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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818205)
Starts 12-25, ends 1-31. So 5 weeks.

I was referring to buying X and Y in time to be able to enjoy the trial before it starts if it is indeed a one time limited deal...

You know what would be nice? If we could store a certain number of items into the Pokébank...well I guess in a way we can as we can attach them to the stored Pokémon...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 9:30 PM

Seems that way, of course though we're only assuming what their options were and out of all the ones we can think of this is the fastest and quickest way to transfer, and possible even the only feasible one for all we know. And who knows Perhaps PokéBank could have things we don't know yet which would make it more attractive to get for a full year.
You know had Gf done this cloud back when they thought of it (Crystal days) one would've been able to trade between Gen's II and III...well better now IV generations later to link Gen V and Gen VI than having nothing again.

Seems that way, of course though we're only assuming what their options were and out of all the ones we can think of this is the fastest and quickest way to transfer, and possible even the only feasible one for all we know. And who knows Perhaps PokéBank could have things we don't know yet which would make it more attractive to get for a full year.
You know had Gf done this cloud back when they thought of it (Crystal days) one would've been able to trade between Gen's II and III...well better now IV generations later to link Gen V and Gen VI than having nothing again.

Cerberus87 September 4th, 2013 9:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818136)
This is what you are ignoring

A person should not have to pay to trade between two games that they already own.

This is my issue with it - I've a dsi. I've a 3ds. I'd copies of black and black 2. And plan to get a copy of X. Why should I have to pay $5 a year to be able to trade from my copy of black 2 to X? Why should I have to pay for what has been a standard feature, the ability to trade from the previous generation to the next?

If they want to make money, I'm not against that. They can charge all they want for wireless trades. But they shouldn't charge for a person just wanting to trade between two games that they own.

Edit - You want a middleman? The 3DS has a SD card slot. Thats your middleman. Trading app starts, you slot in your 5th gen game cartridge and select the pokemon you want to trade over. It's copied to the card, deleted from the cartridge, and you change out the cart for the 6th game cart and then the pokemon's data transfers from the SD card to the cartridge. No need for wireless access at all.

How is having to have two DS systems not paying to transfer between two games you already own? I don't follow your logic...? Because when BW were first released, there was no 3DS. Which meant you had to buy a redundant console just to transfer Pokémon from DPPt to BW. And even the 3DS makes the old DS systems redundant, because the 3DS does everything the DS and the DSi do, but better. The only thing the 3DS doesn't have is a GBA slot.

The old system of transferring Pokémon was horrible and I'm sure that, if they could, they would've already implemented this in older gens. Also, this cloud storage system will host files from Pokémon players all around the world. That's similar to general purpose cloud storage systems like Dropbox, Skydrive and MEGA. While all of those are free to use, their free storage capacity is often inferior to what you need (except for MEGA which offers 50GB; then again, it's run by the shady Kim Dotcom). Because of the size of the project, they must charge some money to maintain it somehow, and they're giving you 100 boxes to store Pokémon in. That's more than you'll ever need. $5 a year is actually very cheap considering what they're offering. In the past, many people needed to buy a second copy of a Pokémon game to store rare Pokémon, and that cost full retail price.

Finally, I'm pretty sure this was the most reasonable idea they could've gone with, because of the possibility that, if leaked, stray Pokémon files may lead to the creation of hacks. 6th gen won't be entirely free from hacks because 5th gen is vulnerable to them, unless GF has figured a way to flag Pokémon created with PokéGen or adulterated with Action Replay as illegal. Nintendo would never allow them to use the SD card for Pokémon storage, since the files could be decrypted and leaked, and SD cards can only store so much data (the biggest current one is 64GB, which is a grain of sand compared to the possible storage capacity of a cloud server).

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 9:42 PM

I just noticed apparently, you have to PAY for pokebank? So again, people who can't afford it, are screwed. Especially since, all most people are going to use it for, are trade-ups, and once that's over, well you just wasted your money. And what happens to your pokemon if this 'year' runs out, and you don't pay again? Do you lose all your hard-earned pokemon?
Subscriptions. Destroy. Games.

As for this SD card thing, I've already got plenty on it, but still 5GBs free. Photos don't take up much space, and most song files aren't ridiculously huge either.
And unless someone is buying every single game they have through the eShop, there will always be plenty of space, but first you still need the SD card.

@Cerberus. I don't see your point there. Buying a better system isn't paying to trade, it's paying to play the games you like.
I have an old, old, old, old, busted DSlite that helps with trading. I got a new system BECAUSE it was busted, but it still lets me trade for free. The broken bit is the top screen, half of it is dead, but I can see enough to know what I'm doing, and the entire trading process is on the bottom screen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 9:51 PM

They haven't said what will happen yet, but likely it'll prevent one from transfering in or out Pokémon.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 9:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7818387)
They haven't said what will happen yet, but likely it'll prevent one from transfering in or out Pokémon.

That's a given, but what'll happen to the pokemon already there?
Will they be nice and keep them until you find a way to pay?
Will all those pokemon get tossed out like garbage?
Or will they plop them down on the GTS for other trainers to get?

TaintedHeart September 4th, 2013 10:04 PM

I think it's a great idea. Still waiting for more details to come out to see how worth while it really is. So far the only concerns I have are purchase, if you can use this with the hard copy of the X an Y Games and how reliable the service is (No Wifi, No Pokemon).

Glad they haven't made Pokemon like Skylanders..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 10:05 PM

I'm guessing they'll keep them for awhile...and if on retrieved after a certain date then deletion or GTS giveaway could be done...

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 10:09 PM

Then tell me this - With all the added features, how large do you think a pkm file would be?

Right now, a gen 5 pkm file? 136 bytes. Run the math, see how many to a single MB, and you'll see that your arguement about having to constantly get new sd cards to hold them is foolish.

Say the files jumped to 1 kb in size - Increasing their size ten times over. 1024 to a mb. 1024 mb to a gb. So over a million pkm files could be stored at that size on a single gb. Ten times not large enough for ya? Al right. Twenty. 2 KB per. Still over half a million. More you say? Right, heres's a really big jump... 256 kb per pkm file. Just over four thousand to a 1 gb card.

So your argument about the sd card not being able to hold a whole lot of pokemon due to size increases? As I've stated, shown, and as you ignored many times... A SD card has plenty of space to hold pokemon id data.

And as for the box amount? That amount can be expanded, easily. The 3DS cartridge has more then enough capacity to allow for such a expansion. The amount they code into the game is just a limit, one they could have easily increased.

The issue isn't that they are charging for storage, but they are charging for the ability to trade certain pokemon. This is the issue - That they are requiring you to pay a yearly fee to be access one type of trade. Ask yourself this... How long before they expand this, how long before they decide that 'Hey, they thought us charging for this type of trade was a good idea, so lets charge for all of them!'

Do I dislike, no, hate this 'feature'? Yes. But thats not the real reason for my rant against it. It's the fear that they will expand this yearly fee to encompass all trades.

And this is something that we should all be afraid of.

Your all ignoring the main point - That they are effectively requiring you to pay for the ability to trade.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TaintedHeart (Post 7818396)
I think it's a great idea. Still waiting for more details to come out to see how worth while it really is. So far the only concerns I have are purchase, if you can use this with the hard copy of the X an Y Games and how reliable the service is (No Wifi, No Pokemon).

Glad they haven't made Pokemon like Skylanders..

Oh god skylanders...
Don't give them ideas..
Having to buy the best pokemon....
Pokemon would officially die.

