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New allrouder team
I've been playing pokemon for a while now and only recently started online battling, realizing how much I s**k. So I'm looking to make a team from scratch for competitive battling. I have almost every game 3rd gen onwards, so getting pokemon is no problem. The only problem is that I don't know which pokemon to choose, what natures, stats to train, etc.. I've read up on IVs and EVs, so I know what they are and how to increase them. Can you guy suggest teams for single, doubles, triples, rotations or all-in-one? I don't get much time to play games, about 1~2 hours, 3 tops.
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It would be nice to have something to go on. What playstyle do you prefer (offense, bulky offense, balance, semi-stall, stall)? Do you have any interest in a particular Pokemon, or would you rather use the absolute best Pokemon available?
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I want to aviod legendarys. I think I'd go with either offense or bulky offense. What's the difference?
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So bulky offense it is. I need the defense. And I'll need item info too.
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Before deciding on items, you need to decide on which Pokemon you are going to use, as this will determine what items you would likely use.
So, with that said what pokemon do you like? or what types do you like? Do you want to stick within a specific tier? |
I'll go with any pokemon, but as I said, I want to avoid legendarys,
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It's difficult to help you with teambuilding when we have little to go off of. It helps if you at least name some specific Pokemon. We could go from there. Not only that, but its YOUR team, not ours. I could just say "use these 6 pokes like this", but where's the fun in that?
For the sake of this thread and your team, I'll start by offering up one Pokemon for your team: -Rotom Wash w/Chesto Berry Nature: Bold Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP, 248 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense Moves: Hydro Pump, Thunderbolt/Volt Switch, Will-oWisp, Rest Everyone's favorite household appliance. Yeah, everybody and their mom's mon uses it, but whatever. It fits the bulky offense theme you're going for, and it wrecks Talonflame (who is everywhere these days). You cool with that? |
Hmm, how about Golurk, Snorlax, Mandibuzz, Blastoise, Lapras, Mega Blaziken? Rotom is cool with me.
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Now we can do some work.
Let's start with Snorlax. Snorlax makes for a good Assault Vest user: -Snorlax w/Assault Vest Nature: Adamant/Careful Ability: Thick Fat EVs: 252 HP, 40 Defense, 212 Sp.Defense Moves: Body Slam/Return, Earthquake, Wild Charge, Crunch/Pursuit Something like that should work. Mandibuzz is pretty good this gen: -Mandibuzz w/Leftovers: Nature: Bold Ability: Overcoat EVs: 248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed Moves: Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt or -Mandibuzz w/Leftovers Nature: Bold Ability: Overcoat EVs: 252 HP, 248 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense Moves: Roost, Foul Play, Taunt, Defog You're also gonna have to pick between the 3 Water types on your list. There's little need to have more than 1 or 2 water type on a team. Rotom does have alternate forms with different typing, btw. So which water poke do you wanna go with? |
Lapras, 'cause it's ice type would be good against dragons.
