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(Sorry, but I just can't stand Cynthia and would like to see *a lot* less of her.) One prequel I wouldn't mind seeing is the "Generation 0" idea that's been floating around online, taking place around 50 (or so) years before Gen 1 and featuring a younger Oak and Agatha as player characters. We could learn more about their past relationship, as well as their relationships with other characters (like Bertha, for example). If you don't want to go that far back, I'd also love a game centered around Lance and Clair training to become Dragon Masters (which would take place about 10 years before Gen 1), as one person attempted to do with a (now cancelled) Gold hack a couple of years ago. I love both of their characters, and I think it would be cool to see how they started off. It would be a very different kind of game. |
I dont buy this wjole they dont exist anymore in the canon stuff. seriously, it is not like they got retconned so far or anything, I am still for a 20 years later Kanto experience, and I think the sevii islands where a poor excuse for sth like the orange archipelago. maybe this time they could do a proper orange islands
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I wouldn't mind seeing Sevii be expanded into a full region with its own gyms and league. There were *a lot* of missed opportunities with those islands. |
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Why did they rush the games so much? We know that GF was working on Emerald at the same time, so it's possible that they didn't want to delay that game any more than they had to (especially with the GBA's successor, the DS, coming out later that year). They may have also been in a rush to win back the many people who scorned Ruby and Sapphire's lack of older Pokémon and connections with the previous two regions. Either way, it had a negative impact on the quality of FRLG as remakes, especially when you compare them to the later HGSS and ORAS, which were clearly made with care and proper planning. It's no wonder that the games have aged so poorly (arguably worse than the original RBY, IMO, since FRLG had the potential to be so much more), and it's yet, another reason to remake Gen 1 again. Quote:
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he he even more wter to complain about for ign xD. I wonder whether they also complained about water in the nds game for zelda?
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Why do FR/LG just cease to exist in the timeline now?
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Even if FRLG weren't Yellow Remakes, I would've liked to see Jessie and James return. Aside from being an easy, convenient way to introduce double battles into Gen 1, they also had a lot of potential for further development. Why didn't they return in Gen 2? Did something happen to them when Archer took over Team Rocket? We could've gotten a little bit of the Grunts' perspective on how their employer treated them (which, I imagine wasn't well), and Jessie and James would've been developed into distinct characters from their anime counterparts. And, what about Mewtwo? Why and how did it destroy Cinnabar Mansion, and why was it in Cerulean Cave? And, most importantly, who created Mewtwo in the first place? Was Team Rocket involved? There was *a lot* more they could've done with this. And, everything about the Sevii Islands. If you're going to go through the trouble of making a brand new region for FRLG, then do exactly that. Why couldn't they have had some gyms? And, I wouldn't have minded seeing them take a page from the anime and introduce a connection between Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres and Lugia. And, then, there's the gameplay-related stuff. There was absolutely NO excuse for getting rid of the internal clock, let alone day/night. Yes, the originals didn't have one, but FRLG were supposed to be 3rd Generation games. They might as well have gotten rid of held items, abilities, and natures. Same goes for berry trees. GSC had already established berry trees as existing in Kanto, so why suddenly get rid of them? Again, FRLG were supposed to be modern remakes, not Red and Blue with 16-bit graphics pasted on. And, the Pokédex. Gen 2 Pokémon are just as much a part of Kanto as the Gen 1 ones, so why restrict us to just the original 150, to the point of not even letting us evolve Golbat? What was so bad about giving us the first 251 (plus Azurill and Wynaut)? At the very least, could we have gotten the 40 Gen 2 Pokémon that were originally planned for Red and Green? While FRLG have their fans, many people (myself included) found them to be very disappointing remakes. There were just way too many missed opportunities with those games, and while it's good that GF seems to have learned their mistakes with HGSS and ORAS, it's a shame to see the beloved 1st Generation stuck with such underwhelming remakes. I think they deserve better than that. |
They should at least had the Gen II evos, at least the evolution by happiness ones like how HgSs had the evolution by move ones. One of the things I love about OrAs apart from returning to Hoenn is that it went all the way and included all the cross generatinal evolutions of the mons in the dex unlike FrLg and HgSs. I hope future remakes do this.
Kanto now has several more cross generational evos now so if they remake it again they should add all those. With them it'll have mons from each Gen minus 3 (as Wabuffet, Marill and Azumarill aren't part of the Kanto dex) and 5. |
I agree with that; as explained above, it'd likely be best if they had included future-generation evolutions within PokéDex (that is, if their pre-evolution forms are a part of the region) in remakes. Although this would make it slightly more difficult when it comes to completing native Dex and whatnot, but not overly.
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Again, things like this are why I truly want to see Gens 1 and 2 remade within the same Generation. It's the only way that GF would truly acknowledge Gen 2 as being a Gen 1 sequel again. The biggest thing that hurt HGSS was that they were designed more as GSC remakes than FRLG sequels, IMO, so they have all sorts of continuity issues with FRLG that GSC didn't with RBY. I would not like to see GF repeat that mistake. |
Well HgSs did anwser somethings brought up only in FrLg like who Giovanni's red haired son is (Silver). It also showed the top two Johto executives leading the Sevii island branch and how they wanted to do things to have Giovanni return, also a mention of the device they would use on the Lake of Rage to evolve Gyarados. Those may be small but to me it made HgSs will like a conclusion to FrLg.
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Giovanni does mention/allure to Red but not by name in HgSs in the Celebi Event.
