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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8540342)
Frankly, it would be dumb to remake Gen 4 before Gen 1. Diamond may be getting old, but it can still be played on a 3DS. LeafGreen can't. Plus, Gen 4 still has things like a Physical/Special split, a day/night cycle, and 3D graphics that neither version of Gen 1 has.

Sure, *I* still own my old GBC, GBA SP, and Blue/Yellow cartridges (with working batteries, even), and the outdated graphics and mechanics of those games don't bother me a bit. But, that's not the case for most people, especially younger fans. They don't have any way to play the first Generation outside of 10-15 year old games on emulators, which as I said, will never be a solution.



An "alternate version of that same time period" is a different timeline. FRLG only exist alongside the original RSE, where Dark/Steel existed, but Fairies/Megas didn't. They can't exist in either the Alpha Reality (ie. RBY and GSC) or the Omega Reality (ie. ORAS and XY), because they would contradict too many details.

Yes, there is a version of Gen 1 that takes place in the Omega Reality, but it's a game that we haven't seen yet. That's where a new remake would come in.



That's exactly why I want a Yellow remake, too. I'm ready to see a modern Gen 1.

Speaking about alternates if they do bring back Gen I/Gen III style Kanto then we'll see Kanto in all the different alternate world established thus far. I wonder about the mascots...if they do make only Yellow how will they make Pikachu special like how they made Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) special? Allow it to evolve and have Mega Raichu which is Yellow thus still fitting the game's name? Maybe special Pikachu that is the only intermediate evolution that can Mega evolve? Or maybe a Pichu will be the starter instead with it gradually evolving. Perhaps they could make it so that Pikachu learns a special move at Lv. 100 that it can't learn as a Raichu to make people keep it as a Pikachu longer. Personally I wouldn't mind them acknowlodging Pikachu's pre evolution and evolution. At least have Pichu...

Btw the reason I put DP remakes first is because of the thus far patter/coincidence of the games getting remade every 2 extra years added to the time of the remakes prior with their originals like FrLg had 8 between theirs, and HgSs had 10, and OrAs had 12. So it stands to reason that DP may be 14 (it can't be 8 as this is their 8th, and it very likely won't be 10 as 2016 will be that and we'll likely get Gen VII or Z by then) so 2020 seems like a reasonable time. It's really hard to place another Kanto remake into a time where it'll make sense to have it take place without something else coming before it.

windsagesety December 20th, 2014 1:13 PM

With how outdated FR/LG are in terms of mechanics (lacking many things such as the Physical/Special split, Fairy Types, a Day/Night cycle, etc...), I think a game returning to Kanto is inevitable. That being said, I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'd want a re-remake or a new game completely that takes place in the Kanto region X amount of years before/after the events of RBY/FRLG.

I think we can all admit that, regardless of how much we liked the Kanto games, that Kanto is pretty lacking as a region when compared to some of the newer ones. And even by Pokemon standards, the plot isn't that good. Obviously, most of the problems with Kanto when compared to other regions come from the fact that it was the first ever region and Game Freak were most likely limited in what they could do by the Gameboy's limitations, but regardless of that, Game Freak will have to make some large changes to Kanto, the plot, and the Pokemon distribution in order to prevent the hypothetical remakes from seeming boring to newer fans of the series to the point where it'll seem like a different game entirely. For this reason I feel that, instead of giving us RBY remakes, they should make a new game that takes place in the Kanto region a certain amount of years after the events of RBY (or have it take place at the same time as the originals but in a different timeline like ORAS).

I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed Gen 2 / Gen 4 Kanto and (kinda) liked B2/W2 Unova; being able to see how the region had changed was something that I found really interesting and to this day I hope that Game Freak will do something similar with another region. The one complaint that I did have about this though was that after a certain point, the region just felt the same as it was in the previous game due to a rather small time difference (only a few years). So I feel like a sequel/alternate timeline game taking place in Kanto definitely has potential. Hopefully if such games are made, Game Freak does make Kanto more interesting (perhaps the routes near Fuchsia City could be more like the southern part of Sinnoh's route 212, the routes near Lavender Town could have a darker tileset with dead trees or something, the Sevii Islands could have more content in general) as well as add in more postgame content since the Sevii Islands weren't really that great imo.

I'd be fine with a remake (perhaps a remake of Yellow instead of one of R/B/FR/LG?) or a new game taking place in Kanto, but I'd honestly prefer the latter.