And that last bit is a good point. I have satellite internet, which is shoddy on its own, but especially horrible when there's storms. And I live in kansas, the state of storms. It's almost like Link, playing Song of Storms whenever the hell he feels like it....
I digress... What might happen should, say...mid transfer, your connection cuts out? Will that corrupt your data, will it corrupt your bank? Will your pokemon be lost forever?
But, I don't get why it wouldn't work with the Hard Copies....I mean, that would shut out, at least half, if not more, of their consumers. I'm quite sure the majority of gamers who are getting pokemon, pre-ordered hard copies, or plan to get them in a store, not through the eshop.

Also about the nintendo/pokemon account....Would it be the same account you use for the GTS website? Is that where they would store it? I mean, it's actually a good place. They're scrapping dream world, right? That means they'll have all those servers free for use...maybe that's one of the reasons why it's going (aside from the fact that dream world was absolutely horrid. Even people with GOOD internet connections had trouble). They wanted to make room for the Bank maybe?

@Mr. X, pretty much yes. Like I said in my previous posts, Subscriptions, of any sort, kill games. And if they do expand this fee. since they'd be covering more trades, wouldn't it likely go up?
Trading, is essentially free at this point. You don't even need a second DS/3DS of your own. I've got good friends who would help me out if I didn't have my busted one available..and I'm sure many other people do too. Trading Up pokemon to the next gen is one of the biggest aspects. So much so, that they designed the whole new, poketransfer system, to get from IV to V without the tediousness of trading. People love keeping their old gen pokemon around, because they are like friends, or family, even if just digital creatures.
They also trade up so they can start a new game over, or leave the game be until they want to play it again. Or sometimes they just want to trade up and sell it. We're having to pay, for something we could do for free all along. Having to pay, to keep our favorite pokemon around with us. I have at least, four or five prime teams from my older games, and I want them to move up with me. Bring them on my eternal journey through the pokemon world. Why should I have to pay for that?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 10:18 PM

Technically it's transfering as a trade means you're giving something to gain something.

Now if they were to ever charge for actual trades...well Gf will be shooting the series into an abyss as trading is a key component of the series...

Mr. X September 4th, 2013 10:30 PM

Yes, the are requiring you to pay to access some trading features.

TRADING (Capitalized because most of you are ignoring this) between 5th and 6th gen games requires access to Pokemon Bank.

Access Pokemon Bank requires you to pay a yearly fee.

So yes, they are requiring us to pay a fee for trading. It's limited right now to this one type of trading... But how long before they decide to integrate all trades through the Bank?

Remember - Still more then a month left to go before release. Still a lot of information they are playing to the chest... Perhaps other trades require the Bank as well, and they have just released info on this one type to test the waters? To see what peoples opinions are on pay to trade?

Sadly though, trading being essential to the series is all the more reason for them to charge for it. More money to be had charging for a essential feature then a unimportant one.

DamienHelvian September 4th, 2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818422)
Yes, the are requiring you to pay to access some trading features.

TRADING (Capitalized because most of you are ignoring this) between 5th and 6th gen games requires access to Pokemon Bank.

Access Pokemon Bank requires you to pay a yearly fee.

So yes, they are requiring us to pay a fee for trading. It's limited right now to this one type of trading... But how long before they decide to integrate all trades through the Bank?

Remember - Still more then a month left to go before release. Still a lot of information they are playing to the chest... Perhaps other trades require the Bank as well, and they have just released info on this one type to test the waters? To see what peoples opinions are on pay to trade?

Sadly though, trading being essential to the series is all the more reason for them to charge for it. More money to be had charging for a essential feature then a unimportant one.

Another good point.... What if they're going to charge for the GTS trading? (They couldn't possibly charge for Union room trading, or Wi-Fi friend trading, i mean that would just be horrid)
The GTS already works by temporarily storing your pokemon on a server, and then storing the other person's pokemon for you to retrieve when yours is traded for.
If they simply integrate that into the same system as the Bank, then they could very well charge for it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 4th, 2013 10:41 PM

You guys sound like some parody of domino effect theorists... I doubt they'll do that, the fan base will desert in mass numbers...

Cerberus87 September 4th, 2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818422)
Yes, the are requiring you to pay to access some trading features.

TRADING (Capitalized because most of you are ignoring this) between 5th and 6th gen games requires access to Pokemon Bank.

Access Pokemon Bank requires you to pay a yearly fee.

So yes, they are requiring us to pay a fee for trading. It's limited right now to this one type of trading... But how long before they decide to integrate all trades through the Bank?

Remember - Still more then a month left to go before release. Still a lot of information they are playing to the chest... Perhaps other trades require the Bank as well, and they have just released info on this one type to test the waters? To see what peoples opinions are on pay to trade?

Sadly though, trading being essential to the series is all the more reason for them to charge for it. More money to be had charging for a essential feature then a unimportant one.

Mate it's not trading... It's transferring. You can't trade from 6th to 5th. Transfer is a one way deal, unlike trades.

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7818403)
Then tell me this - With all the added features, how large do you think a pkm file would be?

Right now, a gen 5 pkm file? 136 bytes. Run the math, see how many to a single MB, and you'll see that your arguement about having to constantly get new sd cards to hold them is foolish.

Say the files jumped to 1 kb in size - Increasing their size ten times over. 1024 to a mb. 1024 mb to a gb. So over a million pkm files could be stored at that size on a single gb. Ten times not large enough for ya? Al right. Twenty. 2 KB per. Still over half a million. More you say? Right, heres's a really big jump... 256 kb per pkm file. Just over four thousand to a 1 gb card.

So your argument about the sd card not being able to hold a whole lot of pokemon due to size increases? As I've stated, shown, and as you ignored many times... A SD card has plenty of space to hold pokemon id data.

And as for the box amount? That amount can be expanded, easily. The 3DS cartridge has more then enough capacity to allow for such a expansion. The amount they code into the game is just a limit, one they could have easily increased.

The issue isn't that they are charging for storage, but they are charging for the ability to trade certain pokemon. This is the issue - That they are requiring you to pay a yearly fee to be access one type of trade. Ask yourself this... How long before they expand this, how long before they decide that 'Hey, they thought us charging for this type of trade was a good idea, so lets charge for all of them!'

Do I dislike, no, hate this 'feature'? Yes. But thats not the real reason for my rant against it. It's the fear that they will expand this yearly fee to encompass all trades.

And this is something that we should all be afraid of.

Your all ignoring the main point - That they are effectively requiring you to pay for the ability to trade.

That's the stupidest reasoning to come up with, it's just dumb you know , I know it everyone here knows it.
This isn't going to be a service just for this gen , and it pretty much guarantees future backwards comparability with new games.

I think it's irresponsible for you to keep spouting this nonsense .

Especially since your lying!!!
No where in the direct it said you had to pay to trade
Even transfers are free
The only thing you have to pay for is pokebank



But I have a thought , what if for each year you subscribe to pokebank you got a special gift such as a special pokebank pokemon statue( kinda like the gold mario from club nintendo)
Or limited edition plush toys, or a special pack of pokemon cards?
These gifts wouldn't be available unless you sign up for the service.
I mean a pack of cards cost $3.99 and a plush doll cost more. So would you consider if they did something like that worth $5 a year lol

JayTheKing September 5th, 2013 5:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7818744)
That's the stupidest reasoning to come up with, it's just dumb you know , I know it everyone here knows it.
This isn't going to be a service just for this gen , and it pretty much guarantees future backwards comparability with new games.

I think it's irresponsible for you to keep spouting this nonsense .

Especially since your lying!!!
No where in the direct it said you had to pay to trade
Even transfers are free
The only thing you have to pay for is pokebank



But I have a thought , what if for each year you subscribe to pokebank you got a special gift such as a special pokebank pokemon statue( kinda like the gold mario from club nintendo)
Or limited edition plush toys, or a special pack of pokemon cards?
These gifts wouldn't be available unless you sign up for the service.
I mean a pack of cards cost $3.99 and a plush doll cost more. So would you consider if they did something like that worth $5 a year lol

Transfer will be free for a limited time only for the trial of the bank.Then you will have to pay to access them.

atomtanned September 5th, 2013 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7818407)
Trading, is essentially free at this point. You don't even need a second DS/3DS of your own. I've got good friends who would help me out if I didn't have my busted one available..and I'm sure many other people do too.

