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Crime Rates of Minorities/Impoverished,
Nice article with concerns of public and crime statistics
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An editorial piece on the misconception of stop and frisk Spoiler:
Case Against Stop and Frisk Effectiveness Spoiler:
Has stop and frisk policy ignored the high-risk that poor black communities face. With high crime, high school drop out, and death rates of young black males especially, does targeting these area, and thus, more black Americans, reduce the risk of poor outcomes for black youth in America? Other solutions, or additional solutions to reduce these poor outcomes of black Americans, especially, young Black and Hispanic men? How do both Republicans and Democrats approach these issues well and poorly? (Try avoiding too much absolutes even if you believe one party does ultimately address the issue of minority crime rates better; to say one party has done this without flaw would be naive.) Stand your ground? Thoughts? Misconceptions? Does it help protect victims of black-on-black crime? Yes, no, to what extent? Again, to add perspective, stand your ground has been invoked by those of the same racial backgrounds in the vast majority of cases. Avoid using too many case examples, statistics of the general population better encompass some of these issues. Though, cases do well do point out certain flaws and misconceptions of what the law does and does not permit. For instance, it's often invoked imperfectly. This is a broad topic. So, answer some questions I provide, address the articles above, or break off into other issues pertinent to the topic. P.S. - Derogatory racial remarks are not tolerated. However, statistics are fine. Often, and understandably, some Black Americans will take offense to addressing, "Black crime" for instance. However, it's an unfortunate product of significantly high drop out rates among other factors. Ignoring the outcomes of minorities and low-income families isn't going to help find solutions. Essentially, address why the structure of countries, such as the United States, leads to poor outcomes for minorities and impoverished families. This is not a discussion to promote nonsense on inherent inferiority or violence/non-intelligence of any group. |
I like the stop and frisk method of reducing crime. I don't go around supporting it in any way, but from reading these articles, I like the idea. I wouldn't say it is racist to do so, it is just that there are more people of those races in those communities. I don't know if officers do purposely target those people. They don't frisk every time they stop. The crime rates in those areas of plummeted! The Republics have a slight advantage over the Democrats because they did that. If I were living in those communities, I would find the stop and frisk annoying. Still, it would probably save my life and I would have no idea. The democrats' argument of very little arrests isn't very effective. You don't need to arrest all the time. It is the fear factor. People carry around illegal (or legal), and drugs because of fear of being searched. This is why the crime rates have slowed drastically.
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As someone who literally lives within 30 miles of freaking Detroit, I can tell you personally that a huge reason why that area is loaded with crime while the areas that I live in are not is because they are generally decayed communities where people from poorer areas congregate since they're unable to pay for safer areas. Unfortunately this causes a feedback loop with minorities since minorities are often born into areas like this and aren't able to financially escape areas like this.
A big problem with Detroit is that Detroit is ♥♥♥♥ing huge and has barely any money. Detroit is larger than Boston and Philadelphia combined. Because of that and the fact that Detroit is more corrupt than a blown up hard drive, Detroit literally does not even have the police force to take on the literal amount of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that happens in the city every day. There's a lot of crimes in Detroit because Detroit is really big and cannot be managed. Of course, this isn't every city's problem. Flint is a much smaller and actually considerably more dangerous community. Flint used to be a center for automotive business but that died down in the 80's. Now, it's a mere scab of what it once was. Crimes occur here more often relative to area in flint as opposed to Detroit. Most crime-ridden communities are very poor and this causes a severe feedback effect where people do NOT want to spread wealth to these environments because they are dangerous and wealthy individuals would rather live in more affluent areas. |
I think people turn to crime because there's nothing else for them to do. I guess I take a kinda Marxist view that the social phenomenon of crime is part of the superstructure on top of the economic base - it's reflective of the poor economic conditions and will only change if these economic conditions change. Stop and frisk sounds like a good idea if it's getting some of the violence and crime off the streets, but it's only going to be an oft-replaced Band-Aid over a profusely bleeding wound until opportunity comes back to these crime-ridden areas. And like diagonite said, there is a positive feedback loop - poverty begets more poverty, crime begets more crime.
