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Counter that Pokémon
The title says it all. I will post a set on this thread and the next person to post has to post a Pokémon set that is a 100% counter to mine. Your set should not only be able to switch in to any of the opposing Pokémon's move, but also be able to KO it. Try to avoid posting sets that have already been posted so that we don't get stuck in a loop where the same five Pokémon sets are posted over and over again.
Ban List: 1. Ubers 2. Unreleased Dream World moves, abilities and items. 3) OHKO (Sheer Cold, Fissure, etc), Self KO (Explosion, Final Gambit, etc) and Evasion boosting moves (Minimise, Double Team). 4) Shedinja Here's an example of how this works: Quote:
I'll start off with my set. Scizor (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - U-turn - Bullet Punch - Superpower - Pursuit |
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https://i.minus.com/iUrMkNjJYMSCW.gif GOOD LUCK GETTING THROUGH THE WALLLLL. Also remember guys: Definition of a counter: A Pokemon that can switch into the opposing Pokemon with little or no risk, and proceed to threaten a KO. Basically, a counter is the perfect switch-in to a Pokemon. |
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Heatran @ Choice Specs Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed Trait: Flash Fire - Overheat - Earth Power - Hidden Power [Grass] - Dragon Pulse Cofag cannot do anything to this, possibly giving it a flash fire boost too with Wisp. :P In return its swiftly decimated by Overheat. |
Gyarados:
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/130.gif -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Bounce -Substitute Nature: Jolly EVs: 88 HP/248 Atk/4 Def/168 Spe Item: Leftovers Gyarados can come in on whatever Heatran throws out, bar Dragon Pulse, and can either threaten it off the bat with Waterfall or set up a Sub as it switches out, then Dragon Dance from there. |
Ferrothorn
-Iron Defense -Iron Head -Power Whip -Leech Seed/Poison Jab Nature: Bold EVs: 192 HP/252 Def/64 SpD OR SpA Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet This thing can successfully switch in to any of Gyarados' attacks. Bounce is the only regularly effective attack it has, which would hit the massive defense stat, plus take damage from Iron Barbs and potentially Rocky Helmet. Power Whip would take care of the sub, and if Ferrothorn could get a Leech Seed in, all the better. |
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[email protected] 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Speed Modest Nature Trait: Magnet Pull - Substitute - Hidden Power Fire - Flash Cannon - Charge Beam Can switch in with ease and get +6 special attack via charge beam and trapping you and behind sub (so whoever suggests a counter next is p much gonna have to deal with that as its a fact). It then returns the KO with Hidden Power Fire or even resisted hits lol. |
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252 hp / 252 SpDef / 4 SpA Calm Nature Ability: Storm Drain Earth Power Scald Toxic Recover I don't know what pokemon could survive if Magnezone got X4 special attack and was behind a substitute, but I think if there's a pokemon that could do it, it's Gastrodon. Either resisting, or having complete immunity to all of its attacks and dealing super effective damage back. Not to mention the HP recovery. |
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4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature Ability: Technician -Bullet Seed -Mach Punch -Spore -Stone Edge Breloom can come in and OHKO Gastrodon with Bullet Seed. |
Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk Bold Nature - Giga Drain - Hidden Power [Ice] - Focus Blast - Synthesis Tangrowth can take any attack Breloom can dish out with its incredibly high defense, and then strike back with HP Ice. |
Victini:
http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/494.gif -Blue Flare -Focus Blast -Glaciate -Thunderbolt/Thunder Nature: Timid EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe Item: Expert Belt/Life Orb Not only does Victini prey on Tangrowth's terrible Special Defense, but it also walls the entirety of its set. |
Swampert with Leftovers