I don't know, I think you're wrong there. I don't have anyone to help me trade with. None of my friends play Pokemon, in fact I don't know a single one who owns a DS. The most recent time I had a friend close by who had a GameBoy was a GameBoy Advance! I understand why people are upset at the general idea of paying for this online service, but for me this is a great option. I would much rather pay $5 a year now than have to get another 3DS in the future for transfers... because for me, that has been the only option up until now.

Another thing -- talking about having friends help you -- if you are one of those people who has several friends who play Pokemon, surely you can share a Pokemon Bank account if you wanted? They said you'd be able to use it with multiple games. What is stopping anyone from sharing the $5 fee across 2 or 3 people, and all using the same account to transfer Pokemon?

I still don't think they are charging to really turn a large profit... if they wanted to make money, they could have made it a $1 a month and then $10 for the whole year, and made way more.

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7818754)
Transfer will be free for a limited time only for the trial of the bank.Then you will have to pay to access them.

True but your not paying for the poketransfer your paying for pokemon bank.
It's kinda like how using google is free but you have to pay for your Internet to use it

Mr. X September 5th, 2013 10:57 AM

As long as you are required access to a paid service in order to trade, then yes - They are charging for trades.

I'm just waiting for the announcement that all trades require the bank. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to integrate all trades through the bank since everyone seems to think pay to trade is a good idea.

Additionally, a cut storage amount in game. With the bank, and everyone seeming to love the idea, would we really need more then a few boxes in game?

Honestly, better ways they could do the bank. Charge by the box. You sign up for the bank, you get 1 box for free. Additional boxes would cost say... .50 a year. This would be better for the average user since instead of paying for space that they will never use, they will only have to pay for the space they need. Additionally, it will allow people to freely trade.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819102)
As long as you are required access to a paid service in order to trade, then yes - They are charging for trades.

I'm just waiting for the announcement that all trades require the bank. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to integrate all trades through the bank since everyone seems to think pay to trade is a good idea.

Additionally, a cut storage amount in game. With the bank, and everyone seeming to love the idea, would we really need more then a few boxes in game?

Honestly, better ways they could do the bank. Charge by the box. You sign up for the bank, you get 1 box for free. Additional boxes would cost say... .50 a year. This would be better for the average user since instead of paying for space that they will never use, they will only have to pay for the space they need. Additionally, it will allow people to freely trade.

Or they could've done 5 cents per box as there's 100 boxes, people would proably not really mind paying such a little bit a year for an extra box, and add more as time goes by.

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819102)
As long as you are required access to a paid service in order to trade, then yes - They are charging for trades.

I'm just waiting for the announcement that all trades require the bank. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to integrate all trades through the bank since everyone seems to think pay to trade is a good idea.

Additionally, a cut storage amount in game. With the bank, and everyone seeming to love the idea, would we really need more then a few boxes in game?

Honestly, better ways they could do the bank. Charge by the box. You sign up for the bank, you get 1 box for free. Additional boxes would cost say... .50 a year. This would be better for the average user since instead of paying for space that they will never use, they will only have to pay for the space they need. Additionally, it will allow people to freely trade.

Your a troll
Your reasoning makes no sense at all
If games like mario ,fire emblem and animal crossing can connect with each other for free of charge why would pokemon the game that pretty much started that trend for nintendo charge you ?

Why would you think trading over the GTS or trading period get charged ,you make no sense.

I understand your a troll and your just saying stuff like this
The only reason I'm bothering responding to you is because I have a very slow work week and I don't have that much to do lol
Also I was captain of all my debate teams and I miss discussion like these , so I'm actually enjoying our little back and forth, its fun

AND THEY ARE NOT CHARGING FOR TRADES LOL
the are charging for storage , and you need to have the service to transfer pokemon

Look up the word trading , because I don't think you know what it means

atomtanned September 5th, 2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819102)
As long as you are required access to a paid service in order to trade, then yes - They are charging for trades.

I'm just waiting for the announcement that all trades require the bank. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided to integrate all trades through the bank since everyone seems to think pay to trade is a good idea.

Additionally, a cut storage amount in game. With the bank, and everyone seeming to love the idea, would we really need more then a few boxes in game?

Let's not get crazy here. They are requiring payment for the storage system, and have facilitated transfer from a previous generation of games through that storage system. This doesn't seem wholly unreasonable, because as we know from the past, the Pokemon games have not always been backwards compatible, especially when large changes take place. It also is NOT paying for trading. Paying for trading would imply a charge for exchanging Pokemon back and forth, a charge for each exchange. The transfer feature is a one-time movement from an older game and apparently can include boxes of Pokemon at once. A little different.

I highly doubt they'd require the Pokemon Bank for trade purposes. If they were, it would make sense to announce it during the Pokemon Direct recording, wouldn't it? You're ignoring the fact that as of right now, with all the information that we have, Pokemon Bank is completely OPTIONAL. You don't need it to complete or enjoy the game. You need it if you want to have extra space to store your Pokemon, or if you want to transfer older Pokemon. Neither of those two things are requirements for completing the game. You thinking that trading will now require a subscription service is just you taking what we know and running with it -- maybe let's stop discussing it like it's fact?

We don't even know if they removed storage from the games. All they had said was that storage in the game is limited. Well, all of the games have had "limited" storage so far. Once you fill up your PC boxes, you're done. That's a limit. That phrasing doesn't mean that X and Y won't have the same storage capacity in-game as before.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 11:21 AM

The GTS, and the other wi-fi utilities aren't on the cloud so they won't be charged...that's just crazy...

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 7819122)
Let's not get crazy here. They are requiring payment for the storage system, and have facilitated transfer from a previous generation of games through that storage system. This doesn't seem wholly unreasonable, because as we know from the past, the Pokemon games have not always been backwards compatible, especially when large changes take place. It also is NOT paying for trading. Paying for trading would imply a charge for exchanging Pokemon back and forth, a charge for each exchange. The transfer feature is a one-time movement from an older game and apparently can include boxes of Pokemon at once. A little different.

I highly doubt they'd require the Pokemon Bank for trade purposes. If they were, it would make sense to announce it during the Pokemon Direct recording, wouldn't it? You're ignoring the fact that as of right now, with all the information that we have, Pokemon Bank is completely OPTIONAL. You don't need it to complete or enjoy the game. You need it if you want to have extra space to store your Pokemon, or if you want to transfer older Pokemon. Neither of those two things are requirements for completing the game. You thinking that trading will now require a subscription service is just you taking what we know and running with it -- maybe let's stop discussing it like it's fact?

We don't even know if they removed storage from the games. All they had said was that storage in the game is limited. Well, all of the games have had "limited" storage so far. Once you fill up your PC boxes, you're done. That's a limit. That phrasing doesn't mean that X and Y won't have the same storage capacity in-game as before.

I don't think it's because of less space I believe the service is because their are going to be over 700 pokemon and their wouldn't be enough box space for multipul of each pokemon ( shinies, good natures) let alone eggs

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 11:32 AM

I doubt we'll get 150 + new Pokemon again, but those who want a shiny of each and a normal one could use that space...especially if they also want a Pokemon in all it's forms.

Mr. X September 5th, 2013 12:57 PM

Fine they don't charge for trades.

Answer this then - Will I be able to trade from 5th gen to 6th gen, without having to pay $5 a year?

No. I won't. Because this trade requires you to pay for the bank service.

