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I love that post game team. I also wanted to give her Roserade and Lilligant. |
In another thread, I posted this as an idea for how a Gen 1 remake could redo the (lame) backstory FRLG attempted to give Lorelei and write her out of the E4 in a way that treats her with respect and gives her room to reappear in a future game:
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I prefer keeping them as Orbs, although they could easily be renamed Ice/Electric/Fire.
The birds' Mega Stones would be found in the trio of Islands surrounding Navel Rock. Also, the birds, themselves, would return to the islands (where they can be caught at L50) if you didn't catch/defeat them in Kanto before awakening Lugia. I'd drop various hints to this storyline throughout the Kanto part of the game, especially around Seafoam/Power Plant/Victory Road. |
I am in the camp that would prefer a break this year and a new game being revealed later this year/released next year.
A Red/Green re-remake for the 20th anniversary makes sense and I would love to see Kanto in 3D. But honestly I'd prefer if the storyline was altered, because after playing the more story-driven games from Gen V and VI, FireRed and LeafGreen just can't keep my attention. Although, I can't think of how the plot could be reworked to include Mega Evolution and all that. Giovanni monopolising on Mega Stones? Or something more Pokemon-esque. |
Please NO! Not to be rude, but we've been to Kanto soooooooooooooo much! It's getting old to me.
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No, we don't need to play in Kanto for the 5th time.
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Things like this would really enhance the plot of Kanto. Make it more in-depth and expanding on the characters. Like I said, I'd prefer something like this over the bland Rocket of R/B and FR/LG. |
If they remake Kanto again I'll like to see new areas added to the region. Perhaps a route north of Mt. Moon that can be accessed post game. It could have the Kalos mascots even.
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And, of course, with the redesign would come new areas. Cinnabar should have an explorable volcano, and there should also be a new area added near the Power Plant where Magneton could evolve. I wouldn't mind seeing the underground tunnels between Cerulean/Vermillion and Celadon/Lavender fleshed out, too. |
Maybe they could bring back Underground Secret Bases and have them play a role in the tunnels?
Speaking the 3DS keep in mind that GF could even use the "New" 3DS which is more powerful than the 3DS so if done right they can do so much more. Kanto is known for being very urban and modern (check out Bulbapedia's page, it's one of the few things they highlight about Kanto along with their scientific achievement) so making it's cities larger would make sense. Also since every non-Kanto Electric gym leader likes messing with their city (Wattson redesigned Mauville, Volkner's gym caused the power outage, Elesa had a entire new building made for gym despite having one she could just have remodeled, and Citron like making inventions and uses the city's biggest attraction as a gym ) perhaps Lt. Surge will follow suit. The old man's building could finally be completed in this new timeline! It could be a PWT even. |
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No, Smogon isn't everything, but for better or worse, the "metagame" is a huge part of the franchise now, and their Tiers are a pretty good guide to what Pokémon are considered "good" or "bad." Something is not a "beast" if it's sitting in NU, RU, or even UU. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Looking at Rhyperior, what's the problem? First of all, its typing. Ground/Rock is well-known for being a horribad defensive typing, especially when paired with horribad Speed and Sp. Defense (as is the case with Rhyperior). Yes, Rhyperior has high HP and Solid Rock, but neither do much to help curb those nasty Water and Grass weaknesses, especially when its so easily outsped and most attacks of those types hit its weak Sp. Defense. (And, even its better Physical Defense does less than it should, thanks to the Ground/Fighting/Steel weaknesses, as well as attacks like Waterfall and Aqua Tail.) And, speaking of Speed, that's also a pretty big issue. To be that slow with that awful of a typing doesn't do it many favors. Rock Polish only goes so far, and Trick Room support is very situational. Basically, Rhyperior is something that should be strong and looks like it on paper... but doesn't exactly work out in practice. A Mega is exactly what it needs, and a Gen 1 remake would be the obvious place to give it one (as it evolves from a Gen 1 Pokémon). |
I bet Mega Rhyperior would get the Aggron treatment or a better ability to get rid of it's 4x weaknesses (at least taking them down to 2x). Since Rhinos are herbivores they could give it Sap Sipper and get rid of one of those weakness ^_^.