I know, just saying that the remakes seem to be more distant from the other games compared to the originals (same will happen with DP and HgSs even if Gen I and II were to be remade. Actually a Gen I remake won't be a good parallel of Gen III unless if it get's remade this Gen but without Gen II which should be remade with Gen IV to keep the parallels. Something is bound to break. Actually Gen DP remakes next Gen or in Gen VIII will break the current Hoenn-Kalos timeline...as DP happen before XY but their remakes will have new mons and maybe even new types like maybe Sound, or Wind). |
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RBY and GSC were released 2-3 years apart for the same handheld with similar graphics, while FRLG and HGSS were released 5-6 years apart for different handhelds with (very) different graphics. That, alone, was enough to make HGSS feel less like direct sequels than GSC, and the larger gap of time meant that FRLG weren't as fresh in memory when HGSS were made than RBY were when GSC were made, so there were more inconsistencies. While HGSS, overall, were much better remakes than FRLG and were fine games in their own right, they were clearly made more as GSC remakes than FRLG sequels. (Just look at all of the Yellow callbacks that remained in HGSS, despite FRLG not including anything from Yellow.) |
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So maybe RGBY remakes will come on the 3DS, being treated as the Gen III games FrLg were with Sinnoh remakes in the successor handheld to the 3DS (at least to the marketing level of a new one like with GS for the initial pair). If they do Gen VII on the 3DS they should go with making RGBY remakes then to avoid making Gen VI too long and to avoid making Gen VII too short (game wise as no Gen ever since Gen III has had less than four games...well in Japan only Gen II has had 3, but four games seems like a little by the modern Gen standards established in Gen III and Gen IV (well for those of us who started with them they represent the modern era, and in terms of transfers they sort of do as the Gen III mons transfer hasn't been broken yet like with the original Pokemon games (I,II))) like was the case with Gen V. Also it'll allow for the remakes to be more polished like comparing Platinum to BW or B2W2 (in this case I'm thinking of OrAs hence why I mention Platinum as it was the second Pokemon release of the DS era like OrAs are for the 3DS era). Also they could add in whatever Gen VII may have. If they go with this then I expect the next couple of years to look something like this: Dec 2015 (I say December as OrAs were 13 months after XY and wouldn't mind seeing Z be slightly over a year after OrAs.): Z 2016: Gen VII for the 3DS 2017: FrLg remakes for the 21st anniversary (3x7...Three is the number commonly used for Pokemon games in both terms of games and the mascots, and starters, plus FrLg were Gen III games, with Seven being the number of the Gen (also Sevii islands) also FrLg were the seventh main game release in Japan (1st: RG, 2nd: B, 3rd: Y, 4th: GS, 5th C, 6th: RS (funny enough GS and RS were remade for Gen 4 and Gen 6...too bad Yellow wasn't remade for Gen 3...), 7th: FrLg) can be used to justify the 21st over the 20th? or maybe Yellow remakes instead to make up for RG being remade over Yellow in Gen III xD). Also the 15th anniversary of FrLg. and while they're at it can I have my 7th Generation remake of Emerald? (15th for that one too. Also if they ever decide to do a third version remake making it the following Gen will differentiate it from the pair remakes) 2018: Gen VII's third version/sequels/whatever they want to do. 2019: Gen VIII for new handheld. 2020: Gen VIII third version 2021: DP remakes for the 15th anniversary of the original DP ... |
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As I said earlier, this is how I'd like to see the future remake schedule go: 2018: Yellow/Crystal 2022: Diamond/Pearl 2028: Grey/Grey 2 You wouldn't remake B2W2 10 years after BW, so why do it with Gens 1 and 2? While I know some people would prefer Gen 2 and Johto to be retconned into being more of an isolated entity like Hoenn and Sinnoh, I think it's better to just embrace the fact that Gen 2 is a direct sequel. Plus, they'd need something to pair Yellow with, so why not release it and Crystal as a prequel/sequel pair? It also gives them an excuse to do the same with the Unova games, simplifying that remake by a lot. |
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So even if Red is off doing his own thing while you're playing as the girl, he's not doing these things. But it's kind of a moot point, because in HGSS, every reference to the FRLG hero uses words that don't have a gender. Like instead of "boy" it'll be "kid" and so forth. |
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Actually HgSs were remade like 5 years after FrLg. If it were 10...then we would've just gotten HgSs this year instead of OrAs xD. Remakes tend to be every 5 years thus far so perhaps DP will get theirs by 2019. Though if that happens they could still do YC either before (as the Kanto remakes are older than DP) or after (as Johto's remakes are younger than DP). Actually now that I think about it...Kanto may not reappear for awhile. Kanto seems to be quite disliked by the fanbase or so the vocal people make it seem that way. GF said (in an interview after OrAs came out) that the reason they didn't put the BF after Gen IV as they felt people didn't like it (along with not having enough time). I know it sounds stupid but I fear Kanto may suffer from that. So if Kanto remakes are to happen the fanbase may need to rally the kind of momentum Johto and perhaps to even a greater extent the Hoenn remakes had. Sinnoh doesn't seem to get as much hate whenever future remakes are brought up though, but Kanto does (I read nearly whole forums of people say they would skip it and others who say they are tired of that boring place). However, I also have seen people who do want it, especially after OrAs came out so the momentum may start to build. |
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It didn't start becoming acceptable for teens and twentysomethings to start liking Pokémon until the very late 2000s (when people started rediscovering their old cartridges as part of a larger 90s nostalgia craze), which happened to be around the time HGSS were released. Nowadays, the people who are in that 17-20 age range are those who were 6-9 back in 2003, hence all of the hype for ORAS. That being said, I'd be sad if Kanto truly was as unpopular as you say it is. I mean, none of the other regions would even exist without it. Just because Gen 1's story is kind of underdeveloped doesn't mean that it should be abandoned altogether. :( |
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Also I hate to say it but most of the hate towards Kanto happened during Gen IV as people were tired of Kanto appearing yet again (with HgSs Kanto had appeared in every gen at the time). Though I got tired of Kanto being in every generation it is a very dumb reason to hate it now that I think about it rationally. GSC had Kanto in them so it'll only make sense for HgSs to have them. FrLg were remakes of RG so of course they'll have Hoenn. So there was no avoiding Kanto appearing every gen unless if they removed Kanto from HgSs at the time, but that would've made the games feel like they lost a lot. Speaking of Kanto, thus far Kanto has appeared not just in every universe pre-Gen VI but also has appeared in every device I mentioned earlier except for the device hosting Gen VI of course. If GF plans to keep that up they'll going to have to have Kanto appear in the 3DS. The best thing to do I think is to skip having another round of Kanto remakes in Gen VI and have Gen VII also be in the 3DS (and maybe marketed for the New 3DS but be playable on the 3DS like how GS was for GBC but was playable for GB too) with enhancements for the New 3DS and have the Kanto remakes in that Gen. That way people would get two Gen's off of Kanto and be able to better appreciate it (Kanto as a region had EDPP in between its two most recent appearances but people still found it annoying in HgSs, hopefully two Gens and a pair (with maybe a third version added in) will do the trick). |
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In the original timeline (read RBY and GSC), it's obvious that Red started with a Pikachu and got the other three starters from the Cerulean, Route 24, and Vermillion events (thus, making Yellow canon). It's HGSS that screwed things up by keeping the battle the same (save for swapping out Espeon for Lapras), even though they were supposed to be sequels to FRLG, not Yellow. Quote:
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I definitely agree with you here. The only reason that Kanto appeared in Gens 3 and 4 was because of remakes, not because it was being shoehorned into newer games. If Kanto had been stuffed into DPP the same way Cynthia was stuffed into HGSS and BW, then sure, they'd have a reason to complain, but it wasn't. Of course, I know that there are some people who wish that Kanto was never in GSC in the first place and that Johto was more isolated like Hoenn and Sinnoh (a view that I strongly disagree with). Quote:
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That's true.
