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L0RD G3NGAR July 16th, 2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8353184)
I think it might've been the ancient People of Hoenn who created them. Just like how they stopped Regigigas and hid it far away they probably made sure should the legends wake up they'll have a way to control them. Of course their plan backfired seeing how they were misused by the likes of Magma and Aqua.

How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

antemortem July 16th, 2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353285)
How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

The unanswered question of Pokemon. I'd like to think the orbs were created around the same time Dialga/Palkia/Giratina and their respective items were. You know, and by Arceus in order to allow people to seal away/bring about the true power of what are essentially humanity-destroying monsters. Or have the potential to be, anyway; some of them actually keep balance for the most part.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 16th, 2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8353295)
The unanswered question of Pokemon. I'd like to think the orbs were created around the same time Dialga/Palkia/Giratina and their respective items were. You know, and by Arceus in order to allow people to seal away/bring about the true power of what are essentially humanity-destroying monsters. Or have the potential to be, anyway; some of them actually keep balance for the most part.

Come to think about it I don't even think they mentioned how the Creation trio's orbs were made...

As for how humanity could've done it, well magic. There may have been humans with special powers that managed to drain the remaining natural energy from the legends to form the orbs. In the franchise we've seen people with unique powers such as Sabrina, Liza and Tate, N, and to some extent the MC her/himself.

MarinoKadame July 16th, 2014 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8353311)
Come to think about it I don't even think they mentioned how the Creation trio's orbs were made...

As for how humanity could've done it, well magic. There may have been humans with special powers that managed to drain the remaining natural energy from the legends to form the orbs. In the franchise we've seen people with unique powers such as Sabrina, Liza and Tate, N, and to some extent the MC her/himself.

Even in the manga some trainer got some abilities like Yellow and Anabel from Battle Frontier.

Leaf Magics July 16th, 2014 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353092)
Well, what created the red and blue orb? And I'm pretty sure that the orb stores there power as there primal form would be there original forms at full power

It hasn't been revealed how the Orbs were created, so we could speculate freely about that.

And I've said it before, but the official site says that Primal Reversion was a transformation that happened in ancient times because of nature's energy; it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon literally reverting to a previous form.

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353285)
How'd they make the orbs and store power in it tho? Unless they were Wizards OUO

How they would have done it, I don't know, but they could have done it.

Remember that the ancients did things like sealing the Regis and their leader (along with engineering or actually magicking the procedure to release them) and building things like the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar sundial (which apparently would be impossible to build with current technology), so I think it's perfectly possible that the ancients could have created the Orbs.

L0RD G3NGAR July 16th, 2014 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8353439)
It hasn't been revealed how the Orbs were created, so we could speculate freely about that.

And I've said it before, but the official site says that Primal Reversion was a transformation that happened in ancient times because of nature's energy; it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon literally reverting to a previous form.



How they would have done it, I don't know, but they could have done it.

Remember that the ancients did things like sealing the Regis and their leader (along with engineering or actually magicking the procedure to release them) and building things like the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar sundial (which apparently would be impossible to build with current technology), so I think it's perfectly possible that the ancients could have created the Orbs.

Nature stIill has energy, therefore they should still be primal then. And Maybe the Ancients used Pokemon to build things, but the orbs are something that would need Magic, or something be able to store power as great as thiers. Maybe Arceus created the orbs, but he's omnipotent, so he could just make Kyogre and Groudon not exist anymore so idk

ThePokeRaf July 16th, 2014 3:42 PM

I reckon this is where the orbs start to come into play. They react to Groudon/Kyogres energy causing to primal evolve.

Leaf Magics July 16th, 2014 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353455)
Nature stIill has energy, therefore they should still be primal then.

Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:

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It was a primal age, early in the world’s history. The natural world was overflowing with energy. That energy granted Groudon and Kyogre an overwhelming power.
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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353455)
And Maybe the Ancients used Pokemon to build things, but the orbs are something that would need Magic, or something be able to store power as great as thiers. Maybe Arceus created the orbs, but he's omnipotent, so he could just make Kyogre and Groudon not exist anymore so idk

I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 16th, 2014 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8353604)
Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:





I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.

I agree with this, they didn't need to absorb all of their energy. Also maybe the reason it takes both orbs in the original R/S is because the power of the orbs may have grown weaker over time that both must be used in order to calm them down. Or perhaps the reason Aqua and Magma couldn't control them was due to the nature of the orbs always needing to be together.

L0RD G3NGAR July 16th, 2014 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8353604)
Not necessarily. It is implied that natural energy was much stronger back when Groudon and Kyogre went through Primal Reversion for the first time:





I agree that they may have used Pokémon to build things, like the sundial, but what you say could also apply to the Orbs.

I think you forget how the Ultimate Weapon worked: once it was built, it absorbed the life force of many Pokémon, and once charged it was devastating enough to end a war in a single blast. In recent history, it was unearthed by Team Flare and it was shown that it is capable of absorbing all of a legendary Pokémon's power. It is prevented from doing so, but with the little energy it had left, it still destroyed part of the town that had been built around it.

And it was created by a human thousands of years ago. This is why I think it is pretty reasonable (though not the only possible explanation; we can speculate freely on this, as I said) that the two Orbs could have been created by other humans, also thousands of years ago. The Orbs wouldn't even need to absorb all of their energy, only enough to make their battle stop.


I thought the way the ultimate worked by killing Yvetal which would then kill off a life on the Planet....but what you said makes more sense.

Leaf Magics July 17th, 2014 9:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8353958)
I thought the way the ultimate worked by killing Yvetal which would then kill off a life on the Planet....but what you said makes more sense.

I think it would have killed the legendary Pokémon too, one of the Admins in the chamber where it is held says that the weapon will take all of its life force. And that's the important part, that ancient humans were able to build something that could absorb all of a legendary Pokémon's power, so creating the two Orbs, which did something similar, could have been within their reach.

And again, this is just one possibility of how the Orbs may have appeared. Many theories could turn out to be true because we have so little information on this.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 17th, 2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8354635)
I think it would have killed the legendary Pokémon too, one of the Admins in the chamber where it is held says that the weapon will take all of its life force. And that's the important part, that ancient humans were able to build something that could absorb all of a legendary Pokémon's power, so creating the two Orbs, which did something similar, could have been within their reach.

And again, this is just one possibility of how the Orbs may have appeared. Many theories could turn out to be true because we have so little information on this.

I wonder how the legendary even survived during the original creation of the weapon (assuming they used the legends in addition to the rest of the Pokemon sacrificed to make it), unless it was due to said sacrifices...

Anyways it is possible for them to create something like the orbs.

The orbs might also have been created similar to Sableye's jewel. Perhaps the energy of the Primals was so strong that they couldn't hold it in, and thus it forms a jewel, but unlike Mega Sableye they have no access to the powers of the orbs.

