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You know what would be nice? If we could store a certain number of items into the Pokébank...well I guess in a way we can as we can attach them to the stored Pokémon... |
Seems that way, of course though we're only assuming what their options were and out of all the ones we can think of this is the fastest and quickest way to transfer, and possible even the only feasible one for all we know. And who knows Perhaps PokéBank could have things we don't know yet which would make it more attractive to get for a full year.
You know had Gf done this cloud back when they thought of it (Crystal days) one would've been able to trade between Gen's II and III...well better now IV generations later to link Gen V and Gen VI than having nothing again. Seems that way, of course though we're only assuming what their options were and out of all the ones we can think of this is the fastest and quickest way to transfer, and possible even the only feasible one for all we know. And who knows Perhaps PokéBank could have things we don't know yet which would make it more attractive to get for a full year. You know had Gf done this cloud back when they thought of it (Crystal days) one would've been able to trade between Gen's II and III...well better now IV generations later to link Gen V and Gen VI than having nothing again. |
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The old system of transferring Pokémon was horrible and I'm sure that, if they could, they would've already implemented this in older gens. Also, this cloud storage system will host files from Pokémon players all around the world. That's similar to general purpose cloud storage systems like Dropbox, Skydrive and MEGA. While all of those are free to use, their free storage capacity is often inferior to what you need (except for MEGA which offers 50GB; then again, it's run by the shady Kim Dotcom). Because of the size of the project, they must charge some money to maintain it somehow, and they're giving you 100 boxes to store Pokémon in. That's more than you'll ever need. $5 a year is actually very cheap considering what they're offering. In the past, many people needed to buy a second copy of a Pokémon game to store rare Pokémon, and that cost full retail price. Finally, I'm pretty sure this was the most reasonable idea they could've gone with, because of the possibility that, if leaked, stray Pokémon files may lead to the creation of hacks. 6th gen won't be entirely free from hacks because 5th gen is vulnerable to them, unless GF has figured a way to flag Pokémon created with PokéGen or adulterated with Action Replay as illegal. Nintendo would never allow them to use the SD card for Pokémon storage, since the files could be decrypted and leaked, and SD cards can only store so much data (the biggest current one is 64GB, which is a grain of sand compared to the possible storage capacity of a cloud server). |
I just noticed apparently, you have to PAY for pokebank? So again, people who can't afford it, are screwed. Especially since, all most people are going to use it for, are trade-ups, and once that's over, well you just wasted your money. And what happens to your pokemon if this 'year' runs out, and you don't pay again? Do you lose all your hard-earned pokemon?
Subscriptions. Destroy. Games. As for this SD card thing, I've already got plenty on it, but still 5GBs free. Photos don't take up much space, and most song files aren't ridiculously huge either. And unless someone is buying every single game they have through the eShop, there will always be plenty of space, but first you still need the SD card. @Cerberus. I don't see your point there. Buying a better system isn't paying to trade, it's paying to play the games you like. I have an old, old, old, old, busted DSlite that helps with trading. I got a new system BECAUSE it was busted, but it still lets me trade for free. The broken bit is the top screen, half of it is dead, but I can see enough to know what I'm doing, and the entire trading process is on the bottom screen. |
They haven't said what will happen yet, but likely it'll prevent one from transfering in or out Pokémon.
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Will they be nice and keep them until you find a way to pay? Will all those pokemon get tossed out like garbage? Or will they plop them down on the GTS for other trainers to get? |
I think it's a great idea. Still waiting for more details to come out to see how worth while it really is. So far the only concerns I have are purchase, if you can use this with the hard copy of the X an Y Games and how reliable the service is (No Wifi, No Pokemon).
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I'm guessing they'll keep them for awhile...and if on retrieved after a certain date then deletion or GTS giveaway could be done...
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Then tell me this - With all the added features, how large do you think a pkm file would be?
