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Adlais December 24th, 2013 3:37 PM

The Newer Pokémon Games are not as good.
 
I think that the newer Pokémon games are not as good because it's not pixelated, the battles are more realistic. For me I take Pokémon as a cassic game. I want your opinion on this.

moon December 24th, 2013 3:52 PM

Like I said before... topics that fit into other sections don't need to be in Pokémon General. So I'll "move" this thread to Pokémon Gaming Central now, since you are talking about a comparison between new and old games. Games.

-moved

Sydian December 24th, 2013 6:08 PM

My opinion is stated in the PGC splash.

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"Whatever generation, we should all just learn to get along and love Pokemon, regardless."
If you really don't like the newer games, don't play them. No one is forcing you to. You're free to pick up your brick and play Red all day long if you please, and there's nothing wrong with that!

Outlier December 24th, 2013 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Adlais (Post 8003173)
I think that the newer Pokémon games are not as good because it's not pixelated, the battles are more realistic. For me I take Pokémon as a cassic game. I want your opinion on this.

Your reasons for the newer games not being as good seem sarcastic. I do think the first two generations set a gold standard that none of the games following it have managed to reach again. I still play the new games though and I'm satisfied for the most part.

Hikamaru December 24th, 2013 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Everlark (Post 8003352)
If you really don't like the newer games, don't play them. No one is forcing you to. You're free to pick up your brick and play Red all day long if you please, and there's nothing wrong with that!

As Syd here said, if you don't like newer generations then just don't play them. But personally I do think the newer generations are really great, I mean look at the awesome graphics in X and Y. You seriously can't hate that.

I'd still recommend giving the newer games a try when you can, it's always good to try new things!

Kanzler December 24th, 2013 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adlais (Post 8003173)
I think that the newer Pokémon games are not as good because it's not pixelated, the battles are more realistic. For me I take Pokémon as a cassic game. I want your opinion on this.

Yunno, I actually feel the same way with you. I haven't played X or Y yet, but I am already missing the pixels. How am I going play around with sprites now there aren't any left? I can use paint, but heaven knows if I can manipulate 3D graphics :( The pixels and the tediousness made Pokemon classic and I'm a bit sad to let it go :P

Terff December 24th, 2013 8:45 PM

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Yunno, I actually feel the same way with you. I haven't played X or Y yet, but I am already missing the pixels.
The lack of sprites was one thing that drove me away from the new games (and the darn fairy type! CURSES!!), I always loved the sprites but I guess I can live without them, meh, it's still pokemon :I

Sydian December 24th, 2013 9:04 PM

If you take the new 3D models and blow them up really big, they get pixely. :P

PlatinumDude December 25th, 2013 1:37 AM

I, for one, enjoy the newer games. While I only started with R/S/E, I've enjoyed the progress that Game Freak made with the games' graphics over the past three generations.

While I miss the sprites, as well as the original cries of the pre-Gen VI Pokemon, X/Y show how far Game Freak has come with the Pokemon games.

TheCollector December 25th, 2013 2:04 AM

I think the newer games tries too hard. However they still manage to make me interested in playing them and I must say I really enjoy the newer ones. I loved the concept of the Black & White where you could only play with the new additions of Pokémon until you beat the Elite Four. I haven't had time to digest all the impressions from X & Y to make a review of what i thought.

Spys December 25th, 2013 4:16 AM

I honestly don't mind any of the games. Although I miss the sprites and the tediousness of the game, its still Pokémon. Until Gamefreak makes into a completely different game, I'll keep playing them and I'll be satisfied.

trainer swil December 25th, 2013 5:07 AM

I probably would've agreed... Until Pokemon X and Y, they have reinvigorated the series on so many levels.

BobTheImam December 25th, 2013 8:32 AM

The biggest issue with the newer games is by far the crap pokemon they have inserted which lack creativity. I haven't played gen 6, but gen 5 was very well made once you get past the fact the newer pokemon sucked. In the older versions there was always dumb pokemon, but not at the level these newer games (gen 4-6) have had.

J20Hawkz December 25th, 2013 8:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheImam (Post 8004140)
The biggest issue with the newer games is by far the crap pokemon they have inserted which lack creativity. I haven't played gen 6, but gen 5 was very well made once you get past the fact the newer pokemon sucked. In the older versions there was always dumb pokemon, but not at the level these newer games (gen 4-6) have had.

I agree. Personally gen 5 and 6 pokemon are nothing special. Gen 6 by far has the worst set of pokemon to date. I can't really explain it, maybe I'm so into the gen 1 pokemon, any other gens don't appeal to me. Saying that I do like gens 2-4.

