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X and Y (Behind the name.)
As mentioned on the final portion of this article: (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/19/men-are-from-mars-pokemon-x-and-y-are-from-france) the names have, afterall, been influence by the 3 dimensional axis in geometrics
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This also brings the possibility of version Z a step further. So let me hear your opinion on this below. |
Interesting thoughts on this. One would think that a Z game would be coming soon or X2/Y2 what ever the case maybe
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OH YEAH Z! I'd love Z. Does that mean we also get like a counterpart to Xerneas and Yveltal? Yeah, probably named sorta like Zekrom oh I don't know. :3
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So they were named after Axis after all! I knew it! However GF did a nice player on wo...letters here by adding genetics into these games xD
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I liked the genetic engineering theories, but this is nice too. It is more ambiguous this way so the plot it's more secretive.
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I think genetic theme had way more going for it than the dimensional axis theme. There's really not much they can do with it and now is actually a blatant carbon copy of Black and White as the way that they explain it. X thinking and Y thinking, finding common ground between the two thoughts. Its the same as saying one thinks black and the other thinks white while the two are trying to find a common area to work the differences out.
There are way more genetic themes in the game than directional theme, we can physically change our appearance which is a manipulation of genetics, the Pokemon gain a new form change which is a manipulation of genetics... This theme choice is rather unimaginative. |
I guess Pokemon Z is more possible than ever. :p Then again, they could always pull a "B2/W2" on us or perhaps not even make a 3rd game this time around. Only time will tell. :)
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Yeah, hopefully that won't be true...as it'll also eliminate the chance of sequels... |
Just as how the interviewer thought X chromosome ties in with feminity and Y chromosome ties in with masculinity, the X-axis and Xerneas ties in with flat ground (Geomancy anyone?), and the Y-axis and Yveltal representing the skies.
Has anyone read about how Xerneas and Yveltal may be based off of Norse mythology? Quote:
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Earth itself doesn't have much to do with X or Y axis. Nor has any of the symbolism shown in X and Y have been shown to relate to any Axis other than the consol in which the games are made for (which kinds defeats the purpose as there is a 2DS coming out on the same day and the 2D plane doesn't have an X and Y Axis if I recall. The full functioning symbolism was around it being on the 3DS and we'll have a 2DS to play it on as well so we can play X and Y in 2D only on those.) The 4th Gen Mascots fit the X and Y axis theme way better than the two we currently have. |
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However you're right on the 3DS being the reason for the names. |
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Whilst I get your point about the 4th Gen Mascots fitting the X and Y axis theme well - and I agree somewhat (although I think you're getting confused between your letters, as time is represented by the letter 'W' within scientific purposes) - I think that we need to make sure that we are not making opinions that are baseless considering that the quantity of information on these mascots are sparse at best. |
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There are probably multiple themes and motifs behind XY, many of them already listed. I don't see why we should act as if only of these meanings is correct.
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“The names of X and Y represent the philosophy we had behind the two games,” explained Yoshida. “We’ve taken the idea of X and Y from the geometric X- and Y-axes. They represent two different ways of thought. At the same time, we want to convey a message encouraging people to find a common ground, where X and Y converge.” Basically, as I said before, the thoughts are black and white and they are looking for the grey area where the thoughts meet. Its not so much a scientific or Mathmatic version of using the Axis, but a more social aspect of using them. Its a pretty blatant copy of Gen 5 as far as theme creation is concerned. As for X and Y axis in relation to the legends, X and Y don't specifically measure height and length. They can be used for such things, but they measure space between areas. When you lose the sense of up and down, the Axis are cordial points you can use to balance out (like is you were flying), though it doesn't have to measure how high or how low you go unless your instruments are designed to measure that. They can be used to measure rotation as well. This is where "Space" comes in. The X and Y axis can also be used to measure a time curve and identify anomalies. "Time" and "Dimension" fit there. If we were to draw it on paper, yes it looks like simple up and down, but they don't measure things for that, they measure in a third dimensional aspect which has 360 degrees to move about. The legends themselves have a multitude of suspected origins, none of which relate to the axis, unless you count their body designs. Either way really, we've been thinking about the wrong thing as the "theory of design" was pretty much shoved down our throats. Its a social aspect and way of thinking. Take Team Flare, and this is a shot in the dark based on what I do know, Team Flare has a specific way of thinking. They persue beauty as their main target, what they see as beauty will differ from what the Main Character and what other NPCs may see. Through the game there will be conflicting interests on what beauty is and as you go through, a common ground on what it means to be beautiful may be found. In another way to relate, Pokemon Black and White. Team Plasma's goal to liberate Pokemon because they feel that Pokemon are being mistreated by humans while in their care. N slowly starts to realize that not all humans are as horrible as he originally thought. N would be an (X) aspect while the main protagonist is a (Y) aspect. As the games progress and into B2W2, you help N to realize that his way of thinking was an incorrect way to attack the issue of Pokemon getting harmed. His way of thinking slowly slid across his axis until it met the point where X and Y converge which pretty much ends Pokemon Black and White and leads us into Pokemon Black 2 and White 2, N still not completely convinced about how Pokemon and Humans should be treated but recognizes his mistakes. Other people seem to have been effected the other way, they start to treat their Pokemon with more respect and try to keep natural habitat alone for the most part to try and live in harmony with the Pokemon. This is why I say its a pretty bad copy of Black and White as far as theme goes. They pretty much just told us that our initial ideas on what the theme was was wrong as well. Even if they go with the Axis theme, it was not as we thought it was. |
Well it seems they just wanted to go the lazy way with the story.
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I've always thought the names were based off the X and Y chromosome, since there are mega 'evolution' which represents Theories of Evolution in Biology. Also since Mewtwo has two forms, which could represent the Theory of Divergent Evolution. Would have been a nice concept/theme.
On a side note, that Electrode evolution in the signature of the above poster is quite awesome! |
Well it makes sense, X/Y will be the first main-series game to be in 3D, & this revolves around the axis X (horizontal), Y (vertical) & Z (I can't remember the 3rd name :P) so yeah there will probz be a Z version...
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