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Hiatus May 7th, 2014 6:07 PM

Gym Leaders and Elite Four
 
So, guys; what do you wish to see done with gym leaders and members of Elite Four in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire? Want some of them to be replaced? Hoping to see them get new sets of clothing? What kind of Pokémon would you expect them to have on their teams? Also, what TMs would you like them to give when you defeat gym leaders?

antemortem May 7th, 2014 6:09 PM

I'm hoping that Wally is indeed the new Champion. As for the Gym Leader lineups, if it's a sequel/remake I can see them being similar, but:

-Roxanne
-Brawly
-Someone new
-Flannery
-Someone new
-Winona
-Someone new, or perhaps just Tate or just Liza depending on your version, or maybe Steven since he already lives on the island
-Someone new, because I dislike both Juan and Wallace and want them gone

As for the Elite Four... I hope they're tied into the story a bit more because they were nowhere to be seen in the entire game before the League came and that was a bit disappointing. They weren't even in the post-game at all.

blue May 7th, 2014 6:17 PM

I sure hope they keep the original roster, all of Gym leaders and Elite Four members were unique in their own way.

Arc May 7th, 2014 6:20 PM

I want every single one of them with some new clothing. That, or replace some of them. Except for Flannery, let's not replace her, haha.

In terms of battling, I still want Tate and Liza to be a double battle, and I sort of want Winona to be a Sky Battle.

The Elite Four are completely fine, but let's diversify their teams slightly. Phoebe with two Dusclops, and two Banettes is pretty redundant. Glacia with two Sealeo, and two Glalie is also redundant. I'm aware that this was mainly due to restrictions on the Pokedex, but with Omega and Alpha, hopefully the Pokedex will get expanded for more variety in team options.

And, I do not want Wallace as the Champion. Anyone else will do, just not Wallace D:

fenyx4 May 7th, 2014 6:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peitharchia (Post 8236705)
So, guys; what do you wish to see done with gym leaders and members of Elite Four in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire? Want some of them to be replaced? Hoping to see them get new sets of clothing? What kind of Pokémon would you expect them to have on their teams? Also, what TMs would you like them to give when you defeat gym leaders?

Hmm...I'm so used to their original clothing that replacing the clothing of any Gym Leader/Elite Four member could just be unthinkable! I mean, you have Roxanne's lovely schoolgirl outfit to Drake's astounding cape to Steven's classy outfit to Winona's boot things to Juan's dazzling coat to Flannery's sizzling midriff-baring shirt and rocking denim jeans! XD And the Gym Leaders were recently in Pokemon Black 2/White 2's Pokemon World Tournament, so their clothes have been visible a bit more recently...

Pokemon teams should preferably be based on the Emerald updates and derive from Pokemon World Tournament usage. Wattson should use Manectric (I mean, seriously, he doesn't have to walk that far to get one, and it's fitting, being a Hoenn-native Pokemon and all!) while still retaining a Magneton. I hope that post-Generation 3 evolutions (standard ones and Mega Evolutions) get used during rematches, like Phoebe employing a Dusknoir as her signature Pokemon at some point and Sidney using a Mega Absol to trounce foes.

Since Mossdeep City Gym has two layouts, maybe OmegaRuby could have the Ruby/Sapphire variant and AlphaSapphire could have the other (or vice versa)?

TMs given should either remain the same as from Generation 3 if possible, or at the least be of the same type as well as be useful.

I believe all Gym Leaders except for Wallace should remain the same. Juan should be the Gym Leader of Sootopolis Gym while Wallace is available for a match at the Abandoned Ship as a powerful roaming Trainer. It would be nice to see cameos by all of those NPCs that mention Hoenn characters (like Bruno cameoing near Dewford Town, since he's been stated to have trained with Brawly, Dewford Town's Gym Leader). And of course, Steven Stone should be the rightful Hoenn Region Pokemon Champion!

As for rematches, either they could be scheduled (better) within a Hoenn Gym Leader's resident Gym, or we could have some assembly-like Fighting Dojo facility (maybe a Battle Tent?) where all the Hoenn Gym Leaders can be challenged.

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8236715)
As for the Elite Four... I hope they're tied into the story a bit more because they were nowhere to be seen in the entire game before the League came and that was a bit disappointing. They weren't even in the post-game at all.

More Hoenn Elite Four interaction would be nice, aside from phone calls.

If Frontier Brains can be counted here; I'm hoping that they generally remain the same. However, I hope that they receive new Trainer's Eyes/Match Call entries when you meet them, so you can call them and stuff. I'm hoping that the owner of Trainer Hill becomes a Hoenn Pokemon League member and is fleshed out a bit more.
I hope that Frontier Brains can appear in Single and Double Battle modes (if applicable), and I hope that they appear even after repeated challenges (for example, even if you already got one facility's Silver Symbol after 35 wins, every time you have to restart your challenge, you continue to face that Frontier Brain as the 35th Trainer, for them to continue testing you).

antemortem May 7th, 2014 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8236763)
I'm hoping that the owner of Trainer Hill becomes a Hoenn Pokemon League member and is fleshed out a bit more.

The eldest Winstrate boy came to mind. You only see him, or who you believe is supposed to be him, on Victory Road and it's a very quick battle - I believe he only has one Pokemon - so I'd like to see if it's possible that he could become a League member in some sort of fashion.

Pinkie-Dawn May 7th, 2014 6:27 PM

I'm expecting the usual new outfits and new TM moves they'll give out just like the previous two remakes. However, their rosters should be the sole feature on whether or not this remake gets a pass or not. Because of how limited the Hoenn dex was, some of the gym leaders, as well as the Elite Four, had horrendus rosters due to having 2-3 Pokemon from the same line or using a Pokemon who is already an ace Pokemon to another type specialist or key important character. Glacia was the worst example, having two Glalies and two Sealos because there were only 3 Ice lines in the dex with none of the previous gen Ice types included to fix the issue. Unfortunately, the two previous remakes show that GF wants to keep their rosters the way they originally are until post-game, which irritates me, because I want their rosters changed from the get-go, so I can have a better experience at battling type specialists without worrying about them wasting slots for Pokemon I've already mentioned. So sorry, Cat, but I have to disagree with you because of that.

Zeffy May 7th, 2014 6:31 PM

I'd like to see all the GYM leaders remain, to be honest. I quite enjoyed the double battle with Tate and Liza and would also like to see them again (perhaps a wee bit older, wink wink).

If Steven isn't the Hoenn champion I'm going to set fire to everything.

fenyx4 May 7th, 2014 6:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8236770)
The eldest Winstrate boy came to mind. You only see him, or who you believe is supposed to be him, on Victory Road and it's a very quick battle - I believe he only has one Pokemon - so I'd like to see if it's possible that he could become a League member in some sort of fashion.