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Then, they could, maybe, give it Sand Rush to patch up that Speed stat. Rhyperior has an incredible Attack stat and movepool, but it needs more Speed to really put it to use and pose a threat. |
Rhyperior can't shed its Rock typing because of its lore and the fact it boasts the strongest Rock type move, which is its signature move. If anything, it's the Ground type that would go. Rock is great offensively and benefits more from sandstorm than Ground. In fact, the boost from sandstorm is a big reason why Tyranitar is OU with all those weaknesses. With Assault Vest it becomes impervious to most Special attacks.
I do NOT want changes to Pokémon to be made because of the "metagame" but sadly that's what happening with the Mega Evolutions. Masuda loves the competitive scene and is catering to them now more than ever. (fun fact, my two favorite Johto Pokémon are Houndoom and Tyranitar, but I can't ever use them together now since Houndoom's Mega Evolution clashes with Tyranitar's ability) |
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You can see it in how most of XY's biggest additions--Super Training, Horde Battles, Friend Safari, and even (to a lesser extent) Fairies and Megas--are of more benefit to competitive players than casuals, and how both the new Exp. Share and quick, watered-down story make button-mashing through the game as fast and easy as possible. The fact that XY literally have zero postgame besides competitive battling makes it all the more obvious. |
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My issue with Rhyperior losing the Ground type and being Giovanni's possible ace is that the Mega won't match Giovanni's type as he's a Ground Specialist not a Rock specialist (and if they go the pure Rock route they might as well give Brock Mega Rhyperior). |
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I'm not overly strict about type specialists being strictly monotype, because otherwise, they'd be pretty boring and probably way weaker and easier than they should be. Yes, they should have mostly Pokémon of their type, but there's nothing wrong with them having other stuff when it fits them as characters. (Would anyone seriously argue that Lance give up his Gyarados just because it's not a Dragon type? "Real" Dragon or not, Gyarados fits him way better than crap like Salamence and Garchomp, neither of which I ever want to see on his team again, IMO.) Whether Ground/Rock, Ground, or Rock, Rhyperior is Giovanni's ace, and it fits him perfectly. Persian even fits him perfectly, despite not even being remotely connected to the Ground type. Besides, only its Mega wouldn't be Ground in this scenario. |
I actually hope they remove his Persian and give Giovanni something that evolves from a ground type at least, like say Tyranitar xD.
Also, how are Salamence and Garchomp 'crap'? Tier wise they're higher than Gyarados last I checked, plus have better looking megas (not like that they're much better as the megas of those three are quite bad...Giant Shrimp with warts Gyarados, Ufo Salamence, and Rocker Garchomp...). |
You know, off topic to this discussion about Gym Leaders, but (and I already mentioned this in another thread but i'll post it here anyway) this was something I know happened with Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire so I guess it would be as good a time as any to contemplate it happening here, even though it might have been discussed earlier in the thread: the Hoenn remakes had NPCs stopping you and pointing you in the direction of the plot very often, much like Generation V and XY did. Given those, it's clear that Game Freak wants to make things as linear as possible, and since Kanto has been widely regarded as a not straightforward region at all, some people might get upset if they were to throw hints everywhere like ORAS did, particularly when the original games didn't.
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urg dont remind me, that would be pretty horrible...
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None of those "badass" Dragons give off a mythical air like Dragonite does, which was what the Dragon type was supposed to be about in the beginning. It was the original "fairytale" type, or so to speak. (Now, all Dragonite needs is a Dragon/Fairy Mega to seal the deal and make things come full circle.) |
Hm I like dratini and dragonair but dragonite was never my type, Also how does a cool dragonair turn into a fat yellow green mini winged european style dragon. now if dragonair had an alternate evo into something like shenlongmon of digimon i would like it. ahem the names azulongmon of course.
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Hey Dragonite is cute...
