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Yeah, I found this game to be the darkest yet... I mean, what would you do if Lysandre called you on your Holo-Caster to tell you that you're going to die? Also, around three times I saw grunts mentioning how you can join Team Flare for 5,000,000$. I thought this was silly, considering the fact that realistically there would be no reason to join them. Then, I understood when one of the grunts at Geosenge saying something like "I joined Team Flare for 5,000,000, and now I get a new life!" The 5,000,000$ was a literal ticket to safety from the end of the world. I'm pretty sure Lysandre even says "Did you come to stop me? Or to be in safety?" (I really don't remember the quotes). I mean, come on, Pokemon! Did you really need this dark of a story for a KIDS game?
All in all, Lysandre is one CREEPY dude. He invented the Holo-Caster to Peeping-Tom on trainers! He will probably be engraved as the most memorable Bad-Team-Leader-Type-Thing in my head forever. |
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I really don't get Lysandre's "master plan". I know previous Pokemon villains had pretty insane and idiotic plans as well, but they at least made sense within the villain's own messed-up mind. Team Aqua and Magma, when it comes down to it, were just common hooligans who promoted themselves to a global threat. Yes, both their plans were very stupid and made no scientific sense, but what does one expect from a bunch of hippies who spray graffiti about the importance of sea life/ land life. Cyrus was a big sociopath with an implied abusive upbringing, so from his point of view he is actually doing the world a favour by getting rid of "the evil that is emotion". Lysandre, on the other hand, hates the whole world for no given reason and plans to kill everyone but a select few, hoping that the survivors won't just slaughter each other like animals over the few resources left on the planet post-apocalypse. Unlike Cyrus, he doesn't have a specific plan on how to reshape the world after he destroys it (insane as such a plan would be) and unlike Archie and Maxie, he is actually implied to have some sort of academic education, which doesn't excuse how he would come up with such a flawed, fail-prone plan that totally ignores elementary rules of how society and human beings in general work. |
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It makes sense now why there would only be a select few who survive through Lysandre's plans and why the price to join was so costly. They were literally buying there way into a new life, a beautiful life as you so acutely pointed out. Since the price was so high and given the hoity-toity atmosphere of Kalos, it's no wonder why the grunts were so focused on their looks, feeling like they were better than others, and more superior. They knew they were the lucky few going to live to see a better world while the rest of us and Pokémon would die from their destruction. In their eyes, we were the peasants who couldn't afford the new lifestyle they dreamed to live in. In the end, they were all a bunch of rich lunatics who deemed the world ugly and inferior and wanted to live in a world where only their high elegance and beauty existed. Lysandre was consumed by this and his followers only saw the gold at the end of the tunnel. What I would have liked to learn more of though was Lysandre's past and how he developed this kind of hatred. It was certainly a dark story, probably the darkest, but there are ways Lysandre and Team Flare could have stuck out more throughout the storyline, something I hope can be rectified in a third version, or better yet, sequels. |
Hey, koff~
Team Rocket killed Pokemon guys. Just cause they could. Also, I don't believe that they died. This 'ultimate weapon' did as much damage as a small crate of C-4. It sunk their base, sure, but the main character (you and your friends) didn't get caught in the blast or die. That leads me to believe that they're still alive somewhere. Also, Xerosic is still alive, koffi~ |
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Lysander came off as Cyrus 2.0. Cyrus hated spirit, and wouldn't have cared about killing off everyone in the Universe but himself in order to create a new one. Lysander hated 'ugliness', and wouldn't have cared about killing off everyone else in the world but Team Flare. |
Lysandre was an interesting villain because he stated some points of view that make you think a lot; in synthesis about the survival of the fittest. like sometimes to survive, any being will do what they consider it's necessary to survive, it's more like the instinct over reason. I think he got obssesed with the idea and overdid it, trying to change the world by any means, no matter if what he was going to do in the process was good or bad.
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the game is getting mature, this much i can say about it.. definitely. i was also surprised by the fact the team flare got killed and lysandre dead..... and there are so many part of the story yet to explore. i need a sequel on this like in BW to BW2..
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I was actually pretty taken back when Lysandre said he was going to kill all the Pokémon and people who weren't in Team Flare. Not disgusted though, it was just a pretty crazy "twist" to me since I didn't expect anything that dark. Especially the part when you're in Geosenge town and the Team Flare members are blocking you from the below route and you hear them talking about blocking out the screams of the other Pokémon. Really pretty dark!!
I'm pretty surprised that reviewers said that the plot was bland and just the same as well haha. |
Well, to be fair, a certain Ground type Pokemon back in gen one counts as the first death in a Pokemon game, I'd say. (Sure you don't see it, but then this is also a so-called Disney death too. To the point where people speculate he's alive too).