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Vaporeon: -Wish -Protect -Scald -Ice Beam/Roar/Toxic Nature: Bold EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb Jellicent: -Scald/Shadow Ball/Night Shade -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic -Recover -Taunt Nature: Bold EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef Item: Leftovers or -Scald -Shadow Ball/Ice Beam -Will-o-Wisp -Recover Nature: Calm EVs: 248 HP/36 Def/224 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb or -Water Spout -Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald -Shadow Ball -Ice Beam/Giga Drain Nature: Modets EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe Item: Choice Specs Ability: Water Absorb Clawitzer: -Water Pulse -Aura Sphere -Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse -Dark Pulse/U-turn Nature: Modest EVs: 164 HP/252 SAtk/92 Spe Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs Tentacruel: -Scald -Sludge Bomb -Rapid Spin -Toxic/Knock Off Nature: Bold EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe Item: Black Sludge Ability: Liquid Ooze Mega Blastoise: -Water Pulse/Scald -Dark Pulse -Aura Sphere/Ice Beam -Rapid Spin Nature: Modest EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef Item: Blastoisinite Gyarados: -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Earthquake -Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute Nature: Adamant EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe Item: Gyaradosite Ability: Intimidate or -Substitute/Taunt -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Bounce/Earthquake Nature: Adamant EVs: 120 HP/64 Atk/100 Def/224 Spe Item: Leftovers Ability: Intimidate or -Rest -Sleep Talk -Waterfall -Roar/Dragon Tail Nature: Impish EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Intimidate Gastrodon -Scald -Earthquake/Earth Power -Ice Beam/Toxic -Recover Nature: Relaxed/Bold EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Storm Drain Azumarill: -Waterfall -Aqua Jet -Play Rough -Superpower Nature: Adamant EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe Item: Choice Band Ability: Huge Power or -Belly Drum -Aqua Jet -Play Rough -Waterfall/Superpower Nature: Adamant EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe Item: Sitrus Berry Ability: Huge Power or -Aqua Jet -Play Rough -Power-Up Punch -Waterfall/Knock Off Nature: Adamant EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef Item: Assault Vest Ability: Huge Power |
What team you build is also dependent on what tier or format you choose to battle in. The 'mon you picked are all over the place in tiers. For singles, I believe Mega Blaziken is banned to Ubers. Mandibuzz and Golurk I believe still reside in NU. The others, I haven't the vaguest idea but I think they're scattered between the middle tiers. (Okay, I don't know any of them but point still stands.)
When it comes to doubles, especially VGC doubles, the general idea is to forget everything you've learned from Smogon singles. The strategy, team building, everything is pretty different. Since you said you have only a few hours to play, I highly suggest you sit down and take some serious thought about what format you would like to focus on. Spreading what little time you have across anything and everything is inefficient and it's easy to get overwhelmed. |
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The point still stands. Playing around with a mixed team like that, it's difficult for a new battler to stand a chance in Ubers, which is where he'd be relegated to thanks to Mega Blaziken. Unless Blaziken got dropped to OU... which will still be troublesome.
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I'll prefer a singles team
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Are you playing in-game WiFi, or Pokemon Showdown?
IV breeding is time consuming, not as much as previous gens, but still it took me 10 hours to get a perfect Mandibuzz. IVs aren't as important as Strategy and Knowing the Meta Game. Ignore IVs for the moment. If you play Showdown, on a computer, you can just plug in the numbers and fight. You can learn and experiment much faster there. only down side the graphics are dated. |
In game Wi-Fi battles in battlespot. And how do you get a Vollaby in the first place? Other than friend safari, of course
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Only way to get a Vullaby is via a Friend Safari. Or you could go to the Trade Plaza here and ask for one in the X/Y Quick Trade thread.
EDIT: ah, ninja'd. |
Okay, so I'll need Zekrom's friend safari. And what all types should I have in team? Again, I like singles only, so that's my preference. And I'm gonna play on Battle Spot, against my friends and maybe in the battle seasons.
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lol, I totally forgot that my Safari has Vullabies in it even though though it says that in my sig which is in ever post I post I make. Guess I pay too much attention to Junko's face, and lots of people have wanted my safari for Crawdaunt and/or Sableye.
My FC is 0619-4178-0907. In game name is Stella. Add me and post your FC. I'll add you back tomorrow (I'm gonna be at college aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall day and don't have my 3DS on me). And all the pokemon info we've given you so far is for singles. |
Can someone tell me the the various pokemon types I should include in my team?
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Types, as in Water, Fire, etc, or types as in roles likes sweeper, tank, etc?
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The former, so that I'll be prepared against any type match-up
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It's really difficult to be completely prepared for every type match up. All types have thier uses, but some are a little bit more important. And the Pokemon themselves don't necessarily have to be of these types either; having moves of those types is sometimes enough.
