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Mark Kamill August 3rd, 2014 11:40 AM

Shareholders want it and don't get it so they get upset. Its what I said.

Oryx August 3rd, 2014 12:09 PM

Grammar lesson: that's not what you said. In the absence of a an object to what they "don't", grammatically the last clause's object is used, in this case "want it", so what you said was "they want it, they don't want it", not "they want it, they don't get it." Just for future reference so you can be understood!

That being said, can you provide anything that shows that this is the case? I've never heard a theory about Nintendo being left out of cross-platform games due to not having Nintendo games on smartphones and tablets.

machomuu August 3rd, 2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8383707)
That being said, can you provide anything that shows that this is the case? I've never heard a theory about Nintendo being left out of cross-platform games due to not having Nintendo games on smartphones and tablets.

Yeah, I'd agree. If anything, of the systems, smartphone/tablet developers see Nintendo as an attractive porting option due to ease of development and low costs.

TRIFORCE89 August 3rd, 2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Stud Muffin (Post 8383615)
Triforce, its all in the mindset created for shareholders. They want Nintendo games on smartphones, they don't, and they get upset. Same shareholders likely own stocks in other gaming companies or would like to. They would likely back out of said 3rd paties if they show support, of the "bad company" thus the lack of support. Sounds crazy, but I can see those mental gymnastics being done.

Oh yes, for sure that's the mentality of the shareholders.

But shareholders aren't third party publishers and developers.

Mark Kamill August 4th, 2014 2:44 AM

No they aren't, but a business is a business. If the shareholders hold a certain mindset, its certain a similar one will be held by the publishers. Its probably decided that there is no reason to support Nintendo at the moment, as they don't produce the necessary hardware sales to justify it. Even then, the support would be what we saw on the Wii, or what we have now. It was easy to produce shovelware on an SD console in 2008, but not so with an HD console.


On a sidenote, the whole "going to smartphone" argument is ridiculous. Its short-term, and will do nothing to help Nintendo. The funny thing is that people thing Nintendo riding the current tech wave will help em, when we're in the middle of a generation of hardware that's selling poorly because of short-term design philosophy. The 3DS was designed with the the 2010 market trend of 3D is the future, and the Wii U in 2011 when Tablet's were still largely an at home thing, and could be played off of that. Nintendo and short-term don't mix well, and its utterly shocking that no one can realize that.

Oryx August 4th, 2014 3:43 AM

The 3DS isn't selling badly at all. o_O I wouldn't put that forward as proof that they have the wrong design philosophy because the 3DS is wildly popular.

Mark Kamill August 4th, 2014 3:47 AM

Right. I think I should have worded that better. Yes its selling greatly, but its nowhere near the best selling Nintendo handheld. They had to massively drop the price, severely downplay the major feature of the handheld, and in general market it much differently then they had from the beginning. Its conception was majorly short-term, no matter what sales are right now. And in the end, its still going to come up short to the rest of the Nintendo Handhelds, not just the DS.

Legendary Silke August 4th, 2014 6:16 AM

I've just finished Final Fantasy VIII last night. For some reason, the story in that game is extremely engaging.

TRIFORCE89 August 4th, 2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Stud Muffin (Post 8384583)
No they aren't, but a business is a business. If the shareholders hold a certain mindset, its certain a similar one will be held by the publishers.

For the life of me I cannot fathom why a third party publisher would be bothered that Nintendo isn't making games for smart phones and other mobile devices. This does not in any way hinder the third party's ability to make games for those platforms, and it hasn't. If anything, it's beneficial for them as they're not competing against Nintendo games.

You're combining two problems that Nintendo has right now

Mark Kamill August 5th, 2014 1:49 AM

Its not they're bothered by em not doing so, they could honestly not give a damn. Its the fact that certain decisions including the denial of smartphones leads to a general perception of the company that they likely do not want to be associated with.


In other news, HD Resident Evil just got confirmed. GET HYPED.

TRIFORCE89 August 5th, 2014 3:00 AM

What is it? A new RE game? One of the old games? Compilation of old games?

Nathan August 5th, 2014 3:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TRIFORCE89 (Post 8386276)
What is it? A new RE game? One of the old games? Compilation of old games?

A remake of the very first Resident Evil game on current and next-gen consoles. The game will be released "early 2015" on PS4, XB1, XB360, PS3 and PC.

Judge Mandolore Shepard August 5th, 2014 6:29 AM

Speaking of confirmations, the rumored Assassin's Creed Comet has had a couple of things confirmed. The first being the name being confirmed as Assassin's Creed Rogue. The second thing confirmed is the release date for the Xbox 360 version, November 11th. The PS3 version, release date unknown.

machomuu August 5th, 2014 7:29 AM

Oh boy, another Assassin's Creed.

yay.

wooh.

