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Shadow Pokemon Vs Mega Pokemon
Who wins in a fight to the death between the Shadow Pokemon from the Colluseum & XD games and the Mega Evolutions from the X & Y games? Personally I think Shadow mons would beat the **** out of those beta Mega mons. Shadow Pokes don't need no stones or rings, they already have the power.
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Awesome topic. Anyway, my bias is kicking in and I want to say Shadow Pokemon, but you also have to consider they're stuck at whatever level they're on and stuck with whatever moveset they have. If we're going by XD's Shadow Pokemon, then that's a better judge than using Colosseum's. Plus, they changed the type chart in XD to make Shadow super effective on regular Pokemon. But I think with Shadow Pokemon being held back from getting stat gains and being stuck at whatever level they're on really hinders them and I think Mega Evolutions would win against them.
Overall though, I prefer Shadow Pokemon to Mega Evolutions. The concept behind them is more unique I believe. Also interesting to note that Shadow Pokemon have closed hearts, while Mega Evolutions require a bond with the trainer. And there are a few Pokemon that were shadow that now have Mega Evos, like Houndoom, Absol, and Tyranitar. And apparently they really like Dark types... |
Mega Pokemon would win. They are stronger and only specific Pokemon can become Mega Pokemon while anything can become a shadow Pokemon putting a lot more emphasis on the overall power of Mega Pokemon.
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Shadows are so OP that GF won't introduce them to the main games because no one would even make it to the elite four.
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Mega Evolution on the other hand requires a fully evolved pokemon to break beyond the physical limits and surpass everything in knows about its species to give a super boosted temporary evolution. It gains additional stats, abilities and types for some Pokemon. Mega Evolution improves the battle growth of a Pokemon while in that form while Shadow Pokemon have stunted growth until they have been released from the Shadow'd status. Not to mention a Shadow Pokemon does not have access to any of their normal attacks and only one or two Shadow variations that sometimes cause physical harm to the user, making them a double edges sword while in battle since they'll keep whittling down their own HP while attacking. |
Power/battle-wise, I unfortunately have to say Megas.
Asde from that, Shadows win at everything. Hands-down, no question. |
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As seen in the GC games, your regular Pokemon collectively prove to overcome the Shadow Pokemon. I think coming from like an emotional standpoint, yeah the Megas are going to triumph over the Pokemon deemed "fighting machines".
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What about a game with Mega Shadow Pokemon? XYD Gale of Colosseum.
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After reading through these posts maybe Mega's would have the advantage in a fight (barring Shadow Lugia perhaps?) but I still think the concept is lame. Who misses Wes? I do. :depressed: |
You seem quite adamant about Shadow Pokemon. Are you perhaps a member of Cipher?
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Well if I was going to join any of the bad guy organizations it would definitely be Cipher. They were arguably the most successful and connected organization in any of the games. They corrupted cities, politicians and Pokemon what more do you want?
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i would definitely have to agree with you guys that shadow pokemon take the cake. Colosseum was one of my favorite pokemon games and the only game that has rivaled it has been x and y. i would kill to see it remade on the 3ds. but yeah shadow pokemon ftw
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Shadow pokemon will triumph over everything. Just because MegaPokemon don't neccessarily do damage to themselves don't mean anything. And the only reason why normal pokemon overcome the shadow pokemon is because it is designed for you too. If it wasn't designed to then Shadow Pokemon would win. And Look at Shadow Moltres. Shadow Flame is a OHKO just like Shadow Bolt and Shadow Chill. XD001 aka Shadow Lugia is basically the only one that survived that. Don't forget the move that brings in a Shadow weather were normal pokemon and mega evolutions are effected except for shadow pokemon and it is permanent since it isn't a real weather. Point being Shadow Pokemon will win.
Edit: BTW IT WAS TEAM SNAGEM THAT FIRST CREATED SHADOW POKEMON NOT THE CIPHER ORGANIZATION. |
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Shadow Moltres vs. Mega-Kanghaskhan. Correct me if these calculations are off. 252+ SpA Shadow Moltres Shadow Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Kangaskhan: 176-208 (50 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Moltres: 292-343 (90.6 - 106.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO If you're unfamiliar with the format, the line endings sum it up: Shadow Fire is a guarenteed 2HKO against M-Kang, while M-Kang's return has a 37.5% chance to OHKO, and 100% chance of a 2HKO. Obviously if we're trying to generalize here, specific scenarios aren't exactly the most useful, but in most cases, Megas have increased stats and ways to take a non-STABed Shadow move, if not out-speeding the opponent and taking them out first. And btw, Cipher's Ein created the Shadow Pokemon didn't he? Snagem just helped collect the Pokemon (correct me if I'm wrong ._.). |
Well considering that there are no simulations to test that then your argument is invalid.
And also not all Shadow moves are Special moves. And there are Shadow Status affecting moves as well. So therefore a Shadow move could confuse you and then you could hurt yourself in confusion. |
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And Megas also have access to status moves, and weather. Point being, the only thing that differentiates the Shadows from the Megas is the ability to land super-effective hits. Megas with the right matchup can do this as well, in addition to buffed stats. |
Well considering Shadow was back in Gen 3 then all the megas would only have the movesets to that they normally would have in gen 3. And some megas didn't even exist in gen 3. And Shadow Moves are always Super Effective which ends in a 2x damage and 2x for weakness.
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And since Shadow moves have no type, they only go for 2x weakness, not 4x. |
I know but if it was critical as well then it would deal another 2x damage.
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As for the topic on hand... well, I think Megas do get a better boost (100 to base stats in total? Sometimes a bonus ability and typing change to benefit from as well?) than what Shadow Pokemon get (new moves that aren't necessarily better than what they would normally learn, mind, super effective on non-Shadow Pokemon). But in terms of concept, I prefer the Shadow one. Mega seems rather region-specific at the moment, but Shadow Pokemon introduces an interesting bunch of concepts. Pokemon battle with friendship, but go the other way and the result can be terrifying. Mega Pokemon require a stone or two, and the effects only last the battle. Shadow Pokemon? They remain shadow, until you work hard enough to get on their good side. And even then, you need the help of Celebi/Relix Stone, or a whole bunch of science (Purification Chamber) to totally reverse the effects. And Lugia was not far off from being unpurifiable to boot. And Mega Pokemon have control over their power - Shadow Pokemon may just as easily turn on trainers. In terms of concept, I feel Shadow Pokes are more interesting to me. And they're probably the ones I'd like to face less than Mega Pokemon if I was an actual Pokemon trainer. Thankfully I'm not. =p |
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Kang @any other ability: 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Moltres: 195-229 (60.5 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO I also assume OHKO means for both hits to take out the Moltres, so 292-343 is the total of both hits connecting. |
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