No matter how you try wording it, they are charging you for the ability to trade between two games that you already own.

Guy September 5th, 2013 1:02 PM

Not to sound too technical here, but technically a trade is when two parties give up something for something else in return. A transfer is to deliver something or someone from Point A to Point B.

As it stands trading is completely free. Transferring on the other hand...

Name September 5th, 2013 1:14 PM

I don't mind dropping 5 bucks a year for storage.
I might have mentioned this before but, I really hope this service doesn't wind up going belly up . . .

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 1:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819258)
Fine they don't charge for trades.

Answer this then - Will I be able to trade from 5th gen to 6th gen, without having to pay $5 a year?

No. I won't. Because this trade requires you to pay for the bank service.

No matter how you try wording it, they are charging you for the ability to trade between two games that you already own.

Well tell me this were we charged to trade between gen 5 to gen 4? No
Were we charged to trade between gen 4 and Gen 3? No

You know why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TRADE BETWEEN GENERATIONS!!! ( josh from west wing voice) lol

The only generations you were able to trade between was gen 1 and gen 2.

And you know what your not even transfering between gen 5 to gen 6.
Your simply sending pokemon from your gen 5 game to your pokemon bank.
Based on what we know gen 5 and gen 6 doesn't communicate with each other at all ( directly)

So your argument is mute

Omicron September 5th, 2013 1:22 PM

Pokemon bank will be a great way to transfer pokemon from your multiple game versions.

Mr. X September 5th, 2013 1:27 PM

All GF has to do is offer 1 free storage space for use in trades between 5th and 6th gen. Thats all they need to do, and the vast majority of complaints about the service will stop.

Will they? Doubt it.

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819302)
All GF has to do is offer 1 free storage space for use in trades between 5th and 6th gen. Thats all they need to do, and the vast majority of complaints about the service will stop.

Will they? Doubt it.

Unfortunaly there is no way for us to trade to between gen 5 or gen 6

DamienHelvian September 5th, 2013 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7819306)
Unfortunaly there is no way for us to trade to between gen 5 or gen 6

Stop being pedantic. He may keep saying trades, but he means transfers.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7819313)
Stop being pedantic. He may keep saying trades, but he means transfers.

Well he keeps saying that maybe they'll eventually charge for other kinds of trades so one has to wonder...

DamienHelvian September 5th, 2013 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7819315)
Well he keeps saying that maybe they'll eventually charge for other kinds of trades so one has to wonder...

Speaking of which, why did you say GTS doesn't happen on the cloud?
Doesn't it? The pokemon you send into the GTS is stored on their server, which is the cloud...
It wouldn't be hard to integrate that system into the bank system.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7819321)
Speaking of which, why did you say GTS doesn't happen on the cloud?
Doesn't it? The pokemon you send into the GTS is stored on their server, which is the cloud...
It wouldn't be hard to integrate that system into the bank system.

I think it's a different kind of server than the one being used for Pokebank, if not then they proably would've made Pokebank earlier in generation IV (for storing of course) as they've had the idea since the end of Gen II.

ilias_ September 5th, 2013 1:55 PM

I don't think they will lower the number of boxes in X&Y. I think the boxes will be 24 again but you can only store 720 Pokemon, and there are 649 Pokemon now. So, that's why they used the term "limited".. You can't fill your Pokedex without the Bank.

And seriously, you can transfer whole boxes at a time, and once you complete the Pokedex in X&Y, it will be so easy to complete the Pokedex in the next games. I'd rather give 5$/year than having to buy a new 3DS for trades.

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 1:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7819313)
Stop being pedantic. He may keep saying trades, but he means transfers.

Stop being naive , he knows the difference and if he didn't he was well informed many times on the thread . I won't call a cat a duck.
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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7819321)
Speaking of which, why did you say GTS doesn't happen on the cloud?
Doesn't it? The pokemon you send into the GTS is stored on their server, which is the cloud...
It wouldn't be hard to integrate that system into the bank system.

Are you seriouse? They are 2 completely different things . One is a public service that acts like a conduit between your game and another.
The other is a service which you personally store a good amount of info and have access anytime you want.
Maybe you and your friend should be ペダンチック

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ilias_ (Post 7819345)
I don't think they will lower the number of boxes in X&Y. I think the boxes will be 24 again but you can only store 720 Pokemon, and there are 649 Pokemon now. So, that's why they used the term "limited".. You can't fill your Pokedex without the Bank.

And seriously, you can transfer whole boxes at a time, and once you complete the Pokedex in X&Y, it will be so easy to complete the Pokedex in the next games. I'd rather give 5$/year than having to buy a new 3DS for trades.

I don't get where people are getting the reduced number of boxes...sounds like a rumor being taken as fact...either that or I missed something (which is possible).

Me too, Gen V's transfer was annoying, Gen IV's transfer from Gen III was the easiest for those who got the original 3DS or Lite, didn't have to buy another system, or pay for it (though to be fair you only pay a bit).

atomtanned September 5th, 2013 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 7819258)
Answer this then - Will I be able to trade from 5th gen to 6th gen, without having to pay $5 a year?

No. I won't. Because this trade requires you to pay for the bank service.

And what I'm saying is, that the ability to transfer between generations isn't a given in Pokemon. Yes, people are annoyed that this is the way that they've come up with to make it available... but isn't it better to have a $5 fee (or use the free trial) to transfer rather than not allowing any transfer at all (like from Gen 2 to Gen 3)? That is my point.

Players seem to think that they're entitled to have all of their old Pokemon with them, and we're really not. It's even happened before in Pokemon. What other video game series allows you to essentially copy progress or achievements from one game to another? In almost every game, you start from scratch.

Here, they're giving you a relatively low cost option to easily move your hard work from one game to another. If you don't like it, you are of course, free to start with a blank slate. I just really don't understand why this is such a big deal, especially with the way that almost every other game company is charging outrageous prices for DLC.

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I don't think they will lower the number of boxes in X&Y. I think the boxes will be 24 again but you can only store 720 Pokemon, and there are 649 Pokemon now. So, that's why they used the term "limited".. You can't fill your Pokedex without the Bank.
I don't even know if we can say that they won't increase the box total. "Limited" just means a finite amount. I think, theoretically, they could expand the Bank to be unlimited, though most people probably won't have more than 1000 Pokemon to put in there right off the bat.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 7819357)
And what I'm saying is, that the ability to transfer between generations isn't a given in Pokemon. Yes, people are annoyed that this is the way that they've come up with to make it available... but isn't it better to have a $5 fee (or use the free trial) to transfer rather than not allowing any transfer at all (like from Gen 2 to Gen 3)? That is my point.

Players seem to think that they're entitled to have all of their old Pokemon with them, and we're really not. It's even happened before in Pokemon. What other video game series allows you to essentially copy progress or achievements from one game to another? In almost every game, you start from scratch.

Here, they're giving you a relatively low cost option to easily move your hard work from one game to another. If you don't like it, you are of course, free to start with a blank slate. I just really don't understand why this is such a big deal, especially with the way that almost every other game company is charging outrageous prices for DLC.

Gracias, Thanks for saying that. I said the same thing before on this thread, we aren't entitled to getting transfers, so we should be glad we were given a method. I think GF did the one month free trial for those who simply want to transfer (well as long as you buy XY in the three or so months before release).

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 2:11 PM

Has anyone mention what limitations they are gonna put on the bank?
For example the last transfer systems werent accessible until post game, so what to prevent someone to bring in a level 100 pokemon as soon as they buy the game sometime in 2014?

DamienHelvian September 5th, 2013 2:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7819365)
Gracias, Thanks for saying that. I said the same thing before on this thread, we aren't entitled to getting transfers, so we should be glad we were given a method. I think GF did the one month free trial for those who simply want to transfer (well as long as you buy XY in the three or so months before release).