Out of the three current starters I can't decide which one to pick. Chespins final evolution just looks plain wrong, Fenekins final is basically a fox with a dress, only Gerninja looks pretty decent and they make it so its tongue is its scarf?

I got pokemon x today, haven't played it yet but watching youtube vids of pokemon x and y gameplay I was really impressed. Its like pokemon stadium/coliseum, but handheld.

I think they made up for the gen 6 starters by giving us the option to choose a gen 1 pokemon early on. Welcome back Charmander in all your fiery orange 3d glory.

Nah December 25th, 2013 8:45 AM

Nooooooostaaaaaaaaaaaaalgiaaaaaa googles!

Thats what it sounds like to me. I also find it laughable when people say stuff like "the newer pokemon designs aren't as good/lack creativity". People, we had a freakin' pile of sludge and a seal with one letter in its name changed back in Gen 1. Whether you like it or not, every single generation of Pokemon has had both good AND bad Pokemon designs.

And just because something's "classic" doesn't mean that all future entries have to be exactly the same as the original. Where's the fun in that?

I've been playing since the days of Red/Blue/Yellow, and I wouldn't ever want to go back to Gen 1 or Gen 2 anymore (espeically considering they have remakes that are better). Gen 1 was just really unrefined when you look at it. Total lack of balance.

But hey, if you aint into the newer stuff, that's fine too. People are entitled to their opinions....most of the time.

classiccartoonsftw December 25th, 2013 8:55 AM

I personally love all the main Pokemon games, from RBY to XY. But if you prefer the pixilated graphics of the older games, just stick with them. Don't feel like playing them? Try some ROM hacks based on them, like Pokemon Brown and Prism by Coolboyman, Pokemon Bronze by Freako, and anything made by Miksy91.

SadfaceSquirtle December 25th, 2013 2:20 PM

The newer Pokémon games can be just as ******, unoriginal and unashamedly franchise cowing as Nintendo/Gamefreak want it to be. But it would be nice to have something for the PC that turned to more senior Pokémon fans like myself. Since there are copyright laws and Nintendo doesn't seem to be interested, all that really exists are fan-made hacks and the like. Which isn't ideal.

Jet Pilot December 25th, 2013 2:53 PM

All gens have their perks, however I'm a huge fan of Gen I. Mainly because Alakazam was even more of a powerhouse than he is now. All gens have their perks, gen 5 for the graphics, 4 for plot, 3 for originality. Gen II was great in every aspect to me.

J20Hawkz December 25th, 2013 3:05 PM

A possible Sapphire/Ruby remake? Anyone read about this?

Yumetaro December 26th, 2013 7:27 AM

Looks like someone forgot to take off their Nostalgia Goggles before they went to work today.

Nah December 26th, 2013 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by J20Hawkz (Post 8004438)
A possible Sapphire/Ruby remake? Anyone read about this?

Rumors of a Ruby/Sapphire remake have been floating around for a while now. They aren't confirmed, and, as far as I know, Game Freak doesn't seem to have any plans to do them. But I kinda hope they do make remakes of R/S/E.

Outlier December 26th, 2013 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
Nooooooostaaaaaaaaaaaaalgiaaaaaa googles!

*sigh* It seems you can't even show love for the older gens without somebody using the "N" word. Seriously why do people use the word nostalgia as if it's some kind of slur or insult? It's really immature and I'm sick of it.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
Thats what it sounds like to me. I also find it laughable when people say stuff like "the newer pokemon designs aren't as good/lack creativity".

You find it funny that some people think that the older designs are better and more creative? You're right, people having different opinions from you is HILARIOUS!

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
People, we had a freakin' pile of sludge and a seal with one letter in its name changed back in Gen 1. Whether you like it or not, every single generation of Pokemon has had both good AND bad Pokemon designs.

You can make anything sound lame by describing it in such an apathetic way. The same way you said gen 1 had a "freaking pile of sludge", I could then say gen 6 has a "freaking key chain" or a "stupid floating sword".

Besides not everyone judges a design by it's "creativity". I for one judge a Pokemon's design simply off of whether I think it looks good. The inspiration of the design or whatever the Pokemon is based off comes second to whether it looks cute, cool, badass or whatever other adjective, so long as I think it looks like a good Pokemon. If I think it looks good then I will give it my kudos. If I think a Pokemon looks like crap then I will say so as well. It's all subjective.

I don't see why so many people think that after 6 generations and over 700 Pokemon that it's completely unfathomable that some people might say that they're running out of ideas.

