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Mmm.. I must've missed this part in the game :/
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The reaction to his death was similar to the reaction Kenny gets when he dies on South Park. I never took team Flare seriously, they were too goofy. Nothing stood out about Lysandre except his hair and the way he dressed.
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It just dawned on me that unless pokeballs act as some sort of bomb shelter then all of Team Flare's pokemon that you battled before defeating Lysandre died in the explosion as well.
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If anyone haven't pointed out this yet but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere that Lysandre would have died in the explosion. Even in the Bulbapedia they mention that Lysandre and the HQ of Team Flare were buried but nothing suggests that Lysandre would be gone forever. It's always a possibility but if we compare to other Generations I don't recall a single character dying and as there will most likely be a third game to this Generation it would be silly to kill Lysandre off like this. I bet my left hand that he is still alive and makes a cameo at some point. I myself am rather ridiculed by the fact that Malva is part of Team Flare and clearly stronger than Lysandre but still he reigned over her. :P
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Malva may have 'higher levels' (but note that this is more a gameplay detail - there's enough hints in various canons to suggest the 1st gym leader you encounter isn't necessarily the weakest for instance), but Lysandre arguably had larger sway in the world, what with his financial power, work in stuff like the Holo Caster, and so forth. |
I highly doubt all the Flare members stayed while the "heroes" were running out the door. Same can't be said for Lysander, though there's no telling if he's alive or dead at this point.
I thought the plot overall didn't really build well, and Lysander's motive seems unfounded. Maybe if there was more background story that went with Lysander's motive, the story could've been a bit better. |
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Very late reply. @[email protected]
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When was it confirmed Lysandre died? While it's heavily implied he killed himself, he could still be alive under all that rubble.
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Lysandre's motives remind me of that recent movie, Elysium. Resources are limited, so let's get rid of all the ugly people in the world and build a new utopia. It's a classic theme, and it's understandable why Lysandre does that, if you read his notes in the labs. Interestingly enough, there are quite a lot of people like that in the world. People who view the poor as beggars who hold back the progress of the gifted ones, people who want to get rid of the filth (criminals, addicts, mental patients)... And these people, unlike Lysandre, sometimes aren't recognized as villains by the society. I bet many people would like for a Lysandre to exist so that he builds a weapon that magically wipes out all the undesirable people from the world.
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What you're describing here is what the writers TRIED to do with Lysandre's character: To make him a tragic, shakespearean villain who's fed up with the corruption of the world and is willing to turn himself into a monster, if it means future generations will live in a better, more peaceful world. The problem that happens with this story is the same that happens with a lot of similar stories: Where's the corruption? Where are these despicable, greedy, Pokemon-abusing humans that he speaks of? All I see in Kalos are happy-go-lucky people running around with their cheerful Pokemon in their beautyful, colorful towns generally having a good time. Evil teams like Team Rocket and Team Plasma who use Pokemon for evil are the exception and not the rule in the Pokemon World. If you're wondering what Lysandre would be like in the hands of a good writer, look no further than Amon from the Legend of Korra. His motives actually make sense within the established universe (i.e. we actually see examples of Benders abusing non-Benders), his followers are actually intimidating and he actually has a complex, multi-part plan that almost worked in the end, intead of just saying "hey, let's just kill everyone we don't like and then the world will be a better place... somehow." |
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You do have a point, though. None of the NPCs are evil bastards. Team Flare is an irony, as was Team Plasma, because Lysandre hated the greedy people who would abuse Pokémon for war yet his team consists of mostly greedy people who only care about riches and nothing else. |
[STORYLINE SPOILER WARNING] What happened to Lysandre?
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Discuss about your own opinion. |
I know that in Y, his death is heavily implied.
I have heard, however, that in X, it's implied that he's become effectively immortal from long-term exposure to Xerneas and he's simply trapped with no way out. |
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On topic, however, Ghetsis hardly manipulated people. The only one he really manipulated was N, who was raised to think that way from the start, and maybe N's followers. Other than that, I'm pretty sure he was acting as N's awkward father-figure that would swoop down and claim all the glory. Amon and Lysandre are much better comparisons. While one really did feel for their cause, they were much better and well-written antagonists that had more similarities. |
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