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Btw the reason I put DP remakes first is because of the thus far patter/coincidence of the games getting remade every 2 extra years added to the time of the remakes prior with their originals like FrLg had 8 between theirs, and HgSs had 10, and OrAs had 12. So it stands to reason that DP may be 14 (it can't be 8 as this is their 8th, and it very likely won't be 10 as 2016 will be that and we'll likely get Gen VII or Z by then) so 2020 seems like a reasonable time. It's really hard to place another Kanto remake into a time where it'll make sense to have it take place without something else coming before it. |
With how outdated FR/LG are in terms of mechanics (lacking many things such as the Physical/Special split, Fairy Types, a Day/Night cycle, etc...), I think a game returning to Kanto is inevitable. That being said, I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'd want a re-remake or a new game completely that takes place in the Kanto region X amount of years before/after the events of RBY/FRLG.
I think we can all admit that, regardless of how much we liked the Kanto games, that Kanto is pretty lacking as a region when compared to some of the newer ones. And even by Pokemon standards, the plot isn't that good. Obviously, most of the problems with Kanto when compared to other regions come from the fact that it was the first ever region and Game Freak were most likely limited in what they could do by the Gameboy's limitations, but regardless of that, Game Freak will have to make some large changes to Kanto, the plot, and the Pokemon distribution in order to prevent the hypothetical remakes from seeming boring to newer fans of the series to the point where it'll seem like a different game entirely. For this reason I feel that, instead of giving us RBY remakes, they should make a new game that takes place in the Kanto region a certain amount of years after the events of RBY (or have it take place at the same time as the originals but in a different timeline like ORAS). I don't know about you guys, but I really enjoyed Gen 2 / Gen 4 Kanto and (kinda) liked B2/W2 Unova; being able to see how the region had changed was something that I found really interesting and to this day I hope that Game Freak will do something similar with another region. The one complaint that I did have about this though was that after a certain point, the region just felt the same as it was in the previous game due to a rather small time difference (only a few years). So I feel like a sequel/alternate timeline game taking place in Kanto definitely has potential. Hopefully if such games are made, Game Freak does make Kanto more interesting (perhaps the routes near Fuchsia City could be more like the southern part of Sinnoh's route 212, the routes near Lavender Town could have a darker tileset with dead trees or something, the Sevii Islands could have more content in general) as well as add in more postgame content since the Sevii Islands weren't really that great imo. I'd be fine with a remake (perhaps a remake of Yellow instead of one of R/B/FR/LG?) or a new game taking place in Kanto, but I'd honestly prefer the latter. |
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Hello? D/P/PT are all current gen. Granted they aren't in 3D, but neither is HG/SS! FR/LG, like you said, are the only Pokemon games that aren't current. So thank you for actually agreeing with me, and giving me a decent discussion on the topic :D . |
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And, I also don't want Pikachu to get a Mega Evolution. It already obsoletes Raichu enough with the Light Ball. Instead, let Raichu have the Mega (either Electric/Fairy or Electric/Fighting). Here are some ways Pikachu could stand out: - Guaranteed Light Ball - Learns Volt Tackle at L50 (instead of Thunder) - Can learn Surf and Fly straight from the HMs - Will always follow you (like in the originals) Quote:
Based on the pattern you pointed out, the Gen 1 remakes would come out in 2018, which happens to be the 20th anniversary of Yellow's release in Japan (9/12/1998) and Red & Blue's release in North America (9/28/1998). That would be a good time to do it. Quote:
There's nothing stopping them from deepening the storyline and making Kanto more interesting in a remake. Look at what HGSS and ORAS did for their respective games. A remake would be part of a new timeline and on a new handheld, so they wouldn't (and shouldn't) be obligated to make an exact clone of the originals. Quote:
If you don't like Kanto, well, nobody would be forcing you to buy the game. I can't stand Hoenn, myself, but that didn't mean that Gen 3 wasn't in need of remakes. My personal preferences on whether or not a Generation "sucks" don't mean squat. |
Well Gen 3 also includes FrLg (and Emerald), just saying. While Kanto is next to Unova as my least favorite regions (with Hoenn as my fav) I would like to see what they do with it's story line after seeing what they did with RS.