One month...
that's enough time to get wherever you need to in the game (likely post game)
and then transfer everything.

There is one more problem I've thought of. What if they do more Gen V events, after the free trial is up? I mean...that'd suck....cause then you can't transfer them for free.

atomtanned September 5th, 2013 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7819389)
There is one more problem I've thought of. What if they do more Gen V events, after the free trial is up? I mean...that'd suck....cause then you can't transfer them for free.

I'd be surprised if they were doing events for a previous generation... but I can't remember, did any Gen IV/V events overlap?

MrGriszell September 5th, 2013 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 7819407)
I'd be surprised if they were doing events for a previous generation... but I can't remember, did any Gen IV/V events overlap?

Yes actually 4 events did manphy and the legendary dogs. But that was because BW came out in Japan in September and the US 6 months later

I assume since this is a world release they would stop all BW events after the 12th

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 3:04 PM

I think the shiny creation trio will be the final events for BW/B2W2 and that's it for Gen V.

Lyberty September 5th, 2013 4:36 PM

I'm not sure yet what I think of this feature. I will definitely get it if it's the only way to transfer pokémon from previous games. I won't mind paying if it's not too high of a fee. I am really hoping this feature unlocks at the start of the game so I can build up my starting team for the main story. I think it would be awesome to have one pokémon from each generation on my team since this is the sixth generation but I'll have to change my plans if this isn't an early game feature.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyberty (Post 7819564)
I'm not sure yet what I think of this feature. I will definitely get it if it's the only way to transfer pokémon from previous games. I won't mind paying if it's not too high of a fee. I am really hoping this feature unlocks at the start of the game so I can build up my starting team for the main story. I think it would be awesome to have one pokémon from each generation on my team since this is the sixth generation but I'll have to change my plans if this isn't an early game feature.

Well if you're getting the game on October or November, or early December you won't be able to even if it unlocks early as it won't be available until the 25th in Japan and the 27th in the UK. Does anyone know when it'll be released for the US and the rest of the world?

Lyberty September 5th, 2013 4:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7819576)
Well if you're getting the game on October or November, or early December you won't be able to even if it unlocks early as it won't be available until the 25th in Japan and the 27th in the UK. Does anyone know when it'll be released for the US and the rest of the world?


I guess it's okay that it's most likely a later release. At least the option will be out there and if I get a game stolen again at least I can have my favorite pokémon safe after this feature comes out. Years ago my Ruby version was stolen and that was horrible. I'll have to just play the game with the new pokémon like everybody else lol. I was hoping to have fun breeding level 1's to play through X but that's not very fair for a first of its kind game anyway. I think I will end up getting this service regardless :)

The only thing I worry about is how safe this cloud server will be. I don't want to worry about hackers eventually learning how to get into it and mess things up. Hackers like challenges nowadays.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2013 5:19 PM

I lost a game (Fr) so keeping them somewhere like a cloud would be nice. However I'm also worried about people possibly hacking PokéBank...so I'm not sure where I'll store my favorites

Astinus September 5th, 2013 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 7819384)
so what to prevent someone to bring in a level 100 pokemon as soon as they buy the game sometime in 2014?

Badge check system that's already in the game? It seems unlikely that they would remove the badge level limitations on traded Pokemon, and since the OT and number won't match on the Pokemon transferred to X/Y, it won't "obey the trainer" because the player doesn't have the right amount of badges.

As for the threat of hacking, it seems funny that a hacker would spend their time to enter Nintendo's data base to steal some young kid's Pokemon (when there are already easier ways to hack Pokemon). But even if a hacker gets into the storage data, it's not like Nintendo won't have back-ups of everything, so they can easily restore anything lost.

MarioManH September 6th, 2013 2:33 AM

I'm happy about this since it blocks out "cheated" Pokemon! Hack checking ftw!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2013 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 7820068)
I'm happy about this since it blocks out "cheated" Pokemon! Hack checking ftw!

Me too, I detest "cheat" Pokemon with a passion, so knowing that last generation's will mostly (if not all) won't be coming back is nice to see :).

However I wonder if it'll also block those hacked in generation IV, especially those that date as far back as Gen III or if those will pass without notice...hope not.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7820310)
It can if its the same program that banned players using hacked Pokemon in the last Wi-Fi Tournament. I know I can't use three pokemon I got from friends because they were 4th and 3rd gen hacks when using them on Black and White. Couldn't use them even while they were in my battle box and everything.

That's great to hear :D! Now all three previous generations of hacks will be gone now :3

iRyahn September 6th, 2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MarioManH (Post 7820068)
I'm happy about this since it blocks out "cheated" Pokemon! Hack checking ftw!

I'm happy about his too, but sadly there are still 'legit' ways of hacking. For example RNG. I don't consider that crap legit (since you are still using a third party program to better yourself in the game) but the bank check will not recognize it as a hacked Pokemon sadly.

DamienHelvian September 6th, 2013 1:15 PM

They must've improved on the Checksum system from the older gens.
I know they started it with hacked breeding, cause a failed checksum produces a bad egg....
I wonder how much difference there is in the new system.
And I wonder how long it will take, before someone figures out the right Checksum and manages to make a perfect hack.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2013 3:33 PM

I don't think they ever will...at least not this generation as the 3DS has updates which are meant to combat hacking and these updates apply to games too, not just the system, so when someone get's close they'll proably change the goal post and so on.

DamienHelvian September 6th, 2013 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7820864)
I don't think they ever will...at least not this generation as the 3DS has updates which are meant to combat hacking and these updates apply to games too, not just the system, so when someone get's close they'll proably change the goal post and so on.

You do understand that means, every time someone cracks the checksum, they'll have to completely rewrite it, right? That's a very tedious process, and they'll have to do that, for every single new game.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2013 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7820870)
You do understand that means, every time someone cracks the checksum, they'll have to completely rewrite it, right? That's a very tedious process, and they'll have to do that, for every single new game.

Well they're already doing it...with the system, so what's changing one game's code? besides they don't have to rewrite all of it, they can change enough to trip it, and then change it again...I like the idea of trolling with hackers :3

JayTheKing September 7th, 2013 2:37 AM

I wanted to ask:I have a Keldeo which has a special ribbon and therefore cant be offered for trade on the GTS.I will be able to transfer it right?

Sneaky Truth September 7th, 2013 2:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7821601)
I wanted to ask:I have a Keldeo which has a special ribbon and therefore cant be offered for trade on the GTS.I will be able to transfer it right?

Yes, you'll be able to bank any pokemon, regardless if it was received by event.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2013 9:14 AM

The ribbons only prevent trades, not transfers so you should be able to send it over to Kalos when the time comes as Sneaky said :3

Rengoku September 7th, 2013 9:39 AM

Saying hi to Magmaruby~

On the other side I hope they can reconsider being able to transfer from HGSS too... It is such a hassle moving the Pokemon over to BW x.x

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 7822006)
Saying hi to Magmaruby~

On the other side I hope they can reconsider being able to transfer from HGSS too... It is such a hassle moving the Pokemon over to BW x.x

It sure is a hassle, sadly I don't think they'll allow us to transfer from Gen 4 to Gen 6 :(.

Guy September 7th, 2013 12:29 PM

I just realized how much less of a hassle starting a new file will be thanks to the PokéBank. I can just store whatever Pokémon I want to keep from the previous game file into the bank instead of having to do all that tedious trading. Finally.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2013 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis (Post 7822242)
I just realized how much less of a hassle starting a new file will be thanks to the PokéBank. I can just store whatever Pokémon I want to keep from the previous game file into the bank instead of having to do all that tedious trading. Finally.

