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Nakala Pri December 27th, 2014 8:21 PM

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I'm seriously laughing at all this hate for swear filters.
This place is a breeding ground for troubled teens XD

Big ol' shoutout to Peitharchia, Dragon and Wiicked! :D Thanks for being awesome and not infracting me! =D

Oh yes, about a month ago, I noticed in the Your Identity thread (General Chat) there was a pretty inappropriate swear word that got through (a word which used to mean cat) and when I consulted an Admin, he said that the mod has a say in what swear words are allowed. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like swear words, no matter the situation. I hope that the new censors does not let this happen again, but is there a guarantee?

Sydian December 29th, 2014 11:24 PM

I saw the swear censor mess up back when it was like...a day or two into its implementation, so with it being new, there will probably be a few hiccups at some point. For the most part though, it seems to be catching everything (I've left the censor on just to make sure things are going smoothly) so you shouldn't have much to worry about.

Aquacorde December 30th, 2014 12:16 AM

However, not every swear in the book is censored, and not everyone has the same idea of what is and is not a swear. So even with PC's pretty extensive filters, you may still see words that you think are right out of line. The particular word in question, if I'm thinking of the right one, happens to not be censored. vOv can't please em all

gimmepie December 30th, 2014 2:15 AM

Considering things like the censor changes, community events, rule updates etc I feel he need to pipe in and say I'm really happy to see the staff of this community putting such a conscious effort into providing users with the kind of community we want to be apart of and trying to appease as many people as possible.

Keep up the good work guys!

Nihilego December 30th, 2014 2:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Airhead (Post 8553767)
Oh yes, about a month ago, I noticed in the Your Identity thread (General Chat) there was a pretty inappropriate swear word that got through (a word which used to mean cat) and when I consulted an Admin, he said that the mod has a say in what swear words are allowed. Call me old fashioned, but I don't like swear words, no matter the situation.

I think you misinterpreted my reply (and re-reading it I sorta see how you could have). The word that you reported was, and and still is, uncensored. Therefore there is nothing against the rules in posting it and it's up to the mod to handle it depending on context. So it's not so much that mods have a say in what swear words are allowed, but rather a case of they decide if something outside of the swear filter is okay or not (in most cases anyway).

Hope that makes more sense!

Nakala Pri December 30th, 2014 2:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shenanigans (Post 8553952)
I think you misinterpreted my reply (and re-reading it I sorta see how you could have). The word that you reported was, and and still is, uncensored. Therefore there is nothing against the rules in posting it and it's up to the mod to handle it depending on context. So it's not so much that mods have a say in what swear words are allowed, but rather a case of they decide if something outside of the swear filter is okay or not (in most cases anyway).

Hope that makes more sense!

Ooooooooh, I see...

Bit annoyed that the b-word get's censored and that horrible word used among American thugs go's along willy-nilly :) *starts stabbing pillows*

Whatever, at least I found my next campaign. xD

El Héroe Oscuro December 30th, 2014 5:50 AM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 8553938)
Considering things like the censor changes, community events, rule updates etc I feel he need to pipe in and say I'm really happy to see the staff of this community putting such a conscious effort into providing users with the kind of community we want to be apart of and trying to appease as many people as possible.

Keep up the good work guys!

Like seriously though, these last two weeks or so have been filled with update after update on different matters revolving around all aspects of PC culture. It's a little nuts thinking how much has been actively done in such a short period of time (basing it off of general time it takes for things to usually get done on PC.)

Kudos and claps to the Admins and HQ for swiftly deliberating, passing, and coding a lot of these new rules and updates. Trust me when I say also that it's not done there - we've been hearing about a lot of other new stuff that will be updated as well so keep your eyes out for that in the future.

Charlie Brown December 31st, 2014 8:10 PM

Loving the sparkly usernames! It's a nice touch! :3

Dedenne1 January 1st, 2015 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 8557386)
Loving the sparkly usernames! It's a nice touch! :3

Didnt we all?
Whoever implemented them they were very cool and nice job very sparkly for the holidays!