As for the originals, I had a friend who let me borrow his Silver (it was very fun and made me look forward to HgSs...which after Pt I thought would never happen (after B2W2 I started to feel the same way about Hoenn remakes)). Even with the latest remakes I still play Emerald sometimes (btw OrAs is as bad as you say FrLg, HgSs were in terms of how they treated Yellow and Crystal. For example Steven says to the player that they have to stop the 'TeamS' not the singular 'Team' even though only one is doing things while the other is aiding the player... also the Delta Episode made the games feel as if they were trying to be both R/S and Emerald remakes at the same time. I feel DP's will be the same way...). RBY were the only ones I didn't play...that I recall. I have a faint memory of playing something that resembled Kanto... before ever playing Firered (this would be in late 2002 to early 2003 during a trip to Mexico so before Hoenn came out in NA)I think it may have been the original Red. I didn't play it long enough to make any kind of review. Both that and FireRed I borrowed from cousins. It would be better. Also people seem to be tired of the bird trio appearing every Gen (except V)...now jabbing it into Pt and XY was kind of out of nowhere (well not as bad as the dozen legends appearing in OrAs. Also people tend to overlook that the Regi,Lake, and the three Unova trios have appeared in every gen since their intro. Also the Beast, Weather, and Creation trio along with the Bird Duo (though in Gen III H and L were events) has appeared in every gen after their intro too minus V too, same goes for Mewtwo but no one seems to complain about Mewtwo...shows the favoritism). Thus if they make Kanto remakes I'll like to see GF give the bird trio Megas or maybe even Primals...I'm leaning towards Megas. I'll like for Articuno to get Snow Warning, Zapdos with Drizzle, and Moltres with Drought. Also maybe change their Flying typing to Dragon (they could do the same with their master Lugia's Mega) though perhaps that'll make them come off as Bird trio meets the Weather and Tao trios... Also Mega Mew! For non legends I want Mega Raichu and Mega Persian (btw they should give Meowth a baby in Gen VII to rival Pichu). Mega Raichu could be Electric/Fighting and get Motor Drive. Persian could be Dark with a Dark type version of Normalize (like Aerilate, Pixilate, Glaciate). If they remake Crystal too then Mega Ho-oh and Mega Lugia with both getting their H.A. as their M.A. Also Mega Celebi and Mega Beast trio along with the starters. I hope for Water/Dragon Feraligtr to make a starter Dragon trio with Mega Charizard X and Mega Sceptile. Maybe with Strong Jaws or a Dragon version of Normalize. Mega Typlosion should be Fire/Ground with a Ground version of normalize, while Mega Meganium can be Grass/Fairy with Pixilate. Or maybe all three could stay pure typed mons and get normalize versions of their respective types giving them major STAB moves to use. |
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One thing they could've (and should've) done was take advantage of Dual Slot Mode and have whoever was at the end of Mt. Silver literally be your character and team from FRLG, name and everything. People who didn't have FRLG or were playing on a DSi/3DS would fight Red's (HeartGold) or Leaf's (SoulSilver) default team: - Togekiss - Espeon - Snorlax - Articuno - Zapdos - Moltres Yes, they'd have Legendaries, but these birds have lower BSTs and worse movepools than all Pseudo-Legendaries (like Lance's Dragonites), and it's supposed to be a final battle, anyways. Togekiss, of course, explicitly points back to FRLG over RBY, as it's only in the remakes that Togepi is given as a gift (from a gentleman in the Water Labyrinth). Quote:
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Umm, no. If I'm playing a remake of a game I enjoyed as a child, I would want to fight the original final battle, not some rehashed team based on this theory that it should've been a sequel. When exactly did Nintendo say it was a FR/LG sequel?
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And, HGSS were supposed to be FRLG sequels, because GSC were RBY sequels. Gen 2 was a direct follow-up to the events of Gen 1 in the same way that B2W2 was a direct follow-up to the events of BW. Not only did we revisit Kanto again and see how it changed after 3 years, but there were constant references to the events of "3 years ago" throughout the games. The Team Rocket plot is literally a direct continuation of Gen 1's Team Rocket plot and the aftermath of their disbanding. How did you not get this? Quote:
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The sequel part came from GSC being referred to as sequels to RGBY so thus their remakes should keep that prequel-sequel nature in the remakes. Come to think about it with Gen V having B2W2 each gen has had a prequel-sequel game with Gen I and III having prequel (to the Johto ones), II and IV having sequel (the Johto games), and V having both. |
I would really love that idea. That could also introduce a new Pokemon tradition of having 3 sets of games per generation. Sure, it would make the next generations appear later than with 2 sets of games, but it would be a lot of fun to do this. I also want to see my favourite gen get remade, second gen. <3
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Or maybe it could be very dark at midnight? Most players probably don't play at midnight so most probably won't be bothered by it. As for those who want it could change their 3DS clocks ^_^.