Yeah, even those like me who don't restart the game as they don't want to lose their precious Pokémon and don't have somewhere to trade to can now reset their games as we can store them into Pokebank :3

Astinus September 7th, 2013 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis (Post 7822242)
I just realized how much less of a hassle starting a new file will be thanks to the PokéBank. I can just store whatever Pokémon I want to keep from the previous game file into the bank instead of having to do all that tedious trading. Finally.

We finally have some option of "multiple save files" like some people have been asking for. Aside from not needing to by another 3DS and a copy of X, this was another reason why I'm excited over Pokemon Bank. I've stopped myself from restarting games because there are a few Pokemon that I want to keep, but it's a hassle to trade them around from game-to-game. With Pokemon Bank, whenever I want to try something different in Y, I can just load any Pokemon I want to keep and have them there waiting for me without any trouble.

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On the other side I hope they can reconsider being able to transfer from HGSS too... It is such a hassle moving the Pokemon over to BW x.x
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It sure is a hassle
I must be the only one who didn't mind the minigame to transfer from Gen 4 to Gen 5.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 7822799)
We finally have some option of "multiple save files" like some people have been asking for. Aside from not needing to by another 3DS and a copy of X, this was another reason why I'm excited over Pokemon Bank. I've stopped myself from restarting games because there are a few Pokemon that I want to keep, but it's a hassle to trade them around from game-to-game. With Pokemon Bank, whenever I want to try something different in Y, I can just load any Pokemon I want to keep and have them there waiting for me without any trouble.



I must be the only one who didn't mind the minigame to transfer from Gen 4 to Gen 5.

The mini game was fine at first, but it got tiring after awhile...at least it allowed us to transfer an unlimited amount in a day unlike the transfer from Gen III to Gen IV.
Btw there's no limit to how long we can transfer our Pokémon correct? Or at least not one that's been established?

FlamingRage September 8th, 2013 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7820310)
It can if its the same program that banned players using hacked Pokemon in the last Wi-Fi Tournament. I know I can't use three pokemon I got from friends because they were 4th and 3rd gen hacks when using them on Black and White. Couldn't use them even while they were in my battle box and everything.

I'm not counting on this new hack check to stop hacks. I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but since mid 2012, I've been playing in all the wifi tournaments with legal hacks and only got excluded from the rankings twice because of ragequitters. Of course it will probably stop the n00b hackers, anyone that knows how to get the right PID can probably continue to cheat.

The only way I would think they could get rid of them is if the unused bytes actually are used and we just didn't know.


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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 7822799)
I must be the only one who didn't mind the minigame to transfer from Gen 4 to Gen 5.

I actually enjoyed it for a while. But transfering twice could take a while and I'll eventually want to play though my gen 5 games again without cutting off kalos from my sinnoh pokemon.

Aeroblast September 8th, 2013 10:17 AM

Minigame at first wasn't so bad, but when you're doing a mass transfer from Gen IV to V it gets very tiring after couple games.

MrGriszell September 8th, 2013 2:33 PM

My only thing is , that ill most likely have my special pokemon in game so if anything ever happens I guess my pokemon are still gone. But this is better than nothing. I hope they have a feature that lets you back up your save file as well

GeckoPutt September 8th, 2013 4:52 PM

I'm of two minds about Pokémon Bank.

Positives:
  • It's amazing how we are able to transfer our hard-earned Pokémon from previous generations to our new 3DS games. Pokémon that we spent hours searching for, then levelling up, and training for certain moves we are now able to use in full 3D.
  • It makes the whole process of transferring A LOT easier. We no longer have to spend ages transferring one Pokémon at a time; not to mention the fact that we can upload as many Pokémon at one time.
  • Longevity. We are now able to keep any Pokémon we catch and use them in any future Pokémon game that comes up. We are now able to use the same Pokémon throughout multiple generations with some much ease - finally being able to have that true connection that Nintendo are yearning us to have with them.

Negatives:
  • The annual fee. Whilst I understand why they are using it, I feel a little overwhelmed at the fact that I now have to pay to use a service that has been a staple of the series since Generation III. The only solace to this is the fact that we have a free trial when it first comes out so that those that want to transfer their Pokémon quickly before the trial ends, they are able to.
  • Hacked Pokémon. Whilst the official Pokémon website has said posted a note about hacked Pokémon as shown here:
    http://i.imgur.com/ewym8ru.png
    There will almost certainly be some that get through somehow. Not to mention that you will have the option to equip hacked items such as Masterballs and Rare Candies to these Pokémon in the Pokémon Bank which makes it easier to catch the legendaries and harder-to-catch Pokémon. The challenge won't be there any more.

Overall, I think it's a good feature that needed to be introduced, it's just a shame that hacked Pokémon will no do doubt get through.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 8th, 2013 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GeckoPutt (Post 7823893)
I'm of two minds about Pokémon Bank.


Positives:
  • It's amazing how we are able to transfer our hard-earned Pokémon from previous generations to our new 3DS games. Pokémon that we spent hours searching for, then levelling up, and training for certain moves we are now able to use in full 3D.
  • It makes the whole process of transferring A LOT easier. We no longer have to spend ages transferring one Pokémon at a time; not to mention the fact that we can upload as many Pokémon at one time.
  • Longevity. We are now able to keep any Pokémon we catch and use them in any future Pokémon game that comes up. We are now able to use the same Pokémon throughout multiple generations with some much ease - finally being able to have that true connection that Nintendo are yearning us to have with them.

Negatives:
  • The annual fee. Whilst I understand why they are using it, I feel a little overwhelmed at the fact that I now have to pay to use a service that has been a staple of the series since Generation III. The only solace to this is the fact that we have a free trial when it first comes out so that those that want to transfer their Pokémon quickly before the trial ends, they are able to.
  • Hacked Pokémon. Whilst the official Pokémon website has said posted a note about hacked Pokémon as shown here:
    http://i.imgur.com/ewym8ru.png
    There will almost certainly be some that get through somehow. Not to mention that you will have the option to equip hacked items such as Masterballs and Rare Candies to these Pokémon in the Pokémon Bank which makes it easier to catch the legendaries and harder-to-catch Pokémon. The challenge won't be there any more.
Overall, I think it's a good feature that needed to be introduced, it's just a shame that hacked Pokémon will no do doubt get through.

At least they're trying to prevent them from coming over to this generation. The last two transfers didn't do anything if I recall correctly to stop them from coming through.

DamienHelvian September 9th, 2013 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GeckoPutt (Post 7823893)
I'm of two minds about Pokémon Bank.

Positives:
  • It's amazing how we are able to transfer our hard-earned Pokémon from previous generations to our new 3DS games. Pokémon that we spent hours searching for, then levelling up, and training for certain moves we are now able to use in full 3D.
  • It makes the whole process of transferring A LOT easier. We no longer have to spend ages transferring one Pokémon at a time; not to mention the fact that we can upload as many Pokémon at one time.
  • Longevity. We are now able to keep any Pokémon we catch and use them in any future Pokémon game that comes up. We are now able to use the same Pokémon throughout multiple generations with some much ease - finally being able to have that true connection that Nintendo are yearning us to have with them.

Negatives:
  • The annual fee. Whilst I understand why they are using it, I feel a little overwhelmed at the fact that I now have to pay to use a service that has been a staple of the series since Generation III. The only solace to this is the fact that we have a free trial when it first comes out so that those that want to transfer their Pokémon quickly before the trial ends, they are able to.
  • Hacked Pokémon. Whilst the official Pokémon website has said posted a note about hacked Pokémon as shown here:
    http://i.imgur.com/ewym8ru.png
    There will almost certainly be some that get through somehow. Not to mention that you will have the option to equip hacked items such as Masterballs and Rare Candies to these Pokémon in the Pokémon Bank which makes it easier to catch the legendaries and harder-to-catch Pokémon. The challenge won't be there any more.