BeachBoy July 18th, 2014 5:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8354955)
I wonder how the legendary even survived during the original creation of the weapon (assuming they used the legends in addition to the rest of the Pokemon sacrificed to make it), unless it was due to said sacrifices...

Anyways it is possible for them to create something like the orbs.

The orbs might also have been created similar to Sableye's jewel. Perhaps the energy of the Primals was so strong that they couldn't hold it in, and thus it forms a jewel, but unlike Mega Sableye they have no access to the powers of the orbs.

Interesting thought.

And I like the idea that the orbs could become their mega primal stones. Something additional might just make it confusing. x_o

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 18th, 2014 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 8356250)
Interesting thought.

And I like the idea that the orbs could become their mega primal stones. Something additional might just make it confusing. x_o

It would. I didn't like how the bells added in HgSs seemed to have come out of no where.

Pepperton July 18th, 2014 8:26 PM

The orbs can easily be integrated into the plot, like Phoebe's grandmother, or Phoebe herself, if she makes an appearance at Mt. Pyre, giving them to you after defeating the evil teams at the haunted mountain. Would make sense for them to be the primal stones.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 18th, 2014 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8357430)
The orbs can easily be integrated into the plot, like Phoebe's grandmother, or Phoebe herself, if she makes an appearance at Mt. Pyre, giving them to you after defeating the evil teams at the haunted mountain. Would make sense for them to be the primal stones.

Or grandfather. Or maybe her parents will appear too. Or maybe Spencer of the BF will give them to us...
Also by Haunted mountain you mean Mt. Pyre right? Well Magma and Aqua will need the orb that matches the legend to summon it so that won't do (irc in Emerald they took both so we got none). Maybe post game they'll give them to us.

Pepperton July 31st, 2014 3:28 PM

So do you think as more games come out, more legendaries will get Primal Reversions, or will this be a Hoenn only feature? Discuss!

Nah July 31st, 2014 3:32 PM

It's certainly possible that the Creation Trio could get Primals, considering how old they are as well. Though it is a thing I'd only like a few Pokemon to get.....

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 31st, 2014 5:57 PM

I think that it'll be more limited than Megas are. Possibly only to the Weather trio. Perhaps the Regi trio and their master. Of course the creation trio, Lake trio, and their master too. With those being all of them I can see.

Pepperton August 1st, 2014 6:48 AM

Oh I like the idea of the Regi trio getting Primal forms! What do you think they'll look like, and what'll their stats be like?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8379996)
Oh I like the idea of the Regi trio getting Primal forms! What do you think they'll look like, and what'll their stats be like?

I see their best defensive stat becoming their offensive stat (for example Regice's large special defense will become it's special attack, but it's defense and attack could stay the same way they are) and a large boost to their speed (if they do have the 100 stat boost). That'll turn Regice into a special sweeper. With the ability Snow Warning.

As for Registeel since both it's defenses are equal and has somewhat decent offensive stats both could flip to make it a mix attack, and it could get a boost to it's new defenses (so that they won't be 75), and a lot of speed too. With the ability technician.

Primal Regirock will be the physical version of Physical Regice (since their normal selves are already like that). With it becoming a physical sweeper. Imagine a 200 attack pokemon with 150 speed... With the ability Sand Stream.

As for their master I see them boosting it's attack and speed without the flipping of any stats unlike I suggested with the trio. With 40 for attack (to match Regirock) and 60 in speed to out speed it's trio. Or maybe 45 for attack, and 55 for speed to beat Regirock in both (by five), also the ability sheer force.

Leaf Magics August 1st, 2014 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8379293)
I think that it'll be more limited than Megas are. Possibly only to the Weather trio. Perhaps the Regi trio and their master. Of course the creation trio, Lake trio, and their master too. With those being all of them I can see.

I think and hope it will be limited to just Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. If the creation trio gets anything, I think it should be Origin formes for Dialga and Palkia.

Pepperton August 3rd, 2014 8:22 AM

Maybe Primal Dialga is introduced in canon games with its design the exact same as it was in spin-off? Palkia would probably have a relatively similar concept change, with minimal alterations.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2014 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8383349)
Maybe Primal Dialga is introduced in canon games with its design the exact same as it was in spin-off? Palkia would probably have a relatively similar concept change, with minimal alterations.

As several of us have already said, Primal Dialga is Dark Dialga in Japanese. Meanwhile Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre are well Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre in Japanese. Meaning that Primal Dialga has no chance of becoming Dialga's Primal Reversion. Maybe they'll make a real Primal Dialga. It would be confusing for those of us in the English speaking countries (and those other languages that used a translation of Primal rather than Dark).

Pepperton August 3rd, 2014 8:43 AM

I'm sure Game Freak is well aware of the confusion it causes, and may decide to simply use the design from the spin-off in canon, with minor alterations like I said, to accurately depict a devolution.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2014 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8383388)
I'm sure Game Freak is well aware of the confusion it causes, and may decide to simply use the design from the spin-off in canon, with minor alterations like I said, to accurately depict a devolution.

That may just end up confusing Japanese fans and those who have the distinction between the two in their translations.
I think that the creation trio may end up getting something other than Primals to avoid any confusion. Or make Primal Dialga (in all languages) far more different looking so that it may not be confused with Dark Dialga in those parts where both would be called Primal Dialga.

Pepperton August 4th, 2014 7:38 AM

They may just completely ignore Dialga's 'Primal' form entirely and go with a different trio, like maybe the Johto dogs? No reason why I mentioned them, just the first trio that came into my head haha.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8384877)
They may just completely ignore Dialga's 'Primal' form entirely and go with a different trio, like maybe the Johto dogs? No reason why I mentioned them, just the first trio that came into my head haha.

Maybe, but their original forms were likely weaker than how they look now.
Apart from the Regi trio, another normal trio I can see getting Primal reversions is the other trio Arceus made, the Lake trio. Hopefully with Mesprit as Psychic/Fire, Azelf as Psychic/Ice, and Uxie as Psychic/Electric (as a reference to the Tm's found by their lakes, as well as their colors).

Leaf Magics August 5th, 2014 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8385339)
Maybe, but their original forms were likely weaker than how they look now.

As long as they can absorb natural energy from the world, that shouldn't be a problem. I still don't think any Pokémon other than the weather trio should get Primal Reversions, but if any did, their original power (in the legends associated with them) would probably not matter.

Livewire August 17th, 2014 8:57 AM

I'd be surprised if any Pokemon other than Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza got Primal forms. The weather trio are meant to be ancient, archetypal forces of nature. Jirachi, Deoxys, the Regis, etc., don't have that kind of association. So for them, at least, no primal forms. Megas, though, that's another story.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 17th, 2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 8404369)
I'd be surprised if any Pokemon other than Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza got Primal forms. The weather trio are meant to be ancient, archetypal forces of nature. Jirachi, Deoxys, the Regis, etc., don't have that kind of association. So for them, at least, no primal forms. Megas, though, that's another story.

Jirachi and Deoxys may not be ancient but the Regis are. They were created deep in the past, maybe not as old as the Super Ancient Pokemon but they are ancient. Also Regigigas looks like it's rusted...