Oh, yeah, Vito! Although the "Trainer Hill owner" and Vito Winstrate are 2 separate entities in Pokemon Emerald, I wouldn't mind Vito taking up the mantle of an enhanced Trainer Hill facility, or maybe as a Frontier Brain for some new "Battle Tent" area for the Hoenn Battle Frontier.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8236773)
I'm expecting the usual new outfits and new TM moves they'll give out just like the previous two remakes. However, their rosters should be the sole feature on whether or not this remake gets a pass or not. Because of how limited the Hoenn dex was, some of the gym leaders, as well as the Elite Four, had horrendus rosters due to having 2-3 Pokemon from the same line or using a Pokemon who is already an ace Pokemon to another type specialist or key important character. Glacia was the worst example, having two Glalies and two Sealos because there were only 3 Ice lines in the dex with none of the previous gen Ice types included to fix the issue. Unfortunately, the two previous remakes show that GF wants to keep their rosters the way they originally are until post-game, which irritates me, because I want their rosters changed from the get-go, so I can have a better experience at battling type specialists without worrying about them wasting slots for Pokemon I've already mentioned. So sorry, Cat, but I have to disagree with you because of that.

Yeah; I'm hoping one of the Glalie at least gets changed to a Froslass to add some variety (since all of them are female anyways, IIRC). The 2 Sealeo could probably be changed to other Ice or Water/Ice types as well, although they're kind of nostalgic for me, oddly.. XD I don't think I would mind if the roster is left alone until post-game, though, to preserve the integrity of the original Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald teams.

I'm hoping Sidney gets to use both Crawdaunt and Sharpedo in a full 6-member team during a rematch (as Sharpedo got replaced by Crawdaunt in Emerald...).

antemortem May 7th, 2014 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8236786)
Oh, yeah, Vito! Although the "Trainer Hill owner" and Vito Winstrate are 2 separate entities in Pokemon Emerald, I wouldn't mind Vito taking up the mantle of an enhanced Trainer Hill facility, or maybe as a Frontier Brain for some new "Battle Tent" area for the Hoenn Battle Frontier.

Oh, I know! It's just that when you mentioned characters that were kind of left in the dust, Vito Winstrate came to mind, is all. :p I don't remember the Trainer Hill owner at all.. was it the one where if you reached the top, you were given a Macho Brace? Or was that FR/LG? I don't think I ever finished Trainer Hill in RSE if that's the truth, care to enlighten me? o:

Pinkie-Dawn May 7th, 2014 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8236786)
Yeah; I'm hoping one of the Glalie at least gets changed to a Froslass to add some variety (since all of them are female anyways, IIRC). The 2 Sealeo could probably be changed to other Ice or Water/Ice types as well, although they're kind of nostalgic for me, oddly.. XD I don't think I would mind if the roster is left alone until post-game, though, to preserve the integrity of the original Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald teams.

Froslass is Candice's ace Pokemon, replacing Abomasnow, so Glacia can't use her. The only available Ice types not taken by Ice specialists as ace Pokemon are Jynx, Cloyster, Dewgong, Delibird, Glaceon, Abomasnow, Cryogonal, Vanilluxe, and Aurorus.

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I'm hoping Sidney gets to use both Crawdaunt and Sharpedo in a full 6-member team during a rematch (as Sharpedo got replaced by Crawdaunt in Emerald...).
Well Sharpedo is Archie's ace Pokemon, so it made sense that it was replaced by another Dark type.

fenyx4 May 7th, 2014 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8236796)
Oh, I know! It's just that when you mentioned characters that were kind of left in the dust, Vito Winstrate came to mind, is all. :p I don't remember the Trainer Hill owner at all.. was it the one where if you reached the top, you were given a Macho Brace? Or was that FR/LG? I don't think I ever finished Trainer Hill in RSE if that's the truth, care to enlighten me? o:

Ah, I see what you mean! :) LOL; I get Trainer Hill confused with Trainer Tower a lot. XD In Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Victoria Winstrate gives you the Macho Brace... I think the Trainer Tower rooftop owner gives you a few uncommon items... I think the Trainer Hill rooftop owner gave me a Great Ball for completing one of the modes; after that, I think he doesn't give me anything and he just encourages me to improve my time, IIRC. {XD} I would guess that he gives out uncommon items, too. To be honest, I've only finished about 2 of the modes; I was trying to save the other ones for when I can restart my Emerald file, but it would be nice to document what that dude does give the player. XD

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8236808)
Froslass is Candice's ace Pokemon, replacing Abomasnow, so Glacia can't use her. The only available Ice types not taken by Ice specialists as ace Pokemon are Jynx, Cloyster, Dewgong, Delibird, Glaceon, Abomasnow, Cryogonal, Vanilluxe, and Aurorus.

Well Sharpedo is Archie's ace Pokemon, so it made sense that it was replaced by another Dark type.

Ugh...Candice couldn't have just used Abomasnow as her ace? >.< She has an Ice-type (with an unusual type combination) Sinnoh Pokemon right there! Let Glacia use the Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass line! >.> I don't mind if Candice uses a Froslass as a party Pokemon member at all, but she has a perfectly viable Sinnoh Pokemon!

As for Archie, I didn't know that Sharpedo was Archie's ace...when I think of Archie, I always remember how his team barely has any Water-type Pokemon (shameful of Team Aqua's leader!), so I'm surprised that he bothered to use one as his ace. XD Seeing as how Juan's signature Pokemon is Kingdra, whereas both FireRed/LeafGreen Lance and Emerald Drake use one, I don't mind if Sharpedo is shared between Archie and Sidney at this point, seeing as how only one of the two employs Sharpedo as an ace..

PlatinumDude May 7th, 2014 7:00 PM

I actually think that the Hoenn Gym Leader lineup should be kept the same. I mean, FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver kept the original gym leader lineups from the previous games.

antemortem May 7th, 2014 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8236856)
Ah, I see what you mean! :) LOL; I get Trainer Hill confused with Trainer Tower a lot. XD In Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Victoria Winstrate gives you the Macho Brace... I think the Trainer Tower rooftop owner gives you a few uncommon items... I think the Trainer Hill rooftop owner gave me a Great Ball for completing one of the modes; after that, I think he doesn't give me anything and he just encourages me to improve my time, IIRC. {XD} I would guess that he gives out uncommon items, too. To be honest, I've only finished about 2 of the modes; I was trying to save the other ones for when I can restart my Emerald file, but it would be nice to document what that dude does give the player. XD

Oh haha, I guess it doesn't help I'm thinking of the completely wrong place, haha. How do you think he'd be tied into the story more? He seems like a random NPC to me. :P

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8236862)
I actually think that the Hoenn Gym Leader lineup should be kept the same. I mean, FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver kept the original gym leader lineups from the previous games.

True, but if it ends up being a sequel, there could've been a time skip and things can happen over time, ya know~?

fenyx4 May 7th, 2014 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8236884)
Oh haha, I guess it doesn't help I'm thinking of the completely wrong place, haha. How do you think he'd be tied into the story more? He seems like a random NPC to me. :P

I mostly thought that he should be a Frontier Brain and give you a Symbol; the Trainer Hill looks like a fitting battling facility along the lines of everything else in the Battle Frontier. XD Maybe he could time you to do various tasks across Hoenn or randomly become involved in pursuing and stopping Team Magma and Team Aqua..? The only other thing I can think of is that he trains the player in Mega Evolution or something...

Chibi-chan May 7th, 2014 7:27 PM

If Steven is not the Champion, then I will be okay with this.
Why? Because then he can be the endgame boss, as he was in Emerald to an extent, and I can battle against him all I want while I call him on my (hopefully included) Pokegear thing and see if he'd like a rematch anytime soon.

