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pokemanman January 21st, 2014 9:24 AM

New allrouder team
 
I've been playing pokemon for a while now and only recently started online battling, realizing how much I s**k. So I'm looking to make a team from scratch for competitive battling. I have almost every game 3rd gen onwards, so getting pokemon is no problem. The only problem is that I don't know which pokemon to choose, what natures, stats to train, etc.. I've read up on IVs and EVs, so I know what they are and how to increase them. Can you guy suggest teams for single, doubles, triples, rotations or all-in-one? I don't get much time to play games, about 1~2 hours, 3 tops.

wolf January 21st, 2014 10:02 AM

It would be nice to have something to go on. What playstyle do you prefer (offense, bulky offense, balance, semi-stall, stall)? Do you have any interest in a particular Pokemon, or would you rather use the absolute best Pokemon available?

pokemanman January 21st, 2014 10:20 AM

I want to aviod legendarys. I think I'd go with either offense or bulky offense. What's the difference?

dreyko January 21st, 2014 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8051146)
I want to aviod legendarys. I think I'd go with either offense or bulky offense. What's the difference?

In two nutshells, Offense is generally focused on Speed and the attack stats to score some quick KO's and to hit hard. Bulky offense is almost the same except it generally uses bulkier pokemon with good defenses/defensive typing who also have the capacity to hit hard as well.

pokemanman January 21st, 2014 10:35 AM

So bulky offense it is. I need the defense. And I'll need item info too.

dreyko January 21st, 2014 10:45 AM

Before deciding on items, you need to decide on which Pokemon you are going to use, as this will determine what items you would likely use.

So, with that said what pokemon do you like? or what types do you like? Do you want to stick within a specific tier?

pokemanman January 21st, 2014 10:51 AM

I'll go with any pokemon, but as I said, I want to avoid legendarys,

Nah January 21st, 2014 4:45 PM

It's difficult to help you with teambuilding when we have little to go off of. It helps if you at least name some specific Pokemon. We could go from there. Not only that, but its YOUR team, not ours. I could just say "use these 6 pokes like this", but where's the fun in that?

For the sake of this thread and your team, I'll start by offering up one Pokemon for your team:

-Rotom Wash w/Chesto Berry
Nature: Bold
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP, 248 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense
Moves: Hydro Pump, Thunderbolt/Volt Switch, Will-oWisp, Rest

Everyone's favorite household appliance. Yeah, everybody and their mom's mon uses it, but whatever. It fits the bulky offense theme you're going for, and it wrecks Talonflame (who is everywhere these days).

You cool with that?

pokemanman January 22nd, 2014 2:33 AM

Hmm, how about Golurk, Snorlax, Mandibuzz, Blastoise, Lapras, Mega Blaziken? Rotom is cool with me.

Nah January 22nd, 2014 5:13 AM

Now we can do some work.

Let's start with Snorlax. Snorlax makes for a good Assault Vest user:

-Snorlax w/Assault Vest
Nature: Adamant/Careful
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP, 40 Defense, 212 Sp.Defense
Moves: Body Slam/Return, Earthquake, Wild Charge, Crunch/Pursuit

Something like that should work.

Mandibuzz is pretty good this gen:

-Mandibuzz w/Leftovers:
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed
Moves: Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt

or

-Mandibuzz w/Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP, 248 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense
Moves: Roost, Foul Play, Taunt, Defog

You're also gonna have to pick between the 3 Water types on your list. There's little need to have more than 1 or 2 water type on a team. Rotom does have alternate forms with different typing, btw. So which water poke do you wanna go with?

pokemanman January 22nd, 2014 8:42 AM

Lapras, 'cause it's ice type would be good against dragons.

PlatinumDude January 22nd, 2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8052725)
Lapras, 'cause it's ice type would be good against dragons.

Lapras and other Water/Ice Pokemon are terrible for bulky offensive roles because of their common weaknesses to Grass, Electric, Rock and Fighting. Nearly every Water Pokemon learns Ice Beam, so there's no need for the secondary Ice type to hinder its defensive capabilities. Other bulky Water Pokemon to use are Vaporeon, Jellicent, Clawitzer, Tentacruel, Mega Blastoise, (Mega) Gyarados, Gastrodon and Azumarill:

Vaporeon:
-Wish
-Protect
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Roar/Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Jellicent:
-Scald/Shadow Ball/Night Shade
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/36 Def/224 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald
-Shadow Ball
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modets
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

Clawitzer:
-Water Pulse
-Aura Sphere
-Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 164 HP/252 SAtk/92 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs

Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze

Mega Blastoise:
-Water Pulse/Scald
-Dark Pulse
-Aura Sphere/Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Blastoisinite

Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Substitute/Taunt
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Bounce/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 HP/64 Atk/100 Def/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall
-Roar/Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

Gastrodon
-Scald
-Earthquake/Earth Power
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Waterfall/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Power-Up Punch
-Waterfall/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

Griffinbane January 22nd, 2014 2:22 PM

What team you build is also dependent on what tier or format you choose to battle in. The 'mon you picked are all over the place in tiers. For singles, I believe Mega Blaziken is banned to Ubers. Mandibuzz and Golurk I believe still reside in NU. The others, I haven't the vaguest idea but I think they're scattered between the middle tiers. (Okay, I don't know any of them but point still stands.)

When it comes to doubles, especially VGC doubles, the general idea is to forget everything you've learned from Smogon singles. The strategy, team building, everything is pretty different.

Since you said you have only a few hours to play, I highly suggest you sit down and take some serious thought about what format you would like to focus on. Spreading what little time you have across anything and everything is inefficient and it's easy to get overwhelmed.

PlatinumDude January 22nd, 2014 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffinbane (Post 8053159)
What team you build is also dependent on what tier or format you choose to battle in. The 'mon you picked are all over the place in tiers. For singles, I believe Mega Blaziken is banned to Ubers. Mandibuzz and Golurk I believe still reside in NU. The others, I haven't the vaguest idea but I think they're scattered between the middle tiers. (Okay, I don't know any of them but point still stands.)

When it comes to doubles, especially VGC doubles, the general idea is to forget everything you've learned from Smogon singles. The strategy, team building, everything is pretty different.

Since you said you have only a few hours to play, I highly suggest you sit down and take some serious thought about what format you would like to focus on. Spreading what little time you have across anything and everything is inefficient and it's easy to get overwhelmed.

Mandibuzz became one of the most used Pokemon in X/Y, so it's a valid option. The same can't be said for Golurk.

Griffinbane January 22nd, 2014 4:43 PM

The point still stands. Playing around with a mixed team like that, it's difficult for a new battler to stand a chance in Ubers, which is where he'd be relegated to thanks to Mega Blaziken. Unless Blaziken got dropped to OU... which will still be troublesome.

pokemanman January 23rd, 2014 5:06 AM

I'll prefer a singles team

SnowpointQuincy January 23rd, 2014 7:48 AM

Are you playing in-game WiFi, or Pokemon Showdown?

IV breeding is time consuming, not as much as previous gens, but still it took me 10 hours to get a perfect Mandibuzz. IVs aren't as important as Strategy and Knowing the Meta Game. Ignore IVs for the moment.

If you play Showdown, on a computer, you can just plug in the numbers and fight. You can learn and experiment much faster there. only down side the graphics are dated.

pokemanman January 23rd, 2014 12:01 PM

In game Wi-Fi battles in battlespot. And how do you get a Vollaby in the first place? Other than friend safari, of course

PlatinumDude January 23rd, 2014 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8054978)
In game Wi-Fi battles in battlespot. And how do you get a Vollaby in the first place? Other than friend safari, of course

I'm afraid the Friend Safari is the only place you can get Vullaby in-game.

Nah January 23rd, 2014 12:08 PM

Only way to get a Vullaby is via a Friend Safari. Or you could go to the Trade Plaza here and ask for one in the X/Y Quick Trade thread.


EDIT: ah, ninja'd.

pokemanman January 23rd, 2014 12:24 PM

Okay, so I'll need Zekrom's friend safari. And what all types should I have in team? Again, I like singles only, so that's my preference. And I'm gonna play on Battle Spot, against my friends and maybe in the battle seasons.

Nah January 23rd, 2014 12:42 PM

lol, I totally forgot that my Safari has Vullabies in it even though though it says that in my sig which is in ever post I post I make. Guess I pay too much attention to Junko's face, and lots of people have wanted my safari for Crawdaunt and/or Sableye.


My FC is 0619-4178-0907. In game name is Stella. Add me and post your FC. I'll add you back tomorrow (I'm gonna be at college aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall day and don't have my 3DS on me).


And all the pokemon info we've given you so far is for singles.

pokemanman January 24th, 2014 11:10 AM

Can someone tell me the the various pokemon types I should include in my team?

Nah January 24th, 2014 11:22 AM

Types, as in Water, Fire, etc, or types as in roles likes sweeper, tank, etc?

pokemanman January 24th, 2014 12:26 PM

The former, so that I'll be prepared against any type match-up

Nah January 24th, 2014 1:40 PM

It's really difficult to be completely prepared for every type match up. All types have thier uses, but some are a little bit more important. And the Pokemon themselves don't necessarily have to be of these types either; having moves of those types is sometimes enough.

