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llysender November 5th, 2013 12:01 AM

my first team(X and Y)
 
This is my first time forming my compatative team, so please explain where I went wrong....without further ado let us start

Drifblim
ability: Aftermath
item:ghost plate

moves:
rain dance
shadow ball
thunder
thunder wave

Gestrodon
ability:storm drain
item:leftovers

moves:
toxic
protract
scald
recover

sylveon
ability:cute charm
item:pixy plate

moves:
moon blast
draining kiss
hyper beam
toxic

Scyther
ability:Technician
item:???

moves:
U-turn
Aerial Ace
brick break
swords dance

toxicroak

ability:dry skin
item: black sludge

moves:
subsitute
swords dance
poison jab
sucker punch

flygon
ability:levitate
item:???

moves:
dragon tail
earthquake
U-turn
stone edge

Boilurn November 5th, 2013 3:13 PM

Firstly, welcome to the Battle Center section of the forums!
Secondly, let's review your team. Each pokemon should display their EV spread and natures as well as movesets, abilities and items.

Your team is weak to Ice, Flying and Psychic-type moves. A Steel-type helps greatly in terms of defensive synergy, as they cover your team's weaknesses. Common Steel types include Heatran, Metagross, Ferrothorn and Scizor, so you could pick any of these if you like. Replace Scyther with it, because Scyther is never seen very often due to its massive Stealth rock weakness and limited coverage. Ferrothorn/Heatran are the preferred options as they can set up entry hazards such as Spikes and Stealth Rock, which can greatly help offensive Pokemon.

Here's two sets for Heatran and Ferrothorn respectively

~Fire Blast
~Earth Power/Flash Cannon
~HP Ice/Grass
~Stealth Rock
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

~Lava Plume
~Protect
~Roar
~Stealth Rock
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

-----

~Spikes/Stealth Rock
~Leech Seed
~Power Whip
~Gyro Ball
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
IVs: 0 Speed

~Gyro Ball
~Power Whip
~Bulldoze
~Spikes
Item: Choice Band
Nature: Brave
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
IVs: 0 Speed

Hyper Beam is never used on any Pokemon let alone Sylveon. I'd utilize another coverage move such as Shadow Ball or a set-up move like Calm Mind to replace HB.

Flygon doesn't have good enough defenses to make use of Dragon Tail. Outrage is the preferred option instead. Choice Scarf would be my item of choice for him.

Hope this review helps. Good luck!

PlatinumDude November 5th, 2013 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boilurn (Post 7921762)
Firstly, welcome to the Battle Center section of the forums!
Secondly, let's review your team. Each pokemon should display their EV spread and natures as well as movesets, abilities and items.

Your team is weak to Ice, Flying and Psychic-type moves. A Steel-type helps greatly in terms of defensive synergy, as they cover your team's weaknesses. Common Steel types include Heatran, Metagross, Ferrothorn and Scizor, so you could pick any of these if you like. Replace Scyther with it, because Scyther is never seen very often due to its massive Stealth rock weakness and limited coverage. Ferrothorn/Heatran are the preferred options as they can set up entry hazards such as Spikes and Stealth Rock, which can greatly help offensive Pokemon.

Here's two sets for Heatran and Ferrothorn respectively

~Fire Blast
~Earth Power/Flash Cannon
~HP Ice/Grass
~Stealth Rock
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

~Lava Plume
~Protect
~Roar
~Stealth Rock
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD

-----

~Spikes/Stealth Rock
~Leech Seed
~Power Whip
~Gyro Ball
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
IVs: 0 Speed

~Gyro Ball
~Power Whip
~Bulldoze
~Spikes
Item: Choice Band
Nature: Brave
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
IVs: 0 Speed

Hyper Beam is never used on any Pokemon let alone Sylveon. I'd utilize another coverage move such as Shadow Ball or a set-up move like Calm Mind to replace HB.

Flygon doesn't have good enough defenses to make use of Dragon Tail. Outrage is the preferred option instead. Choice Scarf would be my item of choice for him.

Hope this review helps. Good luck!

For starters, Heatran isn't available or even legal in X/Y yet. Wait till Poke Transfer before even editing it in. Make do with Aegislash:
-King's Shield
-Shadow Ball/Iron Head
-Shadow Sneak
-Iron Head/Sacred Sword
Nature: Quiet/Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SAtk or 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
Item: Leftovers

or
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-Iron Head/Sacred Sword
-King's Shield
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Item: Leftovers

or
-Shadow Ball
-Shadow Sneak
-Iron Head
-Sacred Sword
Nature: Quiet/Brave
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SAtk
Item: Spooky Plate/Life Orb

or
-Autotomize
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Iron Head/Sacred Sword
Nature: Rash
EVs: 88 Atk/252 SAtk/168 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-Shadow Claw
-Iron Head
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Item: Leftovers

Also, Ferrothorn can make better use of different EV spreads: Relaxed with 252 HP/200 Def/56 SDef or 252 HP/76 Def/180 SDef for more physical bulk or more balanced bulk, respectively.