Speaking of Dragons who did win the best Dragon type contest anyways? I'll like for Gf to remake Yellow but to throw most of the anime references aside to make it more like the other games which weren't as impacted as much by extra canon material (Anime,Mangas, etc.) Now that I think about it the Kanto games have the most extra canon stuff, such as FrLg being the first to take Silver being Giovanni's son be canon (first appeared in the GSC arc of Special/Adventures), and before that there is Yellow and it's relationship with the anime. |
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Out of all the Gens, Gen 1 is the simplest, backstory-wise, so it doesn't surprise me that it's borrowed the most things from other canons. Love them or hate them, both the anime and Adventures fleshed out Kanto far more than the games did. Plus, at the time Yellow came out, the anime and games were VERY intertwined, marketing-wise. Promotional material for the games often depicted Pokémon with their anime art, and Red/Blue and Ash/Gary were often treated as one-in-the-same (the fact that Ash and Gary so strongly resembled Red and Blue's original designs only helped this). The anime was, more or less, seen as an extension of the games rather than a separate universe. This changed starting around Gen 3 and the end of Pokémania. Both Ash and Red got drastic redesigns that made them look more like separate characters, and Blue also got a drastic dye job that made him look a lot less like Gary. Many of the Gym Leaders and E4 Members also got redesigns in FRLG and (especially) HGSS that were drastic departures from their older designs (which most of the anime designs were based on... think Sabrina or the Johto Gym Leaders). It also became more common to see Pokémon depicted with game art instead of anime art (helped by the fact that Gen 3's game art was much higher quality than Gen 1 and 2's). Of course, knowing this, that may lower the chances of Yellow being remade, but on the other hand, the early anime is still VERY nostalgic and iconic for a lot of older fans, so a brand new Yellow would be a real treat for many of them. |
^ On drastic changes between versions don't forget the latest remakes...Tabitha's difference between games make the Red's look identical in comparison (apperantly the Ultimate weapon has some relation to Tabitha being fat...and more character's having tans).
Actually Red's small change in FRLg then Sabrina's bigger change in HGSS then ORAS' more drastic departure should alarm fans for Kanto re-remakes (and Sinnoh remakes)...it's a pattern between remakes who know we may get a short or super tall James...and an older looking Giovanni or even a very sickly looking Giovanni... So I heard this wacky rumor from a youtuber saying Yellow will be remade next year...but for the Wii U...wonder how that would work (there are equally wacky rumors about Gen VII and the Wii U too). |
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In FRLG, the Kanto Gym Leaders (and Lance, to a lesser extent) changed very little, while Lorelei, Bruno, and Agatha got drastic makeovers... Those three also happened to be the only NPCs who didn't have any official art in Gen 1 (outside of Stadium portraits, which depict drastically different designs than they had in FRLG; Lance, in comparison, is much more recognizable). Even fewer characters had full-body art in GSC (for whatever reason), so HGSS brought more drastic redesigns. Eusine and Janine were among the few characters to have complete art in Gen 2, so their outfits saw few changes, while the likes of Pryce, Clair, and Karen (who had little to no official art in GSC) got major makeovers. It's a similar case with ORAS. The Hoenn Gym Leaders and E4 all had complete artwork in RSE, so with a few exceptions, they all looked pretty similar in ORAS. The likes of Courtney, Tabitha, Matt, and Shelly, on the other hand, had zero artwork in RSE, so they all got huge makeovers. After RSE, there aren't many characters left without official art, so I think we'll see fewer drastic redesigns in future remakes. Quote:
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Tbh, I think gen 1 is beyond remake capabilities. There's just too much change that happened during all those generations transitions. What I'd rather like to see is a complete recreation of Kanto. Redesign all the routes, caves and towns, rebalance all the trainers, change all the encounters with wild Pokemon; nobody likes to see Rattata on every route, especially now where we have over 700 other Pokemon to choose from. Recreate the complete story so that you actually see how Team Rocket is doing what they do and add more content to show that they're actually taking actions instead of just being there, waiting to be beat up by a little kid, like in the original games.
Also add exploration elements that are actually explorative; now that there's basically no limit in memory capacities, it gives so many possiblities to hide secrets. Also Mega Venomoth. |
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And, a big YES to the larger Pokédex. Would it be that hard to, at least, give us all of Gen 2 and all of the later pre/evolutions? |
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I think they should do Kanto Remakes Because Pokemon's 20th Anniversary is coming up so it would kinda make sense if they did.
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Sign me up for that now! Yes!
I'd kill for Kanto remakes in the current format. Imagine what they could do with it, Cerulan Cave, Rocket Headquarters etc... |
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It would have to be a yellow remake, and even then I'd be sceptical, just because ever since Yellow Game Freak have steered clear of the anime (remember, the anime is based on the games rather than the other way around). Prime case is FRLG where instead of the Orange Islands Game Freak made up their own Sevii Islands.