Captain Oshawott December 20th, 2014 1:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8539487)
The entire first Generation, in general, is old now. Did you know when FRLG came out? 2004. That's 10 years ago. There are many fans who were in diapers or weren't even born yet when those games were released.

And, they were made for an obsolete handheld with obsolete graphics and mechanics. Hard to believe it, but FRLG didn't even have things like a physical/special split or a real time clock, let alone Fairies and Megas. Do people really expect newer fans who want to experience the first Generation to go hunt down a DS Lite and deal with graphics and mechanics far older than they're used to? Sure, emulators exist, but they're not entirely legal, and they don't have any connectivity with the newer games, so they can't be a solution.

And, then, there's the timeline. FRLG don't even take place on the same timeline as the newest games anymore, and just as Paramount isn't rushing to make another spinoff of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Game Freak isn't rushing to continue the storyline of Beta Reality Prime. You can't make a sequel of something that doesn't exist, and as far as GF is concerned, Generation 1 doesn't.

A new remake is the only way to go at this point, and a 20th Anniversary Yellow remake (as you suggested) would be the perfect way to do it. Anime references or not, Yellow is more canon than the other two (in regards to GSC), and it *is* a better, more complete game--all three starters, better Gym teams, game versions of the TRio (Who would be a double battle in a remake), following Pikachu (who would have the Light Ball in a remake), etc. Bring it on!

My point exactly! At least someone else gets it, the last few people I had this discussion with crossed their arms, puffed their cheeks out, and had a tantrum. They didn't even offer a proper argument, they just said we don't need another Kanto remake, because "Kanto was boring". Then went on to say Diamond/Pearl/Platinum need a 3DS remake.

Hello? D/P/PT are all current gen. Granted they aren't in 3D, but neither is HG/SS! FR/LG, like you said, are the only Pokemon games that aren't current. So thank you for actually agreeing with me, and giving me a decent discussion on the topic :D .

BettyNewbie December 20th, 2014 5:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540411)
I wonder about the mascots...if they do make only Yellow how will they make Pikachu special like how they made Groudon and Kyogre (and Rayquaza) special? Allow it to evolve and have Mega Raichu which is Yellow thus still fitting the game's name? Maybe special Pikachu that is the only intermediate evolution that can Mega evolve? Or maybe a Pichu will be the starter instead with it gradually evolving. Perhaps they could make it so that Pikachu learns a special move at Lv. 100 that it can't learn as a Raichu to make people keep it as a Pikachu longer. Personally I wouldn't mind them acknowlodging Pikachu's pre evolution and evolution. At least have Pichu...

I wouldn't want to start with a Pichu; it's stats are terrible, even by Baby standards. Imagine just how much more of a nightmare Brock would be.

And, I also don't want Pikachu to get a Mega Evolution. It already obsoletes Raichu enough with the Light Ball. Instead, let Raichu have the Mega (either Electric/Fairy or Electric/Fighting).

Here are some ways Pikachu could stand out:

- Guaranteed Light Ball
- Learns Volt Tackle at L50 (instead of Thunder)
- Can learn Surf and Fly straight from the HMs
- Will always follow you (like in the originals)

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540411)
Btw the reason I put DP remakes first is because of the thus far patter/coincidence of the games getting remade every 2 extra years added to the time of the remakes prior with their originals like FrLg had 8 between theirs, and HgSs had 10, and OrAs had 12. So it stands to reason that DP may be 14 (it can't be 8 as this is their 8th, and it very likely won't be 10 as 2016 will be that and we'll likely get Gen VII or Z by then) so 2020 seems like a reasonable time. It's really hard to place another Kanto remake into a time where it'll make sense to have it take place without something else coming before it.

But, FRLG are OLDER than Diamond and Pearl! They're the last Generation to not be on a modern handheld, so it wouldn't be fair to skip them over for a Gen that is on one. People who want to replay Gen 4 can just find a copy of Platinum and stick it into their 3DS. Those who want to replay Gen 1 aren't so lucky.

Based on the pattern you pointed out, the Gen 1 remakes would come out in 2018, which happens to be the 20th anniversary of Yellow's release in Japan (9/12/1998) and Red & Blue's release in North America (9/28/1998). That would be a good time to do it.