Right now, a gen 5 pkm file? 136 bytes. Run the math, see how many to a single MB, and you'll see that your arguement about having to constantly get new sd cards to hold them is foolish. Say the files jumped to 1 kb in size - Increasing their size ten times over. 1024 to a mb. 1024 mb to a gb. So over a million pkm files could be stored at that size on a single gb. Ten times not large enough for ya? Al right. Twenty. 2 KB per. Still over half a million. More you say? Right, heres's a really big jump... 256 kb per pkm file. Just over four thousand to a 1 gb card. So your argument about the sd card not being able to hold a whole lot of pokemon due to size increases? As I've stated, shown, and as you ignored many times... A SD card has plenty of space to hold pokemon id data. And as for the box amount? That amount can be expanded, easily. The 3DS cartridge has more then enough capacity to allow for such a expansion. The amount they code into the game is just a limit, one they could have easily increased. The issue isn't that they are charging for storage, but they are charging for the ability to trade certain pokemon. This is the issue - That they are requiring you to pay a yearly fee to be access one type of trade. Ask yourself this... How long before they expand this, how long before they decide that 'Hey, they thought us charging for this type of trade was a good idea, so lets charge for all of them!' Do I dislike, no, hate this 'feature'? Yes. But thats not the real reason for my rant against it. It's the fear that they will expand this yearly fee to encompass all trades. And this is something that we should all be afraid of. Your all ignoring the main point - That they are effectively requiring you to pay for the ability to trade. |
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Don't give them ideas.. Having to buy the best pokemon.... Pokemon would officially die. And that last bit is a good point. I have satellite internet, which is shoddy on its own, but especially horrible when there's storms. And I live in kansas, the state of storms. It's almost like Link, playing Song of Storms whenever the hell he feels like it.... I digress... What might happen should, say...mid transfer, your connection cuts out? Will that corrupt your data, will it corrupt your bank? Will your pokemon be lost forever? But, I don't get why it wouldn't work with the Hard Copies....I mean, that would shut out, at least half, if not more, of their consumers. I'm quite sure the majority of gamers who are getting pokemon, pre-ordered hard copies, or plan to get them in a store, not through the eshop. Also about the nintendo/pokemon account....Would it be the same account you use for the GTS website? Is that where they would store it? I mean, it's actually a good place. They're scrapping dream world, right? That means they'll have all those servers free for use...maybe that's one of the reasons why it's going (aside from the fact that dream world was absolutely horrid. Even people with GOOD internet connections had trouble). They wanted to make room for the Bank maybe? @Mr. X, pretty much yes. Like I said in my previous posts, Subscriptions, of any sort, kill games. And if they do expand this fee. since they'd be covering more trades, wouldn't it likely go up? Trading, is essentially free at this point. You don't even need a second DS/3DS of your own. I've got good friends who would help me out if I didn't have my busted one available..and I'm sure many other people do too. Trading Up pokemon to the next gen is one of the biggest aspects. So much so, that they designed the whole new, poketransfer system, to get from IV to V without the tediousness of trading. People love keeping their old gen pokemon around, because they are like friends, or family, even if just digital creatures. They also trade up so they can start a new game over, or leave the game be until they want to play it again. Or sometimes they just want to trade up and sell it. We're having to pay, for something we could do for free all along. Having to pay, to keep our favorite pokemon around with us. I have at least, four or five prime teams from my older games, and I want them to move up with me. Bring them on my eternal journey through the pokemon world. Why should I have to pay for that? |
Technically it's transfering as a trade means you're giving something to gain something.
Now if they were to ever charge for actual trades...well Gf will be shooting the series into an abyss as trading is a key component of the series... |
Yes, the are requiring you to pay to access some trading features.