And I know some people have been saying that since like gen 3 or whatever, but even then that's their opinion. And no one person speaks for everyone else so don't lump everybody into one group. I'm not saying you did that by the way but a lot of people do that to discredit people who don't agree with them.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
And just because something's "classic" doesn't mean that all future entries have to be exactly the same as the original. Where's the fun in that?

I don't believe he ever said that he wanted all future entries to be exactly the same as the originals were. He simply listed a few of the reasons and features that he misses from the older games.

I for example miss the 8 bit music the gameboy era of Pokemon games but I don't want all future games to go back and try and recreate those kind of sounds because it would be out of place.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
I've been playing since the days of Red/Blue/Yellow, and I wouldn't ever want to go back to Gen 1 or Gen 2 anymore (espeically considering they have remakes that are better). Gen 1 was just really unrefined when you look at it. Total lack of balance.

Yeah those games did have a fair amount of kinks and issues. It's almost as if they were the first installments of the series or something? ~_~

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8004153)
But hey, if you aint into the newer stuff, that's fine too. People are entitled to their opinions....most of the time.

Really because the way that you dismissed his opinion as being overly nostalgic seems to contradict this.

Nah December 26th, 2013 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Introvert (Post 8005357)
*sigh* It seems you can't even show love for the older gens without somebody using the "N" word. Seriously why do people use the word nostalgia as if it's some kind of slur or insult? It's really immature and I'm sick of it.



You find it funny that some people think that the older designs are better and more creative? You're right, people having different opinions from you is HILARIOUS!



You can make anything sound lame by describing it in such an apathetic way. The same way you said gen 1 had a "freaking pile of sludge", I could then say gen 6 has a "freaking key chain" or a "stupid floating sword".

Besides not everyone judges a design by it's "creativity". I for one judge a Pokemon's design simply off of whether I think it looks good. The inspiration of the design or whatever the Pokemon is based off comes second to whether it looks cute, cool, badass or whatever other adjective, so long as I think it looks like a good Pokemon. If I think it looks good then I will give it my kudos. If I think a Pokemon looks like crap then I will say so as well. It's all subjective.

I don't see why so many people think that after 6 generations and over 700 Pokemon that it's completely unfathomable that some people might say that they're running out of ideas.

And I know some people have been saying that since like gen 3 or whatever, but even then that's their opinion. And no one person speaks for everyone else so don't lump everybody into one group. I'm not saying you did that by the way but a lot of people do that to discredit people who don't agree with them.



I don't believe he ever said that he wanted all future entries to be exactly the same as the originals were. He simply listed a few of the reasons and features that he misses from the older games.

I for example miss the 8 bit music the gameboy era of Pokemon games but I don't want all future games to go back and try and recreate those kind of sounds because it would be out of place.



Yeah those games did have a fair amount of kinks and issues. It's almost as if they were the first installments of the series or something? ~_~



Really because the way that you dismissed his opinion as being overly nostalgic seems to contradict this.

...I was wondering when someone was gonna come along and rip my post apart.

Look, all I'm saying is that just because someone thinks that the newer games/pokemon are bad doesn't mean that they are actually bad (since a lot of people seem to enjoy them). I just don't like it when some people believe that their opinion is a fact.

I use the term nostalgia googles because an awful lot of people who dislike the newer generations do so only because of nostalgia (not saying you or the TC is like that, but you never know). There's nothing wrong with prefering the older generations, so long as its not because of some blind, nostalgia-filled hate for the newer stuff.

I am aware that this topic is completely subjective, and I never said that the newer generations don't have any bad pokemon. I said every single generation has good and bad Pokemon designs (which I didn't say was solely based on creativity). But I agree, after 6 generations and hundreds of Pokemon, its not unthinkable that they'd be running out of ideas. And I'll admit my use of the word "laughable" wasn't the best of my word choices.

It didn't sound to me like he was saying that he missed certain features, but maybe I just misinterpreted what the TC was saying.

The reason I brought up that I don't wanna go back to Gens 1 or 2 is because a lotta Genwunners (not pointing fingers here) run about acting as if Gens 1 and 2 didn't have any problems when they in fact did have problems.

About my last sentence in my first post: I'm not the kind of person who's a douche and dismisses other people's opinions. Sure, I might not agree with your opinion, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna stubbornly be like "you're wrong and you can't think that way".

My post wasn't really directed at anyone in particular. It was a sort of knee-jerk reaction because this kind of thread often attracts the "gen 1/2 was the best gen but I have no reasons to back it up" kind of people (who are one of the 3 types of people I don't like in this world).