Remember to play to Sylveon's strengths, such as its great special bulk:
-Wish
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball/Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Calm Mind
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power (Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers

Scizor kinda outclasses Scyther because it hits harder. If you want to surprise opponents by using Scyther (it even has stats matching up to fully evolved Pokemon despite being a pre-evolved Pokemon), be my guest:
-Swords Dance
-Aerial Ace
-X-Scissor/Quick Attack
-Brick Break/Quick Attack
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Technician

or
-U-turn
-Aerial Ace
-X-Scissor/Quick Attack
-Brick Break/X-Scissor
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Aerial Ace
-Brick Break/Baton Pass
-Roost
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Eviolite
Ability: Technician

Otherwise, use Scizor:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break
-Pursuit/Quick Attack
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

or

-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-X-Scissor
-Brick Break
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Technician

or

-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-X-Scissor
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/12 Atk/244 SDef
Item: Scizorite
Ability: Technician

Toxicroak is only good in Rain teams. Lucario is the better fit outside of those teams:
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-ExtremeSpeed/Bullet Punch
-Crunch/Shadow Claw
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lucarionite

or
-Nasty Plot
-Aura Sphere
-Flash Cannon
-Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse/Vacuum Wave
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Lucarionite

or
-Agility
-Close Combat
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Flash Cannon/Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
Nature: Rash
EVs: 252 Atk/84 SAtk/172 Spe
Item: Lucarionite

There's literally no reason to use Flygon in standard. Sure, it's fast, but it doesn't hit hard enough. Garchomp is the better option in the standard environment:
-Swords Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Yache Berry/Haban Berry

or
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/Stone Edge/Fire Blast
-Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
Nature: Jolly/Naive
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

I don't like having Drifblim It doesn't have much to offer when other Ghosts hit faster or harder than it, like Gengar or Aegislash. Aegislash was already explained above.

Gastrodon lost its effectiveness in the generation shift, due to the rain nerf, but it's still a good check to opposing bulky Waters. It's better to use a Ground STAB instead of Toxic + Protect. Sure, Gastrodon can do that, but there are other Pokemon who can do it better, like Gliscor:
-Scald
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

llysender November 6th, 2013 4:21 PM

thanks alot for the help....I recently snagged a volcarona so hopefully it can fit in.
Also, I'll be using marwile for my steel type since my dearest toast bread a good one for me. Also magnetzone replacing Drifblim for electric attacks.

Again thank you in advance for all your help



volcarona
EVs:252sp.atk/4sp.def/252speed
nature:timid
item:life orb

moves:
-u-turn
-heat wave
-bug buzz
-hurricane

Sylveon
(copy and paste build)
EV:252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Nature:Moddest
Item:Shell bell(?)

Moves:
-Wish
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball

Gestrodon(copy and paste build)
EV: 252HP/252def/4sp.def
Nature:quiet
Item:Leftovers

Moves:
-surf
-earthquake
-toxic
-recover

Marwile
EV: 252HP/252atk/4sp.def
Nature: Admant
Item: Marwilerite

Moves:
-Play rough
-Sucker punch
-Iron Head
-Stone Edge

Garchomp(copy and paste build)
-Swords Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Yache Berry/Haban Berry

Magnetzone
EV:252HP, 252Sp.atk, 4Sp.def
Nature: Moddest
Item: leftovers

Moves:
-Volt switch
-subsitute
-flash cannon
-thunderbolt

PlatinumDude November 6th, 2013 5:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llysender (Post 7923396)
thanks alot for the help....I recently snagged a volcarona so hopefully it can fit in.
Also, I'll be using marwile for my steel type since my dearest toast bread a good one for me. Also magnetzone replacing Drifblim for electric attacks.

Again thank you in advance for all your help



volcarona
EVs:252sp.atk/4sp.def/252speed
nature:timid
item:life orb

moves:
-u-turn
-heat wave
-bug buzz
-hurricane

Sylveon
(copy and paste build)
EV:252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Nature:Moddest
Item:Shell bell(?)

Moves:
-Wish
-Protect
-Moonblast
-Shadow Ball

Gestrodon(copy and paste build)
EV: 252HP/252def/4sp.def
Nature:quiet
Item:Leftovers

Moves:
-surf
-earthquake
-toxic
-recover

Marwile
EV: 252HP/252atk/4sp.def
Nature: Admant
Item: Marwilerite

Moves:
-Play rough
-Sucker punch
-Iron Head
-Stone Edge

Garchomp(copy and paste build)
-Swords Dance
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Fire Fang/Stone Edge
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Lum Berry/Yache Berry/Haban Berry

Magnetzone
EV:252HP, 252Sp.atk, 4Sp.def
Nature: Moddest
Item: leftovers

Moves:
-Volt switch
-subsitute
-flash cannon
-thunderbolt

Volcarona is the best, if not the absolute best, Quiver Dancer in the game. Don't waste that opportunity:
-Quiver Dance
-Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Hidden Power (Rock/Ice)/Psychic
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

What's the point of Sylveon using a Modest nature when it's not investing in Special Attack at all? Change the nature to Bold. Shell Bell is terrible; use Leftovers instead.

The Quiet nature and EV spread discrepancy of Sylveon also applies to Gastrodon. Change the nature to Relaxed.

I don't think Substitute + Volt Switch is a good combo for Magnezone. Volt Switching removes the user's Substitute upon leaving battle:
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull

or
-Thunderbolt
-Charge Beam/Flash Cannon
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
-Substitute
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Salac Berry
Ability: Magnet Pull

llysender November 6th, 2013 5:35 PM

thanks for pointing everything out....abit off topic but which pokemon can I farm for more leftovers?

PlatinumDude November 6th, 2013 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llysender (Post 7923544)
thanks for pointing everything out....abit off topic but which pokemon can I farm for more leftovers?

No wild Pokemon hold Leftovers. One can be found in Route 12.


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