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BadPokemon November 11th, 2013 6:51 PM

Underrated Pokemon You Use
 
I'm sorry if there is a thread like this. I DID search for one like this and couldn't find it. What underrated pokemon do you use? I really like using my Vivillon. It has good defenses. It sweeps with infestation and struggle bug. I always use infestation first, then depending on the pokemon, I use psybeam or struggle bug. Sometimes I use stun spore, but I will replace it with fly once I find it. Soooo...discuss!

Redingard November 11th, 2013 6:55 PM

I just lurv my Electivier, Magmortar and Flygon. While none of them are outstanding, each of them are unique (especially Electivier and Magmortar in design). They don't have outstanding stats, but you can't scoff at them either. Usable in competitve play, but not very feasible.

As for you Vivillon, Hurrican will be your go-to move if you have Compound Eyes. 120 damage, STAB, and increased accuracy? Vivillon can easily sweep with the right EVS and Nature.

Batty November 11th, 2013 6:56 PM

I really love Leafeon. I can see why it's not very popular, among other Eeveelutions and even other grass types, it fades into the background in terms of stats. But while Leafeon has a strange arrangement of stats, I think it's movepool compliments them nearly perfectly and there are actually many options when choosing how to set up your Leafeon.

BadPokemon November 11th, 2013 7:00 PM

What level does Vivillon learn hurricane? It does have compound eyes I think. I don't know the nature.

KittenKoder November 11th, 2013 7:03 PM

Talonflame with gale wings. Talonflame is pretty weak in battle, it's stats are low except for speed, and a trick room could render them useless in most situations, unless they have gale wings and are strong to the opposing pokemon.

BadPokemon November 11th, 2013 7:07 PM

What do gale wings do? I have the hard helmet thing on my Vivillon. In one turn: infestation, get hit and pokemon gets damaged by hard helmet, infestation. Second turn: struggle bug, KO

KittenKoder November 11th, 2013 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 7932586)
What do gale wings do? I have the hard helmet thing on my Vivillon. In one turn: infestation, get hit and pokemon gets damaged by hard helmet, infestation. Second turn: struggle bug, KO

Gale wings increases the priority of flying type moves by one. Thus they are executed faster, making speed less of an issue. That is why it can negate the benefit of trick room for a Talonflame, because priority moves still go in order of priority first.

BadPokemon November 11th, 2013 7:22 PM

Ok, cool! Soooo...what other underrated pokemon are there?

TrainerNico November 11th, 2013 7:37 PM

Well, I use a Cinccino on Random Battles, and kicks butt like a boss, Skill Link Ability + King's Rock = 41% chance of flinching lol.

I also use Florges as my healer and Special Wall, she can take pretty much special attacks(well except for her weaknesses).

And by the time Pokemon Bank is released, I'm gonna get my Physical Attacking Lopunny from Black 2.

BadPokemon November 11th, 2013 7:41 PM

Ok, cool! I also use a machamp...thank you Quinn! You don't see much of those, but it has saved me a ton of times.

Flushed November 11th, 2013 7:49 PM

I've taking a liking to Seadra and Gourgeist. Seadra with the Eviolite is pretty bulky from what I've seen so far, and Gourgeist is just fun to use, regardless if it's a bit lackluster.

KittenKoder November 11th, 2013 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flush'd (Post 7932629)
I've taking a liking to Seadra and Gourgeist. Seadra with the Eviolite is pretty bulky from what I've seen so far, and Gourgeist is just fun to use, regardless if it's a bit lackluster.

Gourgeist is really underrated, though I don't use it, I do panic a bit when I see one. lol

brenndan November 11th, 2013 7:57 PM

I've been using Wailord a lot this gen. I think he could be great you just need to find the right team for him. I've been trying to run him with a toxic team and it's working okay. He's been one of my favorites for years and he was my first ever ex card.