Hopefully, Wallace will also be doing his own thing now, maybe back to protecting the cave at Sootopolis. Then I can call him for rematches too.

I hope the new Pokemon Champ Wally.

Pinkie-Dawn May 7th, 2014 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8236856)
Ugh...Candice couldn't have just used Abomasnow as her ace? >.< She has an Ice-type (with an unusual type combination) Sinnoh Pokemon right there! Let Glacia use the Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass line! >.> I don't mind if Candice uses a Froslass as a party Pokemon member at all, but she has a perfectly viable Sinnoh Pokemon!

Too late, Platinum changed her ace Pokemon to Froslass; now Glacia can't use it. This is a rule that must be followed in order to create type diversity.

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As for Archie, I didn't know that Sharpedo was Archie's ace...when I think of Archie, I always remember how his team barely has any Water-type Pokemon (shameful of Team Aqua's leader!), so I'm surprised that he bothered to use one as his ace. XD Seeing as how Juan's signature Pokemon is Kingdra, whereas both FireRed/LeafGreen Lance and Emerald Drake use one, I don't mind if Sharpedo is shared between Archie and Sidney at this point, seeing as how only one of the two employs Sharpedo as an ace..
I'm fairly certain Archie had at least one Water type on his team, because I could remember Maxie's ace Pokemon being a Camerupt. Both Lance, Juan, and Drake can't use Kingdra, because it's Claire's ace Pokemon. In fact, Dragon has the worst type diversity in the series yet, because only three Dragon types are free from being someone's ace Pokemon: Dragalge, Druddigon, and Flygon.

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8236862)
I actually think that the Hoenn Gym Leader lineup should be kept the same. I mean, FireRed/LeafGreen and HeartGold/SoulSilver kept the original gym leader lineups from the previous games.

Why would you want that? Norman had the worst lineup in the Hoenn for having his team made up of mostly from the Slaking line when there were more Normal types in the Hoenn region available for him to use.

Star-Lord May 7th, 2014 8:04 PM

I want them to keep the original roster - Although if we have new protagonists by chance I wouldn't mind seeing Norman as the champion. That's just something I've liked since I was a little kid though. You couldn't really do it in the original games because of the way it was set up, but if Nintendo takes more creative liberties that's something I would adore.

Also seeing Norman in 3D is good enough for me but hey :P

Aeroblast May 7th, 2014 8:07 PM

I feel that there is no reason to change the current roster of gym leaders. Levels may change a little but not too much.

PlatinumDude May 7th, 2014 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8236973)

Why would you want that? Norman had the worst lineup in the Hoenn for having his team made up of mostly from the Slaking line when there were more Normal types in the Hoenn region available for him to use.

I want that because FR/LG and HG/SS stayed true to the original games by keeping the original Gym Leader lineups.

Also, I wouldn't consider Norman as the worst lineup because:
-two Slaking are incredibly hard to deal with at that point of the game, even with Truant.
-His Pokemon lineup changed in Emerald to have Linoone, Spinda, Vigoroth and Slaking

oshizlgzngahr May 7th, 2014 8:42 PM

I'd like them to keep the original gym leaders besides Wallace/Juan, he's too easy, he uses a freaking Luvdisc. A new champion but have a battle with Steven post-game, like in emerald. Reaching out on a limb here, but I would love for a final boss battle against Red, even though he's not ties into RSE at all, I've always liked battling Red. Oh, and buff up the leaders and league's levels a bit.

Gible May 7th, 2014 8:47 PM

I want Gyms and E4 to be actually difficult. XY was the easiest nonsense ever and E4 didn't even have upgraded Pokemon after you beat them the initial time.

I'm thinking a Mega Evo for each E4 Leader and maybe you can go back and rebattle all the Gyms post-game but the Gym Leaders will have upgraded Pokemon and a Mega Evo as well. I WANT MORE POST-GAME CONTENT.

Also, I REALLY. REALLY. want a partner who's Pokemon grow at the same rate as yours. Then you can't sweep them with a lv90000000 Rayquaza as they attempt to f*** you up with a lv12 Bidoof.

I really do understand that Pokemon is targeted for kids but nowadays, a large majority of the kids in the targeted age group think Pokemon is childish/"gay" and I feel like with a growing complexity to the game, they should look to target young adults who played Pokemon their whole life rather than trying to introduce a game to a new generation of kids.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 7th, 2014 8:48 PM

I will like to see Wallace as gym leader so that Steven may be champ. Or maybe Wallace will be post game champ(?) and we get to rematch Steven at Meteor Falls.

Deokishisu May 7th, 2014 8:51 PM

I'd like some backstory on Phoebe, Drake, Glacia, and Sydney. They weren't even mentioned until you were breaking down the E4's door. Especially Phoebe. With clothes like that, you NEED some explanation.

I want redesigns on all the leaders as well, as I thought their clothes were sort of bland. I also want Marlon to make a cameo somewhere, as he's probably from Hoenn.

Elaitenstile May 7th, 2014 10:03 PM

I think they should change the order of the gyms a bit. Maybe put in Brawly first, Wattson secnd and Norman third. Roxanne could be the forth and Flannery the fifth. After that, there's no more change, except for Wallace/Juan. I really don't want to see those two jokers again.

Because come on. Have you seen the amount of ladies they're hiding away under their gym?

curiousnathan May 7th, 2014 11:31 PM

I want them to keep the current lineup when it comes to the Gym Leaders. But make them a challenge. That's the one thing that lacked severely for me in BW/B2W2 and XY. None of them were a challenge. Gym Leaders are supposed to be very skilled trainers, top trainers in fact. That fact needs to reverberate within me more when I battle them. I want to get thwarted by them time and time again, I want to rage at my 3DS because they got some absurd critical hit or used another Hyper Potion. I want gym battles to be fun.

Likewise with the Elite Four. More so with the Elite Four really, they're the top 4 trainers in the whole region, they should have a team of six with devastatingly powerful attacks and stats. They also should be smarter.

I have BIG expectations of these games, considering how good RSE were and how horrible XY were. I just don't want to get myself too excited over something I think won't happen, haha. d:

And yes to Wally being the new Champion! ;O;

metalhand May 7th, 2014 11:41 PM

I personally really hope to see wally as the new champion, it would be nice to see him grow up so much. Also wallace was the worst champion...

Salzorrah May 8th, 2014 2:26 AM

If Remakes, I'm seeing the same except Sootopolis which could be Wallace on OR and Juan on AS or vice versa and E4 is the same with Steven as Champion

If Sequels or brand new storyline

> Norman [or Brendan (OR) or May (AS)] = Petalburg City
> Roxanne = Rustboro City
> Someone new = Dewford Town
> Wattson = New Mauville City (possible gym relocation)
> Someone new = Fallarbor Town (Lavaridge possibly destroyed by eruption)
> Winona = Fortree City
> Tate & Liza = Mossdeep City
> Brawly = Pacifidlog Town (another gym relocation etc)

and for E4

> Phoebe
> Flannery
> Sidney
> Glacia

and Drake as Champion with Steven as the final trainer like in Emerald.

