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Hiatus August 25th, 2014 5:43 PM

I suppose they could release it for some home-console like Wii U, and have it resemble games such as XD: Gale of Darkness, and if it does turn out to be the case, then I personally wouldn't have any trouble adapting, as I've already played those type of Pokémon games before. It'd be pretty interesting as well, to explore Kanto in a different graphical environment. I'm not sure if same could be said for those who haven't, though.

bobandbill August 26th, 2014 2:29 AM

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I'd like a Yellow Remake. Also, they could have the Sinnoh Starters available because Processor Rowan was in Kanto at this time, with their new Mega Evolutions. I'd buy a Wii U just to get this game, if it was for that specific console. (I mean, come on. The Wii U is failing, but they have the resources for a game to save them! Plus, I've been meaning to get Wind Waker HD...)
As unlikely as I feel a specifically Yellow remake is, I think it's basically impossible to be on the Wii U. =p Game Freak have said they have no intention to do Pokemon projects on it in the past (which isn't surprising - what they do on handhelds works to the tune of millions of sales every generation), and it doesn't make much sense; part of the success of Pokemon main games is that they were on the handhelds. Colosseum and XD were the closest to the main games, and still differed in style and various mechanics (e.g. lack of wild Pokemon in routes). And those games were made by Genius Sonority; a Yellow remake really would only be made by Game Freak (their game, so their rights).

(And anyways, the Wii U picked up in sales with Mario Kart and that promotion they had, unsurprisingly).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 26th, 2014 7:19 AM

A Pokemon Yellow remake sounds like it should allow for us to go to all regions like Ash did...so I think that one should be saved until the end...

A Blue remake seems more likely. I don't think they'll do it this generation as the Kanto legends are all available in XY minus Mew which may end up being in OrAs. As are the starters.
Maybe next generation. Even then I'll prefer a future Kanto game that takes place at the same time as B2W2XY, or even just BW seeing how we've seen Kanto in the first two of the four different main points of the timeline.

Altius August 26th, 2014 8:28 AM

Don't flame at me for this. I find the Kanto mainland to be absolutely stale. The only place which is rather interesting is the Seafoam Islands. The rest of the region just seems really boring with trainers and stuff.

It is the region that started it all, but sadly Kanto isn't even as exciting as Unova (which is one region I terribly dislike).

Hence, I say no to another Red/Blue or Yellow remake. We don't need more Kanto. It's overhyped like crazy. The games are fun, but Kanto appeared just too many times.

Wicked3DS August 26th, 2014 9:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sceptile90 (Post 8414502)
I'd like a Yellow Remake. Also, they could have the Sinnoh Starters available because Processor Rowan was in Kanto at this time, with their new Mega Evolutions. I'd buy a Wii U just to get this game, if it was for that specific console. (I mean, come on. The Wii U is failing, but they have the resources for a game to save them! Plus, I've been meaning to get Wind Waker HD...)

First: Wii U isn't gonna happen. It's gonna be on 3DS or a new handheld in Gen VII, hands down.

The idea of having Rowan there with the Sinnoh starters is a FANTASTIC idea. I think it's better than the Sevii Islands idea actually. It fits in the timeline and it may give us some insight into what he found when he visited.

BurningLanguages August 27th, 2014 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mackened (Post 8219778)
Would anyone else like Red/Blue version remakes on 3DS? 10 years ago FireRed and LeafGreen were released on Game Boy Advance, but with the X & Y engine, I really think that it'd be a worthwhile remake. Just imagining it makes me excited. It'd also be a great way to re-introduce those games to younger fans who missed out on the originals and the remakes and find the games too "old" to enjoy (you know what kids are like with graphics and all that) so another remake 10 years on would be welcome.

To me, I feel like they've already done this with X and Y. Professor Sycamore gives you Kanto starters, Santalune forest is amlmost an exact carbon copy of Viridian Forest in Kanto, even the name Kalos sounds like "Kanto" haha. Kalos is closely tied to Kanto, why they did this I think that Gamefreak wanted to commemorate the tremendous milestone of having Pokemon in 3D by paying homage to the very first players. Which was very much appreciated, because I'm one of them. I still have my Pokemon Blue version sitting on my shelf 3 feet away from me as I type :).

I would definitely love a 3D remake of Red and Blue eventually, but with the release of X and Y, they needn't be hasty I feel.

tzujm33 August 31st, 2014 7:19 AM

I would dislike a bare remake of fr/lg or r/b. However a remake where they change the dungeons, routes, cities, maybe even the storyline a bit (but not to a point where it becomes a diffrent game) and make the trainers having diffrent Pokemon and higher difficulty etc. would sound good to me, they could call it pokemion thunder yellow and release it in the 20th year anniversary.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 1st, 2014 9:14 PM

Shouldn't it technically be Red and 'Green'? Since Green is the original second version, plus it was the one that was chosen to get remade back in Gen III. GF may want to keep the whole "peaceful" meaning of 'Green' (which is said to be the reason they didn't go with WaterBlue) for future re-remakes.

If they are made then I foresee people wanting reremakes of Gold and Silver...

I'll prefer it be WaterBlue, MindCrystal (my own idea of what a possible Crystal remake could be called), and DeltaEmerald to be remade later down the road as the pair versions are already getting/got their shots.

Splash September 2nd, 2014 3:58 AM

The only thing Id like added on the remakes are the inclusion of the rocket executives present in HG/SS. It would make sense to include them and maybe add a bit more backstory if possible. Also Silver could make a cameo.

Hiatus September 2nd, 2014 5:27 PM

I could imagine a lot of characters making cameo appearances, and not just Silver, as it seemed to have become a regular thing every since generation four.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2014 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 8423224)
The only thing Id like added on the remakes are the inclusion of the rocket executives present in HG/SS. It would make sense to include them and maybe add a bit more backstory if possible. Also Silver could make a cameo.

There's a theory that the last two executives you fight in the Sevii islands are connected, or are the executives from the Johto games. Perhaps if they remake Firered and Leafgreen they'll acknowledge or rebuke that.

Silver was also mentioned in the original remakes.

Splash September 2nd, 2014 7:35 PM

Silver was mentioned? I played firered a billion times but I havent spotted that lol. Somebody provide me a photo or link please :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2014 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Splash (Post 8424094)
Silver was mentioned? I played firered a billion times but I havent spotted that lol. Somebody provide me a photo or link please :D

Well it was more of a reference. His bulbapedia page mentions it at the top, here's the sentence: "He is the son of Team Rocket Boss Giovanni, and was long speculated as such due to the reference made toward Giovanni's red-haired child in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen, as well as his Pokémon Adventures counterpart also being Giovanni's son."

A rocket Grunt mistook Red as Silver but later said that Giovanni's son has red hair so he couldn't be (funny how his name is Red and all that...)

So Silver appear in the reremakes wouldn't be so far-fetched.

Splash September 2nd, 2014 9:06 PM

Ah I see, I woosh through what the grunts say so I guess I missed it or something lol

Hiatus September 3rd, 2014 6:45 PM

If he does appear, however, I can't imagine us to be able to battle against the guy, because timeline-wise, he's yet to start his Pokémon journey.

He first gets his starter by stealing from Professor Elm in GSC, which takes place a couple of years after those events in Red, Blue, and Green, if I'm not mistaken.

EvDevKevMelv September 12th, 2014 6:22 PM

YES! I recently made a thread about this very thing before realizing that this was already made!

Wicked3DS September 14th, 2014 7:52 PM

I think seeing Silver in a Red/Blue remake would be pretty cool. It would be cool to see what he was like before Giovanni's disappearance.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 14th, 2014 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Endless (Post 8425179)
If he does appear, however, I can't imagine us to be able to battle against the guy, because timeline-wise, he's yet to start his Pokémon journey.

He first gets his starter by stealing from Professor Elm in GSC, which takes place a couple of years after those events in Red, Blue, and Green, if I'm not mistaken.

Unless he had a Pokemon Giovanni gave him, which he could've released later on to forget his father who abandoned him.

Hiatus September 16th, 2014 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8437578)
Unless he had a Pokemon Giovanni gave him, which he could've released later on to forget his father who abandoned him.

Actually, that could work! Though, I do remember reading somewhere that you have to be at least the age of ten to be legally training and capturing Pokémon; now, I'm not really sure if this applies to games or not, but if it does, Silver would be sort of younger than that around generation one of games, supposedly, so if he does get a hold of any Pokémon, somehow, it probably wouldn't make much sense, unfortunately.

Necrum September 16th, 2014 5:54 PM

Preschoolers have Pokemon, so I think that young Silver would be able to. And even if it weren't legal, his dad is Giovanni, so I doubt it would matter much.

I think I'll avoid discussing my lack of faith in this becoming an actual game, and just talk about what would be cool about them. Firstly, the Vs Seeker being brought back would be pretty friggin sweet, I must say.

SubVirus September 16th, 2014 7:19 PM

What i'd really like to see that I haven't seen nintendo or pokemon games in general is a Phone/Tablet port or upgraded version etc. I'm assuming its an agreement they have with nintendo or something related. Not an emulated version but a built from the ground up code base for a tablet or phone.

Buuut I'd also buy a remake with 6 gen enhancements for any generation prior to generation 6, i really like what they've done here. Mega evolution is the least used feature for me though. but everything else is nice :p

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2014 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Necrum (Post 8439557)
Preschoolers have Pokemon, so I think that young Silver would be able to. And even if it weren't legal, his dad is Giovanni, so I doubt it would matter much.

I think I'll avoid discussing my lack of faith in this becoming an actual game, and just talk about what would be cool about them. Firstly, the Vs Seeker being brought back would be pretty friggin sweet, I must say.

Or perhaps give Kanto a device like the Pokegear, Pokenav, ect. that has a Vs Seeker like function.

Cerberus87 September 17th, 2014 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8415497)
Don't flame at me for this. I find the Kanto mainland to be absolutely stale. The only place which is rather interesting is the Seafoam Islands. The rest of the region just seems really boring with trainers and stuff.

It is the region that started it all, but sadly Kanto isn't even as exciting as Unova (which is one region I terribly dislike).

Hence, I say no to another Red/Blue or Yellow remake. We don't need more Kanto. It's overhyped like crazy. The games are fun, but Kanto appeared just too many times.