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Originally Posted by The Sciz (Post 8540506)
With how outdated FR/LG are in terms of mechanics (lacking many things such as the Physical/Special split, Fairy Types, a Day/Night cycle, etc...), I think a game returning to Kanto is inevitable. That being said, I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'd want a re-remake or a new game completely that takes place in the Kanto region X amount of years before/after the events of RBY/FRLG.

I think we can all admit that, regardless of how much we liked the Kanto games, that Kanto is pretty lacking as a region when compared to some of the newer ones. And even by Pokemon standards, the plot isn't that good. Obviously, most of the problems with Kanto when compared to other regions come from the fact that it was the first ever region and Game Freak were most likely limited in what they could do by the Gameboy's limitations, but regardless of that, Game Freak will have to make some large changes to Kanto, the plot, and the Pokemon distribution in order to prevent the hypothetical remakes from seeming boring to newer fans of the series to the point where it'll seem like a different game entirely. For this reason I feel that, instead of giving us RBY remakes, they should make a new game that takes place in the Kanto region a certain amount of years after the events of RBY (or have it take place at the same time as the originals but in a different timeline like ORAS).

I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed Gen 2 / Gen 4 Kanto and (kinda) liked B2/W2 Unova; being able to see how the region had changed was something that I found really interesting and to this day I hope that Game Freak will do something similar with another region. The one complaint that I did have about this though was that after a certain point, the region just felt the same as it was in the previous game due to a rather small time difference (only a few years). So I feel like a sequel/alternate timeline game taking place in Kanto definitely has potential. Hopefully if such games are made, Game Freak does make Kanto more interesting (perhaps the routes near Fuchsia City could be more like the southern part of Sinnoh's route 212, the routes near Lavender Town could have a darker tileset with dead trees or something, the Sevii Islands could have more content in general) as well as add in more postgame content since the Sevii Islands weren't really that great imo.

I'd be fine with a remake (perhaps a remake of Yellow instead of one of R/B/FR/LG?) or a new game taking place in Kanto, but I'd honestly prefer the latter.

As I've said before, a problem with a sequel is that there isn't anything for it to be a sequel to. Neither RBY or FRLG exist on the current timeline, and GF isn't going to create any more games for a dead timeline. You need to have a BW before you can have a B2W2.

There's nothing stopping them from deepening the storyline and making Kanto more interesting in a remake. Look at what HGSS and ORAS did for their respective games. A remake would be part of a new timeline and on a new handheld, so they wouldn't (and shouldn't) be obligated to make an exact clone of the originals.

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Originally Posted by Captain Oshawott (Post 8540547)
My point exactly! At least someone else gets it, the last few people I had this discussion with crossed their arms, puffed their cheeks out, and had a tantrum. They didn't even offer a proper argument, they just said we don't need another Kanto remake, because "Kanto was boring". Then went on to say Diamond/Pearl/Platinum need a 3DS remake.

Hello? D/P/PT are all current gen. Granted they aren't in 3D, but neither is HG/SS! FR/LG, like you said, are the only Pokemon games that aren't current. So thank you for actually agreeing with me, and giving me a decent discussion on the topic :D .

Thank you! FRLG may be remakes, themselves, but they are OLD games that were made for a completely obsolete handheld. Why should Gen 1 be left to languish in the GBA era?

If you don't like Kanto, well, nobody would be forcing you to buy the game. I can't stand Hoenn, myself, but that didn't mean that Gen 3 wasn't in need of remakes. My personal preferences on whether or not a Generation "sucks" don't mean squat.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 6:06 PM

Well Gen 3 also includes FrLg (and Emerald), just saying. While Kanto is next to Unova as my least favorite regions (with Hoenn as my fav) I would like to see what they do with it's story line after seeing what they did with RS.

Btw saying FrLg were made for an obsolete console makes it sound like the GBA was already obsolete when the games themselves came out...

2018 won't be a bad time actually. I guess they could start Gen VII on 2016, have the third version/sequels on 2017 or 2019, have Yellow on 2018, have a break and have DP remakes. Or maybe Yellow will be like FrLg were to Emerald in Japan, those three were released in 2004 there. Maybe they could be release a couple of months after the start of Gen VIII which maybe 2018 (btw I just figured how you got this from my pattern...2004 plus 14. Then DP remakes by 2022? and HgSs remakes by 2028?), and have a third version in 2019, and by 2020 DP remakes. Of course if they do that then next will come HgSs remakes as they will eventually have as much issues as the main Kanto games do now...and then we Hoenn fans will want Delta Emerald (I will be way too old though at this rate)...and so on...

