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Echidna September 19th, 2013 3:15 PM

Junichi Masuda Confirms That the X&Y Overworld Will be 2D Only
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Junichi Masuda
We really wanted to make the overworld - the field - as beautiful as possible. We could put in a lot of grass and flowers, and try to make them as pretty as possible. When you don't use the 3D effect you are able to render quite a bit more on the 3DS. That's one of the reasons why we wanted to leave it off in the overworld, because it gives us more power to show off more beautiful graphics.
...That plays to the strengths of the 3DS, where you don't require glasses - you don't have to put them on and take them off at certain moments. You can just leave it on and then at certain specific moments, the 3D will come on and it will be more surprising or impactful to the player.

Source: NintendoLife

Well, this is kind of a surprise. I mean sure, this has been speculated about quite a bit, but I never actually thought it could be real.

Personally however, I'm not too disappointed about this. What about you?

EDIT: Ok seems there's been some confusion. The games will still be set in a 3D environment using fully 3D rendered objects instead of sprites. All that this is means is that the 3DS' autostereoscopic 3D feature (3D without glasses) won't be utilized in the overworld. That's it.

Hope that clears things up.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:18 PM

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing...however hopefully it'll mean the framerate for the Overworld will be higher than the battles...

Iceshadow3317 September 19th, 2013 3:20 PM

Can someone explain exactly what overworld means?

Echidna September 19th, 2013 3:21 PM

The map area. As in almost everything except for the battle screen and arguably the menu if it isn't gonna be exclusive to the second screen.

SkyRyder September 19th, 2013 3:23 PM

No, I'm not disappointed at all. The graphics alone are enough for me to be satisfied with. If it means improving the framerate, then I'm all in for it. Graphics are one thing, but efficiency and performance is what's really going to matter in the end.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PEDRO12 (Post 7840516)
The map area. As in almost everything except for the battle screen and arguably the menu if it isn't gonna be exclusive to the second screen.

Basically Kalos will be 2.5 D while Battles will be 3D ...
I'm expecting some cutscenes to be in 3D...or at least I hope so.

Murkrow September 19th, 2013 3:25 PM

to me 3d is just a kind of fluff and only strains eyes...so no i dont really mind

Iceshadow3317 September 19th, 2013 3:27 PM

Still not completely sure what they are talking about, so let me ask this question instead.

While moving your character will it be like the other pokemon games where it is just a little person running around, or will it be similar to Pokemon Colo and XD still?

If it is still similar than Colo and XD, then I do not mind at all. However, if it is like all the other pokemon games like BW/BW2, then I will be a little bit disappointed, but not much.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7840528)
Still not completely sure what they are talking about, so let me ask this question instead.

While moving your character will it be like the other pokemon games where it is just a little person running around, or will it be similar to Pokemon Colo and XD still?

It'll be similar to the other games...so no Pokemon Coloseum like graphics for the overworld.

Spinosaurus September 19th, 2013 3:28 PM

More beautiful graphics my ass, the overworld is pretty meh in general. It lacks detail, lighting, and proper textures. And they're also using blob shadows. The only thing good about it are the character models, which don't have many polygons to begin with. I've seen way more graphically intensive games on the 3DS which can easily use the 3D effect without any performance drops or anything. (See: Kid Icarus Uprising)

It has got to be the frame rate, no doubt about it. But Game Freak always been terrible in the technical department. (Which isn't an excuse in the end when they have the money to hire talents.) Kinda amazing how third parties can utilize the system more than GF who are familiar with handhelds.

I'm extremely disappointed because I generally use the 3D but it's not really a deal breaker. Still a ****ing stupid excuse out of Masuda.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 7840531)
More beautiful graphics my ass, the overworld is pretty meh in general. It lacks detail, lighting, and proper textures. And they're also using blob shadows. The only thing good about it are the character models, which don't have many polygons to begin with. I've seen way more graphically intensive games on the 3DS which can easily use the 3D effect without any performance drops or anything. (See: Kid Icarus Uprising)

It has got to be the frame rate, no doubt about it. But Game Freak always been terrible in the technical department. (Which isn't an excuse in the end when they have the money to hire talents.) Kinda amazing how third parties can utilize the system more than GF who are familiar with handhelds.

I'm extremely disappointed because I generally use the 3D but it's not really a deal breaker. Still a ****ing stupid excuse out of Masuda.

That's true...the games are lacking in the graphics aisle.

Kind of disappointed the overworld isn't going to be 3D...GF delayed Gen V's transition into 3D and yet they still haven't fully got into it...

OmegaTL September 19th, 2013 3:33 PM

Seems a little odd, but I'm not disappointed. I almost always leave the 3D off, but I'm hoping for some nice 3D cutscenes none-the-less.