Overall, I think it's a good feature that needed to be introduced, it's just a shame that hacked Pokémon will no do doubt get through.

There is one thing I'd like to point out, that is a possibility.
Action Replay, actually works WITH Nintendo, to make sure everything is perfectly compatible. So I'm thinking, what if things used through AR are considered authorized? That could still be a way of getting what you want and avoiding the blockade.

GeckoPutt September 9th, 2013 4:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7824247)
At least they're trying to prevent them from coming over to this generation. The last two transfers didn't do anything if I recall correctly to stop them from coming through.

Yes, I understand that they are trying and my hats are off to Nintendo for taking this step, however, bringing the Pokémon Bank in to play they will no doubt be reintroducing hacked Pokémon and items again - that was my point. I wasn't blaming Nintendo for that, I was just saying that it is a downside to having Pokémon Bank, a small part of me was hoping that we could just all start fresh with no cheats, hacks etc. But I'm still happy that this is being released I guess. :)

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Originally Posted by DamienHelvian (Post 7824418)
There is one thing I'd like to point out, that is a possibility.
Action Replay, actually works WITH Nintendo, to make sure everything is perfectly compatible. So I'm thinking, what if things used through AR are considered authorized? That could still be a way of getting what you want and avoiding the blockade.

Action Replay words with the 3DS, but it currently doesn't work with 3DS games as far as I'm aware - it'll only work with Nintendo DS/i games. Even so, Action Replays, PokéSavs, PokéGens and other copious amounts of hacks and cheats will allow gamers to bring certain Pokémon and items over from Black/White & Black 2/White thus reducing the challenge in Pokémon X & Y. Let me give you an example.

You're travelling through Kalos in X & Y and you come across a part where you really stuck as you are severely underlevelled and you can't beat a certain Gym Leader. You then access your Generation V games (Black/White/Black2/White2), attach a load of Rare Candies that were obtained by cheating/hacking to Pokémon and upload them to the Pokémon Bank. In X & Y, you retrieve these items and use them and your Pokémon are now level 1000000000 and can take on anything. To me it just ruins the challenge - I understand that it's a personal thing and whilst this person might go about this method, it doesn't mean I have to, but I like to think that everyone would be in the same boat with these games. That was only point really.

Sceptile14 September 9th, 2013 5:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GeckoPutt (Post 7824531)


Yes, I understand that they are trying and my hats are off to Nintendo for taking this step, however, bringing the Pokémon Bank in to play they will no doubt be reintroducing hacked Pokémon and items again - that was my point. I wasn't blaming Nintendo for that, I was just saying that it is a downside to having Pokémon Bank, a small part of me was hoping that we could just all start fresh with no cheats, hacks etc. But I'm still happy that this is being released I guess. :)



Action Replay words with the 3DS, but it currently doesn't work with 3DS games as far as I'm aware - it'll only work with Nintendo DS/i games. Even so, Action Replays, PokéSavs, PokéGens and other copious amounts of hacks and cheats will allow gamers to bring certain Pokémon and items over from Black/White & Black 2/White thus reducing the challenge in Pokémon X & Y. Let me give you an example.

You're travelling through Kalos in X & Y and you come across a part where you really stuck as you are severely underlevelled and you can't beat a certain Gym Leader. You then access your Generation V games (Black/White/Black2/White2), attach a load of Rare Candies that were obtained by cheating/hacking to Pokémon and upload them to the Pokémon Bank. In X & Y, you retrieve these items and use them and your Pokémon are now level 1000000000 and can take on anything. To me it just ruins the challenge - I understand that it's a personal thing and whilst this person might go about this method, it doesn't mean I have to, but I like to think that everyone would be in the same boat with these games. That was only point really.

If you're not going to do it, then that is all that really matters. There is no point in complaining if it doesn't effect your experience. Let other people do what they want. If they want to ruin their experience, let them.

GeckoPutt September 9th, 2013 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sceptile14 (Post 7824559)
If you're not going to do it, then that is all that really matters. There is no point in complaining if it doesn't effect your experience. Let other people do what they want. If they want to ruin their experience, let them.

I understand that, however, I feel that my opinion is still relevant due to how it also means that the connectivity between these games will be altered and affected somewhat as well. It will in turn affect battling, trading and general rarity of certain Pokémon. It's merely an observation by me, rather than a complaint. I am very happy that Pokémon Bank is being included, but I was simply making an observation as this topic requires...

Sceptile14 September 9th, 2013 7:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GeckoPutt (Post 7824566)


I understand that, however, I feel that my opinion is still relevant due to how it also means that the connectivity between these games will be altered and affected somewhat as well. It will in turn affect battling, trading and general rarity of certain Pokémon. It's merely an observation by me, rather than a complaint. I am very happy that Pokémon Bank is being included, but I was simply making an observation as this topic requires...

Good point about the rarity of some Pokemon. Also, i'm not sure if this is true, but I think hacked Pokemon won't be allowed in the game, and will not be allowed in the Bank either. I hope this doesn't mean legal hacks as well(It probably will). Actually, the only reason I used legal hacks was because I hated EV training, and now it has been redone, so maybe I won't need them anyway.

Blade_of_darkness September 9th, 2013 8:39 AM

I'm the type of person that likes to buy both copies of the Pokémon games, so this should make transferring my Pokémon from these two games much, MUCH easier than in the past. Also, $5 a year is chump change for me.

JP September 9th, 2013 9:24 AM

$5 a year is nothing in my book. I can't wait for this. Sure, it's a bit disappointing that they decided to charge us for such a thing, but it's not surprising at all. Definitely great they found a way to get previous generation mons' transferred over though, was beginning to get a bit worried.

I'd also have a hard time seeing them banning (legal) hack mons' from the bank. Isn't this bank capability strictly for our own uses and not for trading purposes? It's ultimately for transferring and storing, so whether it's hacked or not, I can't see why that would be banned. Not like this is strictly for competitive uses, right? Totally didn't see that post above.

Water Gym Leader September 9th, 2013 11:36 AM

I don't know if this was asked or not but I clone Pokemon on Emerald using the cloning glitch, now if I had 3 Dratini that were cloned from 1 Dratini, would they all be allowed in?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Water Gym Leader (Post 7824831)
I don't know if this was asked or not but I clone Pokemon on Emerald using the cloning glitch, now if I had 3 Dratini that were cloned from 1 Dratini, would they all be allowed in?

I'm guessing that they will be allowed as you didn't used any sort of outside unauthorized device in order to clone them.

JP September 9th, 2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Water Gym Leader (Post 7824831)
I don't know if this was asked or not but I clone Pokemon on Emerald using the cloning glitch, now if I had 3 Dratini that were cloned from 1 Dratini, would they all be allowed in?

I would imagine so, if they're simply copies of an already legitimate Pokemon, can't see why the system would deny them.

This restriction, I think, will only really depend on how accurate the information is on the hacked Pokemon. It'll probably be the more obvious stuff, such as having a 5th generation Pokemon saying it was caught in Johto for example. Maybe some less obvious things too, but I can't see this getting too too technical. Just my opinion though.

Roaring Moon September 9th, 2013 9:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7822100)
It sure is a hassle, sadly I don't think they'll allow us to transfer from Gen 4 to Gen 6 :(.

Which I don't get. They're on the same system as the Generation V games, and surely there can't be any technical limitations. Granted, you can transfer them via Generation V, but it would still be nice to be able to do so directly.