Anyways, my reaction? 'What'. A sceptical and disbelieving sort of what. =/ (I recently beat this part in my playthrough). Sure, Pokemon plots aren't very heavy to begin with, and I usually just play for the gameplay and Pokemon rather than plot. And this may have been an attempt to be ~dark and edgy~. But it was just so poorly executed! Characters do not comment on it anywhere near enough (your rivals basically go 'lalala let's continue on our adventure then! ^^'). There's no real sense of urgency by anyone else. (Compare to RSE. People comment on the changed weather conditions. You can see the rain/heat in other nearby towns too. Here? A few people comment on it, and some do not at all in the town. Outside of it? Few and far between.) It's too condensed too (you battle Lysandre three times in the space of an hour, two tops? Uh... and he's wearing what exactly in the last battle? Where did he get a mega stone from? Why did he cry for a moment and that never be mentioned again? How did AZ get out of that jail anyways? And so forth.) It's a pity as there is potential there. But compared to BW's plot for instance (which mind you was far from flawed itself), it's many steps backwards in many areas. Oh well, at least I play more for the Pokemon and gameplay anyway. Nonetheless... I prefer a decent plot to a rushed and flawed one. Quote:
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I also hope they improve stuff if they make a third game or sequel or whatever. Because there's a fair bit they can work on. |
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My thoughts exactly. They hinted at Lysandre liking "beauty" but his grunts didn't seem to care about beauty, but rather style. I tried hard but I couldn't make any connection between the leader and the led; if Lysandre didn't have the colour scheme and crazy hair-do I wouldn't have even guessed he was Team Flare's boss. The admins were also a waste of potential, they had no character at all and were just kind of there. I wish they would have gone into Malva and her role in Team Flare a bit more. She just says it but there was no hint of her involvement or what she really thought of them and their downfall. I dunno. I miss Team Rocket :( |
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I hope that they fix the houses in a third version as that seemed off...in all other generations they would have these kinds of things fixed by the time you left, or by the time you finish the E4... |
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Also I didn't really find this game to be all that dark. but that might only be because I didnt play Gen V, and I've been reading Naruto lately, so the idea of a villain thinking the only way to save the world is to kill most of it's inhabitants is kinda played out to me, so there wasn't any shock value. |
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Not all of them died. This is what I was responding too: "What was your reaction on the first ever confirmed death in the pokemon franchise, where lysandre killed himself as well as all of team flare?" Just to clarify that I'm not an idiot. Yeah, I may come across as the stupid one but we all know that text translates poorly. Like a 95% reduction from face to face conversation. No biggie, just something we all need reminding of, koffi~ |
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wait, I just noticed something. when you get the absolite from your rival s/he says that maybe the absolite will give lysandre something to be hopeful about. So wouldn't that mean he's alive? otherwise they would've referred to him in the past tense.
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I thought the story was handled better than Black and White.. which seemed to try to do something epic but didn't really have the scope or the direction first. I appreciated that, for what it's worth, X and Y kept their story relatively unobtrusive in that regard.. but I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous it sounds with having pokemon actually participating in wars.. considering the fact that if 3000 years ago, the whole Pokeball/Pokecenter/PC/Training facilities probably didn't even exist at the time. One would think the petty concerns of man would be beyond them.. being most of them seem to be nothing more than animals and what not.
Honestly.. as much as I loved team flare, mostly based on how absolutely ridiculous they were both in concept and execution, I'm growing a little tired of these "evil teams" rising up out of nowhere with some plans of global domination in mind. They get in the way too much and bring the whole trainer's journey to a grinding halt. I enjoyed the game far more just running from town to town and battling with your in game friends and watching them grow (though honestly the only one who sorta does is your rival).. I legitimately started feeling bad for Serena every time I roflstomped her into the pavement.. because your rival seemed to actually have character.. most of the time.. and thats good! I'd really like to see the games focus more on that. The actual journey rather than some evil team sidequest that you need to put a damper on. |
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I thought the storyline moved really quickly, one minute you first meet Lysandre and suddenly you're fighting Xerneas/Yveltal. But the plot is a bit interesting, and I do understand where Lysandre is coming from. His point of view on things makes sense and I understand why he's doing what he's doing.
Their fashion nonsense is really weird though. They have no sense of style. Well, I don't have that great of a sense of style so I'll just assume they have a bad sense of style. XD |
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I'm not sure if we should consider Lysandre as being evil, because just like Cyrus' point of view about emotion being destructive, his motivation on wiping out every Pokémon in the world does bring a point. From what we've seen from the 3000 year war, previous evil teams, and how the Pokémon were used Movie 8 and Movie 12, people have been fighting over the control of Pokémon. It is human nature that war is brought upon by greed, and the once the human race becomes overpopulated, our main sources become scarce, making wars more devastating than they were before. Hypothetically speaking, the only to end all wars is either destroy all humans or destroy the main source that brought them to greed in the first place, which were Pokémon. The plot is basically where Lysandre is secretly the good guy all along whereas you, the main hero, are the true villain for crushing his goal to save the world. Which brings me to this question: Do you agree with his goal? How does this reflect to the real world?
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