TRADING (Capitalized because most of you are ignoring this) between 5th and 6th gen games requires access to Pokemon Bank. Access Pokemon Bank requires you to pay a yearly fee. So yes, they are requiring us to pay a fee for trading. It's limited right now to this one type of trading... But how long before they decide to integrate all trades through the Bank? Remember - Still more then a month left to go before release. Still a lot of information they are playing to the chest... Perhaps other trades require the Bank as well, and they have just released info on this one type to test the waters? To see what peoples opinions are on pay to trade? Sadly though, trading being essential to the series is all the more reason for them to charge for it. More money to be had charging for a essential feature then a unimportant one. |
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The GTS already works by temporarily storing your pokemon on a server, and then storing the other person's pokemon for you to retrieve when yours is traded for. If they simply integrate that into the same system as the Bank, then they could very well charge for it. |
You guys sound like some parody of domino effect theorists... I doubt they'll do that, the fan base will desert in mass numbers...
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This isn't going to be a service just for this gen , and it pretty much guarantees future backwards comparability with new games. I think it's irresponsible for you to keep spouting this nonsense . Especially since your lying!!! No where in the direct it said you had to pay to trade Even transfers are free The only thing you have to pay for is pokebank But I have a thought , what if for each year you subscribe to pokebank you got a special gift such as a special pokebank pokemon statue( kinda like the gold mario from club nintendo) Or limited edition plush toys, or a special pack of pokemon cards? These gifts wouldn't be available unless you sign up for the service. I mean a pack of cards cost $3.99 and a plush doll cost more. So would you consider if they did something like that worth $5 a year lol |
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Another thing -- talking about having friends help you -- if you are one of those people who has several friends who play Pokemon, surely you can share a Pokemon Bank account if you wanted? They said you'd be able to use it with multiple games. What is stopping anyone from sharing the $5 fee across 2 or 3 people, and all using the same account to transfer Pokemon? I still don't think they are charging to really turn a large profit... if they wanted to make money, they could have made it a $1 a month and then $10 for the whole year, and made way more. |
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It's kinda like how using google is free but you have to pay for your Internet to use it |
As long as you are required access to a paid service in order to trade, then yes - They are charging for trades.
I'm just waiting for the announcement that all trades require the bank. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to integrate all trades through the bank since everyone seems to think pay to trade is a good idea. Additionally, a cut storage amount in game. With the bank, and everyone seeming to love the idea, would we really need more then a few boxes in game? Honestly, better ways they could do the bank. Charge by the box. You sign up for the bank, you get 1 box for free. Additional boxes would cost say... .50 a year. This would be better for the average user since instead of paying for space that they will never use, they will only have to pay for the space they need. Additionally, it will allow people to freely trade. |
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Your reasoning makes no sense at all If games like mario ,fire emblem and animal crossing can connect with each other for free of charge why would pokemon the game that pretty much started that trend for nintendo charge you ? Why would you think trading over the GTS or trading period get charged ,you make no sense. I understand your a troll and your just saying stuff like this The only reason I'm bothering responding to you is because I have a very slow work week and I don't have that much to do lol Also I was captain of all my debate teams and I miss discussion like these , so I'm actually enjoying our little back and forth, its fun AND THEY ARE NOT CHARGING FOR TRADES LOL the are charging for storage , and you need to have the service to transfer pokemon Look up the word trading , because I don't think you know what it means |
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I highly doubt they'd require the Pokemon Bank for trade purposes. If they were, it would make sense to announce it during the Pokemon Direct recording, wouldn't it? You're ignoring the fact that as of right now, with all the information that we have, Pokemon Bank is completely OPTIONAL. You don't need it to complete or enjoy the game. You need it if you want to have extra space to store your Pokemon, or if you want to transfer older Pokemon. Neither of those two things are requirements for completing the game. You thinking that trading will now require a subscription service is just you taking what we know and running with it -- maybe let's stop discussing it like it's fact? We don't even know if they removed storage from the games. All they had said was that storage in the game is limited. Well, all of the games have had "limited" storage so far. Once you fill up your PC boxes, you're done. That's a limit. That phrasing doesn't mean that X and Y won't have the same storage capacity in-game as before. |
The GTS, and the other wi-fi utilities aren't on the cloud so they won't be charged...that's just crazy...