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Based on my idea, Gen 7 would have the Yellow/Crystal remake pair, and Gen 8 would have the Gen 4 remakes... So, how about have Gen 8's main games be a direct GSC-style sequel to ORAS? I'm no fan of Hoenn, myself, but I know a lot of its fans would like to see it reappear in a sequel game (as a postgame region) like Kanto returned in Gen 2. (Plus, bringing back Hoenn may quell the inevitable complaints about Kanto returning in Gen 7.) This sequel, of course, would take place at the same time as Gens 2 and 4, concurrent with New!Crystal and the DP remakes. Similarly, Gen 7's main games could also be a Gen 6 prequel (also done in a similar style to GSC) that would make Kalos concurrent with ORAS and New!Yellow. Again, not a huge fan of the region, but I know a lot of people would like it. As an aside, another pattern I've noticed with remakes is that they get remade in the Generation that's their original Generation x2: - Gen 2 (GSC) => Gen 4 (HGSS) - Gen 3 (RSE) => Gen 6 (ORAS) My idea for future remakes mostly retains this pattern: - Gen 4 (DPP) => Gen 8 (DP remakes) - Gen 5 (BW/2) => Gen 10 (Grey/Grey 2) Only Gen 1 (and the Crystal remake) breaks it, but even then... - Gen 1(.5) (RBY) => Gen 3 (FRLG) - Gen 3(.5) (FRLG) => Gen 7 (New!Yellow/New!Crystal) |
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(btw it's fine if you don't like Hoenn, I have a similar attitude toward Kanto itself yet I would like it's fans to be pleased. Same with Unova...) |
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I think you're way overthinking this. Those games are good as they are. They have enough new features and still are true to the originals, which I think giving Red a whole new team and adding the possibility of fighting Leaf instead stray way too far off course for staying true. |
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And, trust me, a lot of people have complained about Leaf not being in HGSS. Naturally, people who picked Leaf in FRLG don't like being told they played the games "wrong" with her being de-canonized, and the favoring of Red comes off as kind of sexist (especially in the same games that arbitrarily replaced the original female protagonist with a new one--HGSS were very unkind to female PCs). Quote:
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Yeah HgSs didn't have to change Kris for Lyra. I wonder, if they do remake Crystal if we'll see Kris again...since the excuse of GS had no female protag to begin with won't hold for Crystal. So in the end OrAs didn't only add all of the evolutionary relatives and their evolution methods but are the first remakes to have a female protagonist we're all familiar with and as far as we know is equal to the male counterpart in story. |
It sort of makes sense. The next (and final) set of games for Generation VI will come as a pair which was kinda confirmed by the coding of the ORAS demo. If they take a break for 2015, which would be logical considering they released XY in 2013 and ORAS in 2014 then 2016 would be an ideal year to finish Generation VI. Not only would it be a 3 year life-span for Gen VI which seems to be the most common, it would also mark the 20th anniversary of the release of Red/Green which gives reason to why they could remake Red/Green in XY graphics. Not to mention that we got FRLG not long after the release of Ruby and Sapphire.
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What about Glaceon and Sylveon?
Maybe instead they could have the rival ask the player questions and overtime how one answers adds up to one of the eeveelutions (sort of like in a character quiz). Could be other NPC's too like Oak. Or maybe keep the three eeveelutions how it was in yellow but give them Megas. Both Diantha and Steven have them (while Cynthia has Mega Garchomp already set for her games remakes). Maybe give Dragonite it's Mega. I hope they resolve what happened to Agatha. Shauntel seems to have met her and Bertha as one of her dialogs references them (at least in BW. Don't recall if she bring it up before battle in B2W2 too) so maybe she's alive... As for the release of the games...In Japan starting with Gen III RS 2002, FrLgE 2004, DP 2006, Pt 2008, HgSs were in 2009, BW 2010, B2W2 2012, XY 2013, OrAs 2014. There seems to be a tradition of a break mid gen so it's possible GF will take a break (I heard they're working on a new game but it may not be a Pokémon game so that could fill in their money train gap for 2015). Then Gen VII 2017 on a new system, Third game 2018, DP remakes 2019, Break 2020, 2021 for the quater century annivesary of the franchise they have Yellow and Crystal remakes. It would be agonizing to wait another 7 years for another set of Kanto/Johto remakes for fans of those games/regions...trust me I know the feeling with Hoenn and Sinnoh... |
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(Plus, it feels like only further proof that Lance will always play second-fiddle to the overrated Steven and Cynthia in GF's eyes. Not only does he never get the guest appearances and promotion they get--despite being part of the franchise for 7-10 years longer--but they won't even give his ace a Mega. Yes, he still has Pokémon that can Mega Evolve, but let's be honest, who wants to see Gyarados or Aerodactyl as his Mega?) Quote:
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The suggestion of RG/B re-remakes first seems to have come up after XY but before OrAs came out. Most thought they should do RS first (which they did) and DP too before they think of remaking something with a remake. I guess they could port it for newer fans to delay things. For reremakes I think they should do DP before Yellow and Crystal remakes, B/2W/2 before Emerald and Platinum remakes. Then Xy remakes...
Or maybe from now on they should remake the third versions with Yellow and Crystal being remade before Emerald (yes more Hoenn) and Platinum are, and then the 'Greys' and Z(?) and so on. It'll help keep things cleaner than remaking each region one by one which at this rate seems to be getting messy... I think we should be able to tell next gen if a great deal of Kanto mons are missing (like with the first remakes), they get a lot of evos (like the Johto mons which hinted at HgSs), or a lot of references+popular demend (HgSs and OrAs). Right now Sinnoh seems to be beating Gen 1 Kanto in popular depend. Part of that I think is because the can of worms another remake of Gen 1 will open for Gen 2 and Gen 3 (we just got HgSs 5 years ago and OrAs this year, imagining reremakes for those two seems a little tiring). Then there's a tiring of remakes in general...most want DP to be the last remake... with a sequel to B2W2 with the Original Dragon as the mascot of that game instead of eventual BW remakes. Hence why the suggestion of GSC sequels instead came up earlier on this thread. |
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(HGSS, at least, can still be played on a 3DS, so it's safe for now. However, the time when DPP come up for remakes will be when the newest handheld loses DS compatibilty, which will leave Gen 2 out in the cold, as well.) I'd hate for the first two Gens to be left to rot in the past just because of an irrational fear of "re-remakes." The fandom for people who only like the older games (especially Gen 1) is already very small (just look at how inactive the RBY/GSC board is compared to the others), and it will only shrink even more if the Gens are left behind. :( |
Why yellow? it was a special anime version of the game , if any it should be blue/red/green getting a remake.
well well it is not like it is unplayable, you get plenty of (legits) blue and gbc on ebay(in germany anyway) for a penny. http://www.ebay.de/itm/Game-Boy-Pokemon-Blaue-Edition-/271720279967?pt=DE_PC_Videospiele&hash=item3f43ca6f9f http://www.ebay.de/itm/Pokemon-Blau-Gameboy-/121530143466?pt=DE_PC_Videospiele&hash=item1c4bc2d2ea http://www.ebay.de/itm/Pokemon-Blaue-Edition-fur-Game-Boy-Color-Advance-SP-/161535989028?pt=DE_PC_Videospiele&hash=item259c4b9524 |
Meh. I'd buy it if it came out, but we've seen Kanto a million times already. I think it could wait til an anniversary or something.
