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SaniOKh January 18th, 2014 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Khrysta (Post 8039458)
There's no need for compensation, nor do we need anything for it.

Not everybody thinks the same way you do, so please don't say "we". I think they should throw in another event exclusive, like Mew or Jirachi as an apology, it costs them nothing.

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Originally Posted by 루기아 (Post 8046010)
Obviously it's not cancelled, I'm just treating as if it is at this point.

I decided to do this today as well. And by that I mean I put X and Y in a drawer and went back to Gen 5 and 4.
I don't know if I'm the minority here, but I don't like X and Y that much to begin with, and with Pokémon Bank and Transfer in limbo, that means I can no longer work on my National Pokédex in those games (which I like to do entirely by myself) . So until the bank is released, these games are pretty much worthless to me.

I just went to the official Facebook page of Pokémon and looked the comments to the recent posts. I love this one:

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Originally Posted by Pokémon
The Legendary Pokémon Zygarde has officially been revealed! [...] Have you met Zygarde in Pokémon X and Pokémon Y yet?

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Originally Posted by A subscriber
I have met Zygarde. Have YOU released Poke Bank?

432 likes, well deserved. Some other comments to other posts just say "Pokébank" and have top numbers of likes. At this point it seems like Nintendo is deliberately ignoring the outcry of the fandom. Either that or... I hate to throw the word "incompetent" around, but... yeah.

I also see people creating petitions, which aren't getting many signatures. And while this one: We want the App to come as soon as Possible! is plain ridiculous, I wholeheartedly aree with this one: Make Poké Transporter a completely free service that can be used without subscribing to Pokémon Bank, but not for the same reason: at this point, I'm no longer annoyed at the feature being paid, I'm annoyed at Pokémon Transfer not being released on the grounds that it depends on Pokémon Bank, while there was absolutely no need to make Pokémon Transfer an online-only feature (I already explained how it could work offline in another post, I'm not repeating myself here).

Phangy January 18th, 2014 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SaniOKh (Post 8046038)
I also see people creating petitions, which aren't getting many signatures. And while this one: We want the App to come as soon as Possible! is plain ridiculous, I wholeheartedly aree with this one: Make Poké Transporter a completely free service that can be used without subscribing to Pokémon Bank, but not for the same reason: at this point, I'm no longer annoyed at the feature being paid, I'm annoyed at Pokémon Transfer not being released on the grounds that it depends on Pokémon Bank, while there was absolutely no need to make Pokémon Transfer an online-only feature (I already explained how it could work offline in another post, I'm not repeating myself here).

online petitions don't really do much but bring attention to something, and they already know. No amount of online anything will get it out before they want. and the whole point is for your pokemon to be saved on a cloud, so no matter what happens to your copy of the game, the pokemon stored in the bank are safe and sound, and using servers cost money.

I do agree with the transfer part though, taking that away just so people would use the bank was a dick move. But Nintendo is struggling so anywhere they can get money i guess...

Ammako January 18th, 2014 2:30 PM

What if they were actually working on redesigning Pokémon Bank and making it so it stores everything locally on the SD card instead of relying on cloud servers?

matsuko January 18th, 2014 2:30 PM

people seem to be forgetting about the cafe's across kalos. they may not have all the entries, but it gives you 'dex entries without having to trade for the pokemon. this includes many that are unobtainable in x and y--including legendaries from previous games.

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Originally Posted by mewman (Post 8045851)
they could do it by time zone.

that would be just as bad for people outside those time zones.

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Originally Posted by Pingouin7 (Post 8046263)
What if they were actually working on redesigning Pokémon Bank and making it so it stores everything locally on the SD card instead of relying on cloud servers?

that is extremely unlikely.

Nah January 18th, 2014 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by matsuko (Post 8046264)
people seem to be forgetting about the cafe's across kalos. they may not have all the entries, but it gives you 'dex entries without having to trade for the pokemon. this includes many that are unobtainable in x and y--including legendaries from previous games.