You know if they go ahead and remake Yellow they should throw in Johto and Hoenn...at least Johto to push keep the tide of another HgSs away for the time being. Since the Yellow was based on the anime they could take cues and add anime stuff to Johto. Essential a Yellow remake will become a tribute to the Original saga of the anime. Also that'll make Sinnoh the most outdated region design wise (well actually it is already as DPP were before HgSs and those had Kanto in them, and now Hoenn which was the former oldest has been remade).

RedJ December 20th, 2014 7:21 PM

Kanto remakes of some sort will have to happen at some point, especially with the alternate dimension thing they pulled in OR/AS. Still, though, Game Freak seems to have a problem with keeping the remakes far too close to the originals (FR/LG are the exact same but with a new coat of paint and the addition of the Seviii Islands which...weren't all that exciting, they tried with OR/AS but decided against adding certain things like a better Safari Zone and Gym Leader rematches in favor of keeping it close to R/S), so I'd prefer sequels over remakes if the remakes are going to be nothing but the same old same old but with Mega Evolutions and Fairy types. If people really want to experience the original stories that badly, then they could watch Pokemon Origins (which includes Mega Evolution to a small degree, so that covers that).

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
You know if they go ahead and remake Yellow they should throw in Johto and Hoenn...at least Johto to push keep the tide of another HgSs away for the time being. Since the Yellow was based on the anime they could take cues and add anime stuff to Johto. Essential a Yellow remake will become a tribute to the Original saga of the anime. Also that'll make Sinnoh the most outdated region design wise (well actually it is already as DPP were before HgSs and those had Kanto in them, and now Hoenn which was the former oldest has been remade).

I agree with Johto for that same reason, but...why Hoenn? It just got a remake and it was considered a different series anime wise.

BettyNewbie December 20th, 2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
Well Gen 3 also includes FrLg (and Emerald), just saying. While Kanto is next to Unova as my least favorite regions (with Hoenn as my fav) I would like to see what they do with it's story line after seeing what they did with RS.

I group remakes in with the Generation they were remaking, so FRLG = Gen 1, HGSS = Gen 2, ORAS = Gen 3, and so on.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
Btw saying FrLg were made for an obsolete console makes it sound like the GBA was already obsolete when the games themselves came out...

Well, technically, it was on the verge of becoming obsolete as that was the same year the DS was released. Nevertheless, I think we can all agree that the GBA is extremely outdated nowadays. If it wasn't, then ORAS wouldn't have been made.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8540891)
2018 won't be a bad time actually. I guess they could start Gen VII on 2016, have the third version/sequels on 2017 or 2019, have Yellow on 2018, have a break and have DP remakes. Or maybe Yellow will be like FrLg were to Emerald in Japan, those three were released in 2004 there. Maybe they could be release a couple of months after the start of Gen VIII which maybe 2018 (btw I just figured how you got this from my pattern...2004 plus 14. Then DP remakes by 2022? and HgSs remakes by 2028?), and have a third version in 2019, and by 2020 DP remakes. Of course if they do that then next will come HgSs remakes as they will eventually have as much issues as the main Kanto games do now...and then we Hoenn fans will want Delta Emerald (I will be way too old though at this rate)...and so on...

Well, if the "FRLG remake" is actually a Yellow remake, then the "HGSS remake" would probably be a Crystal remake. Based on that pattern, New!Yellow and New!Crystal would be 10 years apart, despite the games taking place three years apart.

Nitpicky or not, but one thing I didn't like about FRLG and HGSS is how much further apart they were from their respective originals. While RBY and GSC were made for the same handheld and had very similar graphics, FRLG and HGSS were made for different handhelds and had very different graphics. This had the (annoying, IMO) effect of making HGSS feel less like sequels than GSC did, especially with the lack of direct connectivity between the remakes (something the originals also had).

So, here's a radical idea--Why not do Yellow and Crystal in the same Gen? Let's treat Gen 2 more like the Gen 1 sequel it was meant to be and have it be the B2W2 to Gen 1's BW. While HGSS isn't anywhere near as outdated as FRLG, it (along with the Unova games) will be as soon as DPP become outdated enough to need remakes, so why not knock out two birds with one stone and ease the remake burden later on? Besides, Yellow and Crystal are both standalone games, and you know how much GF loves to release pairs. Why not do something different and put them together?