Generally I'm not one for completely sarcastic comments, but this is getting ridiculous. I mean, annual releases are one thing, but dual-annual releases? That worries me. And it doesn't help that all (and I mean ALL) of Ubi's other franchises are turning into AssCreed. I mean, I do like the series to an extent, but this is just ridiculous.

Nathan August 5th, 2014 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by machomuu (Post 8386524)
Oh boy, another Assassin's Creed.

yay.

wooh.

Generally I'm not one for completely sarcastic comments, but this is getting ridiculous. I mean, annual releases are one thing, but dual-annual releases? That worries me. And it doesn't help that all (and I mean ALL) of Ubi's other franchises are turning into AssCreed. I mean, I do like the series to an extent, but this is just ridiculous.

They already released one earlier this year?

machomuu August 5th, 2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 8386673)
They already released one earlier this year?

Nah, but they have Assassin's Creed Unity coming out, a game they showed a few times at E3 with an emphasis on co-op play.

Nathan August 5th, 2014 10:32 AM

Iirc Unity is for next-gen and Rogue is for current-gen. Non logical but oh well...

Oryx August 5th, 2014 10:36 AM

What do those terms even mean at this point? Is next-gen in this context the system after the PS4/Xbox One/Wii U?

machomuu August 5th, 2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8386737)
What do those terms even mean at this point? Is next-gen in this context the system after the PS4/Xbox One/Wii U?

Well current-gen, now, would refer to PS4/Xbone/Wii U, with next-gen being generation 9, their successors. But I think he meant last-gen and current-gen.

TRIFORCE89 August 5th, 2014 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 8386328)
A remake of the very first Resident Evil game on current and next-gen consoles. The game will be released "early 2015" on PS4, XB1, XB360, PS3 and PC.

Well, a remaster of the remake from the GCN. Not the original


More North American Assassin's Creed. And snow. Not interested

Satoshi Ookami August 6th, 2014 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by machomuu (Post 8386745)
Well current-gen, now, would refer to PS4/Xbone/Wii U, with next-gen being generation 9, their successors. But I think he meant last-gen and current-gen.

Well... by time yea, but using "next-gen" to refer to PS4/XBone/Wii U will stick stuck for a while imo =D

machomuu August 6th, 2014 8:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Satoshi Ookami (Post 8388140)
Well... by time yea, but using "next-gen" to refer to PS4/XBone/Wii U will stick stuck for a while imo =D

Maybe. It's really a matter of using a term correctly and using a term the way you want to, which really applies to pretty much any term or word, I suppose.

That said, Gen 8 started 2 years ago, so I would hope it wouldn't be a popular term for the systems, especially since the three are all available for purchase now.

Klippy August 6th, 2014 1:04 PM

Next-gen will continue to be used as terms for the Xbox One/PS4/Wii U until the "next" next-gen is beginning to be announced/hinted at. Current-gen is still Xbox 360/PS3/Wii because many more people still own those consoles than the new ones. Perhaps with more people adopting the newer generation, the less next-gen will be used to describe them.

Current-gen Xbox 360/PS3/Wii had the benefit of being one of the biggest waves in gaming history. Once most gamers have converted to the newer systems, we will be talking about the "next-gen" after the Xbox One, PS4, and Wii U.

Dragon August 7th, 2014 5:15 AM

Speaking of which, what do you guys generally think of this current gen?

The Xbox One/PS4/Wii U Gen, I mean. Like, take the Wii U; I've heard complaints that it's not going in the right direction because it's been focusing on 3rd party games, but, I dunno, is that really a bad thing? Doesn't it expand a player's 'world', per-se, and encourages them to try something new?

Like the new game, Splatoon. Most People I've met don't enjoy shooters, so they were quick to knock off this game, but, honestly, it looks kind of solid, and fun, imo! I'd definitely will try it when the time comes!

Uhm, but back on point, there's also the issue of connectivity with other players.. one complaint I've heard is that this gen isn't solely focused on 'interacting' with other people, more so than just playing alone, but, I think that's something that the developers are gearing towards in the future anyway?

Oryx August 7th, 2014 5:23 AM

Splatoon is a shooter for people that don't like shooters. A lot of people aren't nuanced enough in their game likes to know that they just don't like games where you shoot, and instead dislike shooters as a genre - gritty, different weapons, realistic, all about death. This isn't any of those things.

People complaining about too much solo time crack me up because people were complaining about too much online before. People just want developers to spend thousands of hours making engrossing single-player games and then thousands more hours making engrossing multiplayer and what do you mean the game costs twice as much???


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