Meganium January 1st, 2015 8:03 PM

I wasn't around much when it happened, but glad to hear y'all loved it. Even I loved the idea as well. <3 Nice treat to end 2014 wasn't it?

Pendraflare January 1st, 2015 8:35 PM

Yeah, when I first saw it on my phone I thought "Is this a glitch or something?" But when I close-up'd on my phone turns out that all the names were shriveled with it, and it was indeed a neat little thing they did.

maccrash January 2nd, 2015 7:20 AM

there's a bunch of shit going on right now and I love it. keep it up. (:

Bearr January 4th, 2015 11:41 AM

Are the mods always mean?
The only one I know is kinda a jerk..

Nihilego January 4th, 2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearr (Post 8565089)
Are the mods always mean?
The only one I know is kinda a jerk..

Usually mods are pretty nice, reasonable people. If you think one's being unfair / rude / etc towards you then I'd recommend you contact a supermod or an admin about it.

Klippy January 4th, 2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearr (Post 8565089)
Are the mods always mean?
The only one I know is kinda a jerk..

No, we are not always mean! Nobody should be mean to you! We're a very welcoming community, but if you feel you have been mistreated, private message an admin or super mod with your complaint and let them know what's up. They'd be happy to look into it for you.

Livewire January 4th, 2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearr (Post 8565089)
Are the mods always mean?
The only one I know is kinda a jerk..

The mods are never supposed to be mean, that's the exact opposite of what we want from the staff on this site. If you want, you can Private Message me the exact details and H-Staff and I can help you out if you're having trouble with a specific staff member.

Bearr January 4th, 2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by shenanigans (Post 8565097)
Usually mods are pretty nice, reasonable people. If you think one's being unfair / rude / etc towards you then I'd recommend you contact a supermod or an admin about it.

No it's fine I didn't know your only aloud to have 1 thread(which is kind of dumb) and the mod told me to stop posting mad bother mods (which I wasn't lol) and wasn't very nice about it. But it's whatever..

JustAnotherIllusion January 4th, 2015 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearr (Post 8565089)
Are the mods always mean?
The only one I know is kinda a jerk..

Most of the Mods I've had dealings with were really nice. Sydian and Axeliira especially have always been really friendly. Maybe you caught him/her on an off day?

Hikamaru January 4th, 2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearr (Post 8565108)
No it's fine I didn't know your only aloud to have 1 thread(which is kind of dumb) and the mod told me to stop posting mad bother mods (which I wasn't lol) and wasn't very nice about it. But it's whatever..

According to this you can only have one thread at a time. You can still ask for the trades via the sticky threads within the same section, which are tailored to specific stuff like legendaries/events, competitive-bred, shinies/items, and also anything that doesn't fit the above categories.

And trust me, the mods here are much friendlier than you think. They're just doing their job and that's what happened in your case. I know that Omicron is deep down a very nice guy and he was just doing what the rules said.

Corvus of the Black Night January 9th, 2015 3:28 PM

This sort of behaviour is not acceptable.

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I don't care if you're offended. You mistook what I said, or was trying to say, as a slight when it wasn't, sooo if you're offended, that's your own fault, lol.
I asked you to apologize. Repeatedly.

I understand that we may disagree on how we approach things, and I'm not going to criticize you for your opinion, and you have every right to it; however, you do not go and call someone a very clear insult and act like it's somehow the other person's fault.

What happened.
Spoiler:


[I write alternate opinion post per usual in D&D to attempt to start discussion in thread, and respond to several posts, one response is quite long.]

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Originally Posted by Livewire (Post 8573116)
My bad, gender equality in the United States is obviously a liberal communist lie because some editorial and opinion pieces from foreign newspapers say they are.