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I doubt we'll get 150 + new Pokemon again, but those who want a shiny of each and a normal one could use that space...especially if they also want a Pokemon in all it's forms.
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Fine they don't charge for trades.
Answer this then - Will I be able to trade from 5th gen to 6th gen, without having to pay $5 a year? No. I won't. Because this trade requires you to pay for the bank service. No matter how you try wording it, they are charging you for the ability to trade between two games that you already own. |
Not to sound too technical here, but technically a trade is when two parties give up something for something else in return. A transfer is to deliver something or someone from Point A to Point B.
As it stands trading is completely free. Transferring on the other hand... |
I don't mind dropping 5 bucks a year for storage.
I might have mentioned this before but, I really hope this service doesn't wind up going belly up . . . |
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Were we charged to trade between gen 4 and Gen 3? No You know why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRADE BETWEEN GENERATIONS!!! ( josh from west wing voice) lol The only generations you were able to trade between was gen 1 and gen 2. And you know what your not even transfering between gen 5 to gen 6. Your simply sending pokemon from your gen 5 game to your pokemon bank. Based on what we know gen 5 and gen 6 doesn't communicate with each other at all ( directly) So your argument is mute |
Pokemon bank will be a great way to transfer pokemon from your multiple game versions.
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All GF has to do is offer 1 free storage space for use in trades between 5th and 6th gen. Thats all they need to do, and the vast majority of complaints about the service will stop.
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Doesn't it? The pokemon you send into the GTS is stored on their server, which is the cloud... It wouldn't be hard to integrate that system into the bank system. |
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I don't think they will lower the number of boxes in X&Y. I think the boxes will be 24 again but you can only store 720 Pokemon, and there are 649 Pokemon now. So, that's why they used the term "limited".. You can't fill your Pokedex without the Bank.
And seriously, you can transfer whole boxes at a time, and once you complete the Pokedex in X&Y, it will be so easy to complete the Pokedex in the next games. I'd rather give 5$/year than having to buy a new 3DS for trades. |
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The other is a service which you personally store a good amount of info and have access anytime you want. Maybe you and your friend should be ペダンチック |
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Me too, Gen V's transfer was annoying, Gen IV's transfer from Gen III was the easiest for those who got the original 3DS or Lite, didn't have to buy another system, or pay for it (though to be fair you only pay a bit). |
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Players seem to think that they're entitled to have all of their old Pokemon with them, and we're really not. It's even happened before in Pokemon. What other video game series allows you to essentially copy progress or achievements from one game to another? In almost every game, you start from scratch. Here, they're giving you a relatively low cost option to easily move your hard work from one game to another. If you don't like it, you are of course, free to start with a blank slate. I just really don't understand why this is such a big deal, especially with the way that almost every other game company is charging outrageous prices for DLC. Quote:
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Has anyone mention what limitations they are gonna put on the bank?
For example the last transfer systems werent accessible until post game, so what to prevent someone to bring in a level 100 pokemon as soon as they buy the game sometime in 2014? |
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that's enough time to get wherever you need to in the game (likely post game) and then transfer everything. There is one more problem I've thought of. What if they do more Gen V events, after the free trial is up? I mean...that'd suck....cause then you can't transfer them for free. |
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I assume since this is a world release they would stop all BW events after the 12th |
I think the shiny creation trio will be the final events for BW/B2W2 and that's it for Gen V.
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I'm not sure yet what I think of this feature. I will definitely get it if it's the only way to transfer pokémon from previous games. I won't mind paying if it's not too high of a fee. I am really hoping this feature unlocks at the start of the game so I can build up my starting team for the main story. I think it would be awesome to have one pokémon from each generation on my team since this is the sixth generation but I'll have to change my plans if this isn't an early game feature.