Aeroblast December 20th, 2014 10:41 PM

I'm actually sort of hoping for a yellow remake on 3DS instead. Or they could do all 3 but I don't really care otherwise.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2014 11:23 PM

@ Betty

I had a similar idea, but that includes both games in one cartridge. Like how the Kingdom Hearts Hd remakes had two games in one plus a movie.
For the game which could be called Pokemon Thunder Crystal it could have us play through Kanto first then have access to the Johto story line. They could spice up Johto's by giving Ho-oh, Lugia, the Beast trio, and the starters Megas. Also maybe a story where Ho-oh and Lugia become a central focus of the plot, at least to the level Suicune was in Crystal, with Suicune of course having the largest role. At the end when you challenge Red/Leaf! he/she could have the team you defeated the E4 with in the Kanto part (with it being updated with every new Hall of Fame.) If you chose Leaf then Red can appear in another area with his usual team but with a Mega of the starter nor picked. Also access to the PWT post game either where the old man is bulding something (yay a world where he actually completes it!) It'll be quite large but the Kanto region model can be reused except for some areas between the two so only Johto and perhaps the Sevii islands will be extra but those are small. I think the New 3DS may be able to handle such a game. Or maybe have it be two cartridges but packed together (initially) as a special for the 20th or 25th anniversary which will be fitting to include both as the series was meant to end with Johto.

Now for some things from ORAS to back up eventual Kanto remakes being likely. Someone mentions that a place in Hoenn (Irc it was in Lilycove) reminds him of his hometown. Meanwhile another mentions he hopes Lissia would go visit his home region of Kanto.

Bounsweet December 21st, 2014 12:27 AM

I think everyone would like to see each region (especially their favorite region) on the newest console or handheld, but the next remakes we'll be getting will be Diamond and Pearl.

Truthfully, I would SOOO love to see a Colosseum/XD remake/sequel on the Wii U. I feel like it would really give a little 'umph' to the Gen III nostalgia, since Colosseum was the first story-driven console Pokémon game that we got and it was released sort of alongside Ruby and Sapphire.

bobandbill December 21st, 2014 3:43 AM

I still feel that if a new game in Kanto comes about, I'd like to have a new adventure in it. Maybe even travel to Johto postgame and reverse what GSC/HGSS did. But I don't feel that any Kanto-focused game it will happen this generation. We'll just have to wait and see on that front. (Besides, a 25 year anniversary would be more fitting imo than 20).

And there's potential for that too, given as mentioned above they'd have to throw in a new typing and mega evolutions now. If it's a remake, then it'd have to have some sort of differences given the ORAS Delta Episode thing (which really places all other games separate from ORAS and XY now). You could also make it a sequel of a ORAS/XY-version RBY by having Professor Blue (he's mentioned in XY) be the one who got back from Kalos and inform you about Mega Evolution.
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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie
I wouldn't want to start with a Pichu; it's stats are terrible, even by Baby standards. Imagine just how much more of a nightmare Brock would be.

And, I also don't want Pikachu to get a Mega Evolution. It already obsoletes Raichu enough with the Light Ball. Instead, let Raichu have the Mega (either Electric/Fairy or Electric/Fighting).

Here are some ways Pikachu could stand out:

- Guaranteed Light Ball
- Learns Volt Tackle at L50 (instead of Thunder)
- Can learn Surf and Fly straight from the HMs
- Will always follow you (like in the originals)

I agree with that, and Pikachu already has enough attention as it is with the likes of Contest ones and the event Pichus too. Not sure I agree with the ways it stands out besides maybe the Light Ball being given to you (ala mega stones being given to you in the sixth gen games). Volt Tackle is a special move that I feel should remain an egg move, and likewise the Fly and Surf ones should remain unique to those events rather than be possible for everyone (otherwise having one that can surf or fly is no longer special, much like how having a shiny Gyarados isn't special now). As for following you... I'd be fine with that if anything else could do that too like with HGSS, haha.
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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire
Now for some things from ORAS to back up eventual Kanto remakes being likely. Someone mentions that a place in Hoenn (Irc it was in Lilycove) reminds him of his hometown. Meanwhile another mentions he hopes Lissia would go visit his home region of Kanto.

