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(Sorry, but I just can't stand Cynthia and would like to see *a lot* less of her.) One prequel I wouldn't mind seeing is the "Generation 0" idea that's been floating around online, taking place around 50 (or so) years before Gen 1 and featuring a younger Oak and Agatha as player characters. We could learn more about their past relationship, as well as their relationships with other characters (like Bertha, for example). If you don't want to go that far back, I'd also love a game centered around Lance and Clair training to become Dragon Masters (which would take place about 10 years before Gen 1), as one person attempted to do with a (now cancelled) Gold hack a couple of years ago. I love both of their characters, and I think it would be cool to see how they started off. It would be a very different kind of game. |
I dont buy this wjole they dont exist anymore in the canon stuff. seriously, it is not like they got retconned so far or anything, I am still for a 20 years later Kanto experience, and I think the sevii islands where a poor excuse for sth like the orange archipelago. maybe this time they could do a proper orange islands
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I wouldn't mind seeing Sevii be expanded into a full region with its own gyms and league. There were *a lot* of missed opportunities with those islands. |
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Why did they rush the games so much? We know that GF was working on Emerald at the same time, so it's possible that they didn't want to delay that game any more than they had to (especially with the GBA's successor, the DS, coming out later that year). They may have also been in a rush to win back the many people who scorned Ruby and Sapphire's lack of older Pokémon and connections with the previous two regions. Either way, it had a negative impact on the quality of FRLG as remakes, especially when you compare them to the later HGSS and ORAS, which were clearly made with care and proper planning. It's no wonder that the games have aged so poorly (arguably worse than the original RBY, IMO, since FRLG had the potential to be so much more), and it's yet, another reason to remake Gen 1 again. Quote:
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he he even more wter to complain about for ign xD. I wonder whether they also complained about water in the nds game for zelda?
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Why do FR/LG just cease to exist in the timeline now?
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Even if FRLG weren't Yellow Remakes, I would've liked to see Jessie and James return. Aside from being an easy, convenient way to introduce double battles into Gen 1, they also had a lot of potential for further development. Why didn't they return in Gen 2? Did something happen to them when Archer took over Team Rocket? We could've gotten a little bit of the Grunts' perspective on how their employer treated them (which, I imagine wasn't well), and Jessie and James would've been developed into distinct characters from their anime counterparts. And, what about Mewtwo? Why and how did it destroy Cinnabar Mansion, and why was it in Cerulean Cave? And, most importantly, who created Mewtwo in the first place? Was Team Rocket involved? There was *a lot* more they could've done with this. And, everything about the Sevii Islands. If you're going to go through the trouble of making a brand new region for FRLG, then do exactly that. Why couldn't they have had some gyms? And, I wouldn't have minded seeing them take a page from the anime and introduce a connection between Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres and Lugia. And, then, there's the gameplay-related stuff. There was absolutely NO excuse for getting rid of the internal clock, let alone day/night. Yes, the originals didn't have one, but FRLG were supposed to be 3rd Generation games. They might as well have gotten rid of held items, abilities, and natures. Same goes for berry trees. GSC had already established berry trees as existing in Kanto, so why suddenly get rid of them? Again, FRLG were supposed to be modern remakes, not Red and Blue with 16-bit graphics pasted on. And, the Pokédex. Gen 2 Pokémon are just as much a part of Kanto as the Gen 1 ones, so why restrict us to just the original 150, to the point of not even letting us evolve Golbat? What was so bad about giving us the first 251 (plus Azurill and Wynaut)? At the very least, could we have gotten the 40 Gen 2 Pokémon that were originally planned for Red and Green? While FRLG have their fans, many people (myself included) found them to be very disappointing remakes. There were just way too many missed opportunities with those games, and while it's good that GF seems to have learned their mistakes with HGSS and ORAS, it's a shame to see the beloved 1st Generation stuck with such underwhelming remakes. I think they deserve better than that. |
They should at least had the Gen II evos, at least the evolution by happiness ones like how HgSs had the evolution by move ones. One of the things I love about OrAs apart from returning to Hoenn is that it went all the way and included all the cross generatinal evolutions of the mons in the dex unlike FrLg and HgSs. I hope future remakes do this.