Quinn November 11th, 2013 8:12 PM

I use Snorlax, his attack is massive and Hp is great i just have never seen any one use him. Also gengar since every one should use one

Aminta November 11th, 2013 8:12 PM

By "underrated," do you mean Pokemon with unrecognized but great battling potential, or Pokemon who might not be so great stat-wise or for competitive play, but are fun to use or decent regardless?

KittenKoder November 11th, 2013 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aminta (Post 7932662)
By "underrated," do you mean Pokemon with unrecognized but great battling potential, or Pokemon who might not be so great stat-wise or for competitive play, but are fun to use or decent regardless?

This kind of post saddens me a bit. The stats are not the only part of the pokemon's capabilities. Combine the correct ability and moves and those with lower stats can dominate a battle, like Talonflame for example, since I have already shown how it can dominate. Talonflame has low stat values all around, except speed. I have seen a Talonflame almost sweep a battle because of the ability and moves, stats had no role in the battle, it was trainer and pokemon that did it all. Also, really good strategy breaking moves like trick room are only available on pokemon with low stats, and trick room can devastate a team if unprepared for it. That is why they are called "underrated" and not "unpopular."

Flushed November 11th, 2013 8:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittenKoder (Post 7932679)
This kind of post saddens me a bit. The stats are not the only part of the pokemon's capabilities. Combine the correct ability and moves and those with lower stats can dominate a battle, like Talonflame for example, since I have already shown how it can dominate. Talonflame has low stat values all around, except speed. I have seen a Talonflame almost sweep a battle because of the ability and moves, stats had no role in the battle, it was trainer and pokemon that did it all. Also, really good strategy breaking moves like trick room are only available on pokemon with low stats, and trick room can devastate a team if unprepared for it. That is why they are called "underrated" and not "unpopular."

It's a valid question. I'm not sure what saddens you here.

Aminta November 11th, 2013 8:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittenKoder (Post 7932679)
This kind of post saddens me a bit. The stats are not the only part of the pokemon's capabilities. Combine the correct ability and moves and those with lower stats can dominate a battle, like Talonflame for example, since I have already shown how it can dominate. Talonflame has low stat values all around, except speed. I have seen a Talonflame almost sweep a battle because of the ability and moves, stats had no role in the battle, it was trainer and pokemon that did it all. Also, really good strategy breaking moves like trick room are only available on pokemon with low stats, and trick room can devastate a team if unprepared for it. That is why they are called "underrated" and not "unpopular."


I wasn't trying to make a statement suggesting that Pokemon with low stats are worthless or anything like that. I'm not a competitive player at all, I know next to nothing about competitive battling, and that includes all aspects of it - from stats to strategy. :3c
I totally agree with you that stats aren't everything in Pokemon, in fact, I'm glad to hear that someone else holds that sentiment, as I get kind of discouraged seeing everyone talk about breeding for IVs and taking all manner of other steps to obtain "perfect" Pokemon, an activity I've never participated in.

Aeroblast November 11th, 2013 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KittenKoder (Post 7932578)
Talonflame with gale wings. Talonflame is pretty weak in battle, it's stats are low except for speed, and a trick room could render them useless in most situations, unless they have gale wings and are strong to the opposing pokemon.

You kidding? Talonflame is the 3rd most used Pokemon in competitive OU. (Showdown)

KittenKoder November 11th, 2013 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattle (Post 7932698)
You kidding? Talonflame is the 3rd most used Pokemon in competitive OU. (Showdown)

LOL, I honestly based it on the reaction of people when I said I wanted one for competitive battles. :P

Not really sure how to qualify something as underrated, so I just used that as a measure with this one.

Aeroblast November 11th, 2013 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KittenKoder (Post 7932708)
LOL, I honestly based it on the reaction of people when I said I wanted one for competitive battles. :P

Not really sure how to qualify something as underrated, so I just used that as a measure with this one.

What were their reactions? If they said Gale Wings Talonflame was ****, then they don't know how overpowered Gale Wings Talonflame is. It might drop off a bit in usage once new 'mon hype fades, but right now Talonflame is far from underrated.