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I guess it's okay that it's most likely a later release. At least the option will be out there and if I get a game stolen again at least I can have my favorite pokémon safe after this feature comes out. Years ago my Ruby version was stolen and that was horrible. I'll have to just play the game with the new pokémon like everybody else lol. I was hoping to have fun breeding level 1's to play through X but that's not very fair for a first of its kind game anyway. I think I will end up getting this service regardless :) The only thing I worry about is how safe this cloud server will be. I don't want to worry about hackers eventually learning how to get into it and mess things up. Hackers like challenges nowadays. |
I lost a game (Fr) so keeping them somewhere like a cloud would be nice. However I'm also worried about people possibly hacking PokéBank...so I'm not sure where I'll store my favorites
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As for the threat of hacking, it seems funny that a hacker would spend their time to enter Nintendo's data base to steal some young kid's Pokemon (when there are already easier ways to hack Pokemon). But even if a hacker gets into the storage data, it's not like Nintendo won't have back-ups of everything, so they can easily restore anything lost. |
I'm happy about this since it blocks out "cheated" Pokemon! Hack checking ftw!
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However I wonder if it'll also block those hacked in generation IV, especially those that date as far back as Gen III or if those will pass without notice...hope not. |
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They must've improved on the Checksum system from the older gens.
I know they started it with hacked breeding, cause a failed checksum produces a bad egg.... I wonder how much difference there is in the new system. And I wonder how long it will take, before someone figures out the right Checksum and manages to make a perfect hack. |
I don't think they ever will...at least not this generation as the 3DS has updates which are meant to combat hacking and these updates apply to games too, not just the system, so when someone get's close they'll proably change the goal post and so on.
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I wanted to ask:I have a Keldeo which has a special ribbon and therefore cant be offered for trade on the GTS.I will be able to transfer it right?
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The ribbons only prevent trades, not transfers so you should be able to send it over to Kalos when the time comes as Sneaky said :3
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Saying hi to Magmaruby~
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I just realized how much less of a hassle starting a new file will be thanks to the PokéBank. I can just store whatever Pokémon I want to keep from the previous game file into the bank instead of having to do all that tedious trading. Finally.
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Minigame at first wasn't so bad, but when you're doing a mass transfer from Gen IV to V it gets very tiring after couple games.
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My only thing is , that ill most likely have my special pokemon in game so if anything ever happens I guess my pokemon are still gone. But this is better than nothing. I hope they have a feature that lets you back up your save file as well
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I'm of two minds about Pokémon Bank.
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Action Replay, actually works WITH Nintendo, to make sure everything is perfectly compatible. So I'm thinking, what if things used through AR are considered authorized? That could still be a way of getting what you want and avoiding the blockade. |
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You're travelling through Kalos in X & Y and you come across a part where you really stuck as you are severely underlevelled and you can't beat a certain Gym Leader. You then access your Generation V games (Black/White/Black2/White2), attach a load of Rare Candies that were obtained by cheating/hacking to Pokémon and upload them to the Pokémon Bank. In X & Y, you retrieve these items and use them and your Pokémon are now level 1000000000 and can take on anything. To me it just ruins the challenge - I understand that it's a personal thing and whilst this person might go about this method, it doesn't mean I have to, but I like to think that everyone would be in the same boat with these games. That was only point really. |
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I'm the type of person that likes to buy both copies of the Pokémon games, so this should make transferring my Pokémon from these two games much, MUCH easier than in the past. Also, $5 a year is chump change for me.
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$5 a year is nothing in my book. I can't wait for this. Sure, it's a bit disappointing that they decided to charge us for such a thing, but it's not surprising at all. Definitely great they found a way to get previous generation mons' transferred over though, was beginning to get a bit worried.