The major types to consider are: Ground, Fighting, Dark, Ghost, Fire, Dragon, Fairy, Steel, Water, Ice, Electric, and Rock. Probably forgot something, but those are certainly important.

pokemanman January 25th, 2014 9:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8053015)
Lapras and other Water/Ice Pokemon are terrible for bulky offensive roles because of their common weaknesses to Grass, Electric, Rock and Fighting. Nearly every Water Pokemon learns Ice Beam, so there's no need for the secondary Ice type to hinder its defensive capabilities. Other bulky Water Pokemon to use are Vaporeon, Jellicent, Clawitzer, Tentacruel, Mega Blastoise, (Mega) Gyarados, Gastrodon and Azumarill:

Vaporeon:
-Wish
-Protect
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Roar/Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Jellicent:
-Scald/Shadow Ball/Night Shade
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/36 Def/224 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald
-Shadow Ball
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modets
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

Clawitzer:
-Water Pulse
-Aura Sphere
-Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 164 HP/252 SAtk/92 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs

Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze

Mega Blastoise:
-Water Pulse/Scald
-Dark Pulse
-Aura Sphere/Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Blastoisinite

Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Substitute/Taunt
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Bounce/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 HP/64 Atk/100 Def/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall
-Roar/Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

Gastrodon
-Scald
-Earthquake/Earth Power
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Waterfall/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Power-Up Punch
-Waterfall/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

What does "spe" stand for? Sp defense or sp attack?

PlatinumDude January 25th, 2014 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8058506)
What does "spe" stand for? Sp defense or sp attack?

Speed. That's the Smogon abbreviation for Speed. SAtk (Serebii's abbreviation) or SpA (Smogon's abbreviation) is for Special Attack.

pokemanman January 25th, 2014 10:38 AM

Aww shizz, i accidentally trained sp atk to 175...

Nah January 25th, 2014 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8058602)
Aww shizz, i accidentally trained sp atk to 175...

You can fix that with the EV reducing berries or a reset bag. The EV berries are only obtainable via mutations. This page tells you what you need to know:

http://www.serebii.net/xy/berryfields.shtml

pokemanman January 26th, 2014 1:50 AM

Meh, i already reset the game. I new about the berrie and reset bag, but i didn't feel like doing it.

So which six pokemon shoul I include in my team? I've already gotten a Gyarados ready, am breeding the Vullaby. So I need four more Pokes now.

WonderfulWhiscash January 29th, 2014 10:24 AM

While a bidoof would fit your team well, I think it's pretty overpowered so maybe steer clear. So you have a physical sweeper and a defensive poke/defogger, so how about a special sweeper now? Something like a focus sashed Alakazam or life orbed Gengar could work, or some kind of mega poke. Are there any preferred mega you want to use?

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 3:08 AM

Alakazam would be best I guess. Would Aegislash be a good addition, because of it's King's Shield?

Draven1234 January 30th, 2014 4:38 AM

Alakazam would do pretty well for your team, however it isn't a "Bulky Offensive" Poke.
A potential moveset could be:

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Magic Guard
Modest/Timid
6 HP, 252 SpAtk, 252 Spe
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute/Anything Else

This set allows you to have lots of coverage, against Dark Types, Rock, Ghost, etc
Also, you could sacrifice one of the moves for Dazzling Gleam if you'd rather the coverage against Dragons & The Like
Also, I wouldn't waste my Mega Stone on Alakazam. While it does make him more viable, he is good enough without it & there are perhaps some better uses to having a different Poke with a Mega Stone. Other choices could include Mega Mawhile, Mega Lucario, Etc would be good options (Unless you choose to use Aegislash). I don't know how viable Mega Ampharos is in OU, but she could be an interesting option

Edit: Mega Ampharos probably isn't a good option, didn't realize her Speed stat was so low. Would definitely do work on a Trick Room team. However, she can certainly be defined as a "Bulky Offensive" Poke

Edit 2: I just though of a possible set for her,despite how bad she may be w/o Trick Room. Since I'm new at this, someone please critique me & let me know if Mega Ampharos is even viable w/ & w/o Trick Room. Nevertheless:

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Static/(Mold Breaker)
Modest/I Don't Know
252 HP, 252 SpAtk, 6 Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunderbolt/Thunder
-Focus Blast/Signal Beam (Maybe?)
-Volt Switch

This Set would be a good definition of "Bulky Offensive" as Mega Ampharos can dish out damage & certainly be capable of taking a few non-resisted attacks. Dragon Pulse & Thunderbolt/Thunder are there for stab. Focus Blast is there for some coverage (Perhaps Signal Beam is also viable for Psychics? Idk....) and Volt Switch is there just incase it is necessary to Switch Out because of a Fairy Type,etc. Even though, now that I realize it, her terrible speed probably makes her a very bad Volt Switcher. Oh well, perhaps you could use something else to replace that.