Kanto isn't a bad region at all. It suffers from limitations in design, because, let's face it, the games are originally from the mid-90s and made for the classic Game Boy, so they couldn't have stuff like volcanoes and waterfalls. But what they did with the resources they had was pretty good.

Also, Kanto is the least linear region in the series, how can it be bad? It would probably only need a better postgame to keep it fresh. Of course it's not as flashy as Hoenn, or Sinnoh, but that's because it's mostly an urban region.

I don't think we'll get any new games in Kanto, but we can never have enough fanservice of it. Without Kanto, there would be no Pokémon.

Altius September 17th, 2014 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8440537)
Kanto isn't a bad region at all. It suffers from limitations in design, because, let's face it, the games are originally from the mid-90s and made for the classic Game Boy, so they couldn't have stuff like volcanoes and waterfalls. But what they did with the resources they had was pretty good.

Also, Kanto is the least linear region in the series, how can it be bad? It would probably only need a better postgame to keep it fresh. Of course it's not as flashy as Hoenn, or Sinnoh, but that's because it's mostly an urban region.

I don't think we'll get any new games in Kanto, but we can never have enough fanservice of it. Without Kanto, there would be no Pokémon.

I understand that. I even acknowledged it in another post I made. However, I still find Kanto being excessively overhyped. It is a fine region, but there are other regions out there which deserve more attention.

Cerberus87 September 17th, 2014 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8440677)
I understand that. I even acknowledged it in another post I made. However, I still find Kanto being excessively overhyped. It is a fine region, but there are other regions out there which deserve more attention.

I disagree. More attention than Kanto? The region which started it all? Also, I don't find there's much attention given to Kanto since HGSS. Sure, we got the starters in X and Y, but that was pretty much it. Very far from being "excessively overhyped". It's like saying there are other Street Fighter characters which are more deserving of attention than Ryu.

Plus Hoenn for example is getting plenty of attention this gen. They got a remake and a **** ton of Megas. Right now I even believe it's the region with the most Megas. IMO that's not really deserved compared to Kanto for example, since Kanto has bigger importance in the series than Hoenn.

Wicked3DS September 17th, 2014 8:10 PM

Kanto hasn't been in a game in 4 years, and hasn't been the primary focus of a game in now 10 years (North American 10th anniversary was the 9th). It hasn't been overdone, so I say we give it another look after OR/AS and the third X/Y installment run their courses - it would probably not happen until 2016/17, which would make the gap even further since we saw Kanto.

Altius September 17th, 2014 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8440751)
I disagree. More attention than Kanto? The region which started it all? Also, I don't find there's much attention given to Kanto since HGSS. Sure, we got the starters in X and Y, but that was pretty much it. Very far from being "excessively overhyped". It's like saying there are other Street Fighter characters which are more deserving of attention than Ryu.

Plus Hoenn for example is getting plenty of attention this gen. They got a remake and a **** ton of Megas. Right now I even believe it's the region with the most Megas. IMO that's not really deserved compared to Kanto for example, since Kanto has bigger importance in the series than Hoenn.

Prior to my arrival at PC, I have met an overwhelming number of people who worship the original games like gods and dissed every other version. "GEN ONE IS THE BEST. Pokemon has gone downhill ever since gold and silver". Anyone who wanted to discuss about pokemon in other generations were subject to condemnation. I guess this experience changed how I view pokemon generations.

Kanto has appeared in four straight generations, and it still can be accessed on modern consoles. To me, the region still feels very 'new' and has no need for a remake. Yes it is the region that started it all, but it gets really boring without much new content. What I hope is the return of Kanto in Gen VII with an all new storyline with new characters, but a Kanto remake now instead of a Hoenn remake? I will disapprove.

HollyYoshi September 18th, 2014 12:05 PM

I'd love to see Kanto in the graphical style of the current games and not necessarily a R/B remake. A brand new adventure would actually be pretty cool now that I think about it.

Hiatus September 18th, 2014 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wicked3DS (Post 8440767)
Kanto hasn't been in a game in 4 years, and hasn't been the primary focus of a game in now 10 years (North American 10th anniversary was the 9th). It hasn't been overdone, so I say we give it another look after OR/AS and the third X/Y installment run their courses - it would probably not happen until 2016/17, which would make the gap even further since we saw Kanto.

In terms of towns, cities, routes, and other locations, they could make some major aesthetic changes if they choose, so that Kanto feels like an entirely new region and not something we've explored before. Story-line in this generation of games would likely take place in future (a decade or two after original RBY and GSC events, maybe?), and that's more than enough time for things to change.

I'm not sure how many people would like seeing that, but I personally would.

Wicked3DS September 19th, 2014 4:12 AM

Hmm, I'm not opposed to the idea, but honestly if I'm playing a Red/Blue remake, I'm going to want some nostalgia value, which would be lost there. I think for me I would always be trying to think of it like Red/Blue even if it wasn't trying to be and it just wouldn't work; call it an unfortunate bias? I think it's a cool concept, but I'd have to get past my own nostalgia lenses.

NotThatOneAgain September 19th, 2014 11:51 PM

Yet ANOTHER Kanto remake. I know they are running out of ideas, they had been since 2004. But it's a pretty bad excuse for not coming up with something new.

We want complete new regions, not rehashing old ones. Period.

Alpha_Spike September 20th, 2014 12:08 AM

I think this would be pretty good, though personally I'd like to see Gen VI be the last generation, and have all previous regions get remade in their own games, even going as far as to split Kanto and Johto into two games, with full new plotlines and everything. And have the Unova region encompass the locations from White/Black and B2/W2 in one game.

Also in regards to the Silver talk from above, about the legality of training, you can have your own pokemon at any age, but your journey for gyms/contests/any competitive style challenge requires you to be at least 10 years old.

Morgnarok September 30th, 2014 4:54 PM

I don't ever want to see Kanto ever again and this is from someone who started when Kanto was the only region in 1998. I'm more interested in Diamond/Pearl remakes/Pokemon Z and 7th gen coming.

Hiatus October 1st, 2014 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha_Spike (Post 8443077)
Also in regards to the Silver talk from above, about the legality of training, you can have your own pokemon at any age, but your journey for gyms/contests/any competitive style challenge requires you to be at least 10 years old.

Ah, that makes sense. However, if you're unable to compete in any competitive style challenges until you're ten, then yes; if he did make appearance in new Red and Blue remakes, which would take place before GSC events, we likely won't have any chance of battling against Silver, unfortunately. I'd definitely like it, though, personally, but if you think about it enough, things like this will not make much sense.

Wicked3DS October 1st, 2014 8:19 PM

I personally think people are being a bit harsh for not wanting Kanto ever again. You wouldn't be on this forum without it, ya know. This coming from the biggest Genwunner.

PokéWreX October 2nd, 2014 12:06 PM

I love gen 1, its the generation that started my love for pokemon and it would be great to see it in the x/y engine. However i wouldn't like it to be a straight remake and i think it could be enhanced if after kanto you went to johto for a remade gen 2! Kind of like gold/silver but the other way round

Vinny Vidi Vici October 2nd, 2014 12:28 PM

I was playing Smash 64 the other day and specifically the Saffron City stage in the game had me wondering about a possible 3D version of Kanto, and really with the way everything is laid out in it, I can't see how it would translate into 3D. Part of the beauty of the early pokemon games for me was playing the game on the primitive game boy looking at all the simple sprite work and design, but then imagining it in full detail in your minds eye. Because everything was kept so basic and minimalist it really let the imagination go wild. Even at the very start of the game in Pallet town there were those divider things at the edge of the town as kids we'd talk about what was beyond there and if or how you could get beyond them. In a fully realised 3D Kanto you'd lose a lot of those touches and it just wouldn't feel like the same place you'd dreamed up all those years ago.

Wicked3DS October 5th, 2014 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny Vidi Vici (Post 8457344)
I was playing Smash 64 the other day and specifically the Saffron City stage in the game had me wondering about a possible 3D version of Kanto, and really with the way everything is laid out in it, I can't see how it would translate into 3D. Part of the beauty of the early pokemon games for me was playing the game on the primitive game boy looking at all the simple sprite work and design, but then imagining it in full detail in your minds eye. Because everything was kept so basic and minimalist it really let the imagination go wild. Even at the very start of the game in Pallet town there were those divider things at the edge of the town as kids we'd talk about what was beyond there and if or how you could get beyond them. In a fully realised 3D Kanto you'd lose a lot of those touches and it just wouldn't feel like the same place you'd dreamed up all those years ago.

You make a very interesting point here. A region like Kanto would feel a bit different when remade in the style of X and Y because you would need to keep the nostalgia factor in play, and it would be strange to alter the linear nature of those original games as well. I think a good remake could be done, but it would have to be approached much differently than, say, OR/AS.

Hiatus October 6th, 2014 5:17 PM

I agree. Though, right now, there could possibly be more newer fans than those of whom played RBY and FRLG originally, so if they'd like to keep both sides satisfied, I suppose they'll likely have to find a good middle-ground.

What I believe would be nice if they could perhaps implement a way for us to swap graphics style between classic (ones from FireRed, LeafGreen, Ruby, Sapphire, and so forth) and advanced (XY-style). Not exactly sure how tough it'd be when it actually comes to incorporating--could imagine it to be a little more difficult than average, since they would have to develop two versions of each tile, over-world, map, and other things--but I could imagine it to be worth it.

Plus, if they do manage to create such a feature, they could use it in future games at any time.

Ovi October 13th, 2014 1:40 PM

I wish I can see the day when they make one massive game were they incorporate all the regions and for once let us be able to catch all the Pokémon. I am not saying find all of them in the grass but I loved how in Gen 3 you had to solve all these puzzles to catch the regis. A fan can dream can't he?

PikaEeveeChu October 13th, 2014 2:09 PM

^I totally agree with you, but I guess they won't let that happen 'cause they want everyone to trade to get all the pokemon. But I'd love to see a remake of the originals. That would indeed be awesome.

ウィザード October 13th, 2014 2:23 PM

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I wish I can see the day when they make one massive game were they incorporate all the regions and...

That's never going to happen. Whenever I talk about Pokémon with a semi-large group of people, there's always one person who kind of knows what they're talking about, and one person who hasn't played Pokémon in years. Now, the problem is always the person who kind of knows what he is talking about, as he will mention the "Pokémon: Rainbow Version" that was supposedly confirmed the week before, and then everyone else in the group will believe it. Nintendo is in it to make money, they're not going to make a game that combines all of the games.