Pinkie-Dawn May 8th, 2014 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 8237052)
I want that because FR/LG and HG/SS stayed true to the original games by keeping the original Gym Leader lineups.

Also, I wouldn't consider Norman as the worst lineup because:
-two Slaking are incredibly hard to deal with at that point of the game, even with Truant.
-His Pokemon lineup changed in Emerald to have Linoone, Spinda, Vigoroth and Slaking

Still, Norman was using 2 Pokemon from the same family, so Vigoroth could've been replaced by another Normal type. I could care less about the difficulty based on two Slaking, I just want him to use only one for the sake of type diversity. FR/LG and HG/SS staying true to their original games were why those remakes are still inferior to the newer titles in terms of type diversity, and why I fear OR/AS will suffer the same fate, unless GF breaks their tradition of changing their lineup post-game.

Famon May 8th, 2014 5:11 AM

I want Norman to be a E4 member of Hoenn .
I want a new 17 year old handsome champion who dress like a High-school Bad boy and wear an Earphone . (No Pieing)

Liberal Army May 8th, 2014 5:18 AM

It is confirmed OR/AS are remakes, not sequels.

I hope they expand the Pokedex with evolutions introduced in Gen IV. Phoebe can have a Dusknoir and Glacia can have a Froslass. I hope GF includes all of the evolitions, instead of including 3 like in HG/SS.
If Mega Evolutions are added to the game, the E4 can have them. Sydney using Mega Absol, Phoebe Mega Banette, Glacia perhaps new Mega Glalie/Walrein and Drake Mega Altaria. Steven of course Mega Aggron.

And another hope; please add difficulty modes to the game! Just like BW2. The Gym Leaders can have exyra Pokemon, like Brawly using Heracross and Winona using Tropius.

blue May 8th, 2014 5:20 AM

I hope they keep the same roster as exact in the originals, yes even Glacia having two Sealeos and two Glalies. Will be interesting to see what Pokemon the E4 and Gym rematches get, since RSE there have been plenty of new Pokemon and evolution of certain Hoenn Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 8th, 2014 8:56 AM

I wonder if they'll keep the set order or have us pick which one we get to fight. I just hope they handle it better than Gen V and XY have done.

mikey May 8th, 2014 9:05 AM

I would like the Gym Leaders and Elite Four to have updated looks, like clothing and stuff like that. I think it would be awesome. Also, of course I would like to see updated Gym and Elite Four puzzles. Maybe update some roasters a bit too?

In terms of replacements, I don't want to see anyone replaced. The idea of Norman being in the Elite Four is pretty cool though, so maybe Wally can take his place as the Petalburg City Gym Leader? That'd be cool

Wicked3DS May 8th, 2014 9:18 AM

I'd like to see the Elite Four get some more diversity (particularly Phoebe and Glacia, and perhaps Draken a little bit), and I'd like to see Steven as the champion instead of Wallace. Otherwise, they can all stay the same.

Katunei999 May 8th, 2014 9:49 AM

Well, I actually am really fond of ALL the League members. But as for changes, it depends. If it is a sequel from last time, I still want the opportunity to battle my dad. Because quite frankly, that was awesome. Secondly, I would want a brand new champion. I never played Sapphire or Ruby, so it never stuck with me that Steven was the champion. He was just the cool guy that got me a Kecleon and a Steel Wing TM. And while I never hated Wallace, I certainly wasn't fond of him. He made my life more difficult then it had to be with his Milotic, even if I did like his flashy speeches. So, all in all, new champion. Wally as a champion would be AMAZING!

I would love for Tate and Liz to still be a double battle gym. They gave me a lot of trouble, but it's one of my favourite gyms, even now. One thing I do wish for is more info on the Elite Four. I have a preference to Sidney, but that's just because he looked cool to me as a kid, and has a Mightyena. But I would really like to get to know them a bit better this time around; why did Phoebe choose Ghost types, what region did Glacia come from, why is Drake so awesome? Finally, I really wish there would be a dark type gym. Has anyone else noticed that we have NEVER had one? We've had plenty of Dark type Elite Four members (Karen, Sidney and Grimsley), why not a dark type gym?

Hikamaru May 8th, 2014 9:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Wicked3DS (Post 8238244)
I'd like to see the Elite Four get some more diversity (particularly Phoebe and Glacia, and perhaps Draken a little bit), and I'd like to see Steven as the champion instead of Wallace. Otherwise, they can all stay the same.

Yeah I'd like to see them keep Steven like in the original Ruby and Sapphire, probably because he's more of a challenge than Wallace is. Wallace didn't have much diversity with his team and could be easily destroyed by a combination of Electric and Grass moves.

Steven, despite being a Steel specialist didn't really have an all-Steel team which was pretty diverse as expected for a champion. He had only half his team in the originals be Steel-types (Skarmory, Aggron and Metagross) while the other half was Claydol and the Hoenn fossil lines (Armaldo and Cradily).

Firebreathing Ice Cube May 8th, 2014 10:01 AM

I think whoever the champion for Omega Ruby or Alpha Sapphire will have a Mega Evo for their signature Pokemon, just like Diantha and her Gardevoir. So if it's Steven, it would be a Mega Metagross, or if it was Wallace, Mega Milotic.

Or maybe both...? Dunno, I'm pretty ok with the rosters of the Elite 4 though. The rematches with the Gym Leaders and the Pokemon League will undoubtedly have new Pokemon (like Sidney gets Bisharp or something).

Aquacorde May 8th, 2014 1:33 PM

Guys what if Steven&Wallace double champion battle?

Abby May 8th, 2014 2:01 PM

the hoenn elite four!
 
So i was thinking about how recent generations have had a sort of courtyard where you can choose which order to face the elite four in, but 3rd gen had the elite four in a set order. So what do you think will happen?

Also do you expect any roster or even member changes?

Personally i think pheobe will get a dusknoir.
The ice one will get a froslass
( of course assuming we get cross gen evos)
i dont like in emerald how wallace was champiin and the last gym was the same type as his.( like gen 2)


I do like the choose your order thing as well, so i hope they include that.

Jellicent♀ May 8th, 2014 2:02 PM

Roxanne better have her Nosepass.

Roxanne
Brawly
Wattson
Flannery
Norman
Winona
Tate & Liza
Wallace

Sydney
Phoebe
Glacia
Drake
Steven

PokeNav rematches (if they should ever put the Gym Leaders in for it like they did in Emerald)
Roxanne
Brawly
Wattson
Flannery
Norman
Tate & Liza
Juan

E4 rematches (should they change the teams a wee bit and higher levels)
Sydney
Phoebe
Glacia
Drake
Wallace

With Steven taking his place as the extra, ultimate battle in Meteor Falls, again. c:

Timbjerr May 8th, 2014 2:13 PM

it would be neat if all the E4 members mega-evolve their ace pokemon, but seeing as they didn't do that in XY, I'd doubt it would happen. Steven's Metagross definitely needs to mega-evolve though. It only makes sense considering Steven is someone whose passion is looking for and collecting rare stones. He's definitely the kind if guy that would have a metagrosite laying around. XD

Wicked3DS May 8th, 2014 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 8238808)
It only makes sense considering Steven is someone whose passion is looking for and collecting rare stones.