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Again they could put them on the Wii U like they've done with some of the GBA era Mega Man games recently (I hate giving the same suggestions those against RSE remakes gave me...but I think GF is busy with the next Kalos game and Gen VII right now so they may not have any other remakes for the time being planned out. Also Gen VII maybe another Gen V...no remakes of any kind)
If I could go back in time and suggest something to the creators of GF it would be to make FrLg in Gen IV instead with HgSs in Gen V (both would be on the same device and thus be closer in appearance like the original counterparts...that and to add the Pt BF to FrLg, and to make a new one for Gen V, and give XY it's own and to bring Emerald's to OrAs.) I also feel that the fate of every region will be that of Gen I Kanto...Gen III will join Gen I and II soon enough... You know Yellow's canoness may be like Emerald's. PWT seems to hint at Emerald being canon but the PWT's post game canoness is debated, and meanwhile Steven appeared as the champion in HgSs (well the acting Champion as he hints at the RS main character), but then again maybe he's just attached to his former title which went to Wallace which went to the player character... Though then you think about how GF wanted to remake Blue as WaterBlue but opted out for LeafGreen due to Fire and Water not being as peaceful sounding or imagery containing as Fire and Leaf. If they remake Red and this time due Blue they could go with Sun Red and Water Blue (I got the names for how Steven refers to Latios looking like a Water Stone in ΩR while in αs he apperantanly says Latias looks like a Sun Stone (I would've expected Fire Stone but then again the Fire stone is as orange as Charizard is...not like Latias' true red). Or maybe Dawn (Steven then compared them to Dawn Stones...wait...Dawn...Sinnoh Confirmed!) Yellow. While Gen 1 Kanto may not be Gen 2 Kanto one of the things fans seem to want most is to revisit the region. For example with Hoenn (while I wanted remakes) some fans didn't care in which form it appeared in (a remake or in a sequel), they just wanted to revisit it. I think that's the mentality Kanto is looked upon. Gen IV Kanto is a finely made 2.5 D version of Gen III Kanto so fans who don't care about the story much probably don't see the need. The desire for a Kanto (and Johto) remake then may not bubble to the surface until HgSs are as old as FrLg are now...which seems like it'll be After or Before DP remakes at this rate (of 5 years (in Japan) between each first time remake 04 for FRLG, 09 for HgSs, 14 for ORAS, so 19 for DP)... I just hope that they don't dumb down/make them easier the like how they dumbed down ORAS when they do get made... |
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@ BN. I was going to point out that perhaps if they wouldn't have skipped remakes in Gen V we've would've gotten ORAS there...which is an example easier to imagine as we got something to compare it to. A V ORAS with graphics similar to HgSs instead of 3D graphics. I think that besides the dumbing down they've learned a lot from the past two sets of remakes. Now I hope whatever they do remake next will solve the dumbing down (also HgSs succeeded where ORAS failed, a fun post game battle facility...sadly Emerald had one even more fun than HgSs but it wasn't used due to GF thinking people don't have enough time...yet fans manage to magically find time to EV train and breed perfect mons...).
As for the story...sadly the reason ORAS was dumbed down was due to people wanting to skip the story/not having time. Seriously though it feels so much better to finish something you put a lot of time into and had difficulty with rather than something that has horrible AI...and has nothing else to spend one's time challenging. GF may as well cut down the number of mons back to 151 to make it easier... Uh sorry for the rant there, back on topic. FrLg's credits reference Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow as the four mascots appear in the credits. So it seems GF acknowledgeds all four. I think Blue deserves to be acknowledged. And really international Red and Blue owe a lot to Jp Blue's as it's superior sprites were used instead of the awful RG sprites. Arguably Blue set things up for Yellow which set things up for GS (using similar graphics) as well as inspiring other third versions. One of the arguements for Crystal setting the benchmark is due to having a mascot connected to the other two (something Jp Blue sets up) instead of a mascot that appeals to fans (people seem to have grown as tired of Pikachu as they did with Kanto at this point...but more seeming to like it's less looked upon evo Raichu) of the anime. Also arguably Emerald set the benchmark with having the third member of the trio play a role in the third version/sequels. Oh but Platinum did too with formes...Now B2W2 may just set up a two forme sequels thread for the next Kalos games...only time will tell if Kyurem's games will be a permanent addition to the games. I hope that if GF remakes Yellow the starter will be Pichu holding Light Orb and with the item changed so it'll boost Pichu's stats too. That would make it somewhat different from Yellow. One can then gain access to a Thunder Stone after defeating Team Rocket at Celadon. Also they could add that canonizes Team Rocket's involvement in the birth of Mewtwo which isn't fully canon in the games or even really hinted at. They could have a post game plot where Giovanni goes to Celadon cave with the remnants of Team Rocket and manipulates Mewtwo like in the anime and forces to Mega Evolve (changing back and force between it's Mega evolutions). They could have a 7 or so year-old Silver appear and tell the player how he can stop Mewtwo which can escape Gio's grasp like Groudon and Kyogre did in the Hoenn games. Blue and the males of the E4 minus go and follow Mewtwo and tell the player to find a solution to all of this as she/he's the champ. A young mysterious boy (Silver) gives the player the gene from GSC which should attact Mewtwo to him/her but first must find Mew. Mew can then be found at one Island where Moltres was but before that the player is blocked by Team