If you don't believe me, below is Top 10, Talonflame at 3 right behind Aegislash and Greninja, respectively.

Spoiler:


http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-gen-vi-simulator-statistics-%E2%80%94-october-2013.3491683/

Total battles: 155571
Avg. weight/team: 0.583
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage % | Raw | % | Real | % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1 | Aegislash | 38.33802% | 111327 | 35.780% | 86226 | 35.268% |
| 2 | Greninja | 28.54731% | 83383 | 26.799% | 65873 | 26.943% |
| 3 | Talonflame | 25.44047% | 67122 | 21.573% | 53276 | 21.791% |
| 4 | Gengar | 20.89680% | 64808 | 20.829% | 48280 | 19.747% |
| 5 | Ferrothorn | 14.84655% | 41785 | 13.430% | 36191 | 14.803% |
| 6 | Tyranitar | 14.71539% | 42299 | 13.595% | 34962 | 14.300% |
| 7 | Scizor | 14.63622% | 42142 | 13.544% | 32492 | 13.290% |
| 8 | Klefki | 13.76588% | 37730 | 12.126% | 33505 | 13.704% |
| 9 | Garchomp | 13.65784% | 41484 | 13.333% | 31284 | 12.796% |
| 10 | Goodra | 12.69665% | 37345 | 12.003% | 28246 | 11.553% |

Hiatus November 11th, 2013 9:15 PM

I love using my Altaria. I've captured it while I was on my way to Victory Road. Its nature is Adamant, which is good as it gives boost to its Attack stat. This Pokémon's got a lot of physical-based moves in its arsenal, so the more Attack it has, the more advantage that it can take of those moves. Right now, Altaria knows the following moves: Dragon Dance, Outrage, Roost, and Earthquake. Earthquake and Dragon Dance are the ones that I use mostly. I use Outrage only when the opponent's down to their last two Pokémon. d: As for Roost—it's there just so I can keep its health at a balanced level.

Flushed November 11th, 2013 9:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattle (Post 7932722)

Spoiler:


http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-gen-vi-simulator-statistics-%E2%80%94-october-2013.3491683/

Total battles: 155571
Avg. weight/team: 0.583
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage % | Raw | % | Real | % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| 1 | Aegislash | 38.33802% | 111327 | 35.780% | 86226 | 35.268% |
| 2 | Greninja | 28.54731% | 83383 | 26.799% | 65873 | 26.943% |
| 3 | Talonflame | 25.44047% | 67122 | 21.573% | 53276 | 21.791% |
| 4 | Gengar | 20.89680% | 64808 | 20.829% | 48280 | 19.747% |
| 5 | Ferrothorn | 14.84655% | 41785 | 13.430% | 36191 | 14.803% |
| 6 | Tyranitar | 14.71539% | 42299 | 13.595% | 34962 | 14.300% |
| 7 | Scizor | 14.63622% | 42142 | 13.544% | 32492 | 13.290% |
| 8 | Klefki | 13.76588% | 37730 | 12.126% | 33505 | 13.704% |
| 9 | Garchomp | 13.65784% | 41484 | 13.333% | 31284 | 12.796% |
| 10 | Goodra | 12.69665% | 37345 | 12.003% | 28246 | 11.553% |

Klefki, wait wut. I must've missed an important competitive breakthrough with Klefki. ._.

Pangoro November 11th, 2013 9:24 PM

Furfrou, I love this pokemon. It has so much troll potential in battle with the right build and move set.
I did have someone on a twitch steam when i battled him pretty much insult my furfrou xD i loled. I use pokemon i like to battle with, win or lose, not ones just to win thats boring.

Aminta November 11th, 2013 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flush'd (Post 7932737)
Klefki, wait wut. I must've missed an important competitive breakthrough with Klefki. ._.

Lol, exactly what I was thinking. Klefki's above Garchomp?


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