This. That never clicked in my mind until right now, and I think it totally makes it possible for him to have Mega Metagross. That would be awesome.

Apollo May 8th, 2014 6:28 PM

Roxanne was the most interesting gym leader for me, so I'd like them to keep her. I also think the Elite Four should get a bigger role - Glacia was my personal favorite. :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 8th, 2014 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 8238808)
it would be neat if all the E4 members mega-evolve their ace pokemon, but seeing as they didn't do that in XY, I'd doubt it would happen. Steven's Metagross definitely needs to mega-evolve though. It only makes sense considering Steven is someone whose passion is looking for and collecting rare stones. He's definitely the kind if guy that would have a metagrosite laying around. XD

Yeah...and maybe he'll give you a Beldum post game like how Diantha gave us Ralt with Gardevoirite instead of giving it to us mid game.

antemortem May 8th, 2014 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8239283)
Yeah...and maybe he'll give you a Beldum post game like how Diantha gave us Ralt with Gardevoirite instead of giving it to us mid game.

Or a Beldum in the middle of the game with a Metagrosite as a mirror to Korrina giving you Mega Lucario right off the bat, basically.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 8th, 2014 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8239311)
Or a Beldum in the middle of the game with a Metagrosite as a mirror to Korrina giving you Mega Lucario right off the bat, basically.

Oh right it could be like that. Except his Beldum will be less of a game Breaker as we get it after we fight Liza and Tate...

Jellicent♀ May 8th, 2014 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 8238808)
it would be neat if all the E4 members mega-evolve their ace pokemon, but seeing as they didn't do that in XY, I'd doubt it would happen. Steven's Metagross definitely needs to mega-evolve though. It only makes sense considering Steven is someone whose passion is looking for and collecting rare stones. He's definitely the kind if guy that would have a metagrosite laying around. XD

Oh my Gosh, or like, ALL of the Gym Leaders in their rematches (E4 as well) have Pokemon of their type that can Mega Evolve. Sweet babies. Double battle rematches just like last time.

Roxanne - Mega Tyranitar
Brawly - Mega Heracross
Wattson - Mega Manectric
Flannery - Mega Houndoom
Norman - Mega Kangaskhan
Winona - Mega Aerodactyl
Tate & Liza - Mega Medicham & Mega Alakazam
Juan - Mega Blastoise

E4
Sydney - Mega Absol
Phoebe - Mega Gengar
Glacia - Mega Abomasnow
Drake - Mega Garchomp
Wallace - Mega Gyarados

XtinaIsMeLuvinWWE May 8th, 2014 6:52 PM

I want Winona to have a fabulous new outfit (even though I loved her original look), with her taking on the player in a Sky Battle with a shiny Swellow on her team... I don't think that's too much to ask haha xD


Aside from that as it's a remake I hope they stay true to all the Gym Leaders and Elite Four members, in terms of including them all at the very least although I'm wanting to see revamped looks and perhaps a bit more backstory on some of them :)

Bluerang1 May 9th, 2014 8:12 AM

There's the Sootopolis Gym Leader debate but how about the other Gym leades? It's a brand new world so probably a sequel or some years since RSE so we're bound to have new Gym Leaders or a reshuffling of their order. Who do you hope stays? What type of new Gyms would you like to see?

I hope Winona and Tate&Liz stay. I still want a Dark Gym.

Do you think they'll be changes in the Elite 4 and what will these be? Who will be the champion?

I think the Elite 4 up to the Dragon guy will remain the same. Wally will be Champion.

Eevee May 9th, 2014 8:19 AM

I just want them to stay the same. I'm boring, sorry.
I definitely hope that Phoebe stays as one of the Elite Four members. She's my favourite one!

I could see Wally being the champion. That could be a cute storyline moment ^^
But I do hope Steven is the champion. He's awesome.

Poke_Spirit May 9th, 2014 8:22 AM

No, It's already conformed they are full remakes, the the GL will stay the same, but maybe we will get new back story about them and elite four.

fenyx4 May 9th, 2014 2:19 PM

A minor thing, but I'm hoping that the Elite Four (and Champion) rooms/chambers receive proper, cool names like the ones of the Kalos Pokemon League headquarters.. The only one that technically has a name is the one behind the Champion room, inhabited by the Hall of Fame-recording machine (known as the Room of Glory, since that's what that room's corresponding music track is titled as on the Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire English/Japanese soundtrack release).

Rivvon May 9th, 2014 2:23 PM

Since these are remakes, I think it's safe to say the only question on Gym Leaders would be what's going on with Juan (and there's another thread about that).

I actually really liked Tate and Liza...I wish Gyms would do more fun stuff and vary up their battles the way Tate and Liza did (the one real disappointment I have with BW, for example, is that the first Gym isn't a triple battle). So I really hope they aren't changed...unless they're given Male and Female Meowstic, and then Lunatone and Solrock on their team. Then I'll be happy.

I don't want the Gym teams to be downgraded, however. No "3 Pokémon-only" teams like in XY. Have them actually rise in difficulty each time. Even give a few of the later Gym leaders some Mega Pokémon!


As for the Elite Four, I can't help but wonder--will they keep them in a set order like the originals, or will we have the freedom to choose our order, like the past 3 sets of games?

Olli May 9th, 2014 2:30 PM

Since they've been confirmed to be remakes, I don't think anything's really gonna change in the main story, since that'd kinda contradict the idea of a remake. But I reckon we're probably gonna see a whole lot of post-game stuff, and depending on what it is, it could mean changes to the Gym Leaders/E4. The champion is the only one I see the possibility of being changed with though. Since it didn't consistently stay the same from R/S to Emerald, it could either be Steven or Wallace, or as some people have suggested, possibly Wally.

And on the topic of Wally, while a bit off-topic, I'd definitely love to see more happen to him. We hardly saw anything to him throughout the entirety of R/S, apart from a few battles, and the ability to have a rematch with him at the end of the Victory Road every once in a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed did expand on his character/his inclusion with the story.

antemortem May 9th, 2014 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 8240545)
There's the Sootopolis Gym Leader debate but how about the other Gym leades? It's a brand new world so probably a sequel or some years since RSE so we're bound to have new Gym Leaders or a reshuffling of their order. Who do you hope stays? What type of new Gyms would you like to see?

I hope Winona and Tate&Liz stay. I still want a Dark Gym.

Do you think they'll be changes in the Elite 4 and what will these be? Who will be the champion?

I think the Elite 4 up to the Dragon guy will remain the same. Wally will be Champion.

I am in doubts there will be a Dark leader unless Sidney receives a demotion

fenyx4 May 9th, 2014 3:12 PM

I'm hoping that we can manually arrange/schedule/select rematches with Gym Leaders (whether in their own Gyms or in a designated gathering facility), as well as selecting Single Battles, Double Battles, Triple Battles, and Rotation Battles (even Inverse Battles and Sky Battles, if possible)... Also, the PokeNav needs to always indicate that the Elite Four and Champion are ready for a rematch (at the very least, Sidney is constantly ready); it just baffled me how they lacked such an icon in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald despite being ready for battle than pretty much all of the other NPC Trainers.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8241210)
As for the Elite Four, I can't help but wonder--will they keep them in a set order like the originals, or will we have the freedom to choose our order, like the past 3 sets of games?