Wasn't that first NPC you mention also in the original RSE games?
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Originally Posted by Mochi
Truthfully, I would SOOO love to see a Colosseum/XD remake/sequel on the Wii U. I feel like it would really give a little 'umph' to the Gen III nostalgia, since Colosseum was the first story-driven console Pokémon game that we got and it was released sort of alongside Ruby and Sapphire.

Yes please!

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541230)
@ Betty

I had a similar idea, but that includes both games in one cartridge. Like how the Kingdom Hearts Hd remakes had two games in one plus a movie.
For the game which could be called Pokemon Thunder Crystal it could have us play through Kanto first then have access to the Johto story line. They could spice up Johto's by giving Ho-oh, Lugia, the Beast trio, and the starters Megas. Also maybe a story where Ho-oh and Lugia become a central focus of the plot, at least to the level Suicune was in Crystal, with Suicune of course having the largest role. At the end when you challenge Red/Leaf! he/she could have the team you defeated the E4 with in the Kanto part (with it being updated with every new Hall of Fame.) If you chose Leaf then Red can appear in another area with his usual team but with a Mega of the starter nor picked. Also access to the PWT post game either where the old man is bulding something (yay a world where he actually completes it!) It'll be quite large but the Kanto region model can be reused except for some areas between the two so only Johto and perhaps the Sevii islands will be extra but those are small. I think the New 3DS may be able to handle such a game. Or maybe have it be two cartridges but packed together (initially) as a special for the 20th or 25th anniversary which will be fitting to include both as the series was meant to end with Johto.

Well, I wouldn't bundle New!Yellow and New!Crystal together as part of the same game (which would be too much), but releasing them as a pair of games could work. Since Gen 2 is intended to be a direct sequel to Gen 1, I just feel that the two should be released closer together.

Otherwise, your ideas are good.

(I should also note that they could do something similar with the Unova games when they come up for remakes, like a "Grey"/"Grey 2" pair. This simplifies the remake schedule into Gen 1/Gen 2 (2018), Gen 4 (2022), and Gen 5 (2028).)

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8541352)
I still feel that if a new game in Kanto comes about, I'd like to have a new adventure in it. Maybe even travel to Johto postgame and reverse what GSC/HGSS did. But I don't feel that any Kanto-focused game it will happen this generation. We'll just have to wait and see on that front. (Besides, a 25 year anniversary would be more fitting imo than 20).

But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8541352)
Not sure I agree with the ways it stands out besides maybe the Light Ball being given to you (ala mega stones being given to you in the sixth gen games). Volt Tackle is a special move that I feel should remain an egg move, and likewise the Fly and Surf ones should remain unique to those events rather than be possible for everyone (otherwise having one that can surf or fly is no longer special, much like how having a shiny Gyarados isn't special now).

Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)

LusoTrainer December 21st, 2014 8:34 AM

Yellow was a mere anime tie-in, not a proper regular version like Red/Green (Blue being the special version of that generation).

Pinkie-Dawn December 21st, 2014 10:28 AM

I would be all for another Kanto remake if they'll do the exact following:


- Expand the Pokedex to 190 as it was originally intended, which includes the cross-gen evos of Kanto's Pokémon.
- Revamp the roster lineup of the gym leaders and Elite Four members as a result of the expanded dex, so duplicates from the same line and Pokémon not associated with their type specialty wouldn't be much of an issue.

Wicked3DS December 21st, 2014 11:34 AM

I found the covers for the remakes:


OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541577)
Well, I wouldn't bundle New!Yellow and New!Crystal together as part of the same game (which would be too much), but releasing them as a pair of games could work. Since Gen 2 is intended to be a direct sequel to Gen 1, I just feel that the two should be released closer together.

Otherwise, your ideas are good.

(I should also note that they could do something similar with the Unova games when they come up for remakes, like a "Grey"/"Grey 2" pair. This simplifies the remake schedule into Gen 1/Gen 2 (2018), Gen 4 (2022), and Gen 5 (2028).)



But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.



Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)

Yeah, I originally thought up of the idea for the joint release for the two BW games (I also hope they'll be called Grey), at least a fused Black and a fused White would be good.

I wouldn't mind an expanded Kanto dex, it's the only one that wasn't expanded in it's remakes. They could give Giovanni Rhyperior, make Mega Nidoking, Steelix, Nidoqueen, Dugtrio (or maybe replace it with Kangaskhan), and maybe Persian if it is a Yellow remake, if not then I guess leave it at 5 (btw what was up with them giving him another Rhyhorn in FrLg when he had a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in the original RGB).

