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Eevee May 9th, 2014 8:19 AM

I just want them to stay the same. I'm boring, sorry.
I definitely hope that Phoebe stays as one of the Elite Four members. She's my favourite one!

I could see Wally being the champion. That could be a cute storyline moment ^^
But I do hope Steven is the champion. He's awesome.

Poke_Spirit May 9th, 2014 8:22 AM

No, It's already conformed they are full remakes, the the GL will stay the same, but maybe we will get new back story about them and elite four.

fenyx4 May 9th, 2014 2:19 PM

A minor thing, but I'm hoping that the Elite Four (and Champion) rooms/chambers receive proper, cool names like the ones of the Kalos Pokemon League headquarters.. The only one that technically has a name is the one behind the Champion room, inhabited by the Hall of Fame-recording machine (known as the Room of Glory, since that's what that room's corresponding music track is titled as on the Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire English/Japanese soundtrack release).

Rivvon May 9th, 2014 2:23 PM

Since these are remakes, I think it's safe to say the only question on Gym Leaders would be what's going on with Juan (and there's another thread about that).

I actually really liked Tate and Liza...I wish Gyms would do more fun stuff and vary up their battles the way Tate and Liza did (the one real disappointment I have with BW, for example, is that the first Gym isn't a triple battle). So I really hope they aren't changed...unless they're given Male and Female Meowstic, and then Lunatone and Solrock on their team. Then I'll be happy.

I don't want the Gym teams to be downgraded, however. No "3 Pokémon-only" teams like in XY. Have them actually rise in difficulty each time. Even give a few of the later Gym leaders some Mega Pokémon!


As for the Elite Four, I can't help but wonder--will they keep them in a set order like the originals, or will we have the freedom to choose our order, like the past 3 sets of games?

Olli May 9th, 2014 2:30 PM

Since they've been confirmed to be remakes, I don't think anything's really gonna change in the main story, since that'd kinda contradict the idea of a remake. But I reckon we're probably gonna see a whole lot of post-game stuff, and depending on what it is, it could mean changes to the Gym Leaders/E4. The champion is the only one I see the possibility of being changed with though. Since it didn't consistently stay the same from R/S to Emerald, it could either be Steven or Wallace, or as some people have suggested, possibly Wally.

And on the topic of Wally, while a bit off-topic, I'd definitely love to see more happen to him. We hardly saw anything to him throughout the entirety of R/S, apart from a few battles, and the ability to have a rematch with him at the end of the Victory Road every once in a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed did expand on his character/his inclusion with the story.

antemortem May 9th, 2014 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 8240545)
There's the Sootopolis Gym Leader debate but how about the other Gym leades? It's a brand new world so probably a sequel or some years since RSE so we're bound to have new Gym Leaders or a reshuffling of their order. Who do you hope stays? What type of new Gyms would you like to see?

I hope Winona and Tate&Liz stay. I still want a Dark Gym.

Do you think they'll be changes in the Elite 4 and what will these be? Who will be the champion?

I think the Elite 4 up to the Dragon guy will remain the same. Wally will be Champion.

I am in doubts there will be a Dark leader unless Sidney receives a demotion

fenyx4 May 9th, 2014 3:12 PM

I'm hoping that we can manually arrange/schedule/select rematches with Gym Leaders (whether in their own Gyms or in a designated gathering facility), as well as selecting Single Battles, Double Battles, Triple Battles, and Rotation Battles (even Inverse Battles and Sky Battles, if possible)... Also, the PokeNav needs to always indicate that the Elite Four and Champion are ready for a rematch (at the very least, Sidney is constantly ready); it just baffled me how they lacked such an icon in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald despite being ready for battle than pretty much all of the other NPC Trainers.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8241210)
As for the Elite Four, I can't help but wonder--will they keep them in a set order like the originals, or will we have the freedom to choose our order, like the past 3 sets of games?

I'm hoping that the "freedom to choose order"/"Elite Four teams are equal in strength" implementation from Generation 5 takes precedence... It makes more sense for the Elite Four to be a group of famed Trainers that are equal in strength (only to fittingly be surpassed by the Pokemon Champion) instead of one of them being weak to 3 other people and the Champion. All of the Elite Four and Champion Pokemon levels need to be majorly buffed, though, with the minimum being what Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen had as a "second wave". Ideally, I'd like it if rematches level them up to a point where the Elite Four have Level 90 Pokemon, while the Champion has Level 100 Pokemon.