I'm hoping that the "freedom to choose order"/"Elite Four teams are equal in strength" implementation from Generation 5 takes precedence... It makes more sense for the Elite Four to be a group of famed Trainers that are equal in strength (only to fittingly be surpassed by the Pokemon Champion) instead of one of them being weak to 3 other people and the Champion. All of the Elite Four and Champion Pokemon levels need to be majorly buffed, though, with the minimum being what Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen had as a "second wave". Ideally, I'd like it if rematches level them up to a point where the Elite Four have Level 90 Pokemon, while the Champion has Level 100 Pokemon.

In any case, I'll likely be challenging them in the classic "Sidney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake" order enforced by Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, since I've grown so accustomed to it. {:3} I hope that this order gets some sort of nod (like how Unova had statues that suggested a certain "order", IIRC).

PrincessOfArendelle May 9th, 2014 3:16 PM

What I want is a difficult mode. And at the start of the game. I remember having issues with the Hoenn gym but I want to really have them brutal as an option.

And while it doesn't meant changing gym leaders I'd love if they used anime rules like only 3 on 3 and not as many as you have on a gym leader. Seems unfair

pryce10 May 9th, 2014 3:30 PM

They will keep same pokemon for the MAIN part of the game... maybe during rematches (i.e time you get NATIONAL DEX) they would be having a new pokemon or two.
Also what's with people saying they want a new gym leader... I mean GF said it is REMAKE NOT A SEQUAL.
Only change I can see is maybe they have Wallace as final Gym leader in OR and have Steven as champion in OR since OR is all about land while in AS we have Jaun and Wallace as Champion?

nihon96 May 9th, 2014 4:36 PM

I want steven as champion

TheKantoKid May 9th, 2014 10:09 PM

I want to see at least one or two of them replaced. It would be nice if Roxxanne gives Stealth Rock. I think that move should have stayed a TM. As for Elite Four, I really hope their teams are more diverse. Drake was a damn joke in Ruby& Sapphire

Elaitenstile May 9th, 2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8241294)
Ideally, I'd like it if rematches level them up to a point where the Elite Four have Level 90 Pokemon, while the Champion has Level 100 Pokemon.

This is a really good idea, perhaps they could have a third or fourth wave as well after we finish them off twice. It would be challenging as well.

Hikamaru May 11th, 2014 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKantoKid (Post 8241955)
I want to see at least one or two of them replaced. It would be nice if Roxxanne gives Stealth Rock. I think that move should have stayed a TM. As for Elite Four, I really hope their teams are more diverse. Drake was a damn joke in Ruby& Sapphire

Speaking of TMs as Gym prizes, here's a list of what they gave out in the original Ruby and Sapphire for reference.

1st Gym: Rock Tomb
2nd Gym: Bulk Up
3rd Gym: Shock Wave
4th Gym: Overheat
5th Gym: Facade
6th Gym: Aerial Ace
7th Gym: Calm Mind
8th Gym: Water Pulse

Now, only two of those moves in question lost TM status in 5th Gen (Shock Wave got replaced by Sludge Wave, Water Pulse got replaced by Psyshock) so I think the 3rd and 8th Gyms will give out a different move of the same type (Electric and Water in this case) in OR/AS. 3rd Gym's new TM prize I think should be Charge Beam or Volt Switch (although we had previous Electric-type Gyms give out those as well, but then again a few of the Kalos Gyms gave out non-6th Gen moves as TMs. Grant even gave out Rock Tomb as his TM prize as well, just like Roxanne did) while 8th Gym will probably give out Scald (although Unova's 8th Gym in B2/W2 had that same thing).

I've got a feeling the rest will keep their original TM prizes.

PrincessOfArendelle May 11th, 2014 4:55 AM

I would love if each gym leader gets a story arc. Nothing too big but it seems we have been getting that in Gens after 3.

Altius May 11th, 2014 5:31 AM

My guess for TMs in ORAS, if there is more than one, the first one is what I think is most likely:
Roxanne - Rock Tomb
Brawly - Bulk Up/Power Up Punch
Wattson - Volt Switch/Charge Beam
Flannery - Overheat/Flame Charge
Norman - Facade/Retaliate
Winona - Aerial Ace
Tate&Liza - Calm Mind/Psyshock/Trick Room
Juan/Wallace - Scald

Nomine May 11th, 2014 5:46 AM

I would rather have them change all of them aesthetically for nostalgic purposes. Just change up their clothing and teams; remodel the gyms and the Elite Four/Champion rooms.

antemortem May 11th, 2014 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8244639)
My guess for TMs in ORAS, if there is more than one, the first one is what I think is most likely:
Roxanne - Rock Tomb
Brawly - Bulk Up/Power Up Punch
Wattson - Volt Switch/Charge Beam
Flannery - Overheat/Flame Charge
Norman - Facade/Retaliate
Winona - Aerial Ace
Tate&Liza - Calm Mind/Psyshock/Trick Room
Juan/Wallace - Scald

This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

Fairy Tale~ May 11th, 2014 8:07 AM

I'm hoping they keep the original lineup for the E4 And Gym Leaders.

WishCookie May 11th, 2014 8:45 AM

I want them to keep Stewen :P

Pepperton May 11th, 2014 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8244861)
This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

Retaliate Slaking? That's quite the scary thought as well. They're most likely not going to change the types or people of any of the gyms or elite four, because it has been confirmed as a complete remake. However, they may change the clothing or hair styles of some of the leaders, and maybe even give them more involvement in the meddling of Team Magma/Aqua. It would be an interesting twist to have Flannery become an associate of Magma, and Wallace/Juan with Aqua. I could see Norman getting a bigger role, as he is the player's father in the original RSE games, and that was basically left alone for most of the story. There's a lot of potential to beef up the plot lines, but nothing too radical.

Altius May 11th, 2014 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8244861)
This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

I recalled when I fought T&L in the PWT when they nearly destroyed me with trick room, so I can definitely see that as a possibility.

Wanted to add Sky Drop actually, but only Pelipper and Skarmory can learn it.

Power up punch for Brawly could be very devastating as well. It raises Attack and inflicts damage at the same time. Now with the new special/physical split, bulk up may not be as significant as it was in RSE... But for realism (this is the 2nd gym), I think Bulk Up is still the more likely TM.

Elaitenstile May 11th, 2014 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8245422)
Power up punch for Brawly could be very devastating as well. It raises Attack and inflicts damage at the same time. Now with the new special/physical split, bulk up may not be as significant as it was in RSE... But for realism (this is the 2nd gym), I think Bulk Up is still the more likely TM.

Power Up Punch would be devastating for Brawly, considering at lower levels OHKOs are not so common and every Pokémon has decent bulk. By the time his Machop finishes with Combusken, he would be able to OHKO Taillow before Taillow can land in the second Wing Attack.

I totally agree about the Trick Room part, especially since it's a double battle and most of their Pokémon spam Calm Mind, but their original TM Calm Mind was probably the most useful TM in the entire game (basically OHKOd Wallace's entire Champion team), so I'm hoping we get that instead.