Pepperton August 18th, 2014 5:59 AM

Regis could get Primals, it makes more sense than most of the other Hoenn legendaries.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 18th, 2014 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8405588)
Regis could get Primals, it makes more sense than most of the other Hoenn legendaries.

And even the rest of the legends that aren't from Hoenn. Well maybe Mew since it is said to be the ancestor of all Pokemon (well I don't think it's the ancestor of the Weather, Lake , Creation trios, Deoxys (?) or Arceus but still).

Leaf Magics August 19th, 2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8405725)
And even the rest of the legends that aren't from Hoenn. Well maybe Mew since it is said to be the ancestor of all Pokemon (well I don't think it's the ancestor of the Weather, Lake , Creation trios, Deoxys (?) or Arceus but still).

But why would Mew or the Regis make more sense than other Pokémon? Again, I don't think any Pokémon other than the weather trio should get Primal Reverions, but as far as I know, Primal Reversion simply requires that the Pokémon is capable of absorbing natural energy to enhance its own power.

One thing I'm wondering is, if any Pokémon other than the weather trio did get Primal Reversions, wouldn't we need to add categories to it? We know each Primal Pokémon so far has a unique icon (an uppercase omega for Groudon and a lowercase alpha for Kyogre), so if other Pokémon got them, what icon would they use? Would we have Alpha Reversions, Omega Reversions, and a possible third type of Reversion defined by Rayquaza? Would each Primal Pokémon get its own symbol?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8407056)
But why would Mew or the Regis make more sense than other Pokémon? Again, I don't think any Pokémon other than the weather trio should get Primal Reverions, but as far as I know, Primal Reversion simply requires that the Pokémon is capable of absorbing natural energy to enhance its own power.

One thing I'm wondering is, if any Pokémon other than the weather trio did get Primal Reversions, wouldn't we need to add categories to it? We know each Primal Pokémon so far has a unique icon (an uppercase omega for Groudon and a lowercase alpha for Kyogre), so if other Pokémon got them, what icon would they use? Would we have Alpha Reversions, Omega Reversions, and a possible third type of Reversion defined by Rayquaza? Would each Primal Pokémon get its own symbol?

That's true. Rayquaza will likely have Delta, but I'm unsure if there are any others what their signs will be.

Also the reason why I bring up Mew and the Regis is because they are ancient. Which fits with the meaning of the word used in both Japanese and english as Ancient, Prehistoric, and first.

Leaf Magics August 19th, 2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao Dragon (Post 8407065)
I been thinking about this lately. Ok, for example if fossil pokemon were to get primal reversion they could indeed end up in alpha and omega symbols, or maybe perhaps they can have a generic symbol for example they could have a jurassic park symbol to indicate that they are fossil primal pokemon XD. In all seriousness they could have something like a helix fossil symbol. Mew can have, well, the myu symbol. Kyurem I said to be a weaker version of the original dragon formed when it's two energies left it's body. They can make a primal of it transforming it into the the OD once more and it could have the yin/yang symbol and so on. Though I would prefer for it to have a more exclusive transformation but which ever comes first.

That last part is one of the reasons why I think Primal Reversion should be reserved to the weather trio. There are also all of the symbols that would come from every Pokémon that got one, all of which would represent the same kind of transformation.

About the original dragon of Unova. If it was brought back, I feel like it should be done by fusing Kyurem with Reshiram and Zekrom again, or by having Kyurem absorb some of their power. If it was through Primal Reversion, it would be more of a reconstruction of Kyurem's old body using new energy drawn from nature, and not really a return of the original dragon. It could even end up with a completely new form if it Primal Reversed.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8407086)
That's true. Rayquaza will likely have Delta, but I'm unsure if there are any others what their signs will be.

Also the reason why I bring up Mew and the Regis is because they are ancient. Which fits with the meaning of the word used in both Japanese and english as Ancient, Prehistoric, and first.

I agree that it sounds fitting, but what the official site tells us is that Primal Reversion is a transformation caused by natural energy. It also says that the world was overflowing with that energy in ancient times.

Going by that, simply being ancient doesn't necessarily mean that a Pokémon is capable of Primal Reversion. Being ancient means that it would have been around during the time when the world's natural energy was strong enough to Primal Reverse, but it doesn't say anything about that Pokémon's ability to actually do so.

In other words, the name Primal Reversion seems to refer to it being a transformation only seen, or only possible, during the world's early days, rather than to it being only possible for ancient Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8407155)
That last part is one of the reasons why I think Primal Reversion should be reserved to the weather trio. There are also all of the symbols that would come from every Pokémon that got one, all of which would represent the same kind of transformation.

About the original dragon of Unova. If it was brought back, I feel like it should be done by fusing Kyurem with Reshiram and Zekrom again, or by having Kyurem absorb some of their power. If it was through Primal Reversion, it would be more of a reconstruction of Kyurem's old body using new energy drawn from nature, and not really a return of the original dragon. It could even end up with a completely new form if it Primal Reversed.



I agree that it sounds fitting, but what the official site tells us is that Primal Reversion is a transformation caused by natural energy. It also says that the world was overflowing with that energy in ancient times.

Going by that, simply being ancient doesn't necessarily mean that a Pokémon is capable of Primal Reversion. Being ancient means that it would have been around during the time when the world's natural energy was strong enough to Primal Reverse, but it doesn't say anything about that Pokémon's ability to actually do so.

In other words, the name Primal Reversion seems to refer to it being a transformation only seen, or only possible, during the world's early days, rather than to it being only possible for ancient Pokémon.

The official site's wording is actually quite confusing as it says"The Pokémon that appear on these titles’ packaging are indeed Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, the Primal Reversion forms that have reclaimed their original power!" So it makes it sound like that power was their to begin with. But before that it mentions something about a transformation. It may be possible that the legends had the power of nature upon their creation, but began losing it, only to regain it when the history was being made, and then losing it again. This could be the third time they are entering these forms.

About the legend. It seems to have '...' to signify that there's more to the legend. Even the second part ends with the '...' meaning that the second '...' is probably Rayquaza's part of the legend and how they were stopped.

Leaf Magics August 19th, 2014 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8407179)
The official site's wording is actually quite confusing as it says"The Pokémon that appear on these titles’ packaging are indeed Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, the Primal Reversion forms that have reclaimed their original power!" So it makes it sound like that power was their to begin with. But before that it mentions something about a transformation. It may be possible that the legends had the power of nature upon their creation, but began losing it, only to regain it when the history was being made, and then losing it again. This could be the third time they are entering these forms.

About the legend. It seems to have '...' to signify that there's more to the legend. Even the second part ends with the '...' meaning that the second '...' is probably Rayquaza's part of the legend and how they were stopped.

