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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 11:48 AM

Team Flare Discussion and Speculation
 
I noticed there's no longer a thread on the evil team so I decided to make one.
So now we know more about Team Flare. In the latest Corocoro we found out Flare has five scientists, most of which happen to be female. It also appears their goal isn't just to make money but to make the "World Beautiful"

I feel by "Beautiful" they mean to say perfect...which brings to mind Cyrus' goal for his own "perfect world".
I'm guessing the theme of these games will be that our world is imperfect but that's what makes it beautiful or something along those lines.

Discuss. What do you think Team Flare means by "Beautiful" world. Also do you think the scientists will be battling us unlike the Sages of Team Plasma?

Guy September 11th, 2013 12:04 PM

My guess, and I saw someone else mention this too but, I think their means of forming a beautiful world has to do with genetic splicing and creating perfection through the means of science. It would be kind of awesome if the whole reason Mega Evolutions came to exist is because of Team Flare trying to make the world's Pokémon all the more perfect and beautiful. They could have been a group of good scientists gone bad, and now on their own and trying to finance their experiments, they go looking for easy money in Kalos.

Then again, this plot idea is too genius so I doubt GameFreak would do it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis (Post 7828354)
My guess, and I saw someone else mention this too but, I think their means of forming a beautiful world has to do with genetic splicing and creating perfection through the means of science. It would be kind of awesome if the whole reason Mega Evolutions came to exist is because of Team Flare trying to make the world's Pokémon all the more perfect and beautiful. They could have been a group of good scientists gone bad, and now on their own and trying to finance their experiments, they go looking for easy money in Kalos.

Then again, this plot idea is too genius, so I doubt GameFreak would do it.

You know that will practically be Eugenics...which is an interesting theme...which could possibly mean that the evil villains could have perfect IV and Ev Pokemon to reflect that...my goodness if so they'll be tough.

metalhand September 11th, 2013 12:09 PM

Sometimes, one thing that look to us beautiful, is ugly or weird for others.
I really hope that team flare "beautiful world" will be something weird, crazy and destructive, that would be very interesting in my opinion.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by metalhand (Post 7828364)
Sometimes, one thing that look to us beautiful, is ugly or weird for others.
I really hope that team flare "beautiful world" will be something weird, crazy and destructive, that would be very interesting in my opinion.

So true. Cyrus for example thought the perfect Universe was one without Spirit...so I can see them going for crazy. Actually the higher ups could be Pyromaniacs...after all several Pyromaniacs find fire to be beautiful. Maybe they try to burn Kalos down...in a crazy, destructive way...

metalhand September 11th, 2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7828376)
So true. Cyrus for example thought the perfect Universe was one without Spirit...so I can see them going for crazy. Actually the higher ups could be Pyromaniacs...after all several Pyromaniacs find fire to be beautiful. Maybe they try to burn Kalos down...in a crazy, destructive way...

Great idea! It would so cool if to make kalos beautiful they will try to burn it, really want a psycho boss!

BeefTaco September 11th, 2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis (Post 7828354)
My guess, and I saw someone else mention this too but, I think their means of forming a beautiful world has to do with genetic splicing and creating perfection through the means of science. It would be kind of awesome if the whole reason Mega Evolutions came to exist is because of Team Flare trying to make the world's Pokémon all the more perfect and beautiful. They could have been a group of good scientists gone bad, and now on their own and trying to finance their experiments, they go looking for easy money in Kalos.

Then again, this plot idea is too genius so I doubt GameFreak would do it.

or they wanna get rid of ugly pokemon like Stunkfish.

Nah but really genetic engineering would actually make for an interesting plot, still like you said GF may have not look that deeply into it.

metalhand September 11th, 2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BeefTaco (Post 7828387)
or they wanna get rid of ugly pokemon like stunfisk

If thats so, I will lose to the villians on purpose XD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by metalhand (Post 7828394)
If thats so, I will lose to the villians on purpose XD

Lol. Poor Stunfisk...even though I dislike it...I wouldn't want it wiped out...

BeefTaco September 11th, 2013 12:57 PM

I'm interested to see how this team ties in with Xerneas and Yveltal. Xerneas fits the criteria of a Beautiful pokemon, Yveltal not so much and let's not forget about the mysterious third legendary.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 1:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeefTaco (Post 7828455)
I'm interested to see how this team ties in with Xerneas and Yveltal. Xerneas fits the criteria of a Beautiful pokemon, Yveltal not so much and let's not forget about the mysterious third legendary.