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(And a lot of those listed on bulba are kinda iffy. Clair using a Gyarados included - Lance used one too, and it's not red like in the anime. They have an obvious tie and Gyarados is dragon-like, and I honestly can't say that sounds like an actual reference. Or the cinnabar one. 'GSC said Cinnabar was destroy by a volcano. There's a volcano in the anime!' is... really drawing a long bow there. Pokemon Puzzle League meanwhile is unapologetically based on the anime. And a large list are Smash Bros, which is another category in itself.) Being ignorant of the anime I can't say if it would have been worse. I wasn't the greatest fan of the Sevii Islands but I'm not sure the Orange Island would have been necessarily better. |
I'm more than fine with remakes because I like seeing earlier regions with updated mechanics, graphics, and music. But remakes of remakes...I feel like it'd be too much. If they did that, there might be more remakes than games with new adventures coming out.
In order for me to want it, there would have to significant changes that set it apart from RBY and FRLG other than the above mentioned updates, because FRLG did that for its time. Especially since Kanto is my second least favorite region. The only big change I can think of that would make me want the game(s) would be a brand new adventure in Kanto (which wouldn't really be a Red/Blue remake anyway), which I've seen suggested occasionally. |
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I don't see a Kanto remake coming out any time soon, unless it gets shoehorned into X/Y2 or something like that.
It has been included in four straight generations, in remakes in the case of III and IV. The likely targeted fanbase (which are mostly genwunners, look at the numbers) would revolt anyway like they did with FR/LG. DPPt is now becoming the fan favorite, like how RSE was at the time when they got their remakes. And so on. I see more reason why they would remake Gen IV next, and then any subsequent gens along the line if Pokemon manages to live that long, than they would remake Gen I again. An all-generation game (if possible) is probably going to be Gamefreak's last project if it is to happen at all. |
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A new remake should have some sort of mountain or volcano on Cinnabar. Thanks to the Gen 2 games, we know that one is supposed to be there, so why make it suddenly vanish in Gen 1 remakes? And, in addition, I think the volcano should be explorable. Maybe, they could stick a Legendary or something deep in it? |
The only things i want in a Red/Blue remake, and the only things i believe Red/Blue remake will ever need to be enjoyable and still feel fresh, but not distorting of what makes it a remake of the original. After all, the goal is still to introduce new fans and old to the original experience Red/Blue had:
more companionship with your starter Pokemon. Since their on the cover of the games, they should be highlighted more. Just like in Pokemon Yellow, being able to walk with you, see its mood, and perhaps a very small amount of features that help make Pokemon more dynamic. Surfing Pikachu game. Through some form of event, a Pikachu with the surf ability should be added in. More references to Pokemon Gold/Silver....perhaps an episode where you reach Mt silver and suddenly battle Gold (of course with a time gap). If it absolutely needs it, i suppose day/night feature wont hurt. However, i do believe that if their going to put that feature to use, they should add some mini events for it. (i still don't want to see a reshuffled Pokemon roster for each game just for the sake of having nocturnal/diurnal Pokemon, that's not what Pokemon Red/Blue were about). Above all else, an expansion on Mew/Mewtwo story, and of course an expansion/side quest for the legendary birds of Kanto. Eusine seems to be from Kanto, so why not incorporate him in? THINGS I DONT WANT TO SEE: Customization i feel is absolutely unnecessary even for a modern Pokemon game, especially when its about a character who has had a set design and has grown iconic in the Pokemon community. if customization had to be done, i would say that it would be limited to different baseball caps, and shirts. I don't want to see Mega Evolutions, or any specific game mechanics introduced in current gen....and let me clarify this especially, I don't want to see these things within the single player experience of the game. Obviously the game has to be capable of current gen mechanics in order to battle with friends and others, and it makes no sense to make a whole new network just for the remake. However, i don't want those things to be incorporated into the canon of the story (like what Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire did). it doesn't need to be done. I don't want to see redesigned Kanto, Generation 1 kanto looked beautiful and have always imagined what it would look like in 3D. again, whats the point of a remake if they redesign completely just because it appears more modern? |
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If they let us explore it in the time of Gen I, we may need Dive to access its interior. |
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Look at Metroid: Zero Mission (if you haven't played it, do so if you like Metroid). MZM not only updated the graphics to modern standards and redesigned everything to make it feel like a completely new game while retaining many of the basic design concepts of the original Metroid (which is very loose at times), but it also fixed whatever flaws the original had and it added plenty of new features and content, mostly to bring it up to modern standards. This new content ranged from series staples that appeared later on in the series like Speed Boost and Super Missiles to expanding many existing areas and the addition of entirely new areas. |
I'm honestly so tired of Kanto. If I see another Kanto game or game with Kanto in it I will rip my eyes from sockets. Like really do we really need to keep revisiting this region. I want something new I'm so tired of Kanto this Kanto that. Granted I'm a Hoennbaby I was in love with ORAS but I still want something new like Pokemon Z, Pokemon Delta Z, or Pokemon Delta Emerld Z.