The legend is quite clear in that the world's natural energy is what granted them the power they had. And that quote is referring to their Primal Reversion forms - those forms have regained the power to manifest themselves, the power they originally had when Groudon and Kyogre first transformed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2014 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8407226)
The legend is quite clear in that the world's natural energy is what granted them the power they had. And that quote is referring to their Primal Reversion forms - those forms have regained the power to manifest themselves, the power they originally had when Groudon and Kyogre first transformed.

Since Primal Reversion is similar to Mega evolution, and Mega evolution is the Pokemon's full, hidden potential coming out then Primal Reversion even if they aren't their original form are probably the legend's hidden power manifesting itself. However, I get a feeling only the Super ancient, ancient, and Pokemon connected to the ancient will be able to access the ancient natural energy. GKR are obvious by their in game title as Super Ancient Pokemon. Others that can probably access it could be the Fossil Pokemon. Also perhaps even those that evolve using 'Ancient Power'.

You recall how in XY they compared Mega stones to Evolution stones, and the theory (I think it was Sycamore's) that the Mega Stones are possibly transformed Evolution stones? Well I think that Primal Reversion may be that to the 'Ancient Power' evolutions, in that the legend gains access to a stronger version of the power the move gives. Speaking of Ancient Power the Weather trio all have access to the move. Perhaps using Ancient Power along with them having a special item attached will trigger it to Primal reverse (and Ancient Power can then transform into their signature move).

Leaf Magics August 19th, 2014 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8407274)
Since Primal Reversion is similar to Mega evolution, and Mega evolution is the Pokemon's full, hidden potential coming out then Primal Reversion even if they aren't their original form are probably the legend's hidden power manifesting itself. However, I get a feeling only the Super ancient, ancient, and Pokemon connected to the ancient will be able to access the ancient natural energy. GKR are obvious by their in game title as Super Ancient Pokemon. Others that can probably access it could be the Fossil Pokemon. Also perhaps even those that evolve using 'Ancient Power'.

You recall how in XY they compared Mega stones to Evolution stones, and the theory (I think it was Sycamore's) that the Mega Stones are possibly transformed Evolution stones? Well I think that Primal Reversion may be that to the 'Ancient Power' evolutions, in that the legend gains access to a stronger version of the power the move gives. Speaking of Ancient Power the Weather trio all have access to the move. Perhaps using Ancient Power along with them having a special item attached will trigger it to Primal reverse (and Ancient Power can then transform into their signature move).

That theory about Ancient Power is interesting. Ancient Power's description says that the Pokémon using it "attacks with a prehistoric power". Do you think that prehistoric power could be the same power that Groudon and Kyogre absorbed from nature to Primal Reverse?

If it is, maybe in the present that power is indeed weaker (the official site already seems to imply this), and drawing from it is only enough to produce an attack. I remember proposing a sort of energy siphon as the Primal Reversion item, and it would fit well with this theory. The Pokémon would need to amplify or store enough of the now-weaker natural power to be able to Primal Reverse.

Although there is also the attack Nature Power, which is directly stated to use nature's power just like Groudon and Kyogre. What do you think about it? None of the weather trio learns it.

Also, about Mega Evolution, maybe the difference it has with Primal Reversion is the source of the power the Pokémon uses to transform. Mega Evolution may use hidden potential that has always been within the Pokémon, while Primal Reversion may utilize energy that comes from an outside source; from the environment. This would also fit with the item for Primal Reversion being an energy siphon that channels the energy from the world into the Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2014 4:32 PM

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That theory about Ancient Power is interesting. Ancient Power's description says that the Pokémon using it "attacks with a prehistoric power". Do you think that prehistoric power could be the same power that Groudon and Kyogre absorbed from nature to Primal Reverse?

If it is, maybe in the present that power is indeed weaker (the official site already seems to imply this), and drawing from it is only enough to produce an attack. I remember proposing a sort of energy siphon as the Primal Reversion item, and it would fit well with this theory. The Pokémon would need to amplify or store enough of the now-weaker natural power to be able to Primal Reverse.

Although there is also the attack Nature Power, which is directly stated to use nature's power just like Groudon and Kyogre. What do you think about it? None of the weather trio learns it.

Also, about Mega Evolution, maybe the difference it has with Primal Reversion is the source of the power the Pokémon uses to transform. Mega Evolution may use hidden potential that has always been within the Pokémon, while Primal Reversion may utilize energy that comes from an outside source; from the environment. This would also fit with the item for Primal Reversion being an energy siphon that channels the energy from the world into the Pokémon.

That's what I started to think after I posted that and looked back at the quote.

If there are more Primals other than GKR they may end up being the ones who can learn Ancient Power by level up. Well the exceptions to that could be Togekiss seeing how Togekiss itself doesn't learn the move but Togepi and Togetic do, and Aerodactyl already has a Mega. Oh and the Tao trio too as it should be a fusion of the three dragons.

Even Corsola could get a Primal, as Corals existed in the distant past (interestingly Pacificlodge is said to have been built over Corsola, and that town seems to have a connection to the Regis (plus Sky Pillar is nearby) so it maybe old).

The other Pokemon on that list are the fossils which are ancient and can probably draw more of the power of the past. Also Claydol and Bronzong are quite ancient too. Then there's Carbink which was created after millions of years, so it may actually have been created by the natural energy coming in contact with a diamond on the ground.

Now as for the symbols. Perhaps they could have the version exclusive's have either Alpha or Omega. The ones in both such as Corsola can have Delta.

Leaf Magics August 20th, 2014 1:04 PM

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But what I find odd is that they made and entire catergory just for primal pokemon instead of including them as megas. So in the end there will be three primals with a whole category dedicated to themselves, to the weather trio? If these transformations were to be more exvlusive why not call primal Kyogre Alpha Kyogre or Primal Groudon Omega Groudon? Why the generic Primal title if no other pokemon will have these sort of transformation? I might be wrong though but it makes me suspicious. There are other pokemon that seem to fit with the primal theme and within this category.

I understand, but they have given certain Pokémon or groups of Pokémon exclusive features before.

There are the Therian Formes for Unova's flying trio; that's an entire category just for those three. They could just have used the term Origin Forme for them, a term that was already established and that only Giratina had. It would have fit perfectly too, since the Therian Formes are apparently their "original shape", and yet they created the Therian Forme concept just for them. And if that has been done for them, a minor legendary trio, why not for the main, box-featured duo of a pair of remakes?

There are even features that have been given to a single member of a trio, like Giratina's Origin Forme that I just mentioned, Xerneas's Active Mode, and Kyurem's ability to fuse with one of the other two dragons. This is also why I'm not taking Primal Rayquaza for granted.

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And, as you said, primal reversion has something to do with the pokemon being able to absorb natural energy thus triggering a transformation, the weather trio is capable of doing this as demonstrated but are they really the only ones capable of absorbing natural energy?
Right now, Primal Reversion has everything to do with the Pokémon being able to absorb natural energy. That is all the official site has told us about why Primal Reversion happened.