I'd also have a hard time seeing them banning (legal) hack mons' from the bank. Isn't this bank capability strictly for our own uses and not for trading purposes? It's ultimately for transferring and storing, so whether it's hacked or not, I can't see why that would be banned. Not like this is strictly for competitive uses, right? Totally didn't see that post above. |
I don't know if this was asked or not but I clone Pokemon on Emerald using the cloning glitch, now if I had 3 Dratini that were cloned from 1 Dratini, would they all be allowed in?
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This restriction, I think, will only really depend on how accurate the information is on the hacked Pokemon. It'll probably be the more obvious stuff, such as having a 5th generation Pokemon saying it was caught in Johto for example. Maybe some less obvious things too, but I can't see this getting too too technical. Just my opinion though. |
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The Gen 4 games incompatible with the transfer despite being the same platform as the Gen 5 is maybe due to the fact that the Gen 4 games have no data that allows them to be compatible with any 3ds app. Black 2 and White 2 are compatible with one particular 3DS app(Pokemon Dream Radar) but the original Black and White however don't have any 3DS compatibility. Maybe the 3DS compatibility was already inputed in the games, and so gives the reason why the Gen 5 game cartrige on the 3DS menu looks animated(the Pokeball swinging ever so often) while the Gen 4 titles in the 3DS appear static.
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Was initially excited, but the having to pay part turn me off. So I will just say a big no-no to this Pokemon Bank and Transfer thing.
A noob question though, is this the only way to transfer from 5th gen to 6th gen? |
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An annual fee of $5 is not much at all, it's a very reasonable price when you take into consideration the service and upkeep they have to provide throughout the whole year.
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And yeah items can't be transferred at least in the recent transfers. I do wonder if the Pokémon may gain items if it's a certain species sort of like how in Gen 1 to Gen II transfer some gain certain items irc. |
If you have to pay for this feature, I'll never be able to use it.
Why? To pay for things online you need bank details. I have none, and my mother would say no. She's in charge of all finances until I get a job [unlikely]. So it looks like, for me and everyone else who can't do the money thing, generation 6 will be a fresh start, just like how generation 3 was. |
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Besides, for all we know it might eventually become a free service anyway, or a free alternative may pop up. |
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Flashcard Compatibility with Pokémon Bank/Pokétransporter
Okay, question in regards to the compatibility of Pokémon Bank. Whilst I understand the talking about flashcards might be prohibited, my question doesn't raise any legality issues, however, I'm simply asking a question of what-ifs etc. The announcement of Pokémon Bank and Pokétransporter is an exciting one - we are finally able to play our hard earned Pokémon in full 3D! However, quite recently I've been playing Drayono's amazing hack of Black 2 (called Blaze Black 2) and whilst I have the game already it's fun to play a hack; within this game you are able to catch every single Pokémon in some way or another. My question is: Would the Pokémon Bank/Pokétransporter be compatible with Pokémon games located on a flash card? |
No.
Much like Pokemon Dread Radar, these apps would be completely incompatible with Pokemon games stored on flash cards. |
We're not Serebii, you can discuss this.
It won't happen because the app won't recognize the card. |
Another note is that Pokemon Bank can only transfer legit Pokemon. Any hack game has all of its Pokemon as hacked. Even an R4 device won't read with Bank because it doesn't have the games coding directly in the device. I know of a few exceptions for EMU's and ROM's but PM me if you want to hear them.
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The real reason is the other thing you said: hardware incompability. The flashcart isn't recognized by the app, because it isn't a real cart. |
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But the answer was both a disheartening one, but enlightening one. I myself have been playing Blaze Black 2 and have been catching a plethora of amazing Pokermens ready to transfer over the Pokémon X & Y, but now the only way I am going to be able to do it is to trade them over to my friend's legit copy of the game and then upload them to Pokémon Bank from his copy - the only thing is though is that I would end up with all of his Pokémon on my flashcard as you can't trade something for nothing. :( Any alternatives that you guys can see for me to get around this? :) |
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