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It would be nice though to see some changes like new areas to give it a fresh feel (Hoenn sadly lacked that). They could introduce the Mega story post game. Also a Kanto remake could explain why a Pokemon like Mewtwo which was man-made would have a Mega stone (unless the theory of how Mega stones were created is wrong). It could be that Mewtwonite are a mutation of Mewnite stones. Or perhaps Mega Stones were created from the DNA inside of Mew (which is connected with the rest) which would wouldn't be contradicted by ORAS as Super-ancient mons like Groudon and Kyogre lack Megas and the third super-ancient Pokemon, Rayquaza's Mega is so different from the rest. |
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A port is literally taking the same game (with no major changes whatsoever -- including graphics) and putting it on a new system. For example: Mega Man Xtreme on e-shop is literally the exact same game that it was from when it came out in GBC cartridge. That is a Port. An example of a "remake" is Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy III were remade for the DS in 3D. they expanded the story with some cutscenes, and added a few game mechanics to balance out the game. BUt they didn't "add" anything that the current Final Fantasies had. And they didn't need to. because the games were fine the way they were back then. Quote:
That's why it was criticized, but if it was a genuine, full remake of the original, that only modernized the graphics and modernized the mechanics (to the level that will only allow PvP between X&Y), AND they fully admitted this when they announced ORAS, then Fans wouldn't have expected so many new mechanics on a remake. But they didn't, we saw something that was clearly nothing near the original, only in name.... Quote:
Metroid Zero Mission is fun, but then again they remade a game that was nothing but gameplay and nothing about story...So remaking a game like that means nothing (except for the fans that enjoyed the story continuation from then on). but they didn't need to remake Metroid Zero Mission the way they did. For example: They could've remade Metroid, Metroid II: Return of Samus, and Super Metroid as one continuous story. But they chose to remake Metroid only. Quote:
i could care less about the mega evolution story....it would've been nice if mega evolutions were properly introduced in X&Y rather than make a substory where its introduced in ORAS. i value story a lot....i don't value retcons. And i don't want red/blue to be retconned. |
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It'll have to be this Gen though as a Gen VII Gen I remake would retcon the current timeline...interestingly so would a Gen VII (another) gen II remake in addition to DP, and BW remake (and in a way so would B2W2 but that one can get away with it). Considering Gen VI looks like it only two more games left...and both are likely Kalos games Gen I remakes for this Gen are low. So Gen VII should start a new timeline that takes place at the same time as the Kanto saga like Gen III is with FrLg. Eitherway a Kanto re-remake isn't going to part of the current timeline that ORAS showed (and XY established) as it'll retcon a whole gen... (sadly Hoenn will be left behind while Kalos's remake would fit right in (unless if another Gen VII-remake scenerio occurs). Unless if Emerald is remade next gen alongside Gen I Kanto (Yellow or Blue...if Blue it should be AquamarineBlue to fit with a DeltaEmerald) to fix things with the regions + timeline).
I sort of hope that the two games left is proven wrong and GF will simply remake all the gens this Gen. GF does want to slow down the rate of new mons. Perhaps the next pair will be Kanto-Johto remakes followed by DP remakes which then are followed by Grey and Grey2 as Gen V remakes then Z to finish things off. GF did say they wanted to end this Gen differently a simple third version after Gen I-V remakes would be a surprise... Unlikely but then again Nintendo did recently mention they have a remake strategy when it comes to their properties (look at all the remakes...Xenoblade 3D, MM3D (shortly after OoT3D came out), ORAS, etc.) and would look to remaking more games. |
How do you know that Gen 7 won't be part of the same timeline? Gen 4 didn't retcon the timeline from Gen 3, and Gen 5 didn't retcon the timeline from Gen 4, after all. The only Gens that established new timelines were Gens 3 and 6.