Sure, maybe they'll make it easier to fill your PokéDex, but that's it. You will never travel back to the other regions, that's what remakes are for. This topic has been discussed since Gen 3, it's never going to happen.

MarcEddy October 13th, 2014 2:51 PM

how about dp remakes next?

ウィザード October 14th, 2014 2:08 PM

Diamond and Pearl remakes definitely won't happen until at least Nintendo's next generation of handheld's is released. Whenever the true successor to the 3DS is released you can probably expect to receive Sinnoh remakes within whatever generation of Pokémon launches on that system.

Arylett Charnoa October 14th, 2014 4:13 PM

I'd like to see them remake every generation in three dimensions. Including the first, because I actually haven't played that one as much. I've barely gone through Generation I, but I have gone through Generation II Kanto a lot. Still, it would be nice and I wouldn't disapprove. I'd probably get it. And hopefully after that, they'd go ahead and remake Generation II, IV, and V. I'd especially like those more than the first generation.

Hiatus October 14th, 2014 5:16 PM

This might be a little off-topic, but I feel that it would take a while for us to see Johto make appearance again in main-series game (as a base region, where storyline takes place), as we've had it very recently in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I suppose same could be applied for Kanto, but one thing that differentiates this region from former, I believe, is it was only a post-game location, and did not play much of a major part.

Ovi October 22nd, 2014 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ウィザード (Post 8468234)
That's never going to happen. Whenever I talk about Pokémon with a semi-large group of people, there's always one person who kind of knows what they're talking about, and one person who hasn't played Pokémon in years. Now, the problem is always the person who kind of knows what he is talking about, as he will mention the "Pokémon: Rainbow Version" that was supposedly confirmed the week before, and then everyone else in the group will believe it. Nintendo is in it to make money, they're not going to make a game that combines all of the games.

Sure, maybe they'll make it easier to fill your PokéDex, but that's it. You will never travel back to the other regions, that's what remakes are for. This topic has been discussed since Gen 3, it's never going to happen.

You speak with certainty, but as a company Nintendo has to take into account the demand of their costumers. After all if it wasn't for us the consumers there would be no Nintendo. I feel that if enough fans request it. Nintendo will acknowledge it and give us their half attempt to satisfy the crowd

Liberal Army October 22nd, 2014 1:37 AM

Please not a remake. The games were so bad storywise. Storyline made absolutely no sense, you could skip like 5 Gym Badges, there was no real plan on where to go to, you just did something that felt right, and the region was overall boring.
Make a sequel, show us how much Kanto has changed in like, 4 years? Show us how the characters have changed, which gym leaders have retired, what has become of Cinnabar Island, Red who finally returned and Giovanni who is a good guy now.

But if Kanto ever reappears in a non-remake, then make a game or games in which you can travel to al the regions. Sounds like a good 25 year anniversary to me.

Hiatus October 22nd, 2014 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberal Army (Post 8476630)
Make a sequel, show us how much Kanto has changed in like, 4 years? Show us how the characters have changed, which gym leaders have retired, what has become of Cinnabar Island, Red who finally returned and Giovanni who is a good guy now.

Sequel wouldn't be so bad. Although it's sort of hard to imagine bringing any previous bad guys back--such as Team Rocket, as they have already been defeated--for protagonist to chase off, they're always able to introduce new ones, which, I'm sure, would be welcomed by many of us.

Also, this'd allow us to finally see how Kanto is in their new graphical style, which some fans have been waiting for for a while.

Wicked3DS October 22nd, 2014 8:24 PM

The thing with a Kanto sequel is that Gold/Silver are supposed to be sequels in their own right, so would this take place before, during, or after Gold/Silver? And then, would their stories be separate or together? This is quite an eye-popping idea.

Thursday October 23rd, 2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberal Army (Post 8476630)
Make a sequel, show us how much Kanto has changed in like, 4 years? Show us how the characters have changed, which gym leaders have retired, what has become of Cinnabar Island, Red who finally returned and Giovanni who is a good guy now.

This. I like Kanto and all but I don't want another rehash of the same generation we already have. I want to see what happened to Kanto after Johto seemingly took over. I don't know about everyone else but, in my opinion, Gold/Silver/Crystal/SS/HG had made Kanto seem like people were moving away and the region becoming deserted. Plus, we already saw how things had changed in 2-3 years. I want to know how it becomes 10+ years later.

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Originally Posted by Peitharchia (Post 8441714)
In terms of towns, cities, routes, and other locations, they could make some major aesthetic changes if they choose, so that Kanto feels like an entirely new region and not something we've explored before.

I could see them reusing a lot of the areas for Gen 1. My only really big want would be for them to use Lumiose City kind of graphics for Saffron City (or maybe Fuchsia City) and give it the kind of towers that are in Super Smash Bros. I just hope they wouldn't add any more cafes.

Hiatus October 23rd, 2014 6:11 PM

I agree, them using Lumiose City graphics and whatnot would be pretty cool. I've always loved Castelia from Black and White due to how unique and city-like it seemed, but they've managed to impress me (as well as a lot of others, I'm sure) even further with Lumiose.

Though, I could imagine them improving and changing some things before incorporating, so that things don't closely resemble. If they're creating these remakes on a newer generation, I believe they'd be pushing their graphical style more, and with that, things such as buildings, trees, streetlights, and so forth would be looking more dynamic, I feel.

If they're planning to make these games sequels rather than remakes, I suppose things could be changed even further, with, as an example, buildings and whatnot being added or removed.

Thursday October 23rd, 2014 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Peitharchia (Post 8478147)
I agree, them using Lumiose City graphics and whatnot would be pretty cool. I've always loved Castelia from Black and White due to how unique and city-like it seemed, but they've managed to impress me (as well as a lot of others, I'm sure) even further with Lumiose.

Though, I could imagine them improving and changing some things before incorporating, so that things don't closely resemble. If they're creating these remakes on a newer generation, I believe they'd be pushing their graphical style more, and with that, things such as buildings, trees, streetlights, and so forth would be looking more dynamic, I feel.

If they're planning to make these games sequels rather than remakes, I suppose things could be changed even further, with, as an example, buildings and whatnot being added or removed.

My only scare for a Lumiose-like Saffron city is if they add Cafe or Cafe-like places that don't really have that great of a use. I would love for them to make it where you could go into a building and maybe go out onto their second/third/fourth/whatever floor and look out a window and see what the area looks like from that angle. I would have loved to have been able to do that in Lumiose. That, or look from the top of Prism Tower and see the city.

Hiatus October 24th, 2014 5:59 PM

Yeah, that would be pretty cool; it'll be nice to be seeing the city through window from a different angles and whatnot, which could perhaps be able to show us some things we weren't seeing before, such as items hidden between trees (hope I'm making sense!).

I'm not sure what their chances are of getting a hold of such an idea, but I'm sure it won't be too tough for them to execute, considering that they've officially moved away from 2D graphics in generation six.

Skat October 27th, 2014 7:06 AM

It would honestly be a great idea especially for the people who never had the change to play those games(Like me -sniffle-) and maybe it would be more facinating in 3D for the newest age since the old graphics wouldn't impress anymore but think of the other side.
If the kanto region would be recreated the old pokemon fans(not all but most) would of may be bored to it since they will see the same pokemon over and over again which might make them to lose their impress and it would be like the Game Freak is staying on the old fashion and probably don't have any ideas of new pokemon so they keep updating the old games which might be boring to watch and play the same plot and characters all the time being.
On the other side they have been already making Alpha Shapphire and Omega Ruby which will be released soon and this is already an old remake which will allow alot of people having the taste of the old and new fashioned pokemon style as the mix of Kanto and Y X generation which will be really interesting and fun but it will be a little bit worrying if they will get to make a 3d remake of Red and Blue because it will put us to think pokemon is remaining out of ideas so there may be no other pokemon generation.And trust meh the 70% of people who enjoy the pokemon series and games out there are already curious for the next generation and the new pokemon and we all are waiting with a small agony to see what other surprises Game Freak is having for us.

Maybe because the newest fans might stick better with the new ideas,sadly we can't bring every past games to life because this way we will see older pokemon again and again and it might be awesome sometimes but sometimes it's not.And Pokemon will lose many fans this way if you will think about it,despite how exciting it might be.
Imma sorreh if this message sounded non-friendly or rude(or dissapointing),I never had those intentions I am just saying a small opinion on that threadeh.

But on the other hand Game freak would do that as a bonus update on the next generation?It would be like even more excited if they will be able to update the older generation with a huge mix of the new ones and there might be a different and more exciting plot to complete!

blue November 7th, 2014 2:49 PM

I'd say this has some potential now. I remember reading somewhere that the game-origin value for X & Y is 24/25 and Alpha Sapphire & Omega Ruby is 26 and 27 respectively. This means that only two more games can display a pentagon on X/Y (28 & 29) and with the 20th anniversary release of Red & Blue approaching in 2016, it would be a very suitable release in that time frame. It would also mean that Generation VI would last for 3 years, just as Generation V did.

Also to mention the fact that Fire Red & Leaf Green were released two years after Ruby & Sapphire, and two years after 2014 (release of ORAS) would be 2016 (the 20th anniversary).

mew_nani November 7th, 2014 4:33 PM

It might be neat to have a new remake of Pokemon Red and Blue. A lot of things were planned for Firered and Leafgreen but were cut due to time constraints, like Sevii Isles 8 and 9, and there's a ton of strange things that could be neat for events (Pattern Bush anyone?) But if they try and push Mega Evolution and retcon a bunch of things just for that I probably won't be too happy,

But I do have one request.... Can they PLEASE put Mew under the truck?

Sopheria November 7th, 2014 4:35 PM

I think it would be really cool to revisit the Kanto region in 3D. At the same time...two remakes in one generation, one of which being a remake of a remake? Doesn't seem likely to me. The idea of a sequel or at least a game that takes place in the Kanto region but at a different point in time with a different story has potential, imo.

I'd just really like to see regions finally get re-visited for once. It's like we only ever have one adventure in a region, and then it just goes stale and we never get to see how the worlds develop or how the region and characters change with the passing of time--that's part of the reason why I loved BW2 and GSC so much. It'd be nice to see them finally start revisiting the regions, especially Kanto :)

Hiatus November 7th, 2014 5:50 PM

Yep, I second the games being sequels (taking place at a later time) due to all reasons I've stated in my previous posts, haha. Though, most of it is from my own point of view, but am sure many of us could agree.