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Originally Posted by daigonite (Post 8573190)
Also, really, "liberal communist lie"? I'm liberal, you leek. I have voted entirely Democratic, bar one individual in one election. But way to go, to show that you basically believe that all the people you disagree with are those naughty conservatives. See kids, this is why you don't make assumptions about people on the internet, because when you're wrong, it's pretty embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by Livewire (Post 8573235)
Please, by all means, continue to put words in my mouth. Please continue to over-react to a sarcastic remark "Liberal communist lie" that evidently you can't recognize as such. I do not believe as such, so I would appreciate it if you would stop resorting to straw men and ad hominem attacks to try and prove a point. But obviously, everyone else's data is flawed and they're all hypocrites, save you.

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Originally Posted by daigonite
"My bad, gender equality in the United States is obviously a liberal communist lie because some editorial and opinion pieces from foreign newspapers say they are."
And what do you think you are implying here?

It's pretty clear that this is intended as an insult. I understand that you disagree with me, and you have every right to, but you're being extremely immature. You are a super moderator, please act like one.

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Originally Posted by livewire
It was not implied as an insult to you, so I'd appreciate it if you would stop arriving at the wrong conclusion for the sake of your argument with me or the thread, or in general.

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Originally Posted by daigonite
There's a saying my mom told me, it goes a little like this.

"If the audience isn't laughing, then maybe your joke wasn't very funny".

Basically, if you say something and people get offended by it, you can't just backpedal and claim, "oh noes, I didn't mean it like that!". The person was already offended. Most people would interpret your statement in a similar manner, and, as you like to label posts you feel break the rules, "noncontributory, disruptive".

[...]

I mean, all I asked you to do was to apologize for being quite rude to me in the thread and you basically played a bunch of mental gymnastics to put it back on my lap. You should take responsibility for your mistakes and move on, that's all I honestly want from you. You can continue to embarrass yourself by getting extremely heated and not taking responsibility for the fact that you maybe made someone a bit annoyed from something, that's your choice and your choice alone.

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Originally Posted by livewire
I don't care if you're offended. You mistook what I said, or was trying to say, as a slight when it wasn't, sooo if you're offended, that's your own fault, lol.

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Originally Posted by daigonite
So I can basically call you whatever I want? Cool! #$%#! $%#$%#$! #$%#$! Wait, why are you upset? I mean, I didn't mean it as a slight. That's your own fault for being offended. lol

See, this is why this doesn't work. It just makes you look like an insufferable jerk.

And it's honestly making you look really, really bad. I understand that you're upset, but this is not an excuse, you are a representative of this site's staff, you can't just act like you can magically pretend things that possibly offended people are suddenly their fault because "oopsie I didn't mean it that way!"

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Originally Posted by livewire
When you're arriving at the wrong conclusion about what I said, despite me saying otherwise, then yeah, I don't really have any compassion for you there if you get offended.



I'm not asking for punishment or anything, but I've noticed that you have gotten too much of your own heated opinion getting in the way of valid judgement. It's pretty clear that you are letting your feelings get the better of your judgement. This is not acceptable and you need to understand that just because you are a super moderator does not mean that it is acceptable to treat people that you disagree with like this.

£ January 9th, 2015 4:26 PM

can't we all just have a group hug and get along

idk D&D get so heated sometimes it's like a furnace and I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing to be passionate and to really give a good argument but it might be good to ease off after the clash and not take it personally etc.

meanwhile I'll just grab some popcorn and sit by for the next controversial clash in there.

Corvus of the Black Night January 9th, 2015 4:39 PM

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like you don't storm into threads and go ad hominem until the cows come home
You really shouldn't be talking, you're practically the queen of ad hominems. And unlike mine, you don't even tack an argument with them half of the time.

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 8573434)
The story is perhaps better told in context. Where, in this case, drawing from the posts you wrote and presented here, ad hominem and straw man arguments are being thrown by you rather liberally. Seeing this from an outsider's perspective, I'm not convinced that one side is at particular fault.

