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Nah January 24th, 2014 1:40 PM

It's really difficult to be completely prepared for every type match up. All types have thier uses, but some are a little bit more important. And the Pokemon themselves don't necessarily have to be of these types either; having moves of those types is sometimes enough.

The major types to consider are: Ground, Fighting, Dark, Ghost, Fire, Dragon, Fairy, Steel, Water, Ice, Electric, and Rock. Probably forgot something, but those are certainly important.

pokemanman January 25th, 2014 9:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8053015)
Lapras and other Water/Ice Pokemon are terrible for bulky offensive roles because of their common weaknesses to Grass, Electric, Rock and Fighting. Nearly every Water Pokemon learns Ice Beam, so there's no need for the secondary Ice type to hinder its defensive capabilities. Other bulky Water Pokemon to use are Vaporeon, Jellicent, Clawitzer, Tentacruel, Mega Blastoise, (Mega) Gyarados, Gastrodon and Azumarill:

Vaporeon:
-Wish
-Protect
-Scald
-Ice Beam/Roar/Toxic
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

Jellicent:
-Scald/Shadow Ball/Night Shade
-Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
-Recover
-Taunt
Nature: Bold
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers

or
-Scald
-Shadow Ball/Ice Beam
-Will-o-Wisp
-Recover
Nature: Calm
EVs: 248 HP/36 Def/224 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb

or
-Water Spout
-Hydro Pump/Surf/Scald
-Shadow Ball
-Ice Beam/Giga Drain
Nature: Modets
EVs: 172 HP/252 SAtk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb

Clawitzer:
-Water Pulse
-Aura Sphere
-Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 164 HP/252 SAtk/92 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs

Tentacruel:
-Scald
-Sludge Bomb
-Rapid Spin
-Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 Spe
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze

Mega Blastoise:
-Water Pulse/Scald
-Dark Pulse
-Aura Sphere/Ice Beam
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
Item: Blastoisinite

Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Substitute/Taunt
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Bounce/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 HP/64 Atk/100 Def/224 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

or
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall
-Roar/Dragon Tail
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate

Gastrodon
-Scald
-Earthquake/Earth Power
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

Azumarill:
-Waterfall
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Belly Drum
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Waterfall/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/164 Spe
Item: Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power

or
-Aqua Jet
-Play Rough
-Power-Up Punch
-Waterfall/Knock Off
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 16 HP/252 Atk/240 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power

What does "spe" stand for? Sp defense or sp attack?

PlatinumDude January 25th, 2014 9:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8058506)
What does "spe" stand for? Sp defense or sp attack?

Speed. That's the Smogon abbreviation for Speed. SAtk (Serebii's abbreviation) or SpA (Smogon's abbreviation) is for Special Attack.

pokemanman January 25th, 2014 10:38 AM

Aww shizz, i accidentally trained sp atk to 175...

Nah January 25th, 2014 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8058602)
Aww shizz, i accidentally trained sp atk to 175...

You can fix that with the EV reducing berries or a reset bag. The EV berries are only obtainable via mutations. This page tells you what you need to know:

http://www.serebii.net/xy/berryfields.shtml

pokemanman January 26th, 2014 1:50 AM

Meh, i already reset the game. I new about the berrie and reset bag, but i didn't feel like doing it.

So which six pokemon shoul I include in my team? I've already gotten a Gyarados ready, am breeding the Vullaby. So I need four more Pokes now.

WonderfulWhiscash January 29th, 2014 10:24 AM

While a bidoof would fit your team well, I think it's pretty overpowered so maybe steer clear. So you have a physical sweeper and a defensive poke/defogger, so how about a special sweeper now? Something like a focus sashed Alakazam or life orbed Gengar could work, or some kind of mega poke. Are there any preferred mega you want to use?

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 3:08 AM

Alakazam would be best I guess. Would Aegislash be a good addition, because of it's King's Shield?

Draven1234 January 30th, 2014 4:38 AM

Alakazam would do pretty well for your team, however it isn't a "Bulky Offensive" Poke.
A potential moveset could be:

Alakazam @ Life Orb
Magic Guard
Modest/Timid
6 HP, 252 SpAtk, 252 Spe
-Psychic/Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Substitute/Anything Else

This set allows you to have lots of coverage, against Dark Types, Rock, Ghost, etc
Also, you could sacrifice one of the moves for Dazzling Gleam if you'd rather the coverage against Dragons & The Like
Also, I wouldn't waste my Mega Stone on Alakazam. While it does make him more viable, he is good enough without it & there are perhaps some better uses to having a different Poke with a Mega Stone. Other choices could include Mega Mawhile, Mega Lucario, Etc would be good options (Unless you choose to use Aegislash). I don't know how viable Mega Ampharos is in OU, but she could be an interesting option

Edit: Mega Ampharos probably isn't a good option, didn't realize her Speed stat was so low. Would definitely do work on a Trick Room team. However, she can certainly be defined as a "Bulky Offensive" Poke

Edit 2: I just though of a possible set for her,despite how bad she may be w/o Trick Room. Since I'm new at this, someone please critique me & let me know if Mega Ampharos is even viable w/ & w/o Trick Room. Nevertheless:

Ampharos @ Ampharosite
Static/(Mold Breaker)
Modest/I Don't Know
252 HP, 252 SpAtk, 6 Spe
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunderbolt/Thunder
-Focus Blast/Signal Beam (Maybe?)
-Volt Switch

This Set would be a good definition of "Bulky Offensive" as Mega Ampharos can dish out damage & certainly be capable of taking a few non-resisted attacks. Dragon Pulse & Thunderbolt/Thunder are there for stab. Focus Blast is there for some coverage (Perhaps Signal Beam is also viable for Psychics? Idk....) and Volt Switch is there just incase it is necessary to Switch Out because of a Fairy Type,etc. Even though, now that I realize it, her terrible speed probably makes her a very bad Volt Switcher. Oh well, perhaps you could use something else to replace that.