We've visited Kanto around four times thus far, with two focusing around original plot, and other two being connected with Johto storyline, if you know what I mean. If we're going to get another chance to see this place at some point in future, I believe it would be pretty intriguing to see how Kanto develops itself years after initial RBGY events.

Voltobal November 20th, 2014 12:33 AM

I don't know if someone already mentioned this idea, but what about a Blue remake on the Wii-U (in stunning HD *drools*) with all 151 Pokémon catchable. It's unlikely, but if they ever will make a main entry Pokemon game on a home console, the Wii-U is the perfect (and only) choice for it thanks to its controller.

GiraKoth November 20th, 2014 12:58 PM

They will never make a main entry Pokémon game on Wii U or any other home console. They already explained why (because Pokémon mean Pocket Monster and so the game has to be portable).
However, seing a BRY remake could be nice, and the fact that there's still two games for Gen VI (see what Hoenn said before), that could be a possibility (but we could also get XY sequels for exemple).
If those remakes are made, which is quite possible with the coming of Pokémon Red and Pokémon Green 20th anniversary, however, I wonder what they could add more...

Mega_Kris November 20th, 2014 2:57 PM

Normally I would like a remake but each time they make a remake they add in some of the current Gen Pokémon. That's a bit of an issue for me as it completely distorts the the series and the Gen order....I personally wouldn't mind if they made a duo title where they have both the Gen I and II story. Their both heavily interconnected and I rather have it close to the original as possible.

That includes using Kris rather than Lyra.

epicbiscuit23 November 20th, 2014 3:19 PM

No. Red and blue got remakes. On the GBA

Hiatus November 20th, 2014 5:12 PM

If they do decide to create another Red and Blue remake in future, on whatever console it may be, I believe it would be nice if they were to add more events in Sevii Islands. When it comes to creating remakes, I don't believe they don't have to put much effort into writing scripts, as they already have them available from previous versions (though, I could imagine them to update a few things for compatibility reasons). With that in mind, if they do decide to make new ones, these could turn into "extras," which don't necessarily have to be part of main story-line (post-game, rather--more Sevii Islands content). I hope I'm making a bit of sense here, haha. Though, none of this would matter if they decide to go with sequels, and not remakes.

The ??? December 18th, 2014 11:03 PM

Like most of people here said.. If gamefreak develops a game with an updated looking Kanto that has various new important characters, few sidequests, some NPCs that talk about Kalos, Unova etc region.
Orange League, a great story of Legendaries (like in hoenn, sinnoh) etc..

I'd buy the **** out of this game. After all, Kanto is my favourite region. WE NEED A GAME LIKE THIS!

morrison December 19th, 2014 1:25 AM

they could make a 20 year anniversary in which the kid of the original protagonist gets his first pkmn from gary oak and have a new story.

Hiatus December 19th, 2014 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by morrison (Post 8538549)
they could make a 20 year anniversary in which the kid of the original protagonist gets his first pkmn from gary oak and have a new story.

It would be interesting to see how the story unfolds! If our original protagonist were to get his or her own child and whatnot, Professor Oak would likely be retired by then, so getting starter Pokémon from someone else is an option. Obtaining them from Gary Oak would seem right; he might not precisely be a professor himself (nor an assistant, like Bianca), but he would indeed be a former Champion, and being handed something by such a person does sound like a good way to start off the game (at least to me). I hope I'm making a bit of sense here, haha.

Wicked3DS December 19th, 2014 4:32 AM

I can't believe this thread is still going :P

A Pokémon from Gary Oak for Red's son, eh? That sounds pretty awesome.

I was just thinking last night how awesome it would be if we got a remake of the original games. They could do a whole lot of different things to shake up the game and make it a brand new experience.

BettyNewbie December 19th, 2014 10:51 AM

This is kind of a controversial topic (as I've learned the hard way elsewhere), but here are my thoughts...

Now that OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire are out, Generation 1 is the last Generation to be unavailable on the 3DS, as neither RBY or FRLG can be played on anything newer than a DS Lite (a very obsolete handheld that's only becoming harder to find as time goes on). Furthermore, the games themselves aren't exactly easy to find, either. Being GB/C games, RBY suffer from dead batteries (albeit, not to the extent as GSC) and extremely outdated graphics/mechanics. Even FRLG aren't a whole lot better, lacking all of the graphical and mechanical improvements (as well as Pokémon) that have been added to the games after Gen 3, and since they were created for the most hacked/bootlegged handheld ever, finding a legit copy is an absolute nightmare nowadays. (And, if you find one, get ready to pay a ton of $$$ for it, because old Pokémon games sell for big bucks, nowadays.)

Aside from the gameplay/mechanical reasons, there's another valid reason to remake Generation 1 again--The timeline. Aside from the obvious reason of having Fairies and Megas exist in both Hoenn and Gen 1 Kanto (which are supposed to take place at the same time), there are also some HUGE continuity conflicts between Yellow and FRLG in regards to HGSS, as I've explained elsewhere:

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I think the root of the whole problem with the "remakes vs originals" argument is the fact that FRLG didn't incorporate anything from Yellow, despite that being the canon game for Gen 1, as established by GSC, and HGSS were designed more as GSC remakes than FRLG sequels, so the Yellow callbacks remained, even though they no longer made sense with the timeline.

Just like HGSS were able to merge the Gold/Silver and Crystal storylines, FRLG should've also been able to merge Red/Blue and Yellow. They could've given all of the Gym Leaders their Yellow teams, for example, and had Jessie/James appear just like they did in Yellow (except as a double battle, this time). Also, they could've given the player a non-evolving Pikachu with a Light Ball early in the game (Viridian Forest, maybe?) and handed out the other two starters somewhere in the postgame. And, ideally, Pikachu (and the starters) would've always been following you, just like in Yellow.

(Interestingly, one Yellow-exclusive that almost returned in FRLG was the Pikachu's Beach minigame, as proven by unused data for a house interior located on Route 19. So many missed opportunities with these games...)
A proper remake that either straight-up remakes Yellow or incorporates elements from both Red/Blue and Yellow would solve this debate once and for all.

Captain Oshawott December 19th, 2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8539085)
A proper remake that either straight-up remakes Yellow or incorporates elements from both Red/Blue and Yellow would solve this debate once and for all.

Precisely this... the twentieth anniversary of Pokemon is next year. This is a monumental milestone for many gaming franchises, and what better way to celebrate than to give the original fans a blast from the past, while letting the new fans experience what we did years ago?

Much like you said, but a bit of my own personal opinion, I'd really just like to see a special Yellow remake next year. That way the folks that would argue about FRLG being the R/B remakes wouldn't have a reason to complain. Yellow was Red/Blue but in a way... better. The likelihood of this occuring, however, is slim. The reason obviously being that Yellow was supposed to mimic the Anime, and the Anime is so far along that many new fans wouldn't quite understand. I could be completely wrong, however.

Needless to say, as much as many people might rage about it, 2015 needs to bring about remakes for Red & Blue, or just Yellow. It'd be a nice 20th anniversary 'gift' to the original Pokemon fans that still play the series, and it'd introduce the new fans into the stories that started it all, brought forward to better technologies for ease of access.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 19th, 2014 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8539085)
This is kind of a controversial topic (as I've learned the hard way elsewhere), but here are my thoughts...

Now that OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire are out, Generation 1 is the last Generation to be unavailable on the 3DS, as neither RBY or FRLG can be played on anything newer than a DS Lite (a very obsolete handheld that's only becoming harder to find as time goes on). Furthermore, the games themselves aren't exactly easy to find, either. Being GB/C games, RBY suffer from dead batteries (albeit, not to the extent as GSC) and extremely outdated graphics/mechanics. Even FRLG aren't a whole lot better, lacking all of the graphical and mechanical improvements (as well as Pokémon) that have been added to the games after Gen 3, and since they were created for the most hacked/bootlegged handheld ever, finding a legit copy is an absolute nightmare nowadays. (And, if you find one, get ready to pay a ton of $$$ for it, because old Pokémon games sell for big bucks, nowadays.)

Aside from the gameplay/mechanical reasons, there's another valid reason to remake Generation 1 again--The timeline. Aside from the obvious reason of having Fairies and Megas exist in both Hoenn and Gen 1 Kanto (which are supposed to take place at the same time), there are also some HUGE continuity conflicts between Yellow and FRLG in regards to HGSS, as I've explained elsewhere:



A proper remake that either straight-up remakes Yellow or incorporates elements from both Red/Blue and Yellow would solve this debate once and for all.

How was Yellow established as the canon game anyways? Is it because Red has Pikachu and all of the Kanto starters?

Yellow is more of a special instead of a proper third version. FrLg incorperated things from the "proper third version" which was Japanese only, that being blue with the appearance rates and exclusives.
It'll be weird to have two pair of remakes in one Gen, especially since all of the Kanto legends and the starters/mascots are available in XY. It'll be better if GF start Gen VII in 2016 (the 20th anniversary) and make the games take place in Kanto or perhaps in what lies north of Kanto and have Kanto for post game.

BettyNewbie December 19th, 2014 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Oshawott (Post 8539162)
Much like you said, but a bit of my own personal opinion, I'd really just like to see a special Yellow remake next year. That way the folks that would argue about FRLG being the R/B remakes wouldn't have a reason to complain. Yellow was Red/Blue but in a way... better. The likelihood of this occuring, however, is slim. The reason obviously being that Yellow was supposed to mimic the Anime, and the Anime is so far along that many new fans wouldn't quite understand. I could be completely wrong, however.

Needless to say, as much as many people might rage about it, 2015 needs to bring about remakes for Red & Blue, or just Yellow. It'd be a nice 20th anniversary 'gift' to the original Pokemon fans that still play the series, and it'd introduce the new fans into the stories that started it all, brought forward to better technologies for ease of access.

The entire first Generation, in general, is old now. Did you know when FRLG came out? 2004. That's 10 years ago. There are many fans who were in diapers or weren't even born yet when those games were released.