But besides all of that, if Primal Reversion is going to work just like Mega Evolution, and be given to many Pokémon, again just like Mega Evolution, why create the concept in the first place? Why not make them all Mega Evolutions? I think it is because Primal Reversion, as a game concept, was created to give the main legendaries of the remakes something a bit different, something that set them apart from all the other Pokémon with Mega Evolutions.

It would be just like why Therian Formes were made. They are a different term from Giratina's Origin Forme, but are essentially the same thing - it simply gives all of the legendary Pokémon involved something unique to each of them. I think the same will be true for Primal Reversion: a kind of Mega Evolution unique to the weather trio.

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Even Corsola could get a Primal, as Corals existed in the distant past (interestingly Pacificlodge is said to have been built over Corsola, and that town seems to have a connection to the Regis (plus Sky Pillar is nearby) so it maybe old).

The other Pokemon on that list are the fossils which are ancient and can probably draw more of the power of the past. Also Claydol and Bronzong are quite ancient too. Then there's Carbink which was created after millions of years, so it may actually have been created by the natural energy coming in contact with a diamond on the ground.

This is another thing. Why didn't Diancie get a Primal Reversion? If any other Pokémon can claim to be super ancient, it is Diancie. It is legendary, it was once a Carbink, and Carbink, as you said, spent millions of years underground after being formed by nature.

Primal Reversion had already been shown when Mega Diancie was revealed too, so they didn't have that restriction of spoiling a new mechanic, unlike with Aerodactyl getting a Mega on XY.

So yet again, I don't think a Pokémon being ancient is the important part of Primal Reversion, but I agree with what you said about how Ancient Power could work for triggering it on the two that are confirmed to have it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 20th, 2014 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8408376)
I understand, but they have given certain Pokémon or groups of Pokémon exclusive features before.

There are the Therian Formes for Unova's flying trio; that's an entire category just for those three. They could just have used the term Origin Forme for them, a term that was already established and that only Giratina had. It would have fit perfectly too, since the Therian Formes are apparently their "original shape", and yet they created the Therian Forme concept just for them. And if that has been done for them, a minor legendary trio, why not for the main, box-featured duo of a pair of remakes?

There are even features that have been given to a single member of a trio, like Giratina's Origin Forme that I just mentioned, Xerneas's Active Mode, and Kyurem's ability to fuse with one of the other two dragons. This is also why I'm not taking Primal Rayquaza for granted.



Right now, Primal Reversion has everything to do with the Pokémon being able to absorb natural energy. That is all the official site has told us about why Primal Reversion happened.

But besides all of that, if Primal Reversion is going to work just like Mega Evolution, and be given to many Pokémon, again just like Mega Evolution, why create the concept in the first place? Why not make them all Mega Evolutions? I think it is because Primal Reversion, as a game concept, was created to give the main legendaries of the remakes something a bit different, something that set them apart from all the other Pokémon with Mega Evolutions.

It would be just like why Therian Formes were made. They are a different term from Giratina's Origin Forme, but are essentially the same thing - it simply gives all of the legendary Pokémon involved something unique to each of them. I think the same will be true for Primal Reversion: a kind of Mega Evolution unique to the weather trio.



This is another thing. Why didn't Diancie get a Primal Reversion? If any other Pokémon can claim to be super ancient, it is Diancie. It is legendary, it was once a Carbink, and Carbink, as you said, spent millions of years underground after being formed by nature.

Primal Reversion had already been shown when Mega Diancie was revealed too, so they didn't have that restriction of spoiling a new mechanic, unlike with Aerodactyl getting a Mega on XY.

So yet again, I don't think a Pokémon being ancient is the important part of Primal Reversion, but I agree with what you said about how Ancient Power could work for triggering it on the two that are confirmed to have it.

I think it's because Therian was more specific, also unlike Giratina those formes being their originals is left ambiguous. They could've named name them Alpha Mega and Omega Mega or something like the formes have 'X forme'. I think the Primal was chosen to highlight the differences of this kind of transformation. As you brought up it seems to be energy from outside of the Pokemon instead of inside.

As for Diancie getting a Mega...it seems to be linked to Mega evolution as it resembles the Anistar clock. So a Mega would've fit it better. Also my latest statement was meant to be Pokemon connected to the past somehow, instead of them actually being old. Their age is only part of that connection.

Btw I think Primal may be a reference to "Primal instincts" especially since Groudon and Kyogre are described to have become greedy, and savage in their thirst for more of the power. So they're reverting back into a chaotic mentality.

PokeHunterBlack August 20th, 2014 6:35 PM

[QUOTE=. Btw I think Primal may be a reference to "Primal instincts" especially since Groudon and Kyogre are described to have become greedy, and savage in their thirst for more of the power. So they're reverting back into a chaotic mentality.[/QUOTE]


That would make sense, but the regis would make sense too, because in the original you needed certian pokemon like the living fossil relicanth to open there tombs, so im thinking that when they were created they were gaining power and they were then locked up and regressed to weaker forms

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 20th, 2014 7:26 PM

^ That's right, that could've been why they were sealed. As it was never explained what they or Regigigas did that was so bad to warrant getting sealed.

Leaf Magics August 20th, 2014 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8408392)
I think it's because Therian was more specific, also unlike Giratina those formes being their originals is left ambiguous.

Their forme change is effectively the same as switching from Origin Forme to Altered forme. The description for the Reveal Glass says that it "returns a Pokémon to its original shape", so Altered and Origin formes would have applied to them perfectly, and despite that, a new term used only for them was created.

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They could've named name them Alpha Mega and Omega Mega or something like the formes have 'X forme'. I think the Primal was chosen to highlight the differences of this kind of transformation. As you brought up it seems to be energy from outside of the Pokemon instead of inside.
From what we have seen, Primal Reversion will be treated like Mega Evolution, so why not just call it that? Why did they go out of their way to establish it as a different kind of transformation if it will work just like an already existing game mechanic and would have fit under it? A good reason would be that they simply wanted Groudon and Kyogre to have something unique to them. It would be a rename of Mega Evolution for Groudon and Kyogre, just like Therian Forme is a rename of Origin Forme for Unova's flying trio.

Actually, it would be like how most alternate formes for legendary Pokémon could simply be called exactly that, but get unique names depending on the Pokémon anyway.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 21st, 2014 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8408913)
Their forme change is effectively the same as switching from Origin Forme to Altered forme. The description for the Reveal Glass says that it "returns a Pokémon to its original shape", so Altered and Origin formes would have applied to them perfectly, and despite that, a new term used only for them was created.



From what we have seen, Primal Reversion will be treated like Mega Evolution, so why not just call it that? Why did they go out of their way to establish it as a different kind of transformation if it will work just like an already existing game mechanic and would have fit under it? A good reason would be that they simply wanted Groudon and Kyogre to have something unique to them. It would be a rename of Mega Evolution for Groudon and Kyogre, just like Therian Forme is a rename of Origin Forme for Unova's flying trio.

Actually, it would be like how most alternate formes for legendary Pokémon could simply be called exactly that, but get unique names depending on the Pokémon anyway.