In any case, I'll likely be challenging them in the classic "Sidney, Phoebe, Glacia, Drake" order enforced by Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, since I've grown so accustomed to it. {:3} I hope that this order gets some sort of nod (like how Unova had statues that suggested a certain "order", IIRC).

PrincessOfArendelle May 9th, 2014 3:16 PM

What I want is a difficult mode. And at the start of the game. I remember having issues with the Hoenn gym but I want to really have them brutal as an option.

And while it doesn't meant changing gym leaders I'd love if they used anime rules like only 3 on 3 and not as many as you have on a gym leader. Seems unfair

pryce10 May 9th, 2014 3:30 PM

They will keep same pokemon for the MAIN part of the game... maybe during rematches (i.e time you get NATIONAL DEX) they would be having a new pokemon or two.
Also what's with people saying they want a new gym leader... I mean GF said it is REMAKE NOT A SEQUAL.
Only change I can see is maybe they have Wallace as final Gym leader in OR and have Steven as champion in OR since OR is all about land while in AS we have Jaun and Wallace as Champion?

nihon96 May 9th, 2014 4:36 PM

I want steven as champion

TheKantoKid May 9th, 2014 10:09 PM

I want to see at least one or two of them replaced. It would be nice if Roxxanne gives Stealth Rock. I think that move should have stayed a TM. As for Elite Four, I really hope their teams are more diverse. Drake was a damn joke in Ruby& Sapphire

Elaitenstile May 9th, 2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8241294)
Ideally, I'd like it if rematches level them up to a point where the Elite Four have Level 90 Pokemon, while the Champion has Level 100 Pokemon.

This is a really good idea, perhaps they could have a third or fourth wave as well after we finish them off twice. It would be challenging as well.

Hikamaru May 11th, 2014 4:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKantoKid (Post 8241955)
I want to see at least one or two of them replaced. It would be nice if Roxxanne gives Stealth Rock. I think that move should have stayed a TM. As for Elite Four, I really hope their teams are more diverse. Drake was a damn joke in Ruby& Sapphire

Speaking of TMs as Gym prizes, here's a list of what they gave out in the original Ruby and Sapphire for reference.

1st Gym: Rock Tomb
2nd Gym: Bulk Up
3rd Gym: Shock Wave
4th Gym: Overheat
5th Gym: Facade
6th Gym: Aerial Ace
7th Gym: Calm Mind
8th Gym: Water Pulse

Now, only two of those moves in question lost TM status in 5th Gen (Shock Wave got replaced by Sludge Wave, Water Pulse got replaced by Psyshock) so I think the 3rd and 8th Gyms will give out a different move of the same type (Electric and Water in this case) in OR/AS. 3rd Gym's new TM prize I think should be Charge Beam or Volt Switch (although we had previous Electric-type Gyms give out those as well, but then again a few of the Kalos Gyms gave out non-6th Gen moves as TMs. Grant even gave out Rock Tomb as his TM prize as well, just like Roxanne did) while 8th Gym will probably give out Scald (although Unova's 8th Gym in B2/W2 had that same thing).

I've got a feeling the rest will keep their original TM prizes.

PrincessOfArendelle May 11th, 2014 4:55 AM

I would love if each gym leader gets a story arc. Nothing too big but it seems we have been getting that in Gens after 3.

Altius May 11th, 2014 5:31 AM

My guess for TMs in ORAS, if there is more than one, the first one is what I think is most likely:
Roxanne - Rock Tomb
Brawly - Bulk Up/Power Up Punch
Wattson - Volt Switch/Charge Beam
Flannery - Overheat/Flame Charge
Norman - Facade/Retaliate
Winona - Aerial Ace
Tate&Liza - Calm Mind/Psyshock/Trick Room
Juan/Wallace - Scald

Nomine May 11th, 2014 5:46 AM

I would rather have them change all of them aesthetically for nostalgic purposes. Just change up their clothing and teams; remodel the gyms and the Elite Four/Champion rooms.

antemortem May 11th, 2014 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8244639)
My guess for TMs in ORAS, if there is more than one, the first one is what I think is most likely:
Roxanne - Rock Tomb
Brawly - Bulk Up/Power Up Punch
Wattson - Volt Switch/Charge Beam
Flannery - Overheat/Flame Charge
Norman - Facade/Retaliate
Winona - Aerial Ace
Tate&Liza - Calm Mind/Psyshock/Trick Room
Juan/Wallace - Scald

This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

Fairy Tale~ May 11th, 2014 8:07 AM

I'm hoping they keep the original lineup for the E4 And Gym Leaders.