Not everyone wants the Bank for the sole purpose of Pokedex completion. Some people, like me, have a large number of Pokemon we've spent time and effort raising and would like to use them in the new Generation. Others want the Bank so they have a way to save all their Pokemon before starting a new save file.

Nusdogg January 18th, 2014 5:02 PM

Today, I just found out that my Mew (has Fire Blast) which I had a feeling was a hacked Pokemon I got from GTS in gen V didn't go through Pokemon Bank. :( It is a illegal Pokemon which disappointed me, but oh well. I was able to get Latios and Grovyle transferred over. I can't even trade Thunderus nor Kyurem to get them over to X and Y. I have to un-transform them and retry the normal Kyurem and Zekrom to see if it lets me.

I had this Japanese guy from another forum helped me out; since, he's the very few who has Pokemon Bank still working.

Back on topic though, I'm afraid it's not gonna be out anytime soon at all nor will it ever gonna come out.

atomtanned January 18th, 2014 5:21 PM

I'm wondering if the delay isn't as much about server issues than it is about fixing their hack checks. I was reading about how badly they were working with the original version, and I'd prefer them take a year to release PokeBank with good hack checks than release a shoddy program that allows totally ridiculous Pokemon to come flooding in.

That being said, they should say something about it if that's the case -- keeping us more updated would be the best thing they can do. For now, I have been able to get some of the Bank exclusives and I'm hoping that I can breed those to trade for the ones I'm missing. I'm not expecting it any time soon.

Sopheria January 18th, 2014 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 8046553)
I'm wondering if the delay isn't as much about server issues than it is about fixing their hack checks. I was reading about how badly they were working with the original version, and I'd prefer them take a year to release PokeBank with good hack checks than release a shoddy program that allows totally ridiculous Pokemon to come flooding in.

That being said, they should say something about it if that's the case -- keeping us more updated would be the best thing they can do. For now, I have been able to get some of the Bank exclusives and I'm hoping that I can breed those to trade for the ones I'm missing. I'm not expecting it any time soon.

That's my theory too. If it is, it makes sense that they're keeping it under wraps, because they'd probably prefer people don't know that there could be a bunch of hacked Pokemon floating around the cloud.

The most frustrating thing about this whole thing is their sorry excuse for "updates". "We're working on it gaiz. Be patient, kthanks!" does not an update make, Nintendo :(

mewman January 18th, 2014 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 8046553)
I'm wondering if the delay isn't as much about server issues than it is about fixing their hack checks. I was reading about how badly they were working with the original version, and I'd prefer them take a year to release PokeBank with good hack checks than release a shoddy program that allows totally ridiculous Pokemon to come flooding in.

That being said, they should say something about it if that's the case -- keeping us more updated would be the best thing they can do. For now, I have been able to get some of the Bank exclusives and I'm hoping that I can breed those to trade for the ones I'm missing. I'm not expecting it any time soon.

kinda of late for that since if people really wanted their hacked pokemon they would find a someone to transfer their hacked pokemon for them.

sh1nyzorua January 18th, 2014 5:42 PM

I hope all the problems are resolved soon so I can transfer my Pokemon and play with them in Pokemon Amie. ;~;

Phangy January 18th, 2014 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 8046553)
I'm wondering if the delay isn't as much about server issues than it is about fixing their hack checks. I was reading about how badly they were working with the original version, and I'd prefer them take a year to release PokeBank with good hack checks than release a shoddy program that allows totally ridiculous Pokemon to come flooding in.

That being said, they should say something about it if that's the case -- keeping us more updated would be the best thing they can do. For now, I have been able to get some of the Bank exclusives and I'm hoping that I can breed those to trade for the ones I'm missing. I'm not expecting it any time soon.

you'd think they would have figured out how to stop hack pokemon before the release, shouldn't be hard to get their hands on some hacked pokemon to play with to make sure what they said would work actually works. but I really hope they don't do something stupid like wait till the next 3DS pokemon game to put it out. they've already lost a lot pushing it now, no one's really doing to care that far down the road.

atomtanned January 18th, 2014 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mewman (Post 8046573)
kinda of late for that since if people really wanted their hacked pokemon they would find a someone to transfer their hacked pokemon for them.