Adamant Nature EV: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def (Offensive tank in smogon) Scald/Waterfall Earthquake Ice punch Stealth rock/Toxic Takes half damage from Blue flare, no damage from thunderbolt/thunder. Doesn't mind Glaciate as Swampert is already a slow Pokemon. Focus blast is the only possible danger but Swampert should be able to take a hit before countering with Waterfall. Plus Focus blast is as accurate as a blind sniper. |
Celebi w/ Life Orb
Modest nature 60 HP / 252 SpA / 196 Spe ~ Leaf Storm ~ Earth Power ~ Thunder Wave ~ Recover Due to its better-than-average defenses, Celebi can endure tons of attacks. Leaf Storm allows it to take down a variety of OU Pokémon, such as Jellicent, Starmie, Tentacruel, Terrakion, and even Swampert. With Thunder Wave, it's able to cripple up a few of your opponent's strongest Pokémon, such as Scizor, Latios, and Breloom. Recover enables it to keep itself healthy at all times. Finally, with Earth Power, this Pokémon can take down Ninetales, Volcarona, Heatran, and Infernape, who are a few of its major threats. |
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Moltres @ Life Orb / Lum Berry if you really fear paralysis that much Modest 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Speed - Hurricane - Fire Blast - Hidden Power Ground - Agility / Roost 252+ SpA Life Orb Celebi Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 78-91 (24.29 - 28.34%) -- possible 4HKO oh wait SpA drops -2 252+ SpA Life Orb Celebi Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Moltres: 39-45 (12.14 - 14.01%) -- possible 8HKO Fire Blast / Hurricane also says hi regardless of weather. |
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176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Speed Adamant Nature Trait: Sandstream - Stone Edge - Crunch - Pursuit - SuperPower Can switch in on Moltres, take nothing from all your attacks. Even HP Ground in SS does barely anything and easily returns the KO with Stone Edge or Pursuit if you switch. |
Gastrodon
Item: Leftovers EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD Nature: Calm / Sassy Ability: Sand Force ~ Earthquake ~ Scald ~ Toxic ~ Recover Gastrodon resists Tyranitar's Stone Edge, is not weak to its other moves, and can go for the KO with a Sand Force+STAB boosted Earthquake. |
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Anyway: Roserade http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/407.gif -Spikes/Toxic Spikes -Giga Drain -Hidden Power (Fire)/Toxic Spikes -Rest Nature: Calm EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef Item: Black Sludge Ability: Natural Cure Roserade uses its high Special Defense to shrug off Gastrodon's Scalds, though it takes a chunk from Sand Force-boosted EQs. It then threatens Gastrodon with STAB Giga Drain or sets up hazards as it switches out. |
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Anyway: Sigilyph Item: Flame Orb Ability: Magic Guard Nature: Bold ~ Cosmic Power ~ Stored Power ~ Roost ~ Psycho Shift Sigilyph's Magic Guard means that it takes no damage from entry hazards. It also resists Giga Drain and has reliable recovery in Roost. It can set up Cosmic Powers and can hit Roserade with a super-effective Stored Power. |
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252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Sp.Def Calm Nature Trait: Pressure - Rest - Sleep Talk - Bark Out / Shadow Ball - Will-O-Wisp Sigi cant touch it, it then proceeds to get pressure stalled. Bark Out makes special attacker switch ins lol whilst Wisp cripples physical switch ins. |
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Heatran @ Air Balloon Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Hidden Power Grass - Toxic / Stealth Rock / Will-o-Wisp This Heatran completely walls Spiritomb, taking next to nothing from Shadow Ball, laughing at Will-o-Wisp and 2hkoing Tomb with Fire Blast. |
The funny thing is that Spiritomb would actually win versus Heatran barring a crit if it switches into Bark Out, keeping in mind that you are going to get Pressure stalled like nothing else:
-1 Fire Blast vs 252 HP / 112 SpD Tomb: (33.55 - 39.47%) -2 Fire Blast vs 252 HP / 112 SpD Tomb: (25 - 29.6%) -3 Fire Blast vs 252 HP / 112 SpD Tomb: (20.06 - 24.01%) With Leftovers assuming Max damage on all the rolls, Spiritomb is sitting at roughly 26% and is ready to Rest as you fire off your final Fire Blast, and it doesn't have to worry about you absorbing WoW as you have no fire moves to power up. Of course, crits makes everything laughable, but eh. Anyway, another way of dealing with Heatran: http://24.media.tumblr.com/fbf5c1d0d083a03cc8bc17827353d122/tumblr_msl1ziBODI1s29bhho1_500.gif Starmie @ Life Orb Natural Cure Timid 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Speed - Hydro Pump - Thunderbolt / Psyshock - Ice Beam / Recover - Rapid Spin Beats Heatran 80% of the time. |
https://i.minus.com/ibvqoV6iO5PN12.gif 252+ SpA Lanturn Charge Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Starmie: 146-174 (55.93 - 66.66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock Yup. Also, Starmie is a shaky counter to that Heatran, because there's a chance it could get OHKOed by HP Grass after LO recoil and SR damage. Starmie is technically a counter since it forces Heatran out or OHKOes it before fainting due to LO, but it's still not very ideal. |
Garchomp w/ Choice Band
Adamant nature 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe ~ Outrage ~ Earthquake ~ Fire Fang ~ Dragon Claw With Earthquake, Garchomp is able to knock out a variety of fire- and electric-type Pokémon, including Blaziken, Infernape, and Lanturn. Outrage allows it to take out two-three of your opponent's Pokémon in a row. Fire Fang helps it to defeat all ice, steel, bug, and grass-type Pokémon that can usually be found in the OU tier, such as Scizor, Breloom, Metagross, and Abomasnow. And with Dragon Claw, Garchomp is able to stand tall against most other dragon-types. d: |
Garchomp isn't really a counter since if it switches in while Lanturn uses Ice Beam or Sub, then it's toast.
https://i.minus.com/ibfN0woZabAkaT.gif 0 SpA Bronzong Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 192-228 (53.63 - 63.68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock No one said anything about the moveset needing to be good, right??? |
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Anyway, (lol) that Heatran set I posted against Spiritomb can also counter Bronzong, unless Fire Blast misses. http://media.pldh.net/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/485.gif Heatran @ Air Balloon Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Hidden Power Grass - Toxic / Stealth Rock / Will-o-Wisp |
@ Wolf, I guess I could make it a super defensive bulky Starmie, but I couldn't be bothered :x
also finding a bronzong counter this is going to be tough, you want bad movesets, you get them! http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltufzffGBX1r1n5pqo1_500.gif Alomomola @ Leftovers 0 SpA Bronzong Hidden Power Ice vs. 104 HP / 152 SpD Alomomola: 30-35 (6.03 - 7.04%) 0 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (65 BP) vs. 104 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 27-32 (5.43 - 6.43%) IN RETURN: 0 Atk Alomomola Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Bronzong: 45-54 (13.31 - 15.97%) yeah that is not doing a lot BUT with Soak + Toxic and no reliable recovery on Zong, you're pretty much as useless as they come, whereas Alomomola recovers any damage done to it with Regenerator. And thank goodness for that, since after Soak Waterfall does (6.5 - 7.98%) to Bronzong. EDIT: Another way of dealing with Heatran would be posting another Heatran, but that isn't too fun. FATMENCE IS BACK http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3hb1qmGHx1qd87hlo1_500.gif Salamence @ Leftovers Pop that weasel with a Dragon Claw and you've got yourself a 0 Atk Salamence Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 356-420 (110.21 - 130.03%) -- guaranteed OHKO ggggg also @ Crobat: 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Starmie: 174-206 (66.66 - 78.92%) Or, if you want a ridiculous Heatran-specific Starmie set with 52 EV's in Speed and a Calm nature just to ensure it gets the speed jump over Tran; 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Grass vs. 248 HP / 208+ SpD Starmie: 128-152 (39.62 - 47.05%) - Starmie can, in fact, switch into that, and heal off most of the damage done with Recover. Fortunately Starmie doesn't have to deal with a 2HKO, as any set is faster than it. So it works 80% of the time, or a bit more frequently than that depending on your STAB of choice. |
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