WishCookie May 11th, 2014 8:45 AM

I want them to keep Stewen :P

Pepperton May 11th, 2014 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8244861)
This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

Retaliate Slaking? That's quite the scary thought as well. They're most likely not going to change the types or people of any of the gyms or elite four, because it has been confirmed as a complete remake. However, they may change the clothing or hair styles of some of the leaders, and maybe even give them more involvement in the meddling of Team Magma/Aqua. It would be an interesting twist to have Flannery become an associate of Magma, and Wallace/Juan with Aqua. I could see Norman getting a bigger role, as he is the player's father in the original RSE games, and that was basically left alone for most of the story. There's a lot of potential to beef up the plot lines, but nothing too radical.

Altius May 11th, 2014 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8244861)
This looks good to me, though I think Brawly would give Bulk Up before anything else, and Flannery's strategy could revolve around Camerupt Flame Charging and then Overheat/Bulldozing to death, so that's a SCARY thought. Winona might give Sky Drop instead; I believe Altaria can learn it? And Tate&Liza have slow Pokemon so their strategy could definitely revolve around Trick Room which is equally as scary.

I recalled when I fought T&L in the PWT when they nearly destroyed me with trick room, so I can definitely see that as a possibility.

Wanted to add Sky Drop actually, but only Pelipper and Skarmory can learn it.

Power up punch for Brawly could be very devastating as well. It raises Attack and inflicts damage at the same time. Now with the new special/physical split, bulk up may not be as significant as it was in RSE... But for realism (this is the 2nd gym), I think Bulk Up is still the more likely TM.

Elaitenstile May 11th, 2014 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8245422)
Power up punch for Brawly could be very devastating as well. It raises Attack and inflicts damage at the same time. Now with the new special/physical split, bulk up may not be as significant as it was in RSE... But for realism (this is the 2nd gym), I think Bulk Up is still the more likely TM.

Power Up Punch would be devastating for Brawly, considering at lower levels OHKOs are not so common and every Pokémon has decent bulk. By the time his Machop finishes with Combusken, he would be able to OHKO Taillow before Taillow can land in the second Wing Attack.

I totally agree about the Trick Room part, especially since it's a double battle and most of their Pokémon spam Calm Mind, but their original TM Calm Mind was probably the most useful TM in the entire game (basically OHKOd Wallace's entire Champion team), so I'm hoping we get that instead.

Flannery could use Overheat and Flame Charge to her advantage because of the Physical/Special split, because using Overheat wouldn't affect Flame Charge's power if you manage to scrape by with low HP. Wattson should definitely give out Charge Beam because his Manectric and Magneton would be much more deadly if they are equipped with it, a few Charge Beams and Double Teams and then Thunderbolt.

Altius May 11th, 2014 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoenn (Post 8245987)
Power Up Punch would be devastating for Brawly, considering at lower levels OHKOs are not so common and every Pokémon has decent bulk. By the time his Machop finishes with Combusken, he would be able to OHKO Taillow before Taillow can land in the second Wing Attack.

I totally agree about the Trick Room part, especially since it's a double battle and most of their Pokémon spam Calm Mind, but their original TM Calm Mind was probably the most useful TM in the entire game (basically OHKOd Wallace's entire Champion team), so I'm hoping we get that instead.

Flannery could use Overheat and Flame Charge to her advantage because of the Physical/Special split, because using Overheat wouldn't affect Flame Charge's power if you manage to scrape by with low HP. Wattson should definitely give out Charge Beam because his Manectric and Magneton would be much more deadly if they are equipped with it, a few Charge Beams and Double Teams and then Thunderbolt.

I don't think Calm Mind would be as useful (for them) as it were in RSE. Assuming if Tate & Liza used the same Lunatone and Solrock as in RS, Trick Room could be more devastating especially for a double battle.

However, I would see myself use Calm Mind more than Trick Room, definitely.

Volt Switch is more of an annoyance than power, which is actually quite perfect for a 3rd gym. I remembered in BW Elesa's Emolgas were annoying as heck, but not really difficult.

Drake Seawood May 12th, 2014 2:48 AM

Elite Four wasn't that easy at all. I hope some Pokemon fixes on their teams tho.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 2:52 AM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8246133)
I don't think Calm Mind would be as useful (for them) as it were in RSE. Assuming if Tate & Liza used the same Lunatone and Solrock as in RS, Trick Room could be more devastating especially for a double battle.

In Emerald, they have Claydol and Xatu, too, remember. Claydol also has Calm Mind and I'm sure someone would have Reflect to raise a double barrier against us to spam Calm Mind and KO us. That way I guess Calm Mind is also very useful for them.


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