OK?

Outlier December 26th, 2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8005393)
...I was wondering when someone was gonna come along and rip my post apart.

Sorry but this whole thing with people using the word nostalgia to insult someone or belittle their opinion is so commonplace nowadays that I feel the need to address it when I see it. It's like calling someone a hipster for not liking mainstream music.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8005393)
Look, all I'm saying is that just because someone thinks that the newer games/pokemon are bad doesn't mean that they are actually bad (since a lot of people seem to enjoy them). I just don't like it when some people believe that their opinion is a fact.

Nobody said their opinions were facts though. The OP didn't even say that the new games are bad. He just said he thinks the newer games aren't as good as the older ones, and he listed a few reasons why he felt that way.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8005393)
I use the term nostalgia googles because an awful lot of people who dislike the newer generations do so only because of nostalgia (not saying you or the TC is like that, but you never know). There's nothing wrong with prefering the older generations, so long as its not because of some blind, nostalgia-filled hate for the newer stuff.

The beginning of your first post in this thread "Nostalgia goggles! That's what it sounds like to me." implies you were addressing him specifically and not just making a general statement. And even if you were making a general statement that's fine. I'm just saying that not liking something new doesn't mean you're overly nostalgic. You say a lot of people are and maybe that's true but there are also a lot of people who genuinely feel that there's been a drop in quality in the series as the generations go on.

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Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8005393)
I am aware that this topic is completely subjective, and I never said that the newer generations don't have any bad pokemon. I said every single generation has good and bad Pokemon designs (which I didn't say was solely based on creativity). But I agree, after 6 generations and hundreds of Pokemon, its not unthinkable that they'd be running out of ideas. And I'll admit my use of the word "laughable" wasn't the best of my word choices.

I was referring to when you said that you laugh when people say that the new Pokemon aren't as good or creative. And I was also addressing the way you described the gen 1 Pokemon in your examples.

I won't address the rest of your post because we seem to be on the same page more or less. Plus in my mind Pokemon isn't something worth going back and forth with essay lengthed responses. Trust me I'm not usually such a righteous ass over something as petty as a video game. But I just feel like it's near impossible to criticize the newer games or praise the older games without being dismissed or starting a gen war. I think it speaks volumes about the community as a whole. Not just PC but all Pokemon Forums, I've noticed it everywhere.

Xander Olivieri December 26th, 2013 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Introvert (Post 8005471)
I was referring to when you said that you laugh when people say that the new Pokemon aren't as good or creative. And I was also addressing the way you described the gen 1 Pokemon in your examples.

Only touching this point. I want to point out that the way people describe the new Pokemon is exactly how he described the Gen 1 Pokemon in an albeit mocking manner.

Gen 5 was full of. "OMG Trashbag? Are you serious?" or "Its just icecream so uncreative." They also did describe Klefki as "Just a keychain", "A freaking keychain", and honedge was refered to as "Just a freakin sword." Some people complained about Honedge pulling the Magnemite/Klink thing being a single sword (Magnemite and Klink), becoming 2 swords (Magneton and Klank), then becoming one large sword (Magnezone).

Compared to any one generation, Generation 1 if made during any other point in time, has the most unoriginal group of Pokemon. A rock, a bunch of eggs, a magnet, a pile of sludge, a ball, a coconut tree, a plain big eyed balloon. They were creative because they were first, but compared to the ideas they come out with now, they really are unimaginative.

Yes every generation has their undesirable Pokemon. Newer generations have a biased dislike for newer designs because, lets face facts, a lot of fans have their own preferences. They tend to like specific generations more than others and hold those generations on a high pedestal. Nothing Gamefreak does will ever be better than those games to the eyes of those fans and EVERY fan has that feeling.

I grew up to Pokemon so I was around since the beginning and even I have a preference to the first generation. Barely any of my top 10 are outside of the first generation, but every new generation adds more that I tend to like. I have generations that just ruined the games for me but not enough to make me completely bitter towards Pokemon as some fans are.

I happen to love the two newest generations despite the negative comments that are so easily thrown around about the two even with my Gen 1 preference. A gen wunner that can get past the nostalgia goggles can see the same things I see.

Now in an opposite turn, I'm afraid of a few new Pokemon because they seem a little too much for the Pokemon world in my opinion. I see it as they put too much effort into the Pokemon in an attempt to make them popular. Things like Inkay, Pancham, Sylveon and those with unorthodox evolution methods seem a bit over the top, but I don't find them uncreative.


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