It is the responsibility of other users to go and determine what those are and call them out accordingly, users can continue to call whatever they want "straw man" arguments but until they identify why they are straw men such claims have no bearing.

Regardless, I don't care about the thread, because the context is how they treated me in VMs, not in the thread. The thread was the initialization of an issues.

You do not go and tell people that they should just suck up their offense after clearly throwing an insult that has no purpose except to purposely humiliate someone. You do not go and act like someone doesn't have a right to be offended by something you said, especially when the statement in question truly holds no value other than to humiliate another individual. And you do not act like that since you didn't intend to stir someone up that they have no right to be angry. This has nothing to do with the shit in the thread, this has to do with the fact that Livewire apparently thinks its okay to say insulting things to people without provocation other than disagreeing with someone and then claim that because you're unimportant, I disagree with you or I don't like you that it's somehow okay. It's not, and it's especially worrisome that this behaviour is ignored for the fact that I use what you believe are ad hominems and strawmen.

Those things can be corrected - if pointed out why they are problematic - but going around and acting like somehow you are immune to being called out on being disrespectful and writing something that is clearly intended to be inflammatory is something problematic and needs to be addressed.

Yes, there are times that I call people idiot or making shit up, but that may be because I have observed what they have to say and they don't line up. For example, I said that Magic was "pulling shit out of their ass" because they cited a stark statistic that had no source. In addition, where there were misunderstandings, I apologized, repeatedly. I corrected my mistakes when they were pointed out to me. I say these things for a reason, I do not just go into threads and start shit up.

If you really want to know how I go about posting in threads, I tend to try to elaborate on posts that seem weakly argued or otherwise based only on "gut feelings" as opposed to logical debate. Debate isn't about "winning" and it isn't about "having everyone agree", it's about having different opinions and thinking about what you say. Perhaps my strategy in trying to stir conversation in threads is not appreciated because many people want to continue the trend of "look it's a thread where 99% of people agree and if there is 1% that doesn't agree then let's call them an asshole".

Again, if you don't agree with me, you have every right to call out my straw men and point out why in the thread you happen to believe they are straw men. I could be wrong and not understand why they were, and we could have an interesting discussion on the matter, but simply going around and saying "but but but you used strawmen!!" doesn't improve that situation. Explain why. That's a part of debate. You can't just go around and fling logical fallacy terms at people without explaining why it is, because you're not actually explaining why it's wrong, or even what's wrong with it.

Anyways, I'm not really surprised by the attitude of the staff on this forum and I have grown more and more disgruntled with their behaviour. I've seen them talking behind people's backs, taking down threads even though they're not against the rules, deleting posts for questionable reasons and act like completely self entitled jerks sometimes even - and most of the time it has nothing to do with me, it's how I watch you treat other people. I don't think everyone on staff is like this obviously but it's a problem I've seen get worse over time. As seen in previous escapades involving other people I know who no longer attend this forum it is clear that individuals are not interested in actually calling out inappropriate behaviour, but rather defending each other and continuing to promote their own opinions. It's not an open environment, and it's clear from how you've treated me, and several other people on this forum, that you have no interest in maintaining an open enviorment.

Nah January 9th, 2015 5:22 PM

Daigonite, break it down for me in as few words as possible. I'ma having a hard time understanding what exactly is the problem here.

Kanzler January 9th, 2015 7:18 PM

I think a couple of people got heated and said things that, in hindsight, will seem regrettable.

I say sleep on it, and everything will be back to normal by tomorrow.

Hikamaru January 9th, 2015 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanzler (Post 8573632)
I think a couple of people got heated and said things that, in hindsight, will seem regrettable.

I say sleep on it, and everything will be back to normal by tomorrow.

He's right, I know that Discussions & Debates is a heated section and sometimes things flare up over there but over time everything calms down. Self-control is the key to helping yourself get out of a sticky situation there and if that fails, then you can approach the staff.


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