That description is quite strange as after you get them the mirror B2W2 they even bring up that it's unknown which one is the original. Actually we can get it only after having the Therian formes... so perhaps the Incarnated formes are the real ones...

Anyways after my comment on reverting to one's Primal instincts I'm wonder if Rayquaza may not get a Primal as Rayquaza is the peace keeper. But then again it's not very peaceful either...and is quite over protective of it's territory like the other two.

Leaf Magics August 21st, 2014 12:49 PM

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That description is quite strange as after you get them the mirror B2W2 they even bring up that it's unknown which one is the original. Actually we can get it only after having the Therian formes... so perhaps the Incarnated formes are the real ones...

It doesn't matter which one is their real form. The mirror makes them switch between their two forms, and we know from its description that one of them is their "original shape" (Origin Forme). That means their other form is an Altered Forme.

Splash September 2nd, 2014 1:27 AM

I sure hope that Magikarp will also get a primal reversion since it states on the pokedex that it was tough before..

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 3rd, 2014 8:16 PM

From the latest trailer it looks like the legend Primal reverses when we meet them in what seems to be Origin Cave (which will match the originals). So the theory of the orbs causing them seems more likely as it was the orb we were given that caused them to attack us in the originals. Well that or a new item like the Bells in HgSs, whose legends only needed the wing to cause them to appear in the originals, but needed both in the remakes.

Pepperton September 5th, 2014 5:22 PM

Magikarp is a pretty cool idea of a Primal, but I really don't see it happening haha especially since Gyarados has a Mega.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2014 7:48 PM

My feelings of Primal Rayquaza being announced this month are getting stronger, especially since Get Tv is suppose to announce something on the 14th which is one day before Emerald's 10th anniversary.

Leaf Magics September 6th, 2014 11:35 AM

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From the latest trailer it looks like the legend Primal reverses when we meet them in what seems to be Origin Cave (which will match the originals). So the theory of the orbs causing them seems more likely as it was the orb we were given that caused them to attack us in the originals. Well that or a new item like the Bells in HgSs, whose legends only needed the wing to cause them to appear in the originals, but needed both in the remakes.

This is interesting. Maybe the Orbs will indeed be containers of natural energy. And maybe, if another item is required, it will be held by the legendary Pokémon and act as a Mega Stone for Primal Reversion.

AFeralFurry September 6th, 2014 11:38 AM

This has probably already been mentioned, but I think there's an obvious Primal pokemon choice.

*Looks at Dialga*

Regardless, it's a pretty cool thing, from what I've seen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 3:25 PM

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This has probably already been mentioned, but I think there's an obvious Primal pokemon choice.

*Looks at Dialga*

Regardless, it's a pretty cool thing, from what I've seen.

Primal Dialga in Japanese (and in many other languages) is 'Dark Dialga' while Primal Kyogre and Groudon are called "Primeval/Primal" or something along those lines.

I think Origin cave being the first place we see their Primal reversions to be fitting as the cave is said to hold an energy equal to Mt. Pyre (another orb connection there). Plus it said to be where life begins (a link to Xerneas maybe? Which is connected to Mega Evolution, as is Yvetal (a link with Mt. Pyre maybe?)). Btw for anyone wondering Cave of Origin's Japanese name is cave of Awakening, so while it's Japanese name doesn't have as strong beginning of life connotations, they're still there, as Life can be described in terms of Sleeping and Awaking up (sleep being death, and awakening being birth, with birth by sleep implying reincarnation/revival).

L0RD G3NGAR September 6th, 2014 3:50 PM

Perhaps Primal will be permanent?
In thisfootage, it showcased Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, and revealed that the moveswe've seen them use in previous images are new moves rather than reanimated moves.
I dont knowhow else this would make sense unless they learn a 5th move ir a move gets replaced. I think Primal will be permanent forms

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8428493)
Perhaps Primal will be permanent?
In thisfootage, it showcased Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, and revealed that the moveswe've seen them use in previous images are new moves rather than reanimated moves.
I dont knowhow else this would make sense unless they learn a 5th move ir a move gets replaced. I think Primal will be permanent forms

Earlier in this thread I theorized that perhaps Ancient Power will become their signature move after they go through Primal Reversion like how Glaciate turns into Black Kyurem, and White Kyurem's signature move, also how Kyurem's Scary Face turns into one of the Fusion moves while in one of it's formes. They could make it so that the move shifts using whatever code Kyurem's moves use to change.

Leaf Magics September 6th, 2014 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamebot (Post 8428493)
Perhaps Primal will be permanent?
In thisfootage, it showcased Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, and revealed that the moveswe've seen them use in previous images are new moves rather than reanimated moves.
I dont knowhow else this would make sense unless they learn a 5th move ir a move gets replaced. I think Primal will be permanent forms

I think I've said it before in this thread, but the problem with Primal Reversion being "permanent" (or just "triggered outside of battle") is that it would leave no reason to use the regular Groudon and Kyogre.

Right now, we know Primal Reversion gives a boost to their Abilities, and that it increases Kyogre's Special Attack and Groudon's Attack, so unless there are any drawbacks we do not know about yet, I think it will be like Mega Evolution, triggered in battle, with a shared once-per-battle restriction.

About their new moves, and adding to what ORAS said: I've suggested before, also in this same thread, that one of their moves could get replaced by a new one for the duration of their Primal Reversion.

I'll just repost what I thought back then, since I still think it could work, and we now have confirmation that they are indeed getting new attacks:

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This would be great. Kyogre could get something like Great Flood, Groudon something like Supervolcano, and Rayquaza something like Meteor Crash.

Although I think the moves may disappear after they revert to their normal forme. It could work by replacing one of their attacks with the new forme's signature attack during the transformation. Kyogre could get Water Spout replaced, Groudon Eruption, and Rayquaza could perhaps have Outrage replaced.

That was in response to Pepperton suggesting they could get new moves, and it was before they had even released the first quality screenshots that showed Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's unique symbols and attacks.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 5:34 PM

Well Kyurem's formes overshadow regular Kyurem, so it wouldn't be out there for Primal Groudon to overshadow normal Groudon, and Primal Kyogre to overshadow normal Kyogre. However, irc they showed those two transforming in midbattle in what looks like a wi-fi/inferred battle. Plus it's linked to Mega evolution, which isn't permanent.

Leaf Magics September 6th, 2014 7:02 PM

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Well Kyurem's formes overshadow regular Kyurem, so it wouldn't be out there for Primal Groudon to overshadow normal Groudon, and Primal Kyogre to overshadow normal Kyogre. However, irc they showed those two transforming in midbattle in what looks like a wi-fi/inferred battle. Plus it's linked to Mega evolution, which isn't permanent.

Ah, I had forgotten about Kyurem's alternate formes. You're right, there's precedent of it happening then.