And, they were made for an obsolete handheld with obsolete graphics and mechanics. Hard to believe it, but FRLG didn't even have things like a physical/special split or a real time clock, let alone Fairies and Megas. Do people really expect newer fans who want to experience the first Generation to go hunt down a DS Lite and deal with graphics and mechanics far older than they're used to? Sure, emulators exist, but they're not entirely legal, and they don't have any connectivity with the newer games, so they can't be a solution.

And, then, there's the timeline. FRLG don't even take place on the same timeline as the newest games anymore, and just as Paramount isn't rushing to make another spinoff of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Game Freak isn't rushing to continue the storyline of Beta Reality Prime. You can't make a sequel of something that doesn't exist, and as far as GF is concerned, Generation 1 doesn't.

A new remake is the only way to go at this point, and a 20th Anniversary Yellow remake (as you suggested) would be the perfect way to do it. Anime references or not, Yellow is more canon than the other two (in regards to GSC), and it *is* a better, more complete game--all three starters, better Gym teams, game versions of the TRio (Who would be a double battle in a remake), following Pikachu (who would have the Light Ball in a remake), etc. Bring it on!

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8539398)
How was Yellow established as the canon game anyways? Is it because Red has Pikachu and all of the Kanto starters?

Yellow is more of a special instead of a proper third version. FrLg incorperated things from the "proper third version" which was Japanese only, that being blue with the appearance rates and exclusives..

Oh, not this argument again. *eyeroll* If any game was a "special edition," it was JP Blue. It was only released to subscribers of a certain magazine, and only in *one* country. It didn't bring anything new to the table except less-ugly graphics and different wild encounters (which weren't actually carried over to FRLG, anyways).

Yellow, on the other hand, was a true Third Version, in that it altered the plot and added new events and characters, just as Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum would later do for their respective Generations. Just because it took a few cues from the then-popular anime doesn't make it any less canon (or, good, as it's often implied).

Now, as to why it's canon in regards to GSC, well, I wrote this at another site:

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The most canon version of Generation 1's story is undoubtedly Yellow. There's just no getting around Red's canon team. Why else would he have an overleveled Pikachu as his ace if it wasn't his (non-evolving) starter? And, in what other game could you get all three Kanto starters without trading? Based on Snorlax and Espeon, his team was clearly meant to be entirely made up of Gift/Event Pokémon, and Yellow is the only game where all of those Pokémon were given to you.

But, it's more than just Red's team. It's Koga and Erika, as well. Koga's ace was Weezing in Red/Blue, while it was Venomoth in Yellow. Guess which was on his GSC team? (Hint: It was the violet moth.)

Similarly, Erika's ace was Vileplume in Red/Blue, while it was Gloom in Yellow. Her ace was Bellossom in GSC. Bellossom comes from Gloom, not Vileplume. You do the math.

And, it's also worth pointing out that Red and Blue's GSC sprites are direct recolors of their sprites from Yellow. The Yellow sprites also happen to more closely resemble their official art than the Red and Blue sprites.

The only thing in GSC that explicitly points back to Red/Blue instead of Yellow is Blue's team, but even then, it didn't include a starter, so that doesn't mean a whole lot. And, that's just one Red/Blue reference among all of these Yellow references.

Now, as for Jessie and James... Some may ask, "If Yellow's canon, then why weren't they in GSC?" And, to that I say, "So what?" Lorelei and Agatha neither appeared or were referenced in GSC, either. Are they not canon, as well? Three whole years separate Yellow from GSC, so who knows what became of Jessie and James in the time between then? They might have been in a completely different region for all we knew.

ggctuk December 20th, 2014 2:42 AM

Given Yellow was my first ever GB game (and indeed the first game I ever played), I would love to see a game based on it, or a full-blown enhanced remake, with all the features that have made it into the Generation VI games so far.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8539487)
The entire first Generation, in general, is old now. Did you know when FRLG came out? 2004. That's 10 years ago. There are many fans who were in diapers or weren't even born yet when those games were released.

And, they were made for an obsolete handheld with obsolete graphics and mechanics. Hard to believe it, but FRLG didn't even have things like a physical/special split or a real time clock, let alone Fairies and Megas. Do people really expect newer fans who want to experience the first Generation to go hunt down a DS Lite and deal with graphics and mechanics far older than they're used to? Sure, emulators exist, but they're not entirely legal, and they don't have any connectivity with the newer games, so they can't be a solution.

And, then, there's the timeline. FRLG don't even take place on the same timeline as the newest games anymore, and just as Paramount isn't rushing to make another spinoff of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Game Freak isn't rushing to continue the storyline of Beta Reality Prime. You can't make a sequel of something that doesn't exist, and as far as GF is concerned, Generation 1 doesn't.

A new remake is the only way to go at this point, and a 20th Anniversary Yellow remake (as you suggested) would be the perfect way to do it. Anime references or not, Yellow is more canon than the other two (in regards to GSC), and it *is* a better, more complete game--all three starters, better Gym teams, game versions of the TRio (Who would be a double battle in a remake), following Pikachu (who would have the Light Ball in a remake), etc. Bring it on!



Oh, not this argument again. *eyeroll* If any game was a "special edition," it was JP Blue. It was only released to subscribers of a certain magazine, and only in *one* country. It didn't bring anything new to the table except less-ugly graphics and different wild encounters (which weren't actually carried over to FRLG, anyways).

Yellow, on the other hand, was a true Third Version, in that it altered the plot and added new events and characters, just as Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum would later do for their respective Generations. Just because it took a few cues from the then-popular anime doesn't make it any less canon (or, good, as it's often implied).

Now, as to why it's canon in regards to GSC, well, I wrote this at another site:


I don't think GF will be able to make the Yellow (and maybe they should add Blue too to make it a pair) remake in time though...as Gen VI seems like it only has two games left according to rumors about the games coding having data to trade to six versions, two being XY, another two apperantly are OrAs, and that only leaves 2 more which are likely Sequels/prequels/dual third versions or Pokemon Z and Delta Emerald. Well I guess they could go with Z and make Thunder Yellow...
Anyways it'll be lame as we can get all of the starters and all the pokemon from XY with ORAS filling in the gaps minus Mew...I think it'll be better for Gf to save it for the 25th anniversary in 2021 (which will likely be after DP remakes).

Btw FrLg still take place in the same timeline as ORAS except that ORAS is in alternate version of that same time period.
Actually one of the few reasons I would support a Yellow remake coming out this generation is that I want to see alternate Kanto in a world where Megas exist without them needing to contradict Gen VII anymore than it already contradicts itself. Well that and I wouldn't mind seeing a Mewtwo versus Mew post game similar to how we had the Delta Episode have Rayquaza Vs. Deoxys.

BettyNewbie December 20th, 2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540315)
Anyways it'll be lame as we can get all of the starters and all the pokemon from XY with ORAS filling in the gaps minus Mew...I think it'll be better for Gf to save it for the 25th anniversary in 2021 (which will likely be after DP remakes).

Frankly, it would be dumb to remake Gen 4 before Gen 1. Diamond may be getting old, but it can still be played on a 3DS. LeafGreen can't. Plus, Gen 4 still has things like a Physical/Special split, a day/night cycle, and 3D graphics that neither version of Gen 1 has.

Sure, *I* still own my old GBC, GBA SP, and Blue/Yellow cartridges (with working batteries, even), and the outdated graphics and mechanics of those games don't bother me a bit. But, that's not the case for most people, especially younger fans. They don't have any way to play the first Generation outside of 10-15 year old games on emulators, which as I said, will never be a solution.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540315)
Btw FrLg still take place in the same timeline as ORAS except that ORAS is in alternate version of that same time period.

An "alternate version of that same time period" is a different timeline. FRLG only exist alongside the original RSE, where Dark/Steel existed, but Fairies/Megas didn't. They can't exist in either the Alpha Reality (ie. RBY and GSC) or the Omega Reality (ie. ORAS and XY), because they would contradict too many details.

Yes, there is a version of Gen 1 that takes place in the Omega Reality, but it's a game that we haven't seen yet. That's where a new remake would come in.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540315)
Actually one of the few reasons I would support a Yellow remake coming out this generation is that I want to see alternate Kanto in a world where Megas exist without them needing to contradict Gen VII anymore than it already contradicts itself. Well that and I wouldn't mind seeing a Mewtwo versus Mew post game similar to how we had the Delta Episode have Rayquaza Vs. Deoxys.

That's exactly why I want a Yellow remake, too. I'm ready to see a modern Gen 1.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8540342)
Frankly, it would be dumb to remake Gen 4 before Gen 1. Diamond may be getting old, but it can still be played on a 3DS. LeafGreen can't. Plus, Gen 4 still has things like a Physical/Special split, a day/night cycle, and 3D graphics that neither version of Gen 1 has.

Sure, *I* still own my old GBC, GBA SP, and Blue/Yellow cartridges (with working batteries, even), and the outdated graphics and mechanics of those games don't bother me a bit. But, that's not the case for most people, especially younger fans. They don't have any way to play the first Generation outside of 10-15 year old games on emulators, which as I said, will never be a solution.



An "alternate version of that same time period" is a different timeline. FRLG only exist alongside the original RSE, where Dark/Steel existed, but Fairies/Megas didn't. They can't exist in either the Alpha Reality (ie. RBY and GSC) or the Omega Reality (ie. ORAS and XY), because they would contradict too many details.

Yes, there is a version of Gen 1 that takes place in the Omega Reality, but it's a game that we haven't seen yet. That's where a new remake would come in.



That's exactly why I want a Yellow remake, too. I'm ready to see a modern Gen 1.

Speaking about alternates if they do bring back Gen I/Gen III style Kanto then we'll see Kanto in all the different alternate world established thus far. I wonder about the mascots...if they do make only Yellow how will they make Pikachu special like how they made Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) special? Allow it to evolve and have Mega Raichu which is Yellow thus still fitting the game's name? Maybe special Pikachu that is the only intermediate evolution that can Mega evolve? Or maybe a Pichu will be the starter instead with it gradually evolving. Perhaps they could make it so that Pikachu learns a special move at Lv. 100 that it can't learn as a Raichu to make people keep it as a Pikachu longer. Personally I wouldn't mind them acknowlodging Pikachu's pre evolution and evolution. At least have Pichu...

