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Who says it has to be a sequel. ? Take kanto make a new story no matter what the time frame is. also they can still reboot the 1st gen, as just because it doesnt fit in current canon doesnt mean they cant reboot it so it fits. so many different canons next to each other you cant really call them canon rather than different realities.
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As for GF hating third versions...well they did add in elements of Crystal and Emerald into the game, especially the post game with their capture being where you get them in their third versions (I think as I never played crystal nor looked it up much) so they don't hate them that much. Only Yellow was ignored in the remakes feature wise. Btw while FrLg were praised by professional critics one of the critiques they had with the games was that it wasn't all that graphically different from RS (funny how RS's remakes though do look more graphically better than XY do...so were HgSs better looking than Pt before them too). Gf said in HgSs that they like too keep the story as close to the originals as possible while making the games a new expereience. I think OrAs was a good balance of change and keeping it the same for them to follow for a new Kanto remake. |
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If Generation 5 and (probably) Generation 6 are anything to go by, GF seems to have largely abandoned the idea of Third Versions in favor of sequels, and seeing as B2W2 ended up selling better than any Third Version besides Yellow (7.81 million vs Crystal's 6.39 million, Emerald's 6.41 million, and Platinum's 7.59 million; the only reason B2W2's sales weren't even higher was because the games were released for a dying handheld), it's a wise financial decision, especially now that XY (13.29 million) have dethroned RS (15.85 million) as the franchise's worst-selling paired games. Quote:
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Blaine, however, is an unique example. His canon ace, going by the PWT, is Arcanine, which is in tune with RGBY and FRLG. Blaine should've had Magmar in Yellow, but I think the anime hadn't reached Cinnabar Gym yet when Yellow was developed. Still, he has Ninetales in Yellow, which he also does in the anime. In the other games, his ace is either Rapidash (GSC, HGSS) or Magmortar (HGSS rematch). Quote:
But it's a matter of terminology, really. I call 2nd gen Pokémon "Johto Pokémon" and will build Johto-only teams which consist of only 2nd gen Pokémon despite some of them being found only in Kanto in the games (one of the examples is in my sig). Quote:
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Speaking of the regular anime, I don't hate it as much as I've grown out of it. I got older, so I'd prefer the franchise to go with a darker tone in an adaptation. |
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And, getting the old starters in a completely different game set in a completely different region with completely different characters isn't at all equivalent to a new Gen 1 remake. Nor, is a non-canon anime adaptation. Quote:
As an adult, myself, I prefer adult stories about adult characters (hence the reason why most of my fanfiction focuses on Gym Leaders and Elite Four members, nowadays), although not necessarily "dark." (One of many reasons I loathe Adventures; too much of it reads like someone's bad dark!fic.) I like things that are smart/witty, character-driven, and relatable. |
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Also by Emerald I meant the role of Rayquaza which was brought up in story as part of the myths of Hoenn, not necessary the teams. I wouldn't mind an Emerald remake though to add Juan and Scott (btw both were brought up in ORAS unlike Jessie and James). I agree with Cerberus on the point that a Kanto remake is unlikely any time soon due to the Kanto starters being available in Kalos early on (interestingly even those that appeared post game just as the Johto starters had to wait 5 years between their latest two appearances (2004 Emerald to 2009 HgSs. Even more interesting the Johto starter's were also available in 1999 before Emerald...and 5 years after their remakes...so starting with GSC they've popped up every five years (JP)), and Hoenn's waited five years too (HgSs 2009 to 2014 ORAS (and like the Johto starters starting with Crystal the Hoenn starters have appeared in game every five years starting with Emerald (Sinnoh and Unova don't fit though, nor do the Kanto ones))) and the rest of Kanto legends are available in XY too. Chances are GF will take 2015 off and make Z for 2016, start Gen VII in 2017 or 2018. I think late this decade or early next decade will be the best time for Kanto remakes. Btw Gf had two years between RS and FrLg. Even if they were working with Emerald they could've done more (heck they were working on Pt and HgSs at the same time and actually HgSs could've come before Pt but they opted for Pt to come first. Chances are it's the same case for Emerald and Z...though if they do take a break chances are likely they'll go with X2Y2 (as having Kalos sequels being developed at the same time as the Hoenn remakes only to be released one year after the other would be difficult as a third version just requires editing of something already made so that takes less time. Btw XY were in development around Gen V so they probably had XY done awhile before they released it). |
okay so i'm about 12 pages late to this thread aka skip what everyone said and pretend i'm the first post tehe 0:)
the kanto region is one i could replay over and over so i'd love to see it remade again. but with that said it's nothing i'm pushing for or hoping for as i know it's already been remade, though now even that remake is outdated. right now i'm more excited to see the third installment of x/y as i really enjoyed Kalos and the new pokemon in it. |
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(Of course, I think the entire Third Generation, as a whole, was a giant missed opportunity. I can see why many people consider RSE/FRLG (along with DPP) to be a "Dork Age" for the franchise.) |
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But the 3rd gen games are very unimpressive graphically speaking. There are people who praise them because they have high framerate, but that's because they don't even scratch the GBA's potential. So they're fast, but the effects looked ugly and some were reused from 2nd gen (Flamethrower, for example). "I have zero interest in Kalos" you should give it a try, it's not too bad. Far from perfect, though. |
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(Now, if someone attempted a hack demake on either the GB/C or GBA, I might try that. At least, then, I could just use VBA to play it.) |
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I think Gen V and III are the most rushed. GF should've waited to release V on the 3DS while they should've spread out Gen III to every year release like they dubbed them in America. Though it's interesting you guys are bashing Gen III's graphics...as those against Hoenn remakes said they were still modern and playable up to a year ago.