Flannery could use Overheat and Flame Charge to her advantage because of the Physical/Special split, because using Overheat wouldn't affect Flame Charge's power if you manage to scrape by with low HP. Wattson should definitely give out Charge Beam because his Manectric and Magneton would be much more deadly if they are equipped with it, a few Charge Beams and Double Teams and then Thunderbolt.

Altius May 11th, 2014 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoenn (Post 8245987)
Power Up Punch would be devastating for Brawly, considering at lower levels OHKOs are not so common and every Pokémon has decent bulk. By the time his Machop finishes with Combusken, he would be able to OHKO Taillow before Taillow can land in the second Wing Attack.

I totally agree about the Trick Room part, especially since it's a double battle and most of their Pokémon spam Calm Mind, but their original TM Calm Mind was probably the most useful TM in the entire game (basically OHKOd Wallace's entire Champion team), so I'm hoping we get that instead.

Flannery could use Overheat and Flame Charge to her advantage because of the Physical/Special split, because using Overheat wouldn't affect Flame Charge's power if you manage to scrape by with low HP. Wattson should definitely give out Charge Beam because his Manectric and Magneton would be much more deadly if they are equipped with it, a few Charge Beams and Double Teams and then Thunderbolt.

I don't think Calm Mind would be as useful (for them) as it were in RSE. Assuming if Tate & Liza used the same Lunatone and Solrock as in RS, Trick Room could be more devastating especially for a double battle.

However, I would see myself use Calm Mind more than Trick Room, definitely.

Volt Switch is more of an annoyance than power, which is actually quite perfect for a 3rd gym. I remembered in BW Elesa's Emolgas were annoying as heck, but not really difficult.

Drake Seawood May 12th, 2014 2:48 AM

Elite Four wasn't that easy at all. I hope some Pokemon fixes on their teams tho.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8246133)
I don't think Calm Mind would be as useful (for them) as it were in RSE. Assuming if Tate & Liza used the same Lunatone and Solrock as in RS, Trick Room could be more devastating especially for a double battle.

In Emerald, they have Claydol and Xatu, too, remember. Claydol also has Calm Mind and I'm sure someone would have Reflect to raise a double barrier against us to spam Calm Mind and KO us. That way I guess Calm Mind is also very useful for them.

Altius May 12th, 2014 2:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoenn (Post 8246308)
In Emerald, they have Claydol and Xatu, too, remember. Claydol also has Calm Mind and I'm sure someone would have Reflect to raise a double barrier against us to spam Calm Mind and KO us. That way I guess Calm Mind is also very useful for them.

I actually cannot imagine this: what if instead of a Xatu, it'll be a Grumpig or Chimecho. One knows reflect + light screen, the other knows trick room. Both with calm mind.

Man, it could be TERRIBLY nasty, and perfect for possibly a rematch.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 3:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8246312)
I actually cannot imagine this: what if instead of a Xatu, it'll be a Grumpig or Chimecho. One knows reflect + light screen, the other knows trick room. Both with calm mind.

Man, it could be TERRIBLY nasty, and perfect for possibly a rematch.

That would be awesome. I'm surprised Game Freak hasn't come up with these kind of ideas because this is a perfect way to make Gym Leaders much stronger. And with Focus Blast/Ice Beam and Shadow Ball they could practically cover every single Pokémon type and even more! In Emerald, they do get Pokémon from all regions for rebattles, so I can just imagine the potential of these two combined with stronger stuff like Reinclus and Sigilyph.

Altius May 12th, 2014 3:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoenn (Post 8246321)
That would be awesome. I'm surprised Game Freak hasn't come up with these kind of ideas because this is a perfect way to make Gym Leaders much stronger. And with Focus Blast/Ice Beam and Shadow Ball they could practically cover every single Pokémon type and even more! In Emerald, they do get Pokémon from all regions for rebattles, so I can just imagine the potential of these two combined with stronger stuff like Reinclus and Sigilyph.

A reinculus with trick room is one hell of a killing machine.

As for the other leaders, I hope they get some changes as well. The last gym could have a Gyarados (WTR/FLY), Tentacruel (WTR/PSN), or even a Kingdra in addition to Milotic and Whiscash. Milotic is the star of course, but other add ons could be great.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 3:52 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8246358)
A reinculus with trick room is one hell of a killing machine.

As for the other leaders, I hope they get some changes as well. The last gym could have a Gyarados (WTR/FLY), Tentacruel (WTR/PSN), or even a Kingdra in addition to Milotic and Whiscash. Milotic is the star of course, but other add ons could be great.

I think strategies like this that are inspired by competitive play are the way to go for the gyms. As Milotic is the star, it could set up a good defence and inflict stuff like Toxic on our Pokémon and do Rain Dance as well. Gyarados and Kingdra could make good use of it, and so can all Pokémon with Swift Swim. Kingdra has this annoying habit of using Double Team and then Dragon Dance to finish off with Hydro Pump or Dragonbreath. Imagine that boosted with rain, and Dragon Pulse instead of Dragonbreath! It would be really hard to just scrape by the gym.

Altius May 12th, 2014 5:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoenn (Post 8246378)
I think strategies like this that are inspired by competitive play are the way to go for the gyms. As Milotic is the star, it could set up a good defence and inflict stuff like Toxic on our Pokémon and do Rain Dance as well. Gyarados and Kingdra could make good use of it, and so can all Pokémon with Swift Swim. Kingdra has this annoying habit of using Double Team and then Dragon Dance to finish off with Hydro Pump or Dragonbreath. Imagine that boosted with rain, and Dragon Pulse instead of Dragonbreath! It would be really hard to just scrape by the gym.

Kingdra could also use smokescreen, which is also pretty annoying.
Milotic with mirror coat. Yum.

Actually, GF could add in some sort of puzzle to reach the Elite Four member. Sidney can have a maze in some sort of dungeon, Phoebe's room can be similar to one in the Ecruteak Gym, Glacia an ice puzzle and Drake... No idea. Haha.

Gyms have puzzles, they could certainly do it with the E4 as well.

blue May 12th, 2014 5:15 AM

Oh yeah, Tate and Liza two additional Pokemon in Emerald. Hope they decide to use their Emerald team, Lunatone and Solrock alone are challenging but it's more fun with more Pokemon ofc.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 5:18 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8246487)
Actually, GF could add in some sort of puzzle to reach the Elite Four member. Sidney can have a maze in some sort of dungeon, Phoebe's room can be similar to one in the Ecruteak Gym, Glacia an ice puzzle and Drake... No idea. Haha.

Gyms have puzzles, they could certainly do it with the E4 as well.

Elite Four puzzles may not be so far-fetched either. They wouldn't probably add trainers to it but Sidney could have this annoying maze where if you step through the wrong path you get locked there and you teleport back to the start. Glacia could obviously have a tedious ice-skate puzzle, Phoebe like you said could have this light-and-dark puzzle, maybe drake could have a fall-down dungeon where you have to fall through the right holes. The Champion, well... he doesn't really need one XD

This may also slow down grinding by rebattling the Elite Four postgame.