I still consider it a problem however, especially if you take into account that these alternate formes would overshadow Groudon and Kyogre (both of whom are already very powerful) as opposed to overshadowing regular Kyurem (who actually needed a boost compared to other legendary mascots).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 7:10 PM

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Ah, I had forgotten about Kyurem's alternate formes. You're right, there's precedent of it happening then.

I still consider it a problem however, especially if you take into account that these alternate formes would overshadow Groudon and Kyogre (both of whom are already very powerful) as opposed to overshadowing regular Kyurem (who actually needed a boost compared to other legendary mascots).

Kyurem actually has only 10 bst points less than Groudon and Kyogre. It's horrible typing was it's weakest point.

Iceshadow3317 September 6th, 2014 7:11 PM

If I am not mistaking, didn't one of the earlier trailers show Primal Kyogre and Groudon changing from normal in a battle much like Megas?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 7:44 PM

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If I am not mistaking, didn't one of the earlier trailers show Primal Kyogre and Groudon changing from normal in a battle much like Megas?

Yes, that's why I think they're temporary only forms.

Leaf Magics September 6th, 2014 7:46 PM

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Kyurem actually has only 10 bst points less than Groudon and Kyogre. It's horrible typing was it's weakest point.

It still needed a boost to be closer to the other mascots (it was like 3 tiers below them). Groudon and Kyogre don't.

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If I am not mistaking, didn't one of the earlier trailers show Primal Kyogre and Groudon changing from normal in a battle much like Megas?

I think one showed the start of a transformation sequence, then cut to out-of-game graphics.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8428705)
It still needed a boost to be closer to the other mascots (it was like 3 tiers below them). Groudon and Kyogre don't.



I think one showed the start of a transformation sequence, then cut to out-of-game graphics.

I doubt Gf cares about a Mascot's tier. Beside's Black Kyurem is like one or two tiers below the mascots...

Yeah, they did.

Iceshadow3317 September 6th, 2014 9:19 PM

I would also like to point out that Mega Sceptile also seems to be getting a signature move to support the idea of primals being like megas. This seems to be proven in a trailer for the upcoming Mega Evo Part 2 in the anime where it shoots off its tail.

Leaf Magics September 6th, 2014 9:29 PM

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I doubt Gf cares about a Mascot's tier. Beside's Black Kyurem is like one or two tiers below the mascots...

Yeah, they did.

Even if ignoring non-Game Freak tiers (which I'll do from now on), they realized it was weaker than the others. In fact, I would even say that Kyurem was originally designed to be weaker. Otherwise, I don't think they would have given it two new formes with 40 extra base total plus some new attacks with no in-battle drawback, given that it was already a box legendary, and already just as ban-worthy as Pokémon like Mewtwo or Arceus, according to Game Freak themselves.

They could have made Kyurem's formes' stats be redistributions of the original Kyurem's, like they did with Giratina, who was already on par with its fellow mascots. But they didn't, because they knew that it was weaker than its counterparts, and knew that it needed higher stats to be closer to them. Of course, Kyurem's alternate formes ended up having higher stats than its counterparts, but they also got a restriction of one per game, and require giving up one of the legendary dragons for as long as one wants to use the alternate Kyurem forme.

Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's restriction could be a one-per-battle limit shared with Mega Evolution, if their transformation happens in battle (which is what I think will happen). The alternative could be a reduction in their other stats, which would probably mean a redistribution like Giratina's in a transformation outside of battle.

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I would also like to point out that Mega Sceptile also seems to be getting a signature move to support the idea of primals being like megas. This seems to be proven in a trailer for the upcoming Mega Evo Part 2 in the anime where it shoots off its tail.

Maybe all starters will get signature moves from now on, like the Kalos ones did.

Altairis September 6th, 2014 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 8428782)
I would also like to point out that Mega Sceptile also seems to be getting a signature move to support the idea of primals being like megas. This seems to be proven in a trailer for the upcoming Mega Evo Part 2 in the anime where it shoots off its tail.

I don't know how much this information means, because several non-Legendary Pokemon already have signature moves, or have had them in the past before distributed to other Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2014 10:18 PM

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Even if ignoring non-Game Freak tiers (which I'll do from now on), they realized it was weaker than the others. In fact, I would even say that Kyurem was originally designed to be weaker. Otherwise, I don't think they would have given it two new formes with 40 extra base total plus some new attacks with no in-battle drawback, given that it was already a box legendary, and already just as ban-worthy as Pokémon like Mewtwo or Arceus, according to Game Freak themselves.

They could have made Kyurem's formes' stats be redistributions of the original Kyurem's, like they did with Giratina, who was already on par with its fellow mascots. But they didn't, because they knew that it was weaker than its counterparts, and knew that it needed higher stats to be closer to them. Of course, Kyurem's alternate formes ended up having higher stats than its counterparts, but they also got a restriction of one per game, and require giving up one of the legendary dragons for as long as one wants to use the alternate Kyurem forme.

Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's restriction could be a one-per-battle limit shared with Mega Evolution, if their transformation happens in battle (which is what I think will happen). The alternative could be a reduction in their other stats, which would probably mean a redistribution like Giratina's in a transformation outside of battle.



Maybe all starters will get signature moves from now on, like the Kalos ones did.

The Hoenn starters themselves were actually the first to get signature moves, Leaf Blade for Sceptile, Blaze Kick for Blaziken, and Muddy Water for Swampert. Followed by the Kanto starters who were given the elemental hyper beams in the Kanto remakes. Sadly those Gen III signature moves were no longer signature moves come Gen IV. Also Unova's had semi-signature moves, but sadly GF didn't make them signature moves, even though they could. Leaving Tepig's line with the only signature move out of the Unova mons.

Anyways I honestly see the Primals being in battle only like Megas too. Now the biggest question is if that's the path they're going to take, will we be able to use both a Mega and a Primal? or will the one mon slot be shared by both.

Leaf Magics September 7th, 2014 10:34 AM

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The Hoenn starters themselves were actually the first to get signature moves, Leaf Blade for Sceptile, Blaze Kick for Blaziken, and Muddy Water for Swampert. Followed by the Kanto starters who were given the elemental hyper beams in the Kanto remakes. Sadly those Gen III signature moves were no longer signature moves come Gen IV. Also Unova's had semi-signature moves, but sadly GF didn't make them signature moves, even though they could. Leaving Tepig's line with the only signature move out of the Unova mons.

That's actually news to me; I never knew any of those were signature moves back then. By the time I started actually paying attention to those things it was Gen IV.

OK, rephrasing: Maybe all starters will get signature moves (that are actually intended to be signature moves and stay like that) from now on, like the Kalos ones did and have kept so far.

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Anyways I honestly see the Primals being in battle only like Megas too. Now the biggest question is if that's the path they're going to take, will we be able to use both a Mega and a Primal? or will the one mon slot be shared by both.
I think it will be a one-per-battle limit shared with Mega Evolution, like I said before.