Btw saying FrLg were made for an obsolete console makes it sound like the GBA was already obsolete when the games themselves came out... 2018 won't be a bad time actually. I guess they could start Gen VII on 2016, have the third version/sequels on 2017 or 2019, have Yellow on 2018, have a break and have DP remakes. Or maybe Yellow will be like FrLg were to Emerald in Japan, those three were released in 2004 there. Maybe they could be release a couple of months after the start of Gen VIII which maybe 2018 (btw I just figured how you got this from my pattern...2004 plus 14. Then DP remakes by 2022? and HgSs remakes by 2028?), and have a third version in 2019, and by 2020 DP remakes. Of course if they do that then next will come HgSs remakes as they will eventually have as much issues as the main Kanto games do now...and then we Hoenn fans will want Delta Emerald (I will be way too old though at this rate)...and so on... You know if they go ahead and remake Yellow they should throw in Johto and Hoenn...at least Johto to push keep the tide of another HgSs away for the time being. Since the Yellow was based on the anime they could take cues and add anime stuff to Johto. Essential a Yellow remake will become a tribute to the Original saga of the anime. Also that'll make Sinnoh the most outdated region design wise (well actually it is already as DPP were before HgSs and those had Kanto in them, and now Hoenn which was the former oldest has been remade). |
Kanto remakes of some sort will have to happen at some point, especially with the alternate dimension thing they pulled in OR/AS. Still, though, Game Freak seems to have a problem with keeping the remakes far too close to the originals (FR/LG are the exact same but with a new coat of paint and the addition of the Seviii Islands which...weren't all that exciting, they tried with OR/AS but decided against adding certain things like a better Safari Zone and Gym Leader rematches in favor of keeping it close to R/S), so I'd prefer sequels over remakes if the remakes are going to be nothing but the same old same old but with Mega Evolutions and Fairy types. If people really want to experience the original stories that badly, then they could watch Pokemon Origins (which includes Mega Evolution to a small degree, so that covers that).
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Nitpicky or not, but one thing I didn't like about FRLG and HGSS is how much further apart they were from their respective originals. While RBY and GSC were made for the same handheld and had very similar graphics, FRLG and HGSS were made for different handhelds and had very different graphics. This had the (annoying, IMO) effect of making HGSS feel less like sequels than GSC did, especially with the lack of direct connectivity between the remakes (something the originals also had). So, here's a radical idea--Why not do Yellow and Crystal in the same Gen? Let's treat Gen 2 more like the Gen 1 sequel it was meant to be and have it be the B2W2 to Gen 1's BW. While HGSS isn't anywhere near as outdated as FRLG, it (along with the Unova games) will be as soon as DPP become outdated enough to need remakes, so why not knock out two birds with one stone and ease the remake burden later on? Besides, Yellow and Crystal are both standalone games, and you know how much GF loves to release pairs. Why not do something different and put them together? |
I'm actually sort of hoping for a yellow remake on 3DS instead. Or they could do all 3 but I don't really care otherwise.
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I had a similar idea, but that includes both games in one cartridge. Like how the Kingdom Hearts Hd remakes had two games in one plus a movie. For the game which could be called Pokemon Thunder Crystal it could have us play through Kanto first then have access to the Johto story line. They could spice up Johto's by giving Ho-oh, Lugia, the Beast trio, and the starters Megas. Also maybe a story where Ho-oh and Lugia become a central focus of the plot, at least to the level Suicune was in Crystal, with Suicune of course having the largest role. At the end when you challenge Red/Leaf! he/she could have the team you defeated the E4 with in the Kanto part (with it being updated with every new Hall of Fame.) If you chose Leaf then Red can appear in another area with his usual team but with a Mega of the starter nor picked. Also access to the PWT post game either where the old man is bulding something (yay a world where he actually completes it!) It'll be quite large but the Kanto region model can be reused except for some areas between the two so only Johto and perhaps the Sevii islands will be extra but those are small. I think the New 3DS may be able to handle such a game. Or maybe have it be two cartridges but packed together (initially) as a special for the 20th or 25th anniversary which will be fitting to include both as the series was meant to end with Johto. Now for some things from ORAS to back up eventual Kanto remakes being likely. Someone mentions that a place in Hoenn (Irc it was in Lilycove) reminds him of his hometown. Meanwhile another mentions he hopes Lissia would go visit his home region of Kanto. |
I think everyone would like to see each region (especially their favorite region) on the newest console or handheld, but the next remakes we'll be getting will be Diamond and Pearl.