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 5:34 AM

Porygon-Z also seems like a legit contender, no?

Draven1234 January 30th, 2014 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8067676)
Porygon-Z also seems like a legit contender, no?

Porygon Z is not a good choice for OU. Instead, Porygon2 would be better, with its access to Eviolite. Even though, I think there are many better choices, Think of some more! :P

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 10:39 AM

According to Serebii, PorygonZ is the second best non legendary special attack pokemon, after Alakazam.
Edit: So it's either Alakazam or PorygonZ.

PlatinumDude January 30th, 2014 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8068029)
According to Serebii, PorygonZ is the second best non legendary special attack pokemon, after Alakazam.
Edit: So it's either Alakazam or PorygonZ.

Go with Alakazam or Volcarona (latter needs Rapid Spin support). They have the Speed to back up their 135 Special Attack. Porygon-Z's Speed is good, but not good enough for it to function in OU:

Alakazam:
-Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Dazzling Gleam
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash/Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard

Volcarona:
-Quiver Dance
-Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Hidden Power (Rock/Ground)/Psychic
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 11:36 AM

Alakazam it is. Next up: lead

I was thinking maybe Forretress

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 12:48 AM

And is Aerodactyl or it's mega viable?

Nah February 5th, 2014 7:40 AM

Regular Aerodactyl wasn't bad last gen, but I'm not sure how well it'd faire in gen 6. It'd probably be best to go with Mega Aerodactly, and Alakzam can do alright without mega evolving.

Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 7:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078234)
And is Aerodactyl or it's mega viable?

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8078582)
Regular Aerodactyl wasn't bad last gen, but I'm not sure how well it'd faire in gen 6. It'd probably be best to go with Mega Aerodactly, and Alakzam can do alright without mega evolving.

Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

To add, the only Aerodactyl set that's viable:
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Fire Fang
-Ice Fang/Aqua Tail
-Aerial Ace/Roost
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Aerodactylite

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8078582)
Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

I'm using Mega Gyarados, Alakazam, and Mandibuzz. I'm thinking of using Pokecreator, but im not sure. I've gotten my Gyarados ready though.

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078598)
I'm using Mega Gyarados, Alakazam, and Mandibuzz. I'm thinking of using Pokecreator, but im not sure. I've gotten my Gyarados ready though.

Remember that Mega Gyarados and Mandibuzz share Electric and Fighting weaknesses, so find another teammate to take on those types. Also, Mandibuzz and Mega Gyarados sets:

Mandibuzz:
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Taunt/Whirlwind
-Defog/Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 8:17 AM

Those are the ones I'm using. For the electric and fighting weakness, how about a ground type? And a fighting type is needed too. Would golem and chesnaught suffice?

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 9:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078644)
Those are the ones I'm using. For the electric and fighting weakness, how about a ground type? And a fighting type is needed too. Would golem and chesnaught suffice?

Chesnaught, I agree with. Golem, not so much, because of its terrible defensive typing:
-Leech Seed
-Spiky Shield
-Hammer Arm
-Synthesis/Roar/Seed Bomb/Stone Edge
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof

Nah February 5th, 2014 9:32 AM

Gliscor might be a good additon to the team as well:

-Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Speed
Moves: Earthquake, Roost, Knock Off, Toxic

or

-Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP, 40 Defense, 224 Speed
Moves: Earthquake, Substitute, Toxic, Protect/Knock Off/Roost

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 2:26 AM

On the mandibuzz, can you suggest a move other than roost and foul play? I can't seem to get those moves + nature and ability. I've filled up a box and a half.

Mandibular w/Leftovers:
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed
Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt

PlatinumDude March 21st, 2014 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8157426)
On the mandibuzz, can you suggest a move other than roost and foul play? I can't seem to get those moves + nature and ability. I've filled up a box and a half.