Kanto now has several more cross generational evos now so if they remake it again they should add all those. With them it'll have mons from each Gen minus 3 (as Wabuffet, Marill and Azumarill aren't part of the Kanto dex) and 5. |
I agree with that; as explained above, it'd likely be best if they had included future-generation evolutions within PokéDex (that is, if their pre-evolution forms are a part of the region) in remakes. Although this would make it slightly more difficult when it comes to completing native Dex and whatnot, but not overly.
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Again, things like this are why I truly want to see Gens 1 and 2 remade within the same Generation. It's the only way that GF would truly acknowledge Gen 2 as being a Gen 1 sequel again. The biggest thing that hurt HGSS was that they were designed more as GSC remakes than FRLG sequels, IMO, so they have all sorts of continuity issues with FRLG that GSC didn't with RBY. I would not like to see GF repeat that mistake. |
Well HgSs did anwser somethings brought up only in FrLg like who Giovanni's red haired son is (Silver). It also showed the top two Johto executives leading the Sevii island branch and how they wanted to do things to have Giovanni return, also a mention of the device they would use on the Lake of Rage to evolve Gyarados. Those may be small but to me it made HgSs will like a conclusion to FrLg.
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Giovanni does mention/allure to Red but not by name in HgSs in the Celebi Event.
I know, just saying that the remakes seem to be more distant from the other games compared to the originals (same will happen with DP and HgSs even if Gen I and II were to be remade. Actually a Gen I remake won't be a good parallel of Gen III unless if it get's remade this Gen but without Gen II which should be remade with Gen IV to keep the parallels. Something is bound to break. Actually Gen DP remakes next Gen or in Gen VIII will break the current Hoenn-Kalos timeline...as DP happen before XY but their remakes will have new mons and maybe even new types like maybe Sound, or Wind). |
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RBY and GSC were released 2-3 years apart for the same handheld with similar graphics, while FRLG and HGSS were released 5-6 years apart for different handhelds with (very) different graphics. That, alone, was enough to make HGSS feel less like direct sequels than GSC, and the larger gap of time meant that FRLG weren't as fresh in memory when HGSS were made than RBY were when GSC were made, so there were more inconsistencies. While HGSS, overall, were much better remakes than FRLG and were fine games in their own right, they were clearly made more as GSC remakes than FRLG sequels. (Just look at all of the Yellow callbacks that remained in HGSS, despite FRLG not including anything from Yellow.) |
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So maybe RGBY remakes will come on the 3DS, being treated as the Gen III games FrLg were with Sinnoh remakes in the successor handheld to the 3DS (at least to the marketing level of a new one like with GS for the initial pair). If they do Gen VII on the 3DS they should go with making RGBY remakes then to avoid making Gen VI too long and to avoid making Gen VII too short (game wise as no Gen ever since Gen III has had less than four games...well in Japan only Gen II has had 3, but four games seems like a little by the modern Gen standards established in Gen III and Gen IV (well for those of us who started with them they represent the modern era, and in terms of transfers they sort of do as the Gen III mons transfer hasn't been broken yet like with the original Pokemon games (I,II))) like was the case with Gen V. Also it'll allow for the remakes to be more polished like comparing Platinum to BW or B2W2 (in this case I'm thinking of OrAs hence why I mention Platinum as it was the second Pokemon release of the DS era like OrAs are for the 3DS era). Also they could add in whatever Gen VII may have. If they go with this then I expect the next couple of years to look something like this: Dec 2015 (I say December as OrAs were 13 months after XY and wouldn't mind seeing Z be slightly over a year after OrAs.): Z 2016: Gen VII for the 3DS 2017: FrLg remakes for the 21st anniversary (3x7...Three is the number commonly used for Pokemon games in both terms of games and the mascots, and starters, plus FrLg were Gen III games, with Seven being the number of the Gen (also Sevii islands) also FrLg were the seventh main game release in Japan (1st: RG, 2nd: B, 3rd: Y, 4th: GS, 5th C, 6th: RS (funny enough GS and RS were remade for Gen 4 and Gen 6...too bad Yellow wasn't remade for Gen 3...), 7th: FrLg) can be used to justify the 21st over the 20th? or maybe Yellow remakes instead to make up for RG being remade over Yellow in Gen III xD). Also the 15th anniversary of FrLg. and while they're at it can I have my 7th Generation remake of Emerald? (15th for that one too. Also if they ever decide to do a third version remake making it the following Gen will differentiate it from the pair remakes) 2018: Gen VII's third version/sequels/whatever they want to do. 2019: Gen VIII for new handheld. 2020: Gen VIII third version 2021: DP remakes for the 15th anniversary of the original DP ... |