Rocket members looking for Gio who vanished after losing Mewtwo. They hear Team Rocket is busy looking for an item call the 'Emerald'(a reference to the Ruby and Sapphire in FrLg and how Mew thus far was only obtainable through capture (by event) in Emerald). Leaf/Red (appearing as a Sevii native) help the player and Lorerei battle off Team Rocket and find the stone at Four island but Archer and the executives retrieve it before. They then reach the HQ but are challenged by Team Rocket Excutives P and L. Luckily Oak and Agatha come and help fend them off allowing Leaf and Red an escape they battle A and A in a tag battle and retrieve the Emerald. Giovanni appears and tells the player to hand him the Emerald and battles the player after sending the opposite sex chara flying with his Nidoking. after defeating him Gio tells the player the Emerald actually an orb that is said to have attracted a Green Dragon to save a region in times of trouble. He tells the player he doesn't know how else to stop Mew. The player puts the Jade Orb away and gives Gio the gene and Leaf tells him of Mew, they all go to One island but everyone but the player is repelled by a strange barrier. The player is allowed inside and find Mew who is inside a cavern decorated with cave paintings of a strange looking Mew (Mega Mew) covered in light. The player fights Mew and gains a Mega Stone and the uses the gene to battle Mewtwo which nearly destroys Ember Island if not for Mew which emerges from it's Pokeball and challenges Mewtwo. Then one captures Mew and Giovanni leaves...TBC |
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I was thinking about what Gen I re-remakes and Gen II re-remakes could offer/ reasons for they should be remade. Gen I access to an older story, but nothing new sadly to add to it's starters or mascots (same thing though for Kanto minus Pikachu) like RS' remake did. In terms of story they could make Team Rocket do more dark stuff? Gen II, access to a not so old story but with new forms of the starters and Mega Mascots/legends. |
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For example, maybe we could get a little bit of the Grunts' perspective, show them as being underpaid and unappreciated teenagers and young adults who were plucked off the streets with the promise of making money, only to find themselves slaving away for an abusive employer. (Jessie and James would be a good outlet for this story, and it would help set them apart from their anime counterparts and make them true game characters.) And, we could also get a closer look on the ecological terror Team Rocket has wrought on Kanto. Let's see them violently tearing Mt. Moon apart for fossils, or dumping waste into that pond in Celadon. Cinnabar Mansion should look like a bombed out wasteland. And, Mewtwo could be depicted as a victim of horrible abuse from Giovanni. It was pushed to the breaking point, and destroyed Cinnabar Mansion in anger, flying off to Cerulean Cave to hide out in peace. We could also show Silver (also horribly abused and neglected by Giovanni) striking up a connection with Mewtwo and following it to Cerulean Cave. Quote:
There's also new trainer art. Official arts are now VS sprites, and pretty much any trainer art that predates Gen 4, at the earliest, isn't suitable for this purpose. Character designs changed a lot in Gens 4 and 5, and the pre-Gen 4 art doesn't tend to be of good picture quality, either. While most of the Gen 1 characters got new art in HGSS, there are five who didn't--Red, Leaf, Giovanni, Lorelei, and Agatha. (Who, along with Kris and Juan, also happen to be the only characters left in the entire series without modern artwork.) Without newer art, it will be harder to bring them back as opponents in future games, and a Gen 1 remake is a natural place to give them new art. Gen 2, I'll get to later... |
Team Rocket isn't a corporation...at least not in the typical sense. It's based off of the Yakuza (well the Mafia outside of Japan).
Mega Dragonite interestingly would fit a Gen II re-remake too... But yeah to the rest of them which fit Kanto best. Brock could get Mega Golem in the rematches, Misty could get Mega Starmie(?), Lt. Surge Mega Raichu, Erika Mega Vileplume, Koga Mega Crobat, Sabrina Mega Alakazam, 7th gym leader who's name is skipping my head get's Mega Magmortar. Giovanni can get Mega Nidoking which he uses in the last match against him. Post game Blue replaces Giovanni and Lance takes the place as acting Champ (like how Steven asks Wallace to be (if/when he goes on a journey despite having the MC as recognized champion) in the end of the Delta Episode). Lance can then get Mega Dragonite. Meanwhile Agatha get's Mega Gengar, Lorelei get's Mega Slobro?, Bruno get's Mega Machamp, and Lance's replacement forget her name get's Mega...Houndoom? (the E4 will then have 3 women opposite of Gen II's 3 men E4). |
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I have a few quibbles with some of these Megas. Erika should have Bellossom (Grass/Fairy) instead of Vileplume, as that was her ace in GSC/HGSS (evolved from the Gloom from Yellow), and Giovanni should have Rhyperior instead of Nidoking, as his ace has always been the Rhyhorn line. And, Lorelei should have either Jynx (Ice/Fairy) or Lapras (Water or Water/Fairy), as those have always been her aces (probably the latter, knowing how much GF hates the former). I like the idea of Viridian Gym and the E4 changing to foreshadow Gen 2. It's about time that we had a female-dominated E4, even if only temporarily, and it would be a great excuse to flesh out Karen more (one of my faves, along with Lorelei and Lance). |
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Then Bellossom it should be. Really? Giovanni lacks Rhyperior (or any member of the line) in his HgSs team while he has the Nidoroyals in all of his teams. I think Mega Rhyperior should be pure Ground with Solid Rock as it's ability to parallel Mega Aggron (Aggron's line is an expy of the Rhyhorn line down to the whole military (samurai for Aggron) theme going on with it's Mega to parallel Rhyperior.) |
I just want Yellow to be forgotten... It was a non-canon game anyway and only worth because of the sprites and certain small updates to movepools.