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 5:34 AM

Porygon-Z also seems like a legit contender, no?

Draven1234 January 30th, 2014 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8067676)
Porygon-Z also seems like a legit contender, no?

Porygon Z is not a good choice for OU. Instead, Porygon2 would be better, with its access to Eviolite. Even though, I think there are many better choices, Think of some more! :P

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 10:39 AM

According to Serebii, PorygonZ is the second best non legendary special attack pokemon, after Alakazam.
Edit: So it's either Alakazam or PorygonZ.

PlatinumDude January 30th, 2014 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8068029)
According to Serebii, PorygonZ is the second best non legendary special attack pokemon, after Alakazam.
Edit: So it's either Alakazam or PorygonZ.

Go with Alakazam or Volcarona (latter needs Rapid Spin support). They have the Speed to back up their 135 Special Attack. Porygon-Z's Speed is good, but not good enough for it to function in OU:

Alakazam:
-Psyshock
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Dazzling Gleam
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash/Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard

Volcarona:
-Quiver Dance
-Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
-Bug Buzz
-Hidden Power (Rock/Ground)/Psychic
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body

pokemanman January 30th, 2014 11:36 AM

Alakazam it is. Next up: lead

I was thinking maybe Forretress

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 12:48 AM

And is Aerodactyl or it's mega viable?

Nah February 5th, 2014 7:40 AM

Regular Aerodactyl wasn't bad last gen, but I'm not sure how well it'd faire in gen 6. It'd probably be best to go with Mega Aerodactly, and Alakzam can do alright without mega evolving.

Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 7:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078234)
And is Aerodactyl or it's mega viable?

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8078582)
Regular Aerodactyl wasn't bad last gen, but I'm not sure how well it'd faire in gen 6. It'd probably be best to go with Mega Aerodactly, and Alakzam can do alright without mega evolving.

Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

To add, the only Aerodactyl set that's viable:
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Fire Fang
-Ice Fang/Aqua Tail
-Aerial Ace/Roost
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Aerodactylite

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Chance Without Zekrom (Post 8078582)
Also, what Pokemon are you for sure using on this team?

I'm using Mega Gyarados, Alakazam, and Mandibuzz. I'm thinking of using Pokecreator, but im not sure. I've gotten my Gyarados ready though.

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078598)
I'm using Mega Gyarados, Alakazam, and Mandibuzz. I'm thinking of using Pokecreator, but im not sure. I've gotten my Gyarados ready though.

Remember that Mega Gyarados and Mandibuzz share Electric and Fighting weaknesses, so find another teammate to take on those types. Also, Mandibuzz and Mega Gyarados sets:

Mandibuzz:
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Taunt/Whirlwind
-Defog/Toxic/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

Gyarados:
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Bite/Stone Edge/Substitute
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spe
Item: Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate

pokemanman February 5th, 2014 8:17 AM

Those are the ones I'm using. For the electric and fighting weakness, how about a ground type? And a fighting type is needed too. Would golem and chesnaught suffice?

PlatinumDude February 5th, 2014 9:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8078644)
Those are the ones I'm using. For the electric and fighting weakness, how about a ground type? And a fighting type is needed too. Would golem and chesnaught suffice?

Chesnaught, I agree with. Golem, not so much, because of its terrible defensive typing:
-Leech Seed
-Spiky Shield
-Hammer Arm
-Synthesis/Roar/Seed Bomb/Stone Edge
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof

Nah February 5th, 2014 9:32 AM

Gliscor might be a good additon to the team as well:

-Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Speed
Moves: Earthquake, Roost, Knock Off, Toxic

or

-Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
Nature: Impish
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP, 40 Defense, 224 Speed
Moves: Earthquake, Substitute, Toxic, Protect/Knock Off/Roost

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 2:26 AM

On the mandibuzz, can you suggest a move other than roost and foul play? I can't seem to get those moves + nature and ability. I've filled up a box and a half.

Mandibular w/Leftovers:
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed
Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt

PlatinumDude March 21st, 2014 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokemanman (Post 8157426)
On the mandibuzz, can you suggest a move other than roost and foul play? I can't seem to get those moves + nature and ability. I've filled up a box and a half.

Mandibular w/Leftovers:
Nature: Bold
Ability: Overcoat
248 HP, 208 Defense, 52 Speed
Foul Play, Toxic/Whirlwind, Roost, Taunt

Foul Play is a mandatory move for Mandibuzz because it doesn't have enough Attack to deal damage on its own outside of a boosted Knock Off. Getting Foul Play Mandibuzz isn't that hard; just breed a Vullaby with a male Murkrow/Honchkrow that knows Foul Play (Murkrow/Honchkrow have Foul Play as a level-up move; Foul Play is also one of Vullaby's egg moves):
-Foul Play
-Roost
-Defog
-Toxic/Whirlwind/Knock Off
Nature: Bold/Impish
EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat

pokemanman March 21st, 2014 9:57 AM

Okay how about
Knock off/giga impact/


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