That's true, but that still requires someone to track down one of the relatively small numbers of people who have a working version of PokeBank -- I'm sure there'd be WAY more hacks around if people could just upload their own willy nilly.

ZetaZaku January 18th, 2014 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 8046553)
I'm wondering if the delay isn't as much about server issues than it is about fixing their hack checks. I was reading about how badly they were working with the original version, and I'd prefer them take a year to release PokeBank with good hack checks than release a shoddy program that allows totally ridiculous Pokemon to come flooding in.

That being said, they should say something about it if that's the case -- keeping us more updated would be the best thing they can do. For now, I have been able to get some of the Bank exclusives and I'm hoping that I can breed those to trade for the ones I'm missing. I'm not expecting it any time soon.

Based on how easy it is to breed in XY, aside from hackers skipping parts of the game and using ready Pokemon, I don't really see that big of a problem. Sure, it bothers me that someone makes a team of six within five minutes, but it's not like he will harm my online experience (other than using legendaries, Charizard, Smogonbird, Klefki, Swordmon, Rotom and other overused Pokemon that are pain to watch anymore). So I doubt that it has anything to do with them working on hack checks. Nintendo favoring Japan over the rest of the world would be more likely than that.

All I can say about PokeBank is: Please Understand.

Nusdogg January 18th, 2014 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by atomtanned (Post 8046732)
That's true, but that still requires someone to track down one of the relatively small numbers of people who have a working version of PokeBank -- I'm sure there'd be WAY more hacks around if people could just upload their own willy nilly.

But it also depends on the guy who's transferring them for you. If he says no illegal Pokemon then no. Like the guy who helped me.

Layla-Mai January 19th, 2014 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nusdogg (Post 8047004)
But it also depends on the guy who's transferring them for you. If he says no illegal Pokemon then no. Like the guy who helped me.

If you can find a guy. Not many people downloaded bank, and then you'd have to find one of the few people who did, have them be willing to trade for you and not have such a stupid time difference that it was possible to be online at the same time to actually trade.
Plus you'd have to trust that they weren't going to screw you over. I'm not sure I'd trust a stranger with all my shinies and event pokemon, even if they did offer to help.

countryemo January 19th, 2014 1:46 AM

I'm pretty sure Nintendo said they would give a update some in the early 20's.

But I don't understand the uproar, if their working out some kinks I don't have a problem. Though I more so don't understand the need for it. Who catches enough pokemon to warrant all those extra boxes? And a cloud subsribtion pokemon storage service is the stupidest thing ever.

The tranfer part/app I could understand, though I like keeping my pokemon per version since I never complete them.

Nah January 19th, 2014 6:03 AM

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Originally Posted by countryemo (Post 8047253)
I'm pretty sure Nintendo said they would give a update some in the early 20's.

But I don't understand the uproar, if their working out some kinks I don't have a problem. Though I more so don't understand the need for it. Who catches enough pokemon to warrant all those extra boxes? And a cloud subsribtion pokemon storage service is the stupidest thing ever.

The tranfer part/app I could understand, though I like keeping my pokemon per version since I never complete them.

You'd be surprised at how many Pokemon a serious breeder can collect.

But the "uproar" is because we all expected Nintendo to make sure this service would be ready by the time they said it would be, but then didn't because they were somehow unable to see that Christmas+app they know will be popular worldwide+one of their most popular franchises=massive server strain, and probably didn't prepare for it as well as they should have.