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Man, Gen 6 really did a number on the games' timeline, didn't it? In a sense, they already wrote themselves in a corner when they chose to set XY during B2W2 and didn't completely hit the reset button like they did way back with the original RSE. I'm sure GF already knew that remaking RSE would require another "reboot" of sorts, since the games take place before GSC/HGSS on the timeline and were, themselves, the original reboot. But, on the other hand, I don't think GF was entirely sure on how to do this. The easy way out would've been to just hit the reset button with XY and set it during the same time as Gens 1 and 3, but then, they ran the risk of alienating more people, especially when you consider how soon XY came out after B2W2. That was obviously something GF was trying to avoid. In short, GF didn't plan this new timeline out. At all. :sideways: (And, that's not even considering the fact that they may have already screwed things up by introducing new Megas in ORAS and not patching them to exist in XY.) |
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Actually if I had gotten my way and ORAS had appeared at the end of the Generation they could have made it so that the Kalos games were the end and then have the remakes cut off from the Gen III-XY'Z' timeline and make a new one where the next gen games would pick up by taking place a couple of months after ORAS and then they could've remade Kanto which would also be a few months after ORAS (perhaps the explosion in the Cave of Origin could have caused the sudden discovery of more mons in regions far from Hoenn). Anyways since the anime seems to have hints of remakes prior to them happening perhaps the manga does too. Spoiler:
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I think it would be an interesting play to use the X&Y engine, but utilize an 8-Bit style. You'd get that 3D feel and also get an interesting glance at what could be done with the game. I think it would be intriguing to watch how the Pokémon could turn out . Of course, some people might not appreciate a sepia/black and white filled land, so of course it'd be an item much akin to the GB Sounds item in HG and SS.
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Well, I remember that a supposed hint towards FRLG in AG was May obtaining a Bulbasaur, and a hint towards HGSS in DP was Dawn obtaining a Cyndaquil. Marina (based on the Gen 2 female PC) also appeared on the cover of a magazine in a DP episode. As for ORAS hints, well, the main cast of XY has a similar set up to the main cast of AG, with a tag-along younger sibling (albeit, this time a girl and related to the male companion, instead of the other way around). There's also some possible Gen 1 hints in XY, too. Ash's newest redesign makes him look more similar to Red's FRLG look (merged with a bit of Calem's design), and Serena is said to be Ash's childhood friend from Pallet Town. The (English) XY theme is also a remix of the show's original theme song. Quote:
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Well they could make a game with nice sprites. Sprite art is in. I do think that they should remake Kanto in 3D though, while Hoenn was treated in Gen IV-V by bulbapedia as the only region not in 3D Gen I Kanto should've been counted too, seeing how it's layout is different from future Kanto. |
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And even if it isn't, it at least lets us imagine the events of every Pokémon game happening with different backgrounds, without the need to retcon or contradict anything. Which I still think is great. |
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I hope they bring back trainer customization for a Kanto remake. I don't know much about Japanese fashion but if I'm not mistaken Tokyo is a major player in the fashion of that country and we all know Kanto has Tokyo's Poke counterpart ( Saffron)...plus Leaf (and Dawn, funny enough those two and May (in Sapphire) were the only female characters I've played as) came off as one of the most fashionable females. Also those who like blacked haired (or brown haired) Red can will be happy as they can choose his hair color.
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This could actually be a great way to establish that the girl character from FRLG is indeed "real". If you played as her in those games, then you know there is a future (an HGSS) in which she is the heroic Kanto Trainer who challenges the Johto protagonist at Mt. Silver, even if we don't get to see it because of real-world decisions (like keeping the final battle the same as the originals in the remakes). It would be very similar to how we aren't likely to see the non-Mega versions of XY, even though we know they probably happen. |
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Still.....a faithful Red/Blue remake is all i ask...i don't think i'm off-base at all to ask such a thing. Mega evolution isn't something that's needed to be incorporated within the story of the game. incorporated into the mechanics? sure....if you want to battle between players. but not story. |
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It was the remakes and Unova games that threw a monkey wrench into this system, as they lacked Third Versions. The Unova games dealt with this, somewhat, by acknowledging the existence of parallel universes and having the Memory Link feature in the sequels (which prevented one PC from being favored over another). FRLG and HGSS were another story, on the other hand. As FireRed and LeafGreen had no real differences outside of Wild Pokémon, it should've been simple to treat them as one canon, but HGSS screwed that up by leaving in all of Yellow callbacks from the original GSC, even though FRLG incorporated nothing from Yellow. Going from HGSS, the canon Gen 1 game for the Gen 3-5 timeline isn't FRLG, but instead, a game that doesn't exist--a theoretical Yellow remake that doesn't include any of FRLG's additions, like the female PC or the Sevii Islands. And, then, you have the mess that is XY and ORAS... Quote:
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I don't think you are...but I do think some would rather see another ORAS style remake compared to another FRLG take on it. I prefer a HGSS style remake of RGBY (hey people said GSC and RSE remakes so why not use all of it?) but with a all of the evolutionary additions made after Gen I like ORAS' Hoenn dex did by having all of the evolutionary relatives of it's mons post Gen III (aka their Gen IV evolutions). In other words I'll like to see Magby,Magmotar, Elekid, Electivire, Smoochum, Umbreon, Espeon, Leafeon, Glaceon, Sylveon, Crobat, Happiny, Blissey, Rhyperior, Scyther, Steelix, Bellosom, Politoad, Pichu, Cleffa, Iggybuff, and Mime Jr. added in (I think I named all...may have missed one or two) to the the Kanto dex (that'll be a boost of 22 or so mons for a dex total of 173 or so (not yet the size of Hoenn's but close)). |
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The dex expansion is an easy fix but it took the third set of remakes to expand it's region's dex with all of the cross-generation evolutionary relatives... |
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Uh two dexes pre-national dex seems a bit strange (or would the other simply be the National dex?)...would there be any difference in the entries of the two?