Atwilko May 12th, 2014 5:25 AM

i dunno, the only one i'd want to get replaced is the 5th gym but i always found hoenn to have among the hardest of gym's in the series (i always start treecko) so i'd like them to keep it like that.

Rayquaza2016 May 12th, 2014 5:40 AM

Get Glacia a better team and get Steven to be the champion. >:)

Pepperton May 22nd, 2014 3:49 PM

The Elite Four isn't about solving puzzles. Their Pokemon are supposed to be extremely powerful and difficult enough to defeat so as not to merit an extra challenge like a maze. Gyms are still no piece of cake, but I think it's better to keep the best four trainers in the league in simple rooms that display their type specialty.

Salzorrah May 23rd, 2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8263952)
The Elite Four isn't about solving puzzles. Their Pokemon are supposed to be extremely powerful and difficult enough to defeat so as not to merit an extra challenge like a maze. Gyms are still no piece of cake, but I think it's better to keep the best four trainers in the league in simple rooms that display their type specialty.

How about updating the room a little bit, make the room arenas in the air and taking an elevator while progressing further? Maybe add some facades and decorations around the room like they did in XY?

Altius May 23rd, 2014 4:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8263952)
The Elite Four isn't about solving puzzles. Their Pokemon are supposed to be extremely powerful and difficult enough to defeat so as not to merit an extra challenge like a maze. Gyms are still no piece of cake, but I think it's better to keep the best four trainers in the league in simple rooms that display their type specialty.

Honestly, I find that the current Elite Four rooms are just plain boring. That could also be because the recent Elite Fours are just really weak...

I actually struggled with the Hoenn league when I first played Ruby. Let's hope they won't make them easier.

praj.pran May 23rd, 2014 4:51 AM

I think Gym leader and Elite members will be same actually i never played ruby or saphire i start playing pokemon from Black and white but i Hope its Same

Salamence™ May 23rd, 2014 10:08 AM

All the old ones from pokemon ruby and sapphire. And i also think it would be Them. Because in hgss it was the same gym leaders as gs

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 29th, 2014 12:10 PM

They could make Drake more difficult by giving his Shellgon Evolite, as well as the moves protect and Toxic. Shellgon already has good defenses, so evolite will increase them greatly. Protect is to wear us out. Even with the introduction of more protect breaking moves all of them happen to be physical, so it's defense stat will be annoying. We'll have to wait until protect to no longer work to take it down. I guess the Fairy type will make it easier since Shellgon doesn't have the best special defense stat. Though if it keeps Dragon Breath it could paralyze us...and use something like Iron Tail to lower our defenses (and to take care of Fairy types).

Pepperton May 29th, 2014 8:50 PM

They'd probably do that in a Challenge Mode type situation, but not for the regular mode. There's a huge range of skill from people playing Pokemon; complete beginners to seasoned competitive veterans. Fighting Pokemon with held items, set-up move sets, and strategies may be too much for the average gamer to overcome, causing enjoyment to plummet. If they do change the difficulty of the gym leaders and elite four to that extreme, hopefully it's an optional change.

Salzorrah May 29th, 2014 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8264684)
I actually struggled with the Hoenn league when I first played Ruby. Let's hope they won't make them easier.

I actually remember I had to evolve my Torchic just to get past Roxanne haha x3 Good times...

I hope GF wont pull too many punches like they did in XY. It really isnt a challenge anymore tbh.

SuperJanBro June 3rd, 2014 10:46 AM

I kinda want Sydney to be replaced. Tbh, he wasn't that memorable at all. They should try to bring them out more... But that's just me.

Pepperton June 3rd, 2014 12:08 PM

If one of them must be replaced, I would choose Glacia. Looks like a generic middle aged woman with a simple team of Ice type Pokemon. Her design is forgettable and there's nothing special about the concept behind her. If anyone, she deserves the boot. d: I loved Sydney's hairdo, and at least he actually looked like a Dark type specialist.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 3rd, 2014 12:47 PM

I think Glacia was a pun take on the Ice Princess figure. Instead of being actually cold in personality she used Ice Pokemon...haha...


I hope that they add backstory to the gym leaders. Also I want them to appear outside of their gyms more. Brawly could be seen surfing at certain times of day. Maybe mention he knows this guy who wrestles in Sinnoh but is a water specialist. Roxanne could be seen teaching her students. Winona could get a story. Maybe they'll add in an airport in an open space, or in the outskirts of Fortree where she flies (post game maybe we'll see Skyla go meet Winona from there) a small biplane. Wattson could simply get an expanded New Mauville story. Norman could be a less distant father. Juan could be first met in the contest hall, or maybe Wallace (no matter if he's the champion or gym leader) as we don't see either of them except for during the crisis. Flannery could be seen attending the hotsprings.

Hikamaru June 3rd, 2014 7:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8275808)
I actually remember I had to evolve my Torchic just to get past Roxanne haha x3 Good times...

I hope GF wont pull too many punches like they did in XY. It really isnt a challenge anymore tbh.

Yeah I imagine the pain those who chose Torchic in the original games had to go through just to beat Roxanne and those bulky Rock-types of hers. Treecko and Mudkip users had a smoother run though.

But yeah I am hoping that Game Freak can do the balance of making it easy enough for newer players but still hard enough for older fans at the same time. The reason many complained about X and Y was the Exp. Share mechanics making their team overleveled once they like, almost reached the second gym, assuming they didn't rotate team members constantly.

I guess they were catering too much towards the younger, newer players when they changed the mechanics of the Exp. Share.

Altairis June 3rd, 2014 7:20 PM

I hope the Elite Four show up somewhere outside of Ever Grande City, especially because they are considered some of the strongest in the region and they barely do anything to help stop Teams Aqua & Magma.

I hope they aren't changed, though. I thought all the gym leaders & elite four were tough enough just as they were.

ShadowSlashz June 3rd, 2014 10:37 PM

Yeah I hope their not changed but maybe they could look different.

Salzorrah June 3rd, 2014 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 8284830)
I hope the Elite Four show up somewhere outside of Ever Grande City, especially because they are considered some of the strongest in the region and they barely do anything to help stop Teams Aqua & Magma.

I hope they aren't changed, though. I thought all the gym leaders & elite four were tough enough just as they were.

Yeah I agree, they should atleast be seen trying to stop Team Aqua and or Magma and not just sit on their thrones chillin while Hoenn gets destroyed and leaving its fate to a 10 year old who just started his/her journey. :/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 5th, 2014 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8285114)
Yeah I agree, they should atleast be seen trying to stop Team Aqua and or Magma and not just sit on their thrones chillin while Hoenn gets destroyed and leaving its fate to a 10 year old who just started his/her journey. :/

Yeah. Sadly the E4 as a whole has a horrible track record of helping out...Let's see...Kanto's didn't help, nor did Johto's, Sinnoh didn't really help either but at least we saw two of them outside of the E4, Unova's didn't help...and a freaking building just jammed through their HQ! How come only Alder helped fight off Plasma?, Kalos's didn't help...heck one of them was on the evil team's side, and even then she didn't play a real role in the villianous team during the story...
In the end the E4 seem like a final line of defense should the Champion and everyone else falls...ironically Alder fell (but that was in a fair battle).


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