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I wouldn't like it though if Giovanni got a non Ground type as his Mega though...that'll be like Winona getting Mega Altaria right there. GF recognizes Yellow in FrLg's credits so it's canoness may be debatable (also going by a narrow view of what is canon DP aren't canon as Pt is the Canon, like wise for RS...maybe. Yet RS got remakes and DP is likely to get them too.) in the long run of things. |
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Changes that Yellow introduced: Red starting with Pikachu and getting all the Kanto starters, Blue starting with Eevee, Jessie and James. The only thing they kept from Yellow was Red getting all the starters + Pikachu, the rest are from RGB. Blue's team in GSC is his team from RB without the starters. Jessie and James aren't mentioned anywhere in GSC either, nor in any subsequent games. And even Red can get Lapras/Eevee and Snorlax in RB, too. RSE is my least favorite gen but they're obviously canon, unlike Yellow. |
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I wouldn't mind an evil team that just did things like Team Rocket does but ends up causing the wrath of nature (the legendary) instead of having another Cyrus or Lysander...or Archie or Maxie (the four of which had the zanniest plots). Though controlling a legendary for Team Rocket wouldn't be so out of place as their greed could lead them to seeking the ultimate power in their world (Mewtwo in the case of Kanto). But that last one would simply make Giovanni into a Ghetsis like character...minus the crazy... Speaking of Greed I recall reading about how Yakuza (which TR is based on) supposedly were samurai and had to protect the people. They could have it that Giovanni made TR to combat crime but then his greed cause it to become a criminal group itself. How did you ended up quoting Cerberus for something I said (the Pokegear 7 thing) 0_o...hate it when the site glitches. If they do dual versions he could have one Nidoroyal in each. Anyways earlier I mentioned Mew. After playing the Delta Episode I have the feeling that GF will make one event legend obtainable in game to cut down on event mons, at least in remakes. With DP remakes having Giratina versus Arceus. FrLg remakes would have Mewtwo versus Mew. HgSs could have a post game plot dealing with Celebi. |
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Erika having Bellossom instead of Vileplume was probably just a retcon to showcase a Johto Pokémon, not a nod to Yellow. Koga doesn't have Weezing in GSC, but Janine does. A possible explanation could be that the Pokémon was passed down to her. Anyway, why are we discussing GSC art when it's no longer canon anyway, with the release of HGSS? Red's team in HGSS is a bigger nod to the anime than to Yellow, since Ash never had an Eevee but he did have a Lapras. And you act like Blue's team is nothing when it's probably one of the biggest things that connect RGB and GSC, considering Blue's prominence in the game and status as an enemy trainer. The art doesn't mean a whole lot, they probably went with what was most updated at the time, since the RB sprites were really old. Blue's team in GSC, however, is the same as in RGB, not Yellow. If Yellow was really canon, they wouldn't have completely ignored it when they made FRLG, and they wouldn't have bothered creating a Pokémon Origins anime since the regular anime would be the canon thing for all things 1st gen. Speaking of Pokémon Origins, I really think it's the biggest reason why they won't remake 1st gen again. The alternate dimension with Mega Evolution in Kanto (as per Zinnia's words on the two Hoenns) was already shown in Origins. There's no need for another set of games in Kanto. |
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Who says it has to be a sequel. ? Take kanto make a new story no matter what the time frame is. also they can still reboot the 1st gen, as just because it doesnt fit in current canon doesnt mean they cant reboot it so it fits. so many different canons next to each other you cant really call them canon rather than different realities.
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As for GF hating third versions...well they did add in elements of Crystal and Emerald into the game, especially the post game with their capture being where you get them in their third versions (I think as I never played crystal nor looked it up much) so they don't hate them that much. Only Yellow was ignored in the remakes feature wise. Btw while FrLg were praised by professional critics one of the critiques they had with the games was that it wasn't all that graphically different from RS (funny how RS's remakes though do look more graphically better than XY do...so were HgSs better looking than Pt before them too). Gf said in HgSs that they like too keep the story as close to the originals as possible while making the games a new expereience. I think OrAs was a good balance of change and keeping it the same for them to follow for a new Kanto remake. |
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If Generation 5 and (probably) Generation 6 are anything to go by, GF seems to have largely abandoned the idea of Third Versions in favor of sequels, and seeing as B2W2 ended up selling better than any Third Version besides Yellow (7.81 million vs Crystal's 6.39 million, Emerald's 6.41 million, and Platinum's 7.59 million; the only reason B2W2's sales weren't even higher was because the games were released for a dying handheld), it's a wise financial decision, especially now that XY (13.29 million) have dethroned RS (15.85 million) as the franchise's worst-selling paired games. Quote:
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As an adult, myself, I prefer adult stories about adult characters (hence the reason why most of my fanfiction focuses on Gym Leaders and Elite Four members, nowadays), although not necessarily "dark." (One of many reasons I loathe Adventures; too much of it reads like someone's bad dark!fic.) I like things that are smart/witty, character-driven, and relatable. |
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Also by Emerald I meant the role of Rayquaza which was brought up in story as part of the myths of Hoenn, not necessary the teams. I wouldn't mind an Emerald remake though to add Juan and Scott (btw both were brought up in ORAS unlike Jessie and James). I agree with Cerberus on the point that a Kanto remake is unlikely any time soon due to the Kanto starters being available in Kalos early on (interestingly even those that appeared post game just as the Johto starters had to wait 5 years between their latest two appearances (2004 Emerald to 2009 HgSs. Even more interesting the Johto starter's were also available in 1999 before Emerald...and 5 years after their remakes...so starting with GSC they've popped up every five years (JP)), and Hoenn's waited five years too (HgSs 2009 to 2014 ORAS (and like the Johto starters starting with Crystal the Hoenn starters have appeared in game every five years starting with Emerald (Sinnoh and Unova don't fit though, nor do the Kanto ones))) and the rest of Kanto legends are available in XY too. Chances are GF will take 2015 off and make Z for 2016, start Gen VII in 2017 or 2018. I think late this decade or early next decade will be the best time for Kanto remakes. Btw Gf had two years between RS and FrLg. Even if they were working with Emerald they could've done more (heck they were working on Pt and HgSs at the same time and actually HgSs could've come before Pt but they opted for Pt to come first. Chances are it's the same case for Emerald and Z...though if they do take a break chances are likely they'll go with X2Y2 (as having Kalos sequels being developed at the same time as the Hoenn remakes only to be released one year after the other would be difficult as a third version just requires editing of something already made so that takes less time. Btw XY were in development around Gen V so they probably had XY done awhile before they released it). |
okay so i'm about 12 pages late to this thread aka skip what everyone said and pretend i'm the first post tehe 0:)
the kanto region is one i could replay over and over so i'd love to see it remade again. but with that said it's nothing i'm pushing for or hoping for as i know it's already been remade, though now even that remake is outdated. right now i'm more excited to see the third installment of x/y as i really enjoyed Kalos and the new pokemon in it. |
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But the 3rd gen games are very unimpressive graphically speaking. There are people who praise them because they have high framerate, but that's because they don't even scratch the GBA's potential. So they're fast, but the effects looked ugly and some were reused from 2nd gen (Flamethrower, for example). "I have zero interest in Kalos" you should give it a try, it's not too bad. Far from perfect, though. |
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I think Gen V and III are the most rushed. GF should've waited to release V on the 3DS while they should've spread out Gen III to every year release like they dubbed them in America. Though it's interesting you guys are bashing Gen III's graphics...as those against Hoenn remakes said they were still modern and playable up to a year ago.