Yvetal is beautiful in it's own way. Maybe in Y they'll be more for Destruction and Death=Beauty and in X they could be Mysterious and Majestic= Beauty.

xseed September 11th, 2013 1:25 PM

I still dont get how wanting to be rich and wanting a beutiful world will fit.....maby they are some eviromental hippies or somethng. I dunno.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xseed (Post 7828513)
I still dont get how wanting to be rich and wanting a beutiful world will fit.....maby they are some eviromental hippies or somethng. I dunno.

I'm guessing they beleive in eugentics...certain groups thought the poor were inferior and should be wiped out (real life eugentics was both racist and classist). That's pretty much the only fit I can see...an elitist, perfectionist evil group...
Here's a link for those who don't know what Eugenics is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Jacrad September 11th, 2013 3:09 PM

There is a 'Paris is Burning' pun lurking somewhere in this discussion.

Water Gym Leader September 11th, 2013 3:46 PM

Well, lets take a look at previous villainous teams. Team Aqua and Magma both wanted the perfect world, all water and land respectively. Team Galactic wanted the Perfect universe. Team Plasma wanted to free Pokemon from Trainers creating the perfect world. What ever Team Flare does, it will be dastardly.
Also, Team Flare ruins the G.R.A.M.Ps theory with Prof. Oak and Gary.

Entermaid September 11th, 2013 4:12 PM

I immediately thought of Nazi Germany, though certainly not to the same degree. That is an oppressive authoritarian leader(s), determining what a beautiful society entails. Thus, control of all aspects of other humans' lives. I can see this being a very Utopian-driven organization. Often, such organizations might seek mass-destruction of populations in order to preserve the goodness of the elite. Thus, controlling both a destruction and life pokemon would allow for this group to flourish.

I allude to Hitler given some of his envisioning of what beauty was, whether it is the blue-eyed blonde Aryan race or in his beauty of work/labor ideals, which states that those fit for his society must work in aesthetically pleasing work facilities. Moreover, as stated, he envisioned what he believed a beautiful world was, and worked to see that ideal come into fruition regardless of the effects on others.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenneking (Post 7828760)
I immediately thought of Nazi Germany, though certainly not to the same degree. That is an oppressive authoritarian leader(s), determining what a beautiful society entails. Thus, control of all aspects of other humans' lives. I can see this being a very Utopian-driven organization. Often, such organizations might seek mass-destruction of populations in order to preserve the goodness of the elite. Thus, controlling both a destruction and life pokemon would allow for this group to flourish.

I allude to Hitler given some of his envisioning of what beauty was, whether it is the blue-eyed blonde Aryan race or in his beauty of work/labor ideals, which states that those fit for his society must work in aesthetically pleasing work facilities. Moreover, as stated, he envisioned what he believed a beautiful world was, and worked to see that ideal come into fruition regardless of the effects on others.

I did too...that and Cyrus who was will to commit universal G
genocide to create his ideal universe. Also Hitler was big on Eugenics... and had scientists experoment on people. The Flare scientists could be the same...but with Pokémon.
Controlling Life and Death...that make Flare the most dangerous group after Galactic imo.

Aeroblast September 11th, 2013 8:11 PM

From what's revealed so far, Team Flare looks so generic. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, however, as full details on them hasn't yet been divulged.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2013 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattle (Post 7829081)
From what's revealed so far, Team Flare looks so generic. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, however, as full details on them hasn't yet been divulged.

I find them less generic after today's news (it's still the 11th here). Before this latest issue of Corocoro they came off as only a greedy group. It's good to know there's something else they're after.

XeroNos September 11th, 2013 10:54 PM

Man how the heck can team Flare could create a beautiful World with Fire Types in their team in majority.. Also Team Flare could be well organized as they have 5 scientists. Looking like a Damn Awesome Team in the anime as well. (Who remembers Colress?)

Satoshi Ookami September 11th, 2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alienhunterx (Post 7829189)
Man how the heck can team Flare could create a beautiful World with Fire Types in their team in majority.. Also Team Flare could be well organized as they have 5 scientists. Looking like a Damn Awesome Team in the anime as well. (Who remembers Colress?)

They will burn their ideals to everyone's mind.

Malakai September 12th, 2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash493 (Post 7829239)

They will burn their ideals to everyone's mind.

This is the most perfect thing i've read today. And it makes sense.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 12th, 2013 11:18 AM

I agree, that does make sense. Maybe they can even leave their marking (created by using flames) on the spots they rob initially until their real scheme is revealed

JayTheKing September 13th, 2013 6:04 AM

Am i wrong or is Team Flare's Leader a woman?

Guy September 13th, 2013 6:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTheKing (Post 7830961)
Am i wrong or is Team Flare's Leader a woman?

Four women and a really scary man. Seriously, the dude could give someone nightmares.

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/art/Xerosic-X-and-Y.jpg


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