Btw the reason I put DP remakes first is because of the thus far patter/coincidence of the games getting remade every 2 extra years added to the time of the remakes prior with their originals like FrLg had 8 between theirs, and HgSs had 10, and OrAs had 12. So it stands to reason that DP may be 14 (it can't be 8 as this is their 8th, and it very likely won't be 10 as 2016 will be that and we'll likely get Gen VII or Z by then) so 2020 seems like a reasonable time. It's really hard to place another Kanto remake into a time where it'll make sense to have it take place without something else coming before it.

windsagesety December 20th, 2014 1:13 PM

With how outdated FR/LG are in terms of mechanics (lacking many things such as the Physical/Special split, Fairy Types, a Day/Night cycle, etc...), I think a game returning to Kanto is inevitable. That being said, I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'd want a re-remake or a new game completely that takes place in the Kanto region X amount of years before/after the events of RBY/FRLG.

I think we can all admit that, regardless of how much we liked the Kanto games, that Kanto is pretty lacking as a region when compared to some of the newer ones. And even by Pokemon standards, the plot isn't that good. Obviously, most of the problems with Kanto when compared to other regions come from the fact that it was the first ever region and Game Freak were most likely limited in what they could do by the Gameboy's limitations, but regardless of that, Game Freak will have to make some large changes to Kanto, the plot, and the Pokemon distribution in order to prevent the hypothetical remakes from seeming boring to newer fans of the series to the point where it'll seem like a different game entirely. For this reason I feel that, instead of giving us RBY remakes, they should make a new game that takes place in the Kanto region a certain amount of years after the events of RBY (or have it take place at the same time as the originals but in a different timeline like ORAS).

I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed Gen 2 / Gen 4 Kanto and (kinda) liked B2/W2 Unova; being able to see how the region had changed was something that I found really interesting and to this day I hope that Game Freak will do something similar with another region. The one complaint that I did have about this though was that after a certain point, the region just felt the same as it was in the previous game due to a rather small time difference (only a few years). So I feel like a sequel/alternate timeline game taking place in Kanto definitely has potential. Hopefully if such games are made, Game Freak does make Kanto more interesting (perhaps the routes near Fuchsia City could be more like the southern part of Sinnoh's route 212, the routes near Lavender Town could have a darker tileset with dead trees or something, the Sevii Islands could have more content in general) as well as add in more postgame content since the Sevii Islands weren't really that great imo.

I'd be fine with a remake (perhaps a remake of Yellow instead of one of R/B/FR/LG?) or a new game taking place in Kanto, but I'd honestly prefer the latter.

Captain Oshawott December 20th, 2014 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8539487)
The entire first Generation, in general, is old now. Did you know when FRLG came out? 2004. That's 10 years ago. There are many fans who were in diapers or weren't even born yet when those games were released.

And, they were made for an obsolete handheld with obsolete graphics and mechanics. Hard to believe it, but FRLG didn't even have things like a physical/special split or a real time clock, let alone Fairies and Megas. Do people really expect newer fans who want to experience the first Generation to go hunt down a DS Lite and deal with graphics and mechanics far older than they're used to? Sure, emulators exist, but they're not entirely legal, and they don't have any connectivity with the newer games, so they can't be a solution.

And, then, there's the timeline. FRLG don't even take place on the same timeline as the newest games anymore, and just as Paramount isn't rushing to make another spinoff of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Game Freak isn't rushing to continue the storyline of Beta Reality Prime. You can't make a sequel of something that doesn't exist, and as far as GF is concerned, Generation 1 doesn't.

A new remake is the only way to go at this point, and a 20th Anniversary Yellow remake (as you suggested) would be the perfect way to do it. Anime references or not, Yellow is more canon than the other two (in regards to GSC), and it *is* a better, more complete game--all three starters, better Gym teams, game versions of the TRio (Who would be a double battle in a remake), following Pikachu (who would have the Light Ball in a remake), etc. Bring it on!

My point exactly! At least someone else gets it, the last few people I had this discussion with crossed their arms, puffed their cheeks out, and had a tantrum. They didn't even offer a proper argument, they just said we don't need another Kanto remake, because "Kanto was boring". Then went on to say Diamond/Pearl/Platinum need a 3DS remake.

Hello? D/P/PT are all current gen. Granted they aren't in 3D, but neither is HG/SS! FR/LG, like you said, are the only Pokemon games that aren't current. So thank you for actually agreeing with me, and giving me a decent discussion on the topic :D .

BettyNewbie December 20th, 2014 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540411)
I wonder about the mascots...if they do make only Yellow how will they make Pikachu special like how they made Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) special? Allow it to evolve and have Mega Raichu which is Yellow thus still fitting the game's name? Maybe special Pikachu that is the only intermediate evolution that can Mega evolve? Or maybe a Pichu will be the starter instead with it gradually evolving. Perhaps they could make it so that Pikachu learns a special move at Lv. 100 that it can't learn as a Raichu to make people keep it as a Pikachu longer. Personally I wouldn't mind them acknowlodging Pikachu's pre evolution and evolution. At least have Pichu...

I wouldn't want to start with a Pichu; it's stats are terrible, even by Baby standards. Imagine just how much more of a nightmare Brock would be.

And, I also don't want Pikachu to get a Mega Evolution. It already obsoletes Raichu enough with the Light Ball. Instead, let Raichu have the Mega (either Electric/Fairy or Electric/Fighting).

Here are some ways Pikachu could stand out:

- Guaranteed Light Ball
- Learns Volt Tackle at L50 (instead of Thunder)
- Can learn Surf and Fly straight from the HMs
- Will always follow you (like in the originals)

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540411)
Btw the reason I put DP remakes first is because of the thus far patter/coincidence of the games getting remade every 2 extra years added to the time of the remakes prior with their originals like FrLg had 8 between theirs, and HgSs had 10, and OrAs had 12. So it stands to reason that DP may be 14 (it can't be 8 as this is their 8th, and it very likely won't be 10 as 2016 will be that and we'll likely get Gen VII or Z by then) so 2020 seems like a reasonable time. It's really hard to place another Kanto remake into a time where it'll make sense to have it take place without something else coming before it.

But, FRLG are OLDER than Diamond and Pearl! They're the last Generation to not be on a modern handheld, so it wouldn't be fair to skip them over for a Gen that is on one. People who want to replay Gen 4 can just find a copy of Platinum and stick it into their 3DS. Those who want to replay Gen 1 aren't so lucky.

Based on the pattern you pointed out, the Gen 1 remakes would come out in 2018, which happens to be the 20th anniversary of Yellow's release in Japan (9/12/1998) and Red & Blue's release in North America (9/28/1998). That would be a good time to do it.

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Originally Posted by The Sciz (Post 8540506)
With how outdated FR/LG are in terms of mechanics (lacking many things such as the Physical/Special split, Fairy Types, a Day/Night cycle, etc...), I think a game returning to Kanto is inevitable. That being said, I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'd want a re-remake or a new game completely that takes place in the Kanto region X amount of years before/after the events of RBY/FRLG.

I think we can all admit that, regardless of how much we liked the Kanto games, that Kanto is pretty lacking as a region when compared to some of the newer ones. And even by Pokemon standards, the plot isn't that good. Obviously, most of the problems with Kanto when compared to other regions come from the fact that it was the first ever region and Game Freak were most likely limited in what they could do by the Gameboy's limitations, but regardless of that, Game Freak will have to make some large changes to Kanto, the plot, and the Pokemon distribution in order to prevent the hypothetical remakes from seeming boring to newer fans of the series to the point where it'll seem like a different game entirely. For this reason I feel that, instead of giving us RBY remakes, they should make a new game that takes place in the Kanto region a certain amount of years after the events of RBY (or have it take place at the same time as the originals but in a different timeline like ORAS).

I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed Gen 2 / Gen 4 Kanto and (kinda) liked B2/W2 Unova; being able to see how the region had changed was something that I found really interesting and to this day I hope that Game Freak will do something similar with another region. The one complaint that I did have about this though was that after a certain point, the region just felt the same as it was in the previous game due to a rather small time difference (only a few years). So I feel like a sequel/alternate timeline game taking place in Kanto definitely has potential. Hopefully if such games are made, Game Freak does make Kanto more interesting (perhaps the routes near Fuchsia City could be more like the southern part of Sinnoh's route 212, the routes near Lavender Town could have a darker tileset with dead trees or something, the Sevii Islands could have more content in general) as well as add in more postgame content since the Sevii Islands weren't really that great imo.

I'd be fine with a remake (perhaps a remake of Yellow instead of one of R/B/FR/LG?) or a new game taking place in Kanto, but I'd honestly prefer the latter.

As I've said before, a problem with a sequel is that there isn't anything for it to be a sequel to. Neither RBY or FRLG exist on the current timeline, and GF isn't going to create any more games for a dead timeline. You need to have a BW before you can have a B2W2.

There's nothing stopping them from deepening the storyline and making Kanto more interesting in a remake. Look at what HGSS and ORAS did for their respective games. A remake would be part of a new timeline and on a new handheld, so they wouldn't (and shouldn't) be obligated to make an exact clone of the originals.

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Originally Posted by Captain Oshawott (Post 8540547)
My point exactly! At least someone else gets it, the last few people I had this discussion with crossed their arms, puffed their cheeks out, and had a tantrum. They didn't even offer a proper argument, they just said we don't need another Kanto remake, because "Kanto was boring". Then went on to say Diamond/Pearl/Platinum need a 3DS remake.

Hello? D/P/PT are all current gen. Granted they aren't in 3D, but neither is HG/SS! FR/LG, like you said, are the only Pokemon games that aren't current. So thank you for actually agreeing with me, and giving me a decent discussion on the topic :D .

Thank you! FRLG may be remakes, themselves, but they are OLD games that were made for a completely obsolete handheld. Why should Gen 1 be left to languish in the GBA era?

If you don't like Kanto, well, nobody would be forcing you to buy the game. I can't stand Hoenn, myself, but that didn't mean that Gen 3 wasn't in need of remakes. My personal preferences on whether or not a Generation "sucks" don't mean squat.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 6:06 PM

Well Gen 3 also includes FrLg (and Emerald), just saying. While Kanto is next to Unova as my least favorite regions (with Hoenn as my fav) I would like to see what they do with it's story line after seeing what they did with RS.

Btw saying FrLg were made for an obsolete console makes it sound like the GBA was already obsolete when the games themselves came out...