Iceshadow3317 September 19th, 2013 3:33 PM

Then I am slightly disappointed, but I guess a lot of people who didn't like the idea of 3D will be happy. They could have shown that in the trailers instead of getting everyone's hopes up.

Echidna September 19th, 2013 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7840528)
Still not completely sure what they are talking about, so let me ask this question instead.

While moving your character will it be like the other pokemon games where it is just a little person running around, or will it be similar to Pokemon Colo and XD still?

If it is still similar than Colo and XD, then I do not mind at all. However, if it is like all the other pokemon games like BW/BW2, then I will be a little bit disappointed, but not much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7840530)
It'll be similar to the other games...so no Pokemon Coloseum like graphics for the overworld.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7840536)
Then I am slightly disappointed, but I guess a lot of people who didn't like the idea of 3D will be happy. They could have shown that in the trailers instead of getting everyone's hopes up.


Woah before you freak out, lemme explain. The game will still be in a 3D environment, it's just that the 3D feature (autostereoscopic 3D) won't be utilized in the overworld.
The trailers are accurate, don't worry.

OmegaTL September 19th, 2013 3:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 7840536)
Then I am slightly disappointed, but I guess a lot of people who didn't like the idea of 3D will be happy. They could have shown that in the trailers instead of getting everyone's hopes up.

Yeah, I too am a little annoyed by the trailers making it look like everything was 3D. Oh well.

Iceshadow3317 September 19th, 2013 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PEDRO12 (Post 7840538)
Woah before you freak out, lemme explain. The game will still be in a 3D environment, it's just that the 3D feature (autostereoscopic 3D) won't be utilized in the overworld.
The trailers are accurate, don't worry.

Ah now that clears things up. Then it doesn't bother me one bit. The 3D effect, to make it look like it pops out at you, hurts my eyes anyways and I never use it.

Echidna September 19th, 2013 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaTL (Post 7840540)
Yeah, I too am a little annoyed by the trailers making it look like everything was 3D. Oh well.

Read above, the trailers are accurate. Everything is in 3D.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:41 PM

To me the 3D still feels kind of weak...at least compared to the home console games...

OmegaTL September 19th, 2013 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PEDRO12 (Post 7840542)
Read above, the trailers are accurate. Everything is in 3D.

Maybe I should have worded that better. I meant the trailers caused a lot of people to think Kalos would be playable in 3D mode.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaTL (Post 7840547)
Maybe I should have worded that better. I meant the trailers caused a lot of people to think Kalos would be playable in 3D mode.

Yes they sure did... I was hoping that'll make up for the low framerate but nooooo :(

Echidna September 19th, 2013 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 7840545)
To me the 3D still feels kind of weak...at least compared to the home console games...

I am grateful for that, tbh. I didn't want Pokemon to just take one huge step in-between generations. This more moderate half-step, if you will, is just perfect for Gen 6. This is a discussion for another thread though.
Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaTL (Post 7840547)
Maybe I should have worded that better. I meant the trailers caused a lot of people to think Kalos would be playable in 3D mode.

Ah.

Decimosoma September 19th, 2013 3:54 PM

As long it is 3D environment or three dimensional objects and characters I couldn't care less. I don't use the 3D function anyways.

I.T. September 19th, 2013 4:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decimosoma (Post 7840561)
As long it is 3D environment or three dimensional objects and characters I couldn't care less. I don't use the 3D function anyways.

Same BUT do expect battles to use the 3D functionality though. Could care less about the overworld not supporting the 3D effect.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 19th, 2013 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 7840583)
It's probably just GameFreak not having the chance to fully optimise development for the next Nintendo console. Again.

They just keep on iterating and refining every time. Diamond/Pearl -> Platinum? Refinements galore, plus some crazy use of 3D (Distortion World). Platinum -> HeartGold/SoulSilver? A proper use of the touchscreen and prettier particles. Oh, and much better music samples. HeartGold/SoulSilver -> Black/White? Every single environment is displayed in 3D. Oh, and those wonderful music samples get carried over.

Watch them figure out a way to make the overworld look absolutely stunning and yet, continue to have stereoscopic 3D on in the next set of games. For those who end up getting a 2DS, it's not going to matter eitherway.

Sometimes it feels like they purposefully limit themselves...

I hope you're right though and they do fully stereoscopic 3D this generation (or the next if the rumor of all Pokemon being in the game is true...as it could eliminate the chance of RSE (and possibly RG remake remakes), and even sequels if true...)

Atomic Pirate September 19th, 2013 4:16 PM

This is probably an attempt to make the game better for the target audience, which has, since Generation V, become infants.


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