Mandibular w/Leftovers:
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed
Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt

Foul Play is a mandatory move for Mandibuzz because it doesn't have enough Attack to deal damage on its own outside of a boosted Knock Off. Getting Foul Play Mandibuzz isn't that hard; just breed a Vullaby with a male Murkrow/Honchkrow that knows Foul Play (Murkrow/Honchkrow have Foul Play as a level-up move; Foul Play is also one of Vullaby's egg moves):
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Defog
-Toxic/Whirlwind/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 9:57 AM

Okay how about
Knock off/giga impact/

PlatinumDude March 21st, 2014 9:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8158011)
Okay how about
Knock off/giga impact/

Never bother with Giga Impact at all. While it's strong, it leaves the user a sitting duck the next turn. That, and Mandibuzz is meant to be a support Pokemon.

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 9:59 AM

How about
Knock off/Giga Impact/Toxic/Rest ?

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 10:00 AM

How about Substitute + Giga Impact

I consider it to be more of a wall, though

PlatinumDude March 21st, 2014 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8158014)
How about
Knock off/Giga Impact/Toxic/Rest ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8158017)
How about Substitute + Giga Impact

No to Giga Impact. At all. Ever. Did you see what I said about it?

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 10:07 AM

Yes, I understood. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we use substitute and then giga impact, we won't be open to damage

PlatinumDude March 21st, 2014 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8158033)
Yes, I understood. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we use substitute and then giga impact, we won't be open to damage

That's still a terrible strategy. Both moves take up important move slots that could be used for utility and recovery. The moves I listed for Mandibuzz a page earlier are all important, though the 4th slot is open to 3 options.

Nah March 21st, 2014 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8158033)
Yes, I understood. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we use substitute and then giga impact, we won't be open to damage


You don't ever wanna skip a turn, even if behind a Sub; it wastes the shielding a Sub provides. And Mandibuzz's Attack is too low to make use of Giga Impact anyway (Knock Off is to cripple item dependent pokes, while Foul Play uses the other Pokémon's Attack stat).

pokemanman March 23rd, 2014 9:13 AM

Okay, I'll keep trying. Can I have a poke other than Chesnaught? I just realized that it won't work out..

Nah March 23rd, 2014 11:25 AM

Iirc, Chesnaught was suggested as the team's Electric/Fighting resist. Gliscor (which I mentioned on the 2nd page) works nicely. If you can't get one with Poison Heal, then Gourgesut or Trevenant are good as well:

-Super Size Gourgeist w/Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Leech Seed, Wili-o-Wisp, Shadow Sneak, Seed Bomb

or

Small Size Gourgeist w/Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 HP, 72 Defense, 184 Speed
Moves: Will-o-Wisp, Leech Seed, Seed Bomb, Protect/Substitute

-Trevenant w/Sitrus Berry
Nature: Impish
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP, 180 Defense, 76 Speed
Moves: Leech Seed, Substitute/Protect, Will-o-Wisp, Phantom Force/Shadow Claw

or

Trevenant w/Leftovers or Lum Berry
Nature: Impish/Adamant
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP, 180 Defense, 76 Speed
Moves: Horn Leech, Earthquake/Rock Slide, Will-o-Wisp, Rest

pokemanman March 24th, 2014 11:31 AM

Alright! I've got a gliscor. Now I need 2 more pokes to finish the team. How about a Forretress for an opener?

PlatinumDude March 24th, 2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8163733)
Alright! I've got a gliscor. Now I need 2 more pokes to finish the team. How about a Forretress for an opener?

Not happening. Forretress has fallen out of favor because of the prominence of Defog wiping away the hazards it set up.

pokemanman March 24th, 2014 11:55 AM

Then could you suggest some?
Edit: bump

pokemanman March 28th, 2014 2:27 AM

Scizor @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
-Bullet Punch
-U Turn
-Pursuit
-Defog

Is this good? I found it while browsing marriland.

PlatinumDude March 28th, 2014 9:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8170896)
Scizor @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
-Bullet Punch
-U Turn
-Pursuit
-Defog

Is this good? I found it while browsing marriland.

Defog is bad for a Choice set, as it leaves it locked into a single move while it's in battle:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-Pursuit/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

or
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch/Knock Off
-Defog
-Roost
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Def
Item: Scizorite

pokemanman April 4th, 2014 12:47 AM

How about a not-to-be-♥♥♥♥led-with Shuckle?

PlatinumDude April 4th, 2014 6:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8182079)
How about a not-to-be-♥♥♥♥led-with Shuckle?

No. Don't bother with it. While it may seem tempting to use with its high defenses, its low HP, lack of offensive presence, bad defensive typing and tendency to be setup bait make it not worthy to be used.

WingedDragon April 4th, 2014 12:49 PM

My suggestion is dont go offensive. Thats what I try to run and I get nailed to the way by people that half way know what they are doing.


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