Truthfully, I would SOOO love to see a Colosseum/XD remake/sequel on the Wii U. I feel like it would really give a little 'umph' to the Gen III nostalgia, since Colosseum was the first story-driven console Pokémon game that we got and it was released sort of alongside Ruby and Sapphire. |
I still feel that if a new game in Kanto comes about, I'd like to have a new adventure in it. Maybe even travel to Johto postgame and reverse what GSC/HGSS did. But I don't feel that any Kanto-focused game it will happen this generation. We'll just have to wait and see on that front. (Besides, a 25 year anniversary would be more fitting imo than 20).
And there's potential for that too, given as mentioned above they'd have to throw in a new typing and mega evolutions now. If it's a remake, then it'd have to have some sort of differences given the ORAS Delta Episode thing (which really places all other games separate from ORAS and XY now). You could also make it a sequel of a ORAS/XY-version RBY by having Professor Blue (he's mentioned in XY) be the one who got back from Kalos and inform you about Mega Evolution. Quote:
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Otherwise, your ideas are good. (I should also note that they could do something similar with the Unova games when they come up for remakes, like a "Grey"/"Grey 2" pair. This simplifies the remake schedule into Gen 1/Gen 2 (2018), Gen 4 (2022), and Gen 5 (2028).) Quote:
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Yellow was a mere anime tie-in, not a proper regular version like Red/Green (Blue being the special version of that generation).
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I would be all for another Kanto remake if they'll do the exact following:
- Expand the Pokedex to 190 as it was originally intended, which includes the cross-gen evos of Kanto's Pokémon. - Revamp the roster lineup of the gym leaders and Elite Four members as a result of the expanded dex, so duplicates from the same line and Pokémon not associated with their type specialty wouldn't be much of an issue. |
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I wouldn't mind an expanded Kanto dex, it's the only one that wasn't expanded in it's remakes. They could give Giovanni Rhyperior, make Mega Nidoking, Steelix, Nidoqueen, Dugtrio (or maybe replace it with Kangaskhan), and maybe Persian if it is a Yellow remake, if not then I guess leave it at 5 (btw what was up with them giving him another Rhyhorn in FrLg when he had a Rhyhorn and a Rhydon in the original RGB). I just realized something important. What will they do with the base behind the game corner? I guess they could make it into a contest hall with Lisia visiting like that person in Hoenn wanted, and then everyone finds out it's run by Team Rocket...no one would suspect that. |
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For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing Celadon completely redesigned like Mauville was in ORAS. The newer handhelds are capable of so much more than the GB/C and GBA, so I'd like them to take advantage of that. |
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I would love a game arcade. I wanted them to do that for the Mauville Game Corner but alas they did not. I wouldn't mind Celadon being redesigned but I'll also like to see Saffron City be turned into a large Lumiose like Metropolis or larger so that it'll actually look more like the Tokyo it's based off of. |
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As for your Surfing Pikachu example, I'd argue that it's still not the same level as making all Pikachu - or even just your starter one - able to learn Surf or Fly via HM. In that case, you had to buy a spinoff title, and complete challenges in it to boot. That's rather different levels of availability for the move imo. |
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And, no, you can't pretend there's Omega Reality versions of Gens 1 and 2, because those games don't exist, and you can't make a sequel to something that doesn't exist. And, yes, Origins is a version of the Gen 1 story that has Megas, but there are several problems with that: A) it's an anime, not a game, B) it's not game canon (however accurate it is), and C) it doesn't cover Gen 2 or even, the Sevii Islands (which deserve to be acknowledged again and fully fleshed out, IMO). Quote:
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That's true, they could simply make RGBCSC/FrLgHgSs into lore, but something about that is unappealing. I wouldn't mind a game that takes place in a region north of Kanto and Johto with access to one or the other later on. I guess they could also not make them connected and have someone travel them from afar. Maybe it could take place before the alternate events of Red/Leaf's adventure. Perhaps it could show a player who knows young Lysander, Cynthia, and Sycamore, Cynthia is said in DPP to have had a dex when she was younger so Red may not have been the first dex holder...
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