DP fans who started with them at 8 are going to be 16/17 this year so can we expect Sinnoh remakes soon after a wave of applause for DP? (also BN didn't you say earlier that those who started with RGBY seem to be fewer now in days in the fandom? So how can they drawf Gen III fans. Also (if you count II as a GB gen) the GB and DS had two gens so of course it'll have/had more.) Irc the second best selling Gen was IV so unless Unova, Kalos and/or possibly the Hoenn remakes or life got them out of the fandom there should be a sizable number. Sadly those that started out with the remakes aren't that vocal about a re-remake it seems as one barely sees them being vocal about another Kanto remake except the oldest fans (Gen I fans). GF said that they want to do simple next Gen, so if they do remake Kanto again I expect it'll be similar to the originals and FrLg in terms of story...by that I mean the not so fantastical (they made RSE more so in ORAS.). Though if GF wants simple they should remake Kanto then instead of making more lame Kanto wannabes like Unova and the not so lame Kalos (both of which aren't simple). |
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GSC were almost too much for the technology of their time. It would be a good 5 or more years until there was a Nintendo handheld with its own built-in clock, and yet, GSC implemented a full-blown Day/Night System, run completely off of a battery-powered clock in the cartridge (which had the nasty side-effect of making the games completely unplayable after 5 or so years). Same goes for the two regions; people complain about GSC Kanto being watered-down, but people forget that the GB/C carts could only hold so much data. And, the animated sprites in Crystal were considered very good for the time, and many still consider them to be superior to the more generic animations of later Gens (especially Emerald). Quote:
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Kanto even in the remakes of RG and GS was never given a facility like Contests, Pokethalon, musicals, or a movie studio. So if they remake FrLg I'll like for them to make Team Rocket's base a side game facility as the game corner is unlikely to return (and I would hate to see it empty as it'll no longer explain where the heck TR are getting their funding from when they're not stealing Pokémon (which is where Teams Magma, Aqua and Neo Plasma seem to have gotten theirs...while Galactic did both the casino and stealing thing plus had advertisements of supporting energy development while Flare had Lysander's business' backing them)).
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I could see a remake of red and blue. D,P,Pl already have a DS platform, so it would be just a bit redundant until some kind of majorly updated system is released. They had deep stories, cut scenes and all the stuff a remake would try to add. Ruby and Sapphire still sat in that prehistoric area before the separation of physical moves and special moves. They also suffered from the limitations of the gameboy. FireRed and LeafGreen suffered from all the same limitations.
But at the same time, X and Y seem like celebrations of the first games in a certain way. They also already included the mega-evolutions of the first gen starters AND Mewtwo. I'd personally enjoy an updated version of Red and Blue if they received similar treatment as Ruby and Sapphire. I didn't really enjoy FireRed and LeafGreen very much and I think a more personal and character driven story could reeeeally make gen 1 amazing. Something like Pokemon Origins: The Game...just let us go to Sinnoh in post game. |
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A better solution would be to expand the Sevii Islands into a real region; add in the islands that were cut from FRLG, and give them a real backstory. We could even have a few gyms there, possibly with a developing League. (Sequel bait!) It just annoys me that GF went through the trouble of creating this whole new region/area for FRLG, only to end up tossing it into the scrapper when it was done serving its "purpose" of giving you underleveled Gen 2 Pokémon that should've been in the Kanto Dex (and being a dumping ground for NPCs GF no longer wants anything to do with). Did you know that the Sevii Islands are the now the *only* region (however small) that haven't made any appearances on the DS or 3DS? Talk about forgotten! |
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While the Sevii Islands were pretty underwhelming in FRLG, I think they can be salvaged in a new remake. They were obviously intended to be GF's answer to the Orange Islands (however poor), so why not give them a unique 4-badge League similar to the Orange League? And, they could put in a postgame Lugia/Bird Trio story as a nod to Pokémon 2000. And, maybe, we could finally get game counterparts of Professor Ivy and Tracey. A few of the sidequests down there could also be inspired by Orange Islands episodes (in the same way that parts of Yellow were inspired by Season 1 episodes). There's a lot they could do with those islands if they put in the effort. |
Given it seems to be the trend to do massive cities in the games since BW, I wonder what city in Kanto might fulfil the role of Castelia/Lumiose/Mauville in a potential remake. It'd be either Saffron or Celadon, but it'd be interesting to see which one they'd pick.
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Maybe they could put Unova's subway in Saffron post game? It does have a the Magnet Train in the Johto games so maybe have them be in the middle of adding a new line to Johto.
Also they could add some Super Contests (that is Sinnoh style) and have Daisy participate in them as her FrLg fame checker called her a "star cordinator" or something along those lines. Maybe make her into a not a modest and not so peppy but still kind contest idol. So while her little brother conquers the battling world she conquers the world of contests. Maybe they could give her a Mega. I imagine her with Vileplume( or Bellossom if they give Vileplume to Erika again) due to her flower name. Maybe she could have a team of 5. Vileplume for Beauty or cuteness, Tangrowth for tough, Venusaur (her starter?!) for coolness, Paras for smart, and ...Victribell for beauty or even more oddly...cuteness depending on what Vileplume is. If they're add Johto mons then Sunflora should replace Paras and be the beauty, Victribell Smart, and Vileplume cute, Venusaur cool. Tangrowth stays the same. |
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