2018 won't be a bad time actually. I guess they could start Gen VII on 2016, have the third version/sequels on 2017 or 2019, have Yellow on 2018, have a break and have DP remakes. Or maybe Yellow will be like FrLg were to Emerald in Japan, those three were released in 2004 there. Maybe they could be release a couple of months after the start of Gen VIII which maybe 2018 (btw I just figured how you got this from my pattern...2004 plus 14. Then DP remakes by 2022? and HgSs remakes by 2028?), and have a third version in 2019, and by 2020 DP remakes. Of course if they do that then next will come HgSs remakes as they will eventually have as much issues as the main Kanto games do now...and then we Hoenn fans will want Delta Emerald (I will be way too old though at this rate)...and so on...

You know if they go ahead and remake Yellow they should throw in Johto and Hoenn...at least Johto to push keep the tide of another HgSs away for the time being. Since the Yellow was based on the anime they could take cues and add anime stuff to Johto. Essential a Yellow remake will become a tribute to the Original saga of the anime. Also that'll make Sinnoh the most outdated region design wise (well actually it is already as DPP were before HgSs and those had Kanto in them, and now Hoenn which was the former oldest has been remade).

RedJ December 20th, 2014 7:21 PM

Kanto remakes of some sort will have to happen at some point, especially with the alternate dimension thing they pulled in OR/AS. Still, though, Game Freak seems to have a problem with keeping the remakes far too close to the originals (FR/LG are the exact same but with a new coat of paint and the addition of the Seviii Islands which...weren't all that exciting, they tried with OR/AS but decided against adding certain things like a better Safari Zone and Gym Leader rematches in favor of keeping it close to R/S), so I'd prefer sequels over remakes if the remakes are going to be nothing but the same old same old but with Mega Evolutions and Fairy types. If people really want to experience the original stories that badly, then they could watch Pokemon Origins (which includes Mega Evolution to a small degree, so that covers that).

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
You know if they go ahead and remake Yellow they should throw in Johto and Hoenn...at least Johto to push keep the tide of another HgSs away for the time being. Since the Yellow was based on the anime they could take cues and add anime stuff to Johto. Essential a Yellow remake will become a tribute to the Original saga of the anime. Also that'll make Sinnoh the most outdated region design wise (well actually it is already as DPP were before HgSs and those had Kanto in them, and now Hoenn which was the former oldest has been remade).

I agree with Johto for that same reason, but...why Hoenn? It just got a remake and it was considered a different series anime wise.

BettyNewbie December 20th, 2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
Well Gen 3 also includes FrLg (and Emerald), just saying. While Kanto is next to Unova as my least favorite regions (with Hoenn as my fav) I would like to see what they do with it's story line after seeing what they did with RS.

I group remakes in with the Generation they were remaking, so FRLG = Gen 1, HGSS = Gen 2, ORAS = Gen 3, and so on.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
Btw saying FrLg were made for an obsolete console makes it sound like the GBA was already obsolete when the games themselves came out...

Well, technically, it was on the verge of becoming obsolete as that was the same year the DS was released. Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that the GBA is extremely outdated nowadays. If it wasn't, then ORAS wouldn't have been made.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
2018 won't be a bad time actually. I guess they could start Gen VII on 2016, have the third version/sequels on 2017 or 2019, have Yellow on 2018, have a break and have DP remakes. Or maybe Yellow will be like FrLg were to Emerald in Japan, those three were released in 2004 there. Maybe they could be release a couple of months after the start of Gen VIII which maybe 2018 (btw I just figured how you got this from my pattern...2004 plus 14. Then DP remakes by 2022? and HgSs remakes by 2028?), and have a third version in 2019, and by 2020 DP remakes. Of course if they do that then next will come HgSs remakes as they will eventually have as much issues as the main Kanto games do now...and then we Hoenn fans will want Delta Emerald (I will be way too old though at this rate)...and so on...

Well, if the "FRLG remake" is actually a Yellow remake, then the "HGSS remake" would probably be a Crystal remake. Based on that pattern, New!Yellow and New!Crystal would be 10 years apart, despite the games taking place three years apart.

Nitpicky or not, but one thing I didn't like about FRLG and HGSS is how much further apart they were from their respective originals. While RBY and GSC were made for the same handheld and had very similar graphics, FRLG and HGSS were made for different handhelds and had very different graphics. This had the (annoying, IMO) effect of making HGSS feel less like sequels than GSC did, especially with the lack of direct connectivity between the remakes (something the originals also had).

So, here's a radical idea--Why not do Yellow and Crystal in the same Gen? Let's treat Gen 2 more like the Gen 1 sequel it was meant to be and have it be the B2W2 to Gen 1's BW. While HGSS isn't anywhere near as outdated as FRLG, it (along with the Unova games) will be as soon as DPP become outdated enough to need remakes, so why not knock out two birds with one stone and ease the remake burden later on? Besides, Yellow and Crystal are both standalone games, and you know how much GF loves to release pairs. Why not do something different and put them together?

Aeroblast December 20th, 2014 10:41 PM

I'm actually sort of hoping for a yellow remake on 3DS instead. Or they could do all 3 but I don't really care otherwise.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 11:23 PM

@ Betty

I had a similar idea, but that includes both games in one cartridge. Like how the Kingdom Hearts Hd remakes had two games in one plus a movie.
For the game which could be called Pokemon Thunder Crystal it could have us play through Kanto first then have access to the Johto story line. They could spice up Johto's by giving Ho-oh, Lugia, the Beast trio, and the starters Megas. Also maybe a story where Ho-oh and Lugia become a central focus of the plot, at least to the level Suicune was in Crystal, with Suicune of course having the largest role. At the end when you challenge Red/Leaf! he/she could have the team you defeated the E4 with in the Kanto part (with it being updated with every new Hall of Fame.) If you chose Leaf then Red can appear in another area with his usual team but with a Mega of the starter nor picked. Also access to the PWT post game either where the old man is bulding something (yay a world where he actually completes it!) It'll be quite large but the Kanto region model can be reused except for some areas between the two so only Johto and perhaps the Sevii islands will be extra but those are small. I think the New 3DS may be able to handle such a game. Or maybe have it be two cartridges but packed together (initially) as a special for the 20th or 25th anniversary which will be fitting to include both as the series was meant to end with Johto.

Now for some things from ORAS to back up eventual Kanto remakes being likely. Someone mentions that a place in Hoenn (Irc it was in Lilycove) reminds him of his hometown. Meanwhile another mentions he hopes Lissia would go visit his home region of Kanto.

Bounsweet December 21st, 2014 12:27 AM

I think everyone would like to see each region (especially their favorite region) on the newest console or handheld, but the next remakes we'll be getting will be Diamond and Pearl.

Truthfully, I would SOOO love to see a Colosseum/XD remake/sequel on the Wii U. I feel like it would really give a little 'umph' to the Gen III nostalgia, since Colosseum was the first story-driven console Pokémon game that we got and it was released sort of alongside Ruby and Sapphire.

bobandbill December 21st, 2014 3:43 AM

I still feel that if a new game in Kanto comes about, I'd like to have a new adventure in it. Maybe even travel to Johto postgame and reverse what GSC/HGSS did. But I don't feel that any Kanto-focused game it will happen this generation. We'll just have to wait and see on that front. (Besides, a 25 year anniversary would be more fitting imo than 20).

And there's potential for that too, given as mentioned above they'd have to throw in a new typing and mega evolutions now. If it's a remake, then it'd have to have some sort of differences given the ORAS Delta Episode thing (which really places all other games separate from ORAS and XY now). You could also make it a sequel of a ORAS/XY-version RBY by having Professor Blue (he's mentioned in XY) be the one who got back from Kalos and inform you about Mega Evolution.
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I wouldn't want to start with a Pichu; it's stats are terrible, even by Baby standards. Imagine just how much more of a nightmare Brock would be.

And, I also don't want Pikachu to get a Mega Evolution. It already obsoletes Raichu enough with the Light Ball. Instead, let Raichu have the Mega (either Electric/Fairy or Electric/Fighting).

Here are some ways Pikachu could stand out:

- Guaranteed Light Ball
- Learns Volt Tackle at L50 (instead of Thunder)
- Can learn Surf and Fly straight from the HMs
- Will always follow you (like in the originals)

I agree with that, and Pikachu already has enough attention as it is with the likes of Contest ones and the event Pichus too. Not sure I agree with the ways it stands out besides maybe the Light Ball being given to you (ala mega stones being given to you in the sixth gen games). Volt Tackle is a special move that I feel should remain an egg move, and likewise the Fly and Surf ones should remain unique to those events rather than be possible for everyone (otherwise having one that can surf or fly is no longer special, much like how having a shiny Gyarados isn't special now). As for following you... I'd be fine with that if anything else could do that too like with HGSS, haha.
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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
Now for some things from ORAS to back up eventual Kanto remakes being likely. Someone mentions that a place in Hoenn (Irc it was in Lilycove) reminds him of his hometown. Meanwhile another mentions he hopes Lissia would go visit his home region of Kanto.

Wasn't that first NPC you mention also in the original RSE games?
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Truthfully, I would SOOO love to see a Colosseum/XD remake/sequel on the Wii U. I feel like it would really give a little 'umph' to the Gen III nostalgia, since Colosseum was the first story-driven console Pokémon game that we got and it was released sort of alongside Ruby and Sapphire.

Yes please!

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541230)
@ Betty

I had a similar idea, but that includes both games in one cartridge. Like how the Kingdom Hearts Hd remakes had two games in one plus a movie.
For the game which could be called Pokemon Thunder Crystal it could have us play through Kanto first then have access to the Johto story line. They could spice up Johto's by giving Ho-oh, Lugia, the Beast trio, and the starters Megas. Also maybe a story where Ho-oh and Lugia become a central focus of the plot, at least to the level Suicune was in Crystal, with Suicune of course having the largest role. At the end when you challenge Red/Leaf! he/she could have the team you defeated the E4 with in the Kanto part (with it being updated with every new Hall of Fame.) If you chose Leaf then Red can appear in another area with his usual team but with a Mega of the starter nor picked. Also access to the PWT post game either where the old man is bulding something (yay a world where he actually completes it!) It'll be quite large but the Kanto region model can be reused except for some areas between the two so only Johto and perhaps the Sevii islands will be extra but those are small. I think the New 3DS may be able to handle such a game. Or maybe have it be two cartridges but packed together (initially) as a special for the 20th or 25th anniversary which will be fitting to include both as the series was meant to end with Johto.