It really seems like you'll like another FRLG style remake..more than a HGSS style remake. Anyways I think GF will add Megas to bring Kanto the storyline addition they introduced this Gen and thus the 'standards' established by XY. |
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FRLG didn't add post game where you go to mount silver certain time later and battle Gold. |
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Sorry, I missed that you said that :3c I doubt the battle with Gold would happen though... Wait, what are 'Team Battles'? Do you mean doubles? As FrLg had some. |
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I believe a batte with Gold can work if they compile a Gold/Silver remake. |
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It seems GF shook off their more conservative take on remakes (in HGSS they tried to balance changes and keeping it the same while FRLG were their most conservative remakes.) with ORAS...wonder why though seeing how HGSS was successful (or maybe the slightly more different HGSS (compared to GS) selling better than FRLG made them think more changes were good). If ORAS becomes more successful though sales wise than HGSS they may opt for more changes with Sinnoh and other future remakes. Or perhaps ORAS was just an experiment on a more drastic shift from past remakes and will go back to HGSS style or somewhere in between HGSS and ORAS style, especially with some of the complaints they've heard about ORAS (perhaps HGSS was less of a port due to the complaints of FRLG being too similar to RGB?) Maybe...if they do two games in one (or use the memory link and have time pass in the Kanto re-remake...or have Red time travel...Celebi anyone?) |
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From Cyhtia's dialogue in BW, Platinum happens both in the timeline with Black and Black 2, and in the timeline with White and White 2. And not only do the events of Platinum happen in both timelines, the Trainer could also have been either gender, and the Trainer could have caught Giratina, or defeated it, or calmed it by not fighting it, and every combination of those possibilities is valid in the Gen V games. So we have Platinum, Black, White, and their sequels, happening over two timelines, whose heroes' identities (and in Platinum's case, some of their actions) we can interpret however we like. Admittedly, this bit does leave out people who played Diamond and/or Pearl but not Platinum, but again, that happens because of the existence of different versions rather than the existence of different timelines. Though Giratina is present in Diamond and Pearl, so one could still try fitting them in even if it isn't the main Pokémon. |
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For example, the only inconsistency in Red and Blue outside of Wild Pokemon (which I don't count for story purposes) is Starter selection--You can only pick one, so you run the risk of canonizing certain Starters over others. Yellow solves this dilemma by having you start with Pikachu and giving you all three Kanto Starters later on, so thus, in GSC, Red can have a team that's 100% neutral and includes every starter while still making sense in canon. Similarly, the biggest inconsistency in Gold and Silver is whether or not you fight Ho-Oh or Lugia first. Crystal solves this by having both of the birds be L70 postgame catches and giving more focus to Suicune, instead. Same goes for Ruby and Sapphire. Which story is canon, the one with Team Magma and Groudon or Team Aqua and Kyogre? Emerald neatly answers that question by combining both stories into one and allowing you to catch all three members of the Weather Trio. Rinse and repeat for Diamond and Pearl. Platinum makes it so you don't have to choose between Dialga and Palkia. TV Tropes has a name for this: Third Option Adaptation. Quote:
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So how do you guys think using a feature like Memory Link would impact how users play through sequels? I assume that your player character from the ΩR/αS timeline's counterparts to G/S/C/HG/SS would face off against your player character from the ΩR/αS timeline's counterparts to R/G/B/Y/FR/LG once the former reached Mt. Silver, but what else could happen if events in one game depended on how you played through one of its prequels?