The major types to consider are: Ground, Fighting, Dark, Ghost, Fire, Dragon, Fairy, Steel, Water, Ice, Electric, and Rock. Probably forgot something, but those are certainly important. |
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Aww shizz, i accidentally trained sp atk to 175...
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http://www.serebii.net/xy/berryfields.shtml |
Meh, i already reset the game. I new about the berrie and reset bag, but i didn't feel like doing it.
So which six pokemon shoul I include in my team? I've already gotten a Gyarados ready, am breeding the Vullaby. So I need four more Pokes now. |
While a bidoof would fit your team well, I think it's pretty overpowered so maybe steer clear. So you have a physical sweeper and a defensive poke/defogger, so how about a special sweeper now? Something like a focus sashed Alakazam or life orbed Gengar could work, or some kind of mega poke. Are there any preferred mega you want to use?
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Alakazam would be best I guess. Would Aegislash be a good addition, because of it's King's Shield?
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Alakazam would do pretty well for your team, however it isn't a "Bulky Offensive" Poke.
A potential moveset could be: Alakazam @ Life Orb Magic Guard Modest/Timid 6 HP, 252 SpAtk, 252 Spe -Psychic/Psyshock -Focus Blast -Shadow Ball -Substitute/Anything Else This set allows you to have lots of coverage, against Dark Types, Rock, Ghost, etc Also, you could sacrifice one of the moves for Dazzling Gleam if you'd rather the coverage against Dragons & The Like Also, I wouldn't waste my Mega Stone on Alakazam. While it does make him more viable, he is good enough without it & there are perhaps some better uses to having a different Poke with a Mega Stone. Other choices could include Mega Mawhile, Mega Lucario, Etc would be good options (Unless you choose to use Aegislash). I don't know how viable Mega Ampharos is in OU, but she could be an interesting option Edit: Mega Ampharos probably isn't a good option, didn't realize her Speed stat was so low. Would definitely do work on a Trick Room team. However, she can certainly be defined as a "Bulky Offensive" Poke Edit 2: I just though of a possible set for her,despite how bad she may be w/o Trick Room. Since I'm new at this, someone please critique me & let me know if Mega Ampharos is even viable w/ & w/o Trick Room. Nevertheless: Ampharos @ Ampharosite Static/(Mold Breaker) Modest/I Don't Know 252 HP, 252 SpAtk, 6 Spe -Dragon Pulse -Thunderbolt/Thunder -Focus Blast/Signal Beam (Maybe?) -Volt Switch This Set would be a good definition of "Bulky Offensive" as Mega Ampharos can dish out damage & certainly be capable of taking a few non-resisted attacks. Dragon Pulse & Thunderbolt/Thunder are there for stab. Focus Blast is there for some coverage (Perhaps Signal Beam is also viable for Psychics? Idk....) and Volt Switch is there just incase it is necessary to Switch Out because of a Fairy Type,etc. Even though, now that I realize it, her terrible speed probably makes her a very bad Volt Switcher. Oh well, perhaps you could use something else to replace that. |
Porygon-Z also seems like a legit contender, no?
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According to Serebii, PorygonZ is the second best non legendary special attack pokemon, after Alakazam.
Edit: So it's either Alakazam or PorygonZ. |
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Alakazam: -Psyshock -Shadow Ball -Focus Blast -Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Dazzling Gleam Nature: Timid/Modest EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash/Alakazite Ability: Magic Guard Volcarona: -Quiver Dance -Fire Blast/Fiery Dance -Bug Buzz -Hidden Power (Rock/Ground)/Psychic Nature: Timid EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry Ability: Flame Body |
Alakazam it is. Next up: lead
I was thinking maybe Forretress |
And is Aerodactyl or it's mega viable?
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Regular Aerodactyl wasn't bad last gen, but I'm not sure how well it'd faire in gen 6. It'd probably be best to go with Mega Aerodactly, and Alakzam can do alright without mega evolving.
Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team? |
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-Stone Edge/Rock Slide -Fire Fang -Ice Fang/Aqua Tail -Aerial Ace/Roost Nature: Adamant/Jolly EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe Item: Aerodactylite |
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Mandibuzz: -Foul Play -Roost -Taunt/Whirlwind -Defog/Toxic/Knock Off Nature: Bold/Impish EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Overcoat Gyarados: -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Earthquake -Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute Nature: Adamant EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe Item: Gyaradosite Ability: Intimidate |
Those are the ones I'm using. For the electric and fighting weakness, how about a ground type? And a fighting type is needed too. Would golem and chesnaught suffice?
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-Leech Seed -Spiky Shield -Hammer Arm -Synthesis/Roar/Seed Bomb/Stone Edge Nature: Impish EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Bulletproof |
Gliscor might be a good additon to the team as well:
-Gliscor w/Toxic Orb Nature: Impish Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 248 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Speed Moves: Earthquake, Roost, Knock Off, Toxic or -Gliscor w/Toxic Orb Nature: Impish Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 244 HP, 40 Defense, 224 Speed Moves: Earthquake, Substitute, Toxic, Protect/Knock Off/Roost |
On the mandibuzz, can you suggest a move other than roost and foul play? I can't seem to get those moves + nature and ability. I've filled up a box and a half.
Mandibular w/Leftovers: Nature: Bold Ability: Overcoat 248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt |
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-Foul Play -Roost -Defog -Toxic/Whirlwind/Knock Off Nature: Bold/Impish EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef Item: Leftovers Ability: Overcoat |
Okay how about
Knock off/giga impact/ |
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How about
Knock off/Giga Impact/Toxic/Rest ? |
How about Substitute + Giga Impact
I consider it to be more of a wall, though |
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Yes, I understood. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we use substitute and then giga impact, we won't be open to damage
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You don't ever wanna skip a turn, even if behind a Sub; it wastes the shielding a Sub provides. And Mandibuzz's Attack is too low to make use of Giga Impact anyway (Knock Off is to cripple item dependent pokes, while Foul Play uses the other Pokémon's Attack stat). |
Okay, I'll keep trying. Can I have a poke other than Chesnaught? I just realized that it won't work out..
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Iirc, Chesnaught was suggested as the team's Electric/Fighting resist. Gliscor (which I mentioned on the 2nd page) works nicely. If you can't get one with Poison Heal, then Gourgesut or Trevenant are good as well:
-Super Size Gourgeist w/Leftovers Nature: Impish Ability: Frisk EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense Moves: Leech Seed, Wili-o-Wisp, Shadow Sneak, Seed Bomb or Small Size Gourgeist w/Leftovers Nature: Jolly Ability: Frisk EVs: 252 HP, 72 Defense, 184 Speed Moves: Will-o-Wisp, Leech Seed, Seed Bomb, Protect/Substitute -Trevenant w/Sitrus Berry Nature: Impish Ability: Harvest EVs: 252 HP, 180 Defense, 76 Speed Moves: Leech Seed, Substitute/Protect, Will-o-Wisp, Phantom Force/Shadow Claw or Trevenant w/Leftovers or Lum Berry Nature: Impish/Adamant Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP, 180 Defense, 76 Speed Moves: Horn Leech, Earthquake/Rock Slide, Will-o-Wisp, Rest |
Alright! I've got a gliscor. Now I need 2 more pokes to finish the team. How about a Forretress for an opener?
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Then could you suggest some?
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Scizor @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) -Bullet Punch -U Turn -Pursuit -Defog Is this good? I found it while browsing marriland. |
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-U-turn -Bullet Punch -Superpower -Pursuit/Knock Off Nature: Adamant EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef Item: Choice Band Ability: Technician or -U-turn -Bullet Punch/Knock Off -Defog -Roost Nature: Impish EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Def Item: Scizorite |
How about a not-to-be-♥♥♥♥led-with Shuckle?
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My suggestion is dont go offensive. Thats what I try to run and I get nailed to the way by people that half way know what they are doing.
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