DP fans who started with them at 8 are going to be 16/17 this year so can we expect Sinnoh remakes soon after a wave of applause for DP? (also BN didn't you say earlier that those who started with RGBY seem to be fewer now in days in the fandom? So how can they drawf Gen III fans. Also (if you count II as a GB gen) the GB and DS had two gens so of course it'll have/had more.) Irc the second best selling Gen was IV so unless Unova, Kalos and/or possibly the Hoenn remakes or life got them out of the fandom there should be a sizable number. Sadly those that started out with the remakes aren't that vocal about a re-remake it seems as one barely sees them being vocal about another Kanto remake except the oldest fans (Gen I fans). GF said that they want to do simple next Gen, so if they do remake Kanto again I expect it'll be similar to the originals and FrLg in terms of story...by that I mean the not so fantastical (they made RSE more so in ORAS.). Though if GF wants simple they should remake Kanto then instead of making more lame Kanto wannabes like Unova and the not so lame Kalos (both of which aren't simple). |
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GSC were almost too much for the technology of their time. It would be a good 5 or more years until there was a Nintendo handheld with its own built-in clock, and yet, GSC implemented a full-blown Day/Night System, run completely off of a battery-powered clock in the cartridge (which had the nasty side-effect of making the games completely unplayable after 5 or so years). Same goes for the two regions; people complain about GSC Kanto being watered-down, but people forget that the GB/C carts could only hold so much data. And, the animated sprites in Crystal were considered very good for the time, and many still consider them to be superior to the more generic animations of later Gens (especially Emerald). Quote:
There's another hack that's sort of close to being a GB/C demake of XY called XY: Naturia. It has 6th Gen (as well as 3rd-5th Gen) Pokémon, later Gen moves, Serena/Calem as protagonists, and more. However, it has an extremely hard level curve and isn't made for casual play at all (although the creator has admitted this and is working on an easier version). Quote:
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Kanto even in the remakes of RG and GS was never given a facility like Contests, Pokethalon, musicals, or a movie studio. So if they remake FrLg I'll like for them to make Team Rocket's base a side game facility as the game corner is unlikely to return (and I would hate to see it empty as it'll no longer explain where the heck TR are getting their funding from when they're not stealing Pokémon (which is where Teams Magma, Aqua and Neo Plasma seem to have gotten theirs...while Galactic did both the casino and stealing thing plus had advertisements of supporting energy development while Flare had Lysander's business' backing them)).
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I could see a remake of red and blue. D,P,Pl already have a DS platform, so it would be just a bit redundant until some kind of majorly updated system is released. They had deep stories, cut scenes and all the stuff a remake would try to add. Ruby and Sapphire still sat in that prehistoric area before the separation of physical moves and special moves. They also suffered from the limitations of the gameboy. FireRed and LeafGreen suffered from all the same limitations.
But at the same time, X and Y seem like celebrations of the first games in a certain way. They also already included the mega-evolutions of the first gen starters AND Mewtwo. I'd personally enjoy an updated version of Red and Blue if they received similar treatment as Ruby and Sapphire. I didn't really enjoy FireRed and LeafGreen very much and I think a more personal and character driven story could reeeeally make gen 1 amazing. Something like Pokemon Origins: The Game...just let us go to Sinnoh in post game. |
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A better solution would be to expand the Sevii Islands into a real region; add in the islands that were cut from FRLG, and give them a real backstory. We could even have a few gyms there, possibly with a developing League. (Sequel bait!) It just annoys me that GF went through the trouble of creating this whole new region/area for FRLG, only to end up tossing it into the scrapper when it was done serving its "purpose" of giving you underleveled Gen 2 Pokémon that should've been in the Kanto Dex (and being a dumping ground for NPCs GF no longer wants anything to do with). Did you know that the Sevii Islands are the now the *only* region (however small) that haven't made any appearances on the DS or 3DS? Talk about forgotten! |
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While the Sevii Islands were pretty underwhelming in FRLG, I think they can be salvaged in a new remake. They were obviously intended to be GF's answer to the Orange Islands (however poor), so why not give them a unique 4-badge League similar to the Orange League? And, they could put in a postgame Lugia/Bird Trio story as a nod to Pokémon 2000. And, maybe, we could finally get game counterparts of Professor Ivy and Tracey. A few of the sidequests down there could also be inspired by Orange Islands episodes (in the same way that parts of Yellow were inspired by Season 1 episodes). There's a lot they could do with those islands if they put in the effort. |
Given it seems to be the trend to do massive cities in the games since BW, I wonder what city in Kanto might fulfil the role of Castelia/Lumiose/Mauville in a potential remake. It'd be either Saffron or Celadon, but it'd be interesting to see which one they'd pick.
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Maybe they could put Unova's subway in Saffron post game? It does have a the Magnet Train in the Johto games so maybe have them be in the middle of adding a new line to Johto.
Also they could add some Super Contests (that is Sinnoh style) and have Daisy participate in them as her FrLg fame checker called her a "star cordinator" or something along those lines. Maybe make her into a not a modest and not so peppy but still kind contest idol. So while her little brother conquers the battling world she conquers the world of contests. Maybe they could give her a Mega. I imagine her with Vileplume( or Bellossom if they give Vileplume to Erika again) due to her flower name. Maybe she could have a team of 5. Vileplume for Beauty or cuteness, Tangrowth for tough, Venusaur (her starter?!) for coolness, Paras for smart, and ...Victribell for beauty or even more oddly...cuteness depending on what Vileplume is. If they're add Johto mons then Sunflora should replace Paras and be the beauty, Victribell Smart, and Vileplume cute, Venusaur cool. Tangrowth stays the same. |
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