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If they do end up shilling Kanto for a fourth time then i hope they at least dont pull another ORAS and make the game disappointing.
Im talking about things like: -Cutting Firered/Leafgreen content like the sevii islands -Copypasting the battle maison AGAIN -Supereasy difficulty -Getting handed legendaries (latias or latios in ORAS) -Megas shoved ingracefully into the storyline -Nearly absent postgame beyond another glorified fetchquest like the delta edisode But of course all game freak sees is piles of parents yen and dollars for TEH NEW POGEYMANZ GAEM |
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I dont even think there is a canon anymore after that delta episode multiverse stuff
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We also could unlock is something like the Celebi event, but with the Kanto hero from the linked game. Or memories with Team Rocket members discussing their return after the team was disbanded, mentioning the linked player. |
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Red having all three Starters is pretty significant, as Yellow is the only game where you can literally own all three of them. (Yes, you can trade them in from other games or get them as gifts from Stadium in Red/Blue, but none of those Starters will have your name and Trainer ID. Only in Yellow can you get all three under your name and Trainer ID.) And, there's no special Pikachu gift or event in Red/Blue, and Red's team was pretty obviously meant to be entirely made up of in-game gifts and events. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been 100% neutral. |
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Either way if they remake Yellow and eventually Crystal I hope the Crystal remake would have his eeveelution. Also I think that a Kanto re-remake should give Mega Eeveelutions for the Kanto eeveelutions. Raichu (Pikachu) Wigglytuff (Jigglypuff) and Eevee's evolutions are the only popular Gen I pokemon (in Japan at the time of Gen I) that didn't get Megas in XY. Well Pikachu got costume forms and Eevee got another evolution...but Jigglypuff's line got nothing... |
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Well, Wigglytuff got the Fairy typing. Unfortunately, Clefable did, too, so Wigglytuff remains outclassed. What Jigglypuff could really use is a Light Ball-type item of its own, maybe one that doubles its Attack/Sp. Attack/Speed. Ideally, Wigglytuff could use it, too, but GF seems to regard Wigglytuff in a similar way as Raichu. |
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Well at least Dragonite has company in the champion aces without Megas...ORAS didn't give make a Mega Milotic for Wallace when they could've (Flygon also didn't despite being popular and taking the Lati's place in the opening of Emerald). On the topic of Megas if GF recreates the original opening from the Gen I games will they have Nidorino fight Mega Gengar? Or will the two be replaced like how ORAS replaced the Pokemon battling in RS and Emerald with (Megas) Camerupt and Sharpedo. Or perhaps have Mega Nidoking versus Mega Gengar. Since Hoenn's E4 got Megas post game chances are likely for aces of Kanto E4. Mega Dragonite is obvious. Agatha will very likely get Mega Gengar. Now Bruno...Mega Machamp needs to happen. Lorelei could use...Mega Lapras? Or will she end up getting Mega Slowbro? (I know it's not ice and that will bother me). |
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I feel bad for Flygon. It's literally the only Gen 3 Dragon to not have a Mega, and to make matters worse, they have Aarune, the Secret Base expert who has a Flygon as his ace, give you the Mega Stone for GARCHOMP, instead. Talk about a middle finger. Quote:
As someone who owned Blue instead of Red, I'd like to see the Jigglypuff vs Gengar battle return in paired remakes (or, at least, the Blue one)--Never liked how FRLG ignored it over Red's Nidorino vs Gengar intro. Either intro, though, would probably have Mega Gengar. Not sure about Nidorino/Jigglypuff, though. Quote:
Lorelei could have either Lapras or Jynx, although most likely the former, considering GF's hatred for the latter. Mega Lapras, though, is likely to drop its Ice typing for either mono-Water, Water/Fairy, or Water/Dragon, but that doesn't bother me. (Mega Jynx, if she happens, I'd prefer to be Ice/Fairy). Lance, of course, will get his Dragon/Fairy Mega Dragonite, perfect for a beautiful fairytale knight like him. {<3} |
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Well I don't think they retcon Wallace out of being champion if the ending of the Delta Episode is any indication (perhaps we'll see Mega Milotic in a couple of year once Delta Emerald is made...I hope...). Let's just hope that GF doesn't end up saving Dragonite for potential HGSS remakes... |
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