I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

RedJ December 21st, 2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

Maybe have the building be abandoned, but still serve as the entrance to Team Rocket's base? Or they could just replace the games with Voltorb Flip or some equivalent.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 8541796)
Maybe have the building be abandoned, but still serve as the entrance to Team Rocket's base? Or they could just replace the games with Voltorb Flip or some equivalent.

Or maybe a Restraunt like the Mauville one. Speaking of Mauville I'll like to see Saffron become really big and become like Tokyo which it is based off of. It should get a bunch of new sites such as Tokyo Tower (which was based off of the Eiffle tower so they could use Prism Tower's design for it.) Maybe make it the gym.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I wouldn't mind an expanded Kanto dex, it's the only one that wasn't expanded in it's remakes. They could give Giovanni Rhyperior, make Mega Nidoking, Steelix, Nidoqueen, Dugtrio (or maybe replace it with Kangaskhan), and maybe Persian if it is a Yellow remake, if not then I guess leave it at 5 (btw what was up with them giving him another Rhyhorn in FrLg when he had a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in the original RGB).

My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity)

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541780)
I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that.

The Game Corner would be tricky. If push comes to shove, they could just stick Voltorb Flip in there like they did in HGSS, but I'd like to see something a little more creative. Like, how about a video game arcade? I've always wanted to see something like that in the Pokémon games, and this would be a good opportunity to put one in.

For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Celadon completely redesigned like Mauville was in ORAS. The newer handhelds are capable of so much more than the GB/C and GBA, so I'd like them to take advantage of that.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541852)
My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity)

The Game Corner would be tricky. If push comes to shove, they could just stick Voltorb Flip in there like they did in HGSS, but I'd like to see something a little more creative. Like, how about a video game arcade? I've always wanted to see something like that in the Pokémon games, and this would be a good opportunity to put one in.

For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Celadon completely redesigned like Mauville was in ORAS. The newer handhelds are capable of so much more than the GB/C and GBA, so I'd like them to take advantage of that.

No Gen V or Gen VI additions?

I would love a game arcade. I wanted them to do that for the Mauville Game Corner but alas they did not.

I wouldn't mind Celadon being redesigned but I'll also like to see Saffron City be turned into a large Lumiose like Metropolis or larger so that it'll actually look more like the Tokyo it's based off of.

Pinkie-Dawn December 21st, 2014 2:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541852)
My ideal Gen 1 remake would include all of the first 251 Pokémon, all of their pre/evolutions from Gens 3/4/6, and the following 3rd and 4th Gen Pokémon (for type diversity purposes):

- Poochyena/Mightyena
- Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
- Sableye
- Feebas/Milotic (not a rare type, but they're counterparts to Magikarp/Gyarados)
- Carvanha/Sharpedo
- Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
- Cacnea/Cacturne
- Mawile
- Swablu/Altaria
- Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
- Absol
- Shuppet/Banette
- Aron/Lairon/Aggron
- Drifloon/Drifblim
- Stunky/Skuntank
- Bronzor/Bronzong
- Spiritomb
- Riolu/Lucario (this one would probably be a must just because of its popularity



The problem with making an ideal dex is that the region in question must have certain areas where it makes sense to find these Pokémon. For example, Kanto lacks a desert area, so Pokémon such as the Trapinch line and Cacnea line won't be able to appear in the new dex. It's a key detail I've noticed when looking at each region and their dex.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541869)
No Gen V or Gen VI additions?

Those would be postgame. As "foreign" as the Gen 3-4 Pokémon are, the Gen 5 and 6 ones are even more so, IMO.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8541869)
I wouldn't mind Celadon being redesigned but I'll also like to see Saffron City be turned into a large Lumiose like Metropolis or larger so that it'll actually look more like the Tokyo it's based off of.

I'd like to see all of Kanto redesigned, to be frank. The 3DS can do a lot more than a GB/C, GBA, and even, DS can do, so I'd like to see it (as well as Johto and Sevii) fleshed out a lot more, visually. Pallet Town, for example, could look more like its anime counterpart.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8541976)
The problem with making an ideal dex is that the region in question must have certain areas where it makes sense to find these Pokémon. For example, Kanto lacks a desert area, so Pokémon such as the Trapinch line and Cacnea line won't be able to appear in the new dex. It's a key detail I've noticed when looking at each region and their dex.