Well, I wouldn't bundle New!Yellow and New!Crystal together as part of the same game (which would be too much), but releasing them as a pair of games could work. Since Gen 2 is intended to be a direct sequel to Gen 1, I just feel that the two should be released closer together.

Otherwise, your ideas are good.

(I should also note that they could do something similar with the Unova games when they come up for remakes, like a "Grey"/"Grey 2" pair. This simplifies the remake schedule into Gen 1/Gen 2 (2018), Gen 4 (2022), and Gen 5 (2028).)

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8541352)
I still feel that if a new game in Kanto comes about, I'd like to have a new adventure in it. Maybe even travel to Johto postgame and reverse what GSC/HGSS did. But I don't feel that any Kanto-focused game it will happen this generation. We'll just have to wait and see on that front. (Besides, a 25 year anniversary would be more fitting imo than 20).

But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.

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Not sure I agree with the ways it stands out besides maybe the Light Ball being given to you (ala mega stones being given to you in the sixth gen games). Volt Tackle is a special move that I feel should remain an egg move, and likewise the Fly and Surf ones should remain unique to those events rather than be possible for everyone (otherwise having one that can surf or fly is no longer special, much like how having a shiny Gyarados isn't special now).

Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)

LusoTrainer December 21st, 2014 8:34 AM

Yellow was a mere anime tie-in, not a proper regular version like Red/Green (Blue being the special version of that generation).

Pinkie-Dawn December 21st, 2014 10:28 AM

I would be all for another Kanto remake if they'll do the exact following:


- Expand the Pokedex to 190 as it was originally intended, which includes the cross-gen evos of Kanto's Pokémon.
- Revamp the roster lineup of the gym leaders and Elite Four members as a result of the expanded dex, so duplicates from the same line and Pokémon not associated with their type specialty wouldn't be much of an issue.

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2014 11:34 AM

I found the covers for the remakes:


OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541577)
Well, I wouldn't bundle New!Yellow and New!Crystal together as part of the same game (which would be too much), but releasing them as a pair of games could work. Since Gen 2 is intended to be a direct sequel to Gen 1, I just feel that the two should be released closer together.

Otherwise, your ideas are good.

(I should also note that they could do something similar with the Unova games when they come up for remakes, like a "Grey"/"Grey 2" pair. This simplifies the remake schedule into Gen 1/Gen 2 (2018), Gen 4 (2022), and Gen 5 (2028).)



But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.



Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)

Yeah, I originally thought up of the idea for the joint release for the two BW games (I also hope they'll be called Grey), at least a fused Black and a fused White would be good.

I wouldn't mind an expanded Kanto dex, it's the only one that wasn't expanded in it's remakes. They could give Giovanni Rhyperior, make Mega Nidoking, Steelix, Nidoqueen, Dugtrio (or maybe replace it with Kangaskhan), and maybe Persian if it is a Yellow remake, if not then I guess leave it at 5 (btw what was up with them giving him another Rhyhorn in FrLg when he had a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in the original RGB).

I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

RedJ December 21st, 2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

Maybe have the building be abandoned, but still serve as the entrance to Team Rocket's base? Or they could just replace the games with Voltorb Flip or some equivalent.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 8541796)
Maybe have the building be abandoned, but still serve as the entrance to Team Rocket's base? Or they could just replace the games with Voltorb Flip or some equivalent.

Or maybe a Restraunt like the Mauville one. Speaking of Mauville I'll like to see Saffron become really big and become like Tokyo which it is based off of. It should get a bunch of new sites such as Tokyo Tower (which was based off of the Eiffle tower so they could use Prism Tower's design for it.) Maybe make it the gym.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I wouldn't mind an expanded Kanto dex, it's the only one that wasn't expanded in it's remakes. They could give Giovanni Rhyperior, make Mega Nidoking, Steelix, Nidoqueen, Dugtrio (or maybe replace it with Kangaskhan), and maybe Persian if it is a Yellow remake, if not then I guess leave it at 5 (btw what was up with them giving him another Rhyhorn in FrLg when he had a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in the original RGB).

My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity)

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

The Game Corner would be tricky. If push comes to shove, they could just stick Voltorb Flip in there like they did in HGSS, but I'd like to see something a little more creative. Like, how about a video game arcade? I've always wanted to see something like that in the Pokémon games, and this would be a good opportunity to put one in.

For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Celadon completely redesigned like Mauville was in ORAS. The newer handhelds are capable of so much more than the GB/C and GBA, so I'd like them to take advantage of that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541852)
My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity)

The Game Corner would be tricky. If push comes to shove, they could just stick Voltorb Flip in there like they did in HGSS, but I'd like to see something a little more creative. Like, how about a video game arcade? I've always wanted to see something like that in the Pokémon games, and this would be a good opportunity to put one in.

For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Celadon completely redesigned like Mauville was in ORAS. The newer handhelds are capable of so much more than the GB/C and GBA, so I'd like them to take advantage of that.

No Gen V or Gen VI additions?

I would love a game arcade. I wanted them to do that for the Mauville Game Corner but alas they did not.

I wouldn't mind Celadon being redesigned but I'll also like to see Saffron City be turned into a large Lumiose like Metropolis or larger so that it'll actually look more like the Tokyo it's based off of.

Pinkie-Dawn December 21st, 2014 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541852)
My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity



The problem with making an ideal dex is that the region in question must have certain areas where it makes sense to find these Pokémon. For example, Kanto lacks a desert area, so Pokémon such as the Trapinch line and Cacnea line won't be able to appear in the new dex. It's a key detail I've noticed when looking at each region and their dex.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541869)
No Gen V or Gen VI additions?

Those would be postgame. As "foreign" as the Gen 3-4 Pokémon are, the Gen 5 and 6 ones are even more so, IMO.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541869)
I wouldn't mind Celadon being redesigned but I'll also like to see Saffron City be turned into a large Lumiose like Metropolis or larger so that it'll actually look more like the Tokyo it's based off of.

I'd like to see all of Kanto redesigned, to be frank. The 3DS can do a lot more than a GB/C, GBA, and even, DS can do, so I'd like to see it (as well as Johto and Sevii) fleshed out a lot more, visually. Pallet Town, for example, could look more like its anime counterpart.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8541976)
The problem with making an ideal dex is that the region in question must have certain areas where it makes sense to find these Pokémon. For example, Kanto lacks a desert area, so Pokémon such as the Trapinch line and Cacnea line won't be able to appear in the new dex. It's a key detail I've noticed when looking at each region and their dex.

You can always put them in the Safari Zone (which could be redesigned to have a special "desert" area).

bobandbill December 21st, 2014 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541577)
But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.

Maybe not so much a direct sequel but more just a story set after the general events of TR in Kanto and Johto in the games already out (as none of those games would now be in the same universe as one with mega evolutions which won't just get removed now, they could always pretend there was a version of those events in the world of mega evolutions).
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Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)
Not sold on that. While it would be an allusion, they haven't yet made it freely available without breeding for it so I'd be surprised if that changed in any future games, nor have they used the anime elements since Yellow to that extent. Most that has happened are event Pokemon given out in Japan reflecting Pokemon from the anime or movies. (That and I'd prefer Thunder on my Pikachu, and wouldn't want Volt Tackle to just replace it. =p Each to their own though.)

As for your Surfing Pikachu example, I'd argue that it's still not the same level as making all Pikachu - or even just your starter one - able to learn Surf or Fly via HM. In that case, you had to buy a spinoff title, and complete challenges in it to boot. That's rather different levels of availability for the move imo.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
Maybe not so much a direct sequel but more just a story set after the general events of TR in Kanto and Johto in the games already out (as none of those games would now be in the same universe as one with mega evolutions which won't just get removed now, they could always pretend there was a version of those events in the world of mega evolutions).

So, a brand new game with a brand new cast of characters that doesn't reference anything from Gen 1 or Gen 2 that just happens to be set in Kanto and Johto? ...Yeah, no thanks. If I wanted to play a brand new game, I'd just go get XY.

And, no, you can't pretend there's Omega Reality versions of Gens 1 and 2, because those games don't exist, and you can't make a sequel to something that doesn't exist.

And, yes, Origins is a version of the Gen 1 story that has Megas, but there are several problems with that: A) it's an anime, not a game, B) it's not game canon (however accurate it is), and C) it doesn't cover Gen 2 or even, the Sevii Islands (which deserve to be acknowledged again and fully fleshed out, IMO).

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
Not sold on that. While it would be an allusion, they haven't yet made it freely available without breeding for it so I'd be surprised if that changed in any future games, nor have they used the anime elements since Yellow to that extent. Most that has happened are event Pokemon given out in Japan reflecting Pokemon from the anime or movies. (That and I'd prefer Thunder on my Pikachu, and wouldn't want Volt Tackle to just replace it. =p Each to their own though.)

It wouldn't be the first time that an egg move has become a level-up move (see Crunch on Totodile), and it's not like it would be something that every single Pikachu in every single game would be able to learn--It would be limited to the non-evolving starter Pikachu in New!Yellow.

(And, BTW, Thunder has been a TM in every Generation, so it's not like it would be gone for good. Personally, I prefer Thunderbolt to either; better accuracy and no recoil.)

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
As for your Surfing Pikachu example, I'd argue that it's still not the same level as making all Pikachu - or even just your starter one - able to learn Surf or Fly via HM. In that case, you had to buy a spinoff title, and complete challenges in it to boot. That's rather different levels of availability for the move imo.

No, it's not the same, but it's still a HECK of a lot more accessible than a one time only event that's restricted to a few countries and can't be traded over to any other games. (Frankly, I'd like to kill these kinds of events for good, regardless of whether or not they seem "special.")

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 8:05 PM

That's true, they could simply make RGBCSC/FrLgHgSs into lore, but something about that is unappealing. I wouldn't mind a game that takes place in a region north of Kanto and Johto with access to one or the other later on. I guess they could also not make them connected and have someone travel them from afar. Maybe it could take place before the alternate events of Red/Leaf's adventure. Perhaps it could show a player who knows young Lysander, Cynthia, and Sycamore, Cynthia is said in DPP to have had a dex when she was younger so Red may not have been the first dex holder...


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