Mithel_Celestia September 10th, 2013 3:03 AM

The Gen 4 games incompatible with the transfer despite being the same platform as the Gen 5 is maybe due to the fact that the Gen 4 games have no data that allows them to be compatible with any 3ds app. Black 2 and White 2 are compatible with one particular 3DS app(Pokemon Dream Radar) but the original Black and White however don't have any 3DS compatibility. Maybe the 3DS compatibility was already inputed in the games, and so gives the reason why the Gen 5 game cartrige on the 3DS menu looks animated(the Pokeball swinging ever so often) while the Gen 4 titles in the 3DS appear static.

Seki September 10th, 2013 7:55 AM

Was initially excited, but the having to pay part turn me off. So I will just say a big no-no to this Pokemon Bank and Transfer thing.

A noob question though, is this the only way to transfer from 5th gen to 6th gen?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2013 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SNOR(es)LAX (Post 7826246)
Was initially excited, but the having to pay part turn me off. So I will just say a big no-no to this Pokemon Bank and Transfer thing.

A noob question though, is this the only way to transfer from 5th gen to 6th gen?

Yes it is according to them, at least for now. Likely though they won't come up with anything else so this may very well be the only option this generation.

blue September 10th, 2013 8:05 AM

An annual fee of $5 is not much at all, it's a very reasonable price when you take into consideration the service and upkeep they have to provide throughout the whole year.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 7826367)
Gen 4 games aren't DSi Enhanced games which may be the code used to separate the 4th and 5th gen games, other than that, its simply because of Nintendo only porting one generation backwards. Its like the only thing they do. They don't seem to like to dwell in the past so they only allow one generation back connecting to the current gen console or something.



Gen 4 games can be read by the Radar App to get the legendary Pokemon on there. I doubt that's the reason. Like I said above, they probably used the DSi enhancement as the source to do the port over.



Hacked Pokemon won't be able to get through since it used an outside media device not endorsed by the companies (Neither Gamefreak not Nintendo endorse the Action Replay, both have issued multiple lawsuits against, and neither will reimburse a customer who has had their system or games destroyed by the action replay.)

As for items, you cannot transfer Items forward. At least you haven't been able to as far as I can remember. It and HMs have been a constant block for transfers. Poke Transfer doesn't allow items to be transferred, so that being the last one may be the most relevant.

So neither hacked Pokemon from 5th Gen titles nor cloned items from 5th Gen titles should be able to move forward due to the coding locks in the new transfer system.

So if anything is altered through outside devices, Pokegen, Action Replay, or what ever, the system will not allow them to be brought forward.

The DSi enhanced code makes sense as it's one of the things that actually separate Gen 4 and 5.

And yeah items can't be transferred at least in the recent transfers. I do wonder if the Pokémon may gain items if it's a certain species sort of like how in Gen 1 to Gen II transfer some gain certain items irc.

Lucky1Yena September 10th, 2013 3:16 PM

If you have to pay for this feature, I'll never be able to use it.

Why? To pay for things online you need bank details. I have none, and my mother would say no. She's in charge of all finances until I get a job [unlikely].

So it looks like, for me and everyone else who can't do the money thing, generation 6 will be a fresh start, just like how generation 3 was.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2013 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky1Yena (Post 7826860)
If you have to pay for this feature, I'll never be able to use it.

Why? To pay for things online you need bank details. I have none, and my mother would say no. She's in charge of all finances until I get a job [unlikely].

So it looks like, for me and everyone else who can't do the money thing, generation 6 will be a fresh start, just like how generation 3 was.

Or you could find a friend to help you transfer them...sure it'll take awhile to trade them all to their Gen 5 games and back to your Gen 6 games but in the end it's worth it I think.

Lucky1Yena September 10th, 2013 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7826884)
Or you could find a friend to help you transfer them...sure it'll take awhile to trade them all to their Gen 5 games and back to your Gen 6 games but in the end it's worth it I think.

Can't trust people.

Besides, for all we know it might eventually become a free service anyway, or a free alternative may pop up.

I.T. September 10th, 2013 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucky1Yena (Post 7826860)
If you have to pay for this feature, I'll never be able to use it.

Why? To pay for things online you need bank details. I have none, and my mother would say no. She's in charge of all finances until I get a job [unlikely].

So it looks like, for me and everyone else who can't do the money thing, generation 6 will be a fresh start, just like how generation 3 was.

Maybe they will come up with an alternative option for those who are unable to pay with bank methods. Such as charging you the YEARLY fee through a prepaid Nintendo eShop card. Also assuming the $5 fee rumor is true, they aren't asking much for a yearly charge. I'm sure your mom wouldn't have a problem paying that fee for you once a year?

GeckoPutt September 13th, 2013 11:32 AM

Flashcard Compatibility with Pokémon Bank/Pokétransporter
 
Okay, question in regards to the compatibility of Pokémon Bank.

Whilst I understand the talking about flashcards might be prohibited, my question doesn't raise any legality issues, however, I'm simply asking a question of what-ifs etc.

The announcement of Pokémon Bank and Pokétransporter is an exciting one - we are finally able to play our hard earned Pokémon in full 3D! However, quite recently I've been playing Drayono's amazing hack of Black 2 (called Blaze Black 2) and whilst I have the game already it's fun to play a hack; within this game you are able to catch every single Pokémon in some way or another. My question is:

Would the Pokémon Bank/Pokétransporter be compatible with Pokémon games located on a flash card?

jellotime91 September 13th, 2013 11:48 AM

No.

Much like Pokemon Dread Radar, these apps would be completely incompatible with Pokemon games stored on flash cards.

Cerberus87 September 13th, 2013 11:57 AM

We're not Serebii, you can discuss this.

It won't happen because the app won't recognize the card.

Water Gym Leader September 13th, 2013 12:13 PM

Another note is that Pokemon Bank can only transfer legit Pokemon. Any hack game has all of its Pokemon as hacked. Even an R4 device won't read with Bank because it doesn't have the games coding directly in the device. I know of a few exceptions for EMU's and ROM's but PM me if you want to hear them.

Cerberus87 September 13th, 2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Water Gym Leader (Post 7831443)
Another note is that Pokemon Bank can only transfer legit Pokemon. Any hack game has all of its Pokemon as hacked. Even an R4 device won't read with Bank because it doesn't have the games coding directly in the device. I know of a few exceptions for EMU's and ROM's but PM me if you want to hear them.

Not true. You can access Nintendo WFC with a flashcart and trade the Pokémon on the GTS. You can also freely trade Pokémon caught in a hack as long as the Pokémon aren't modified in any way. So, for example, you could trade Pokémon from the Clean version of BB/VW, although some of them would be considered illegal because of impossible catch locations.

The real reason is the other thing you said: hardware incompability. The flashcart isn't recognized by the app, because it isn't a real cart.

GeckoPutt September 13th, 2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 7831472)
Not true. You can access Nintendo WFC with a flashcart and trade the Pokémon on the GTS. You can also freely trade Pokémon caught in a hack as long as the Pokémon aren't modified in any way. So, for example, you could trade Pokémon from the Clean version of BB/VW, although some of them would be considered illegal because of impossible catch locations.

The real reason is the other thing you said: hardware incompability. The flashcart isn't recognized by the app, because it isn't a real cart.

A very informative answer here! I was going to say the same to you in response to 'Water Gym Leader' - although the Pokémon game itself is a hack, the Pokémon caught in the game are no different from any other Pokémon caught in a genuine copy (unless of course they are found in an area where they aren't usually found etc.)

But the answer was both a disheartening one, but enlightening one. I myself have been playing Blaze Black 2 and have been catching a plethora of amazing Pokermens ready to transfer over the Pokémon X & Y, but now the only way I am going to be able to do it is to trade them over to my friend's legit copy of the game and then upload them to Pokémon Bank from his copy - the only thing is though is that I would end up with all of his Pokémon on my flashcard as you can't trade something for nothing. :(

Any alternatives that you guys can see for me to get around this? :)


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