You can always put them in the Safari Zone (which could be redesigned to have a special "desert" area).

bobandbill December 21st, 2014 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 8541577)
But, again, what would it be a sequel to? Neither FRLG or HGSS exist on the current timeline.

Maybe not so much a direct sequel but more just a story set after the general events of TR in Kanto and Johto in the games already out (as none of those games would now be in the same universe as one with mega evolutions which won't just get removed now, they could always pretend there was a version of those events in the world of mega evolutions).
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Volt Tackle would be an allusion to Red's and Ash's starter Pikachus (which know the move, despite having not been bred), and Surf would be for Pikachu's Beach. (Besides, it's not like this would be the first time people were able to get a Surfing Pikachu without a special limited time event.)
Not sold on that. While it would be an allusion, they haven't yet made it freely available without breeding for it so I'd be surprised if that changed in any future games, nor have they used the anime elements since Yellow to that extent. Most that has happened are event Pokemon given out in Japan reflecting Pokemon from the anime or movies. (That and I'd prefer Thunder on my Pikachu, and wouldn't want Volt Tackle to just replace it. =p Each to their own though.)

As for your Surfing Pikachu example, I'd argue that it's still not the same level as making all Pikachu - or even just your starter one - able to learn Surf or Fly via HM. In that case, you had to buy a spinoff title, and complete challenges in it to boot. That's rather different levels of availability for the move imo.

BettyNewbie December 21st, 2014 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
Maybe not so much a direct sequel but more just a story set after the general events of TR in Kanto and Johto in the games already out (as none of those games would now be in the same universe as one with mega evolutions which won't just get removed now, they could always pretend there was a version of those events in the world of mega evolutions).

So, a brand new game with a brand new cast of characters that doesn't reference anything from Gen 1 or Gen 2 that just happens to be set in Kanto and Johto? ...Yeah, no thanks. If I wanted to play a brand new game, I'd just go get XY.

And, no, you can't pretend there's Omega Reality versions of Gens 1 and 2, because those games don't exist, and you can't make a sequel to something that doesn't exist.

And, yes, Origins is a version of the Gen 1 story that has Megas, but there are several problems with that: A) it's an anime, not a game, B) it's not game canon (however accurate it is), and C) it doesn't cover Gen 2 or even, the Sevii Islands (which deserve to be acknowledged again and fully fleshed out, IMO).

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
Not sold on that. While it would be an allusion, they haven't yet made it freely available without breeding for it so I'd be surprised if that changed in any future games, nor have they used the anime elements since Yellow to that extent. Most that has happened are event Pokemon given out in Japan reflecting Pokemon from the anime or movies. (That and I'd prefer Thunder on my Pikachu, and wouldn't want Volt Tackle to just replace it. =p Each to their own though.)

It wouldn't be the first time that an egg move has become a level-up move (see Crunch on Totodile), and it's not like it would be something that every single Pikachu in every single game would be able to learn--It would be limited to the non-evolving starter Pikachu in New!Yellow.

(And, BTW, Thunder has been a TM in every Generation, so it's not like it would be gone for good. Personally, I prefer Thunderbolt to either; better accuracy and no recoil.)

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 8542076)
As for your Surfing Pikachu example, I'd argue that it's still not the same level as making all Pikachu - or even just your starter one - able to learn Surf or Fly via HM. In that case, you had to buy a spinoff title, and complete challenges in it to boot. That's rather different levels of availability for the move imo.

No, it's not the same, but it's still a HECK of a lot more accessible than a one time only event that's restricted to a few countries and can't be traded over to any other games. (Frankly, I'd like to kill these kinds of events for good, regardless of whether or not they seem "special.")

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 21st, 2014 8:05 PM

That's true, they could simply make RGBCSC/FrLgHgSs into lore, but something about that is unappealing. I wouldn't mind a game that takes place in a region north of Kanto and Johto with access to one or the other later on. I guess they could also not make them connected and have someone travel them from afar. Maybe it could take place before the alternate events of Red/Leaf's adventure. Perhaps it could show a player who knows young Lysander, Cynthia, and Sycamore, Cynthia is said in DPP to have had a dex when she was younger so Red may not have been the first dex holder...


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