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As I said earlier, this is how I'd like to see the future remake schedule go: 2018: Yellow/Crystal 2022: Diamond/Pearl 2028: Grey/Grey 2 You wouldn't remake B2W2 10 years after BW, so why do it with Gens 1 and 2? While I know some people would prefer Gen 2 and Johto to be retconned into being more of an isolated entity like Hoenn and Sinnoh, I think it's better to just embrace the fact that Gen 2 is a direct sequel. Plus, they'd need something to pair Yellow with, so why not release it and Crystal as a prequel/sequel pair? It also gives them an excuse to do the same with the Unova games, simplifying that remake by a lot. |
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So even if Red is off doing his own thing while you're playing as the girl, he's not doing these things. But it's kind of a moot point, because in HGSS, every reference to the FRLG hero uses words that don't have a gender. Like instead of "boy" it'll be "kid" and so forth. |
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Actually HgSs were remade like 5 years after FrLg. If it were 10...then we would've just gotten HgSs this year instead of OrAs xD. Remakes tend to be every 5 years thus far so perhaps DP will get theirs by 2019. Though if that happens they could still do YC either before (as the Kanto remakes are older than DP) or after (as Johto's remakes are younger than DP). Actually now that I think about it...Kanto may not reappear for awhile. Kanto seems to be quite disliked by the fanbase or so the vocal people make it seem that way. GF said (in an interview after OrAs came out) that the reason they didn't put the BF after Gen IV as they felt people didn't like it (along with not having enough time). I know it sounds stupid but I fear Kanto may suffer from that. So if Kanto remakes are to happen the fanbase may need to rally the kind of momentum Johto and perhaps to even a greater extent the Hoenn remakes had. Sinnoh doesn't seem to get as much hate whenever future remakes are brought up though, but Kanto does (I read nearly whole forums of people say they would skip it and others who say they are tired of that boring place). However, I also have seen people who do want it, especially after OrAs came out so the momentum may start to build. |
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It didn't start becoming acceptable for teens and twentysomethings to start liking Pokémon until the very late 2000s (when people started rediscovering their old cartridges as part of a larger 90s nostalgia craze), which happened to be around the time HGSS were released. Nowadays, the people who are in that 17-20 age range are those who were 6-9 back in 2003, hence all of the hype for ORAS. That being said, I'd be sad if Kanto truly was as unpopular as you say it is. I mean, none of the other regions would even exist without it. Just because Gen 1's story is kind of underdeveloped doesn't mean that it should be abandoned altogether. :( |
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Also I hate to say it but most of the hate towards Kanto happened during Gen IV as people were tired of Kanto appearing yet again (with HgSs Kanto had appeared in every gen at the time). Though I got tired of Kanto being in every generation it is a very dumb reason to hate it now that I think about it rationally. GSC had Kanto in them so it'll only make sense for HgSs to have them. FrLg were remakes of RG so of course they'll have Hoenn. So there was no avoiding Kanto appearing every gen unless if they removed Kanto from HgSs at the time, but that would've made the games feel like they lost a lot. Speaking of Kanto, thus far Kanto has appeared not just in every universe pre-Gen VI but also has appeared in every device I mentioned earlier except for the device hosting Gen VI of course. If GF plans to keep that up they'll going to have to have Kanto appear in the 3DS. The best thing to do I think is to skip having another round of Kanto remakes in Gen VI and have Gen VII also be in the 3DS (and maybe marketed for the New 3DS but be playable on the 3DS like how GS was for GBC but was playable for GB too) with enhancements for the New 3DS and have the Kanto remakes in that Gen. That way people would get two Gen's off of Kanto and be able to better appreciate it (Kanto as a region had EDPP in between its two most recent appearances but people still found it annoying in HgSs, hopefully two Gens and a pair (with maybe a third version added in) will do the trick). |
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