I don't think stop and frisk is bad in itself. These community needs a police presence to teach them that crime shouldn't be tolerated. But the police presence should be welcomed, not accepted grudgingly. Any amount of stop and frisk, which has the potential to pit the police as the "bad guys", should be backed up with a healthy amount of community outreach - people have to perceive that this is done for their own good. I'm not sure if these police departments in troubled cities can afford such a program, I'd think they're stretched thin enough. |
I can't speak for black Americans because we don't really have those in Australia. (We do have blacks from the West Indies and Africa, though.) Over here, it's Aborigines who have the highest crime rate in our country. People here complain about Lebanese Muslim men having such a high crime rate, but Aborigines have a MUCH higher crime rate. Here are some statistics as per Wikipedia:
- Aborigines are 25% of the prison population despite being less than 3% of the population. - 15.7% of homicides are committed by Aborigines. - Aborigine children were 7.5 times more likely to be abused than non-indigenous children. - The imprisonment rate for Aborigines is 1,891 people per 100,000 - meaning that nearly 2 percent of adult Aborigines are in jail. For non-indigenous people it's 136 people per 100,000. I don't think that Aborigines are bad people, and I actually do sympathise with their plight (unlike many Australians). And it's not just Anglo-Celtic Australians who are prejudiced against them - I know Australians of many ethnicities (including Lebanese) who have said mean things about Aborigines. One anti-Aborigine comment I remember came from a Sudanese woman I was on the bus with. I think that Aborigines need to address this problem. It's a real shame that their community has such a high crime rate. |
Hmmm, very interesting topic. As a concerned and proud black man, I'll try to stay on point and be very concise.
I was born and raised in Detroit Michigan. My life there was magical, violent, and very enlightening. Here is what I have to say: Reported crimes rates are different from "actual" crime rates(I know this because I have witnessed a few crimes in my time as a city dweller). Has stop and frisk policy ignored the high-risk that poor black communities face. With high crime, high school drop out, and death rates of young black males especially, does targeting these area, and thus, more black Americans, reduce the risk of poor outcomes for black youth in America? `The simple answer is no. I am certain of this because this "stop and frisk" policy is targeting the wrong issue. Black Americans face CULTURAL issues. Deeply rooted, and reinforced daily. There is also a resource issue. Land, clean water, and air... something everyone needs. Currently monetary resources are drained from the city by way of a commuting non resident populace. That is to say, people make money in Detroit at jobs that people who live there could never get, then drive back home away from the city and invest their money at home, thus draining the life from the economy there (not to mention corrupt politics and police). Other solutions, or additional solutions to reduce these poor outcomes of black Americans, especially, young Black and Hispanic men? Easy. Support a cultural rebirth (which by the way, is currently happening slowly despite unfavorable conditions). Everyone could attempt to become more conscious of the issues that led Detroit to where it is. Keeping track of the past makes sure we don't return there and also that we learn from mistakes. How do both Republicans and Democrats approach these issues well and poorly? Both do poorly because they have their hands tied. They are followers of money first, self interest second, and people somewhere far down the list. I have seen it with my own two eyes in many a meeting with them. after 5 years of actively attempting to communicate with them I realized that politics, in this situation, is simply barking up the wrong tree. Ultimately, I do not know everything. But I am comfortable calling myself an expert on issues of race, crime, and city life. I have lived its "highs" and "lows". Somewhere in all the chaos, there is hope, I have seen it. If you would like me to clairify anything, simply ask, I don't bite :D (unless you happen to be very close minded). |
Stop and frisk is a bit of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it seems to serve as a deterrent to crime to some degree. But it also creates resentment. No conclusions here, just observations from afar.
What I think would be useful is necessary to really resolve the prevalence of crime among minorities is an approach (or set of approaches) that addresses individual interiors and exteriors, as well as collective interiors and exteriors. Respectively, we can call these intention, behavior, culture, and society. What often happens is that people and organizations will claim that one of these four zones is the "real" source of the problem. We just need to motivate people. We just need to give them more economic opportunity. We just need to change the neighborhood kids' perceptions of gangs. It should be fairly self-evident that all four zones affect one another. If cultural consensus among teens shifts so that gangs are not considered cool, we should see a decrease in gang activity in local neighborhoods. But if we also provide these kids with something fun or productive or meaningful to do with their time? The effects begin to resonate. The approaches work better in conjunction than they can individually. This isn't so much a solution as it is a framework, an orienting generalization, in which competing approaches become complementary and synergistic. It frees up time and energy that was once spent debating whether individual attitudes or societal infrastructure is the "real" source of the crime. We no longer need to argue that one zone is significant to the exclusion of all the others, or that any one of them is primary, or that only one actually exists! All four zones are equally significant, because they are mutually arising and mutually determinant. All four zones are also present in one's direct awareness, so we have the additional advantage of discarding any metaphysical baggage. In this day and age, only a post-metaphysical framework will suffice. |
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I understand there to be two problems that cause the numbers to be skewed here: economic and cultural. And a lot of the cultural is influenced heavily by the economic. Past that, I don't think there's much to say on the issue. Anyone who suggests skin color has anything to do with it is just wrong. Skin color's a genetic switch on a gene. It has nothing to do with anything meaningful.
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