But that by itself isn't the whole problem. What really turns this into an issue is that Nintendo has told us jack **** since saying "we'll give you more info on the Bank soon". Which was over 3 weeks ago. They did post a tweet the other day, but it was the exact same meaningless thing they already said. And its not like they're working out problems with the Bank. We know it works because a handful of Japanese people have it and it works (some people say that they're working on the hack check, but its just speculation).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 19th, 2014 10:45 AM

Nintendo has serious issues, projecting losses at the billions for the current fiscal year irc. So PokéBank is the least of their problems, literary.

Sopheria January 19th, 2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 8047875)
Nintendo has serious issues, projecting losses at the billions for the current fiscal year irc. So PokéBank is the least of their problems, literary.

I don't really buy that excuse. If the reason for the PokeBank delay is a projected loss in their profits, they should be more transparent and actually say "Postponed until we get our financial situation straightened out, which may be a year or two". No matter how you look at it or what excuses can be made on their part, they're handling it horribly.

Xander Olivieri January 19th, 2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zomgitscathy (Post 8047900)
I don't really buy that excuse. If the reason for the PokeBank delay is a projected loss in their profits, they should be more transparent and actually say "Postponed until we get our financial situation straightened out, which may be a year or two". No matter how you look at it or what excuses can be made on their part, they're handling it horribly.

They can't say things like that when its not relevant. Project loss isn't relevant to the delay even if its a reason to not work on it. They are handling it just as every other company handles it, so I don't see how they are handling it horribly. Just calm down people. Its not the end of the world.

Phangy January 19th, 2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Khrysta (Post 8047928)
They can't say things like that when its not relevant. Project loss isn't relevant to the delay even if its a reason to not work on it. They are handling it just as every other company handles it, so I don't see how they are handling it horribly. Just calm down people. Its not the end of the world.

other companies don't promise a product then pull it right before release and not clearly tell anyone what's going on or even if it will be out at all. Plus other companies tend to fix things pretty quick. Nintendo really messed up this thing and all people really want is some kind of solid news. It's just frustrating not knowing.

Layla-Mai January 19th, 2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Khrysta (Post 8047928)
They can't say things like that when its not relevant. Project loss isn't relevant to the delay even if its a reason to not work on it. They are handling it just as every other company handles it, so I don't see how they are handling it horribly. Just calm down people. Its not the end of the world.


No one has said it's the end of the world, just very frustrating! A lot of people were looking forward to it for months (I know I was). I imagine I'm not the only person who has stopped playing because of waiting for Bank either.

They are handling it badly. The lack of any news is bad. I've said it before in this thread but everyone would be much less irate if there was a vague idea. Even a "We're having issues with Pokebank, we hope to have it sorted in the next x months" would be brilliant. With the amount of people on social media, there's no need to leave a huge section of their fanbase in the dark completely.

The Feves January 19th, 2014 12:15 PM

Lots of companies push back release dates, even when they're a week away from the launch date. I think the main exception here is that PokeBank was actually on plan with their release up until the server crash. They must've taken that as a sign that they needed to do some tweaks, and in effect, really came off as an attack on their worldwide fanbase. Everyone wants details, and Nintendo is just one of those companies that likes to keep a tight lid on their inner-workings. Nintendo's main fault here is that they go to the press junkets and keep announcing the same unhelpful statement, "more details on Pokebank and PokeTransporter are coming soon".

I'd rather have the Bank work at 100% efficiency than see it get released haphazardly and full of little issues and glitches that could potentially lead to a cloud error and possible loss of very valuable Pokemon.

While I may not be happy with it, I'm willing to wait it out for something that's likely going to be an integral part of all future Pokemon games.

§1 January 19th, 2014 12:48 PM

hopefully, the free trial dates get pushed back with it

Princess Diana January 19th, 2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zomgitscathy (Post 8047900)
I don't really buy that excuse. If the reason for the PokeBank delay is a projected loss in their profits, they should be more transparent and actually say "Postponed until we get our financial situation straightened out, which may be a year or two". No matter how you look at it or what excuses can be made on their part, they're handling it horribly.

At least PokeBank would decrease those losses by few couple $5 :p


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