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As for why the Emerald BF didn't return in ORAS, well, first of all, they were obviously trying to ignore as much of Emerald as possible. None of the Gym Leaders had their Emerald teams, and Juan was nowhere to be found. Don't ask me why they chose to do this (although, I can tell you that it isn't because they're going to make "DeltaEmerald" later), but it is what it is. And, time may have also been an issue. It's worth pointing out that both BFs were introduced in Third Versions, games that GF didn't have to build from the ground up, so that gave them more time to develop these large battle areas, create Frontier Brains, and the like. ORAS, on the other hand, were built completely from the ground up and took far more time to make than your typical Third Version, so it's possible that GF thought they could save time by just copying over the Battle Maison from XY instead of taking the time to recreate Emerald's BF in 3DS graphics. This is probably also why HGSS copy/pasted Platinum's BF instead of having a brand new one; it was easier to do, and it saved GF a lot of time. |
I guess a Kanto re-remake will get stuck with whatever the game before it has as a facility :/ (hope it's good). Or maybe not, seeing how FRLG lacked the Battle Tower from Ruby and Sapphire. If it was due to time it would be nice for GF to just say so, rather than make up a bogus excuse :( .
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This whole thread is getting me excited for a game that hasn't even been announced.
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But that last point does make sense - if they wanted to save time to focus on other features then recycling the Battle Frontier wasn't completely out of line; the same logic can be made with B2W2 using the same Battle Subway as in BW. |
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In short, Gen 1 remakes will inevitably get whatever battle facility Gen 7's main games introduce, regardless of whether or not it's in Kanto or the Islands. |
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At least in the case of Hoenn & Kalos it was explained (plus it makes sense as Hoenn is in the past) why there is a copy of the Maison in Hoenn (by Kalos' time the Emerald Battle Frontier likely already replaced the Maison). Unova's subway makes sense. Now Sinnoh & Johto sharing the same facility makes little sense...as there's only a small time difference. |
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Trainer Tower was different from the Battle Tower. The tower north of Mauville in Emerald 'Trainer Hill' was more similar to Trainer tower so for Emerald they copied and pasted from FRLG (they also copied Alternate Cave), but FRLG didn't copy and paste from RS. So we have two Copy and Paste facilities in remakes, and one not. I guess chances for C&P are higher for the Gen VII facility.
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There's plenty of Ground/Flying and Ground Pokémon with Levitate to use and be able to spam Earthquake at the same time. I doubt it'll happen though.
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I want a RBY remake for the 3DS but I want a clean remake, not a sequel. I wasn't a huge fan of ORAS or X&Y because they were unnecessarily complex and I felt they deviated from prior gens too much. Call me a genwunner if you want but I'm just not a fan of Mea Evolutions and the like.
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Well the Battle Resort is bigger compared to it's RS counterpart (but smaller than Emerald's) so they will likely just make it bigger to fit in the facility. I do hope that if they C&P the facility from the Gen VII games they change it up, like give it a color swap and different Frontier Brains.
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I sadly think 1st gen is too dated to remake. If you add Dark and Steel-types to the regional Pokédex, is it really a Kanto remake or a new game altogether? It would suffer from the same issue as ORAS, a game that doesn't know what it wants to be.
Besides, if you remake Kanto again, you'll have to remake the subsequent generations again when the first remakes become too old... When will it stop, really? You'd possibly have generations with two remakes at the same time. That's too much work for GF. |
^ Well I can assure you that you're not the only one to think that, not to mention with all the new mechanics it'd be likely that they might just be seen as attempting to make something different when really they could be simply rehashing old ideas.
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The only reason Gen 1 (either RBY or FRLG) hasn't completely evaporated from memory is because of ROM hacks (and, more specifically, FireRed being the easiest base ever to hack, especially in comparison to the DS games). Sad that fan games are doing a better job of keeping the Gen alive than GF, but it is what it is. Quote:
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I wish the old characters were still used in some fashion, but there are so many of them that it's a bit unreasonable for me to ask. I just can't see the need for a Kanto remake at this point, especially when to "modernize" it they'd probably modify it to the point it's not the original anymore. Pokémon is unique in that they make the game run on a different engine, but most remakes in gaming are basically re-releases with better graphics and rare gameplay enhancements. When they deviate too much from the original game they are often called a new game, like the New Super Mario Bros. series. Quote:
The main draw of the new timeline is the Mega Evolutions. Origins isn't exactly canon but it gave us an idea of what the Kanto story would've been with Mega Evolution involved. So, story-wise, there's really nothing to see in a Kanto remake, if they deviated from it, it wouldn't be a "remake" anymore. |
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(I think most fans went gaga over it just because it starred Red instead of Ash, even when the special did what I thought was impossible in making Red an even duller and less interesting character than Ash ever was. Yawn.) Well, if we're going to cite non-canon fanfiction (which is essentially what Origins is) as an acceptable "substitute" for a Gen 1 remake, then let's give a shout out to ROM hacks and fan games. People who want a modern Gen 1 with Megas, Fairies, a P/S split, nicer graphics, and the rest of the goodies from later Gens should consider supporting Lighting Yellow, which is exactly what I described. |
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If we keep remaking the old games, we'll get to the ludicrous situation 20 years from now where games will have two or three versions of each other. I really don't mind that 1st gen becomes forgotten, because its most important feature, its Pokémon, will live on. The only reason Pokémon games keep getting remade is because of connectivity, which makes the series unique, but even then you can't have all the regions represented in the same generation since we have six regions already. It's simply impossible. Quote:
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Quite a few of the changes in HGSS, especially in Kanto, were motivated by the need to integrate legendary Pokémon into the overworld. They brought back the Seafoam Islands and the Cerulean Cave for Articuno and Mewtwo, respectively. HGSS had many additions but the game is played mostly the same way as GSC. FRLG is not a port of the original RB. A port would mean it's the exact same game but for a different platform. FRLG was RB redone in a different engine, which is different. The problem with FRLG is that Kanto was so well-designed that it was a very "tight" region, making it hard to add something without breaking its "tightness". Therefore, they came up with the Sevii Islands, which I think they realized was a mistake since I believe they weren't referenced in any of the subsequent games. They were a nod to the Orange Islands from the anime, but they hardly had the same "charm". If I may use an analogy, I believe the remakes should be like when you add chocolate syrup on top of the vanilla ice cream, instead of replacing the vanilla ice cream with strawberry ice cream. You build upon the original game, not change it. |
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I must say though that he does have a point in that it'll cause an endless cycle of remakes that I honestly can see no end to, and it hasn't even started yet (at least fully). It's sad to say but I do think sometimes that Gen I-III are heading to oblivion from now on. They will only be remembered by those who played the originals or their remakes, and by hack remakes of said generations. Gen II and III may be fresh so they may seem less distant but I certainly do feel that people are starting to forget about Johto, and once Gen VII (or even earlier) starts Hoenn will begin the process of fading as Johto did with BW's announcement. I would say this, that it'll be nice if GF gave Gens I-III one more remake in the distant future (maybe not so distant for Gen I), that of their third versions (more so Yellow and Emerald as they had things fans of those two missed from FRLG and ORAS). After that they can vanish into oblivion and hacks. It's sad to say but the only reference to the Sevii islands in recent years has been outside of the games, in Pokemon Special, with a character from the Sevii islands popping up in the ORAS saga. |
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