Although I honestly would love to be able to use Primal Kyogre along with Mega Mewtwo Y (Mega Mewtwo Y is my favorite Mega and I like how Primal Kyogre looks), but if the boosts are comparable, it would make sense that they share the limit with Mega Evolution.

L0RD G3NGAR September 7th, 2014 10:40 AM

I doubt they will reveal primal Rayquaza, as they obviously dont want us to know Sky pillar is there. Maybe we have to find it ourselves then take it to somewhere >.<
Or Maybe it will be an Event. But I doubt we will be shown it before November 21st. Maybe the December CoroCoro

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8429359)
That's actually news to me; I never knew any of those were signature moves back then. By the time I started actually paying attention to those things it was Gen IV.

OK, rephrasing: Maybe all starters will get signature moves (that are actually intended to be signature moves and stay like that) from now on, like the Kalos ones did and have kept so far.



I think it will be a one-per-battle limit shared with Mega Evolution, like I said before.

Although I honestly would love to be able to use Primal Kyogre along with Mega Mewtwo Y (Mega Mewtwo Y is my favorite Mega and I like how Primal Kyogre looks), but if the boosts are comparable, it would make sense that they share the limit with Mega Evolution.

I have a feeling the Kalos starters will lose their signature moves come Gen VI like how the Hoenn starters did :(.

On topic. Yeah, I can't see them allowing us to use two very strong Pokemon in one battle.

Now, if Rayquaza get's a signature move I wonder how it'll look like. Groudon's is half cooled down lava, Kyogre's looks like a powerful jet of water arrows. Since their signature move shows off their Primal's typings well, and if Rayquaza like Kyogre keeps the same typing as it's normal form, perhaps Rayquaza will get a meteor attack that involves slicing winds. Whatever it ends up looking like I see it coming from above, in contrast to how Groudon's move comes from below, and Kyogre's comes towards you from in front. Well behind could work too. Or maybe it'll start from above and end with something hitting the opponent from behind.

Btw, has anyone else noticed how the legendary Pokemon with Megas have signature moves? Latios has his Luster Purge, and Latias has her Mist Ball, the Mewtwos have Psystrike, and Diancie has it's Diamond Storm...

Leaf Magics September 7th, 2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8429373)
Now, if Rayquaza get's a signature move I wonder how it'll look like. Groudon's is half cooled down lava, Kyogre's looks like a powerful jet of water arrows. Since their signature move shows off their Primal's typings well, and if Rayquaza like Kyogre keeps the same typing as it's normal form, perhaps Rayquaza will get a meteor attack that involves slicing winds. Whatever it ends up looking like I see it coming from above, in contrast to how Groudon's move comes from below, and Kyogre's comes towards you from in front. Well behind could work too. Or maybe it'll start from above and end with something hitting the opponent from behind.

I think something to do with meteors or ozone would fit it nicely. Ozone Buster from the TCG would look great on it. It or whatever attack it gets could be like a physical Draco Meteor, or a flying- or dragon-type equivalent of Water Spout and Eruption. It could also just be an equivalent of the new moves, assuming those two are equivalent among themselves.

Quote:

Btw, has anyone else noticed how the legendary Pokemon with Megas have signature moves? Latios has his Luster Purge, and Latias has her Mist Ball, the Mewtwos have Psystrike, and Diancie has it's Diamond Storm...
Well, many legendary Pokémon have signature moves already, so as more legendary Pokémon get Mega Evolutions, they will start overlapping.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8429453)
I think something to do with meteors or ozone would fit it nicely. Ozone Buster from the TCG would look great on it. It or whatever attack it gets could be like a physical Draco Meteor, or a flying- or dragon-type equivalent of Water Spout and Eruption. It could also just be an equivalent of the new moves, assuming those two are equivalent among themselves.



Well, many legendary Pokémon have signature moves already, so as more legendary Pokémon get Mega Evolutions, they will start overlapping.

I hope it ends up being a Flying type move as Rayquaza lacks good flying type moves. Maybe Primal Rayquaza will get Aerleiate too.
Primal Groudon can get Solid Rock, and Primal Kyogre can get Water Absorb. That is if they don't gain brand new signature abilities.

Centipede Chan September 7th, 2014 12:59 PM

I have an idea for the names of the new moves for Kyogre and Groudon:

Groudon - Primal Burn
Kyogre - Ancient Wave

Yes? No?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2014 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DDDchu (Post 8429508)
I have an idea for the names of the new moves for Kyogre and Groudon:

Groudon - Primal Burn
Kyogre - Ancient Wave

Yes? No?

Maybe they'll be - SuperVolcano and MegaTsunami respectably. Rayquaza could get something like Quasar (as it has a relation to stars, plus it's in it's name) or perhaps something like Super Outbreak to match it's role as the sky deity of the Pokemon world (plus it's more likely to be a flying type move).

Bobbylicious September 7th, 2014 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AFeralFurry (Post 8428265)
This has probably already been mentioned, but I think there's an obvious Primal pokemon choice.

*Looks at Dialga*

Regardless, it's a pretty cool thing, from what I've seen.

People really need to dissociate primal dialga from primal kyogre and groudon... The games are entirely different in canon

In PMD dialga becomes "primal" because iirc he's overcome with rage... Where in ORAS kyogre and groudon become primal because they revert back to their original formes before they created land and sea or whatever, making them more powerful because they haven't used that power ton create stuff yet.

There's a huge difference between the two and they're not even similar in the slightest.... People, please stop comparing the two it's a major annoyance of mine......

AFeralFurry September 7th, 2014 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobdapeach (Post 8429869)
People really need to dissociate primal dialga from primal kyogre and groudon... The games are entirely different in canon

In PMD dialga becomes "primal" because iirc he's overcome with rage... Where in ORAS kyogre and groudon become primal because they revert back to their original formes before they created land and sea or whatever, making them more powerful because they haven't used that power ton create stuff yet.

There's a huge difference between the two and they're not even similar in the slightest.... People, please stop comparing the two it's a major annoyance of mine......

*Shrug*

My bad. I suppose I made an error, I thank you in correcting it./Sincerity mode.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 7th, 2014 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobdapeach (Post 8429869)
People really need to dissociate primal dialga from primal kyogre and groudon... The games are entirely different in canon

In PMD dialga becomes "primal" because iirc he's overcome with rage... Where in ORAS kyogre and groudon become primal because they revert back to their original formes before they created land and sea or whatever, making them more powerful because they haven't used that power ton create stuff yet.

There's a huge difference between the two and they're not even similar in the slightest.... People, please stop comparing the two it's a major annoyance of mine......

They aren't even called the same thing in Japanese (and in other languages) to begin with, so yeah, they aren't the same thing.

It would be interesting if Dialga (Palkia, and Giratina) got a Primal form though. But those should probably be saved for DPP remakes.

Mark Kamill September 8th, 2014 12:42 AM

Wait, new moves? Wouldn't that mean complete and utter lockout for using Groudon/Kyogre in XY, considering how I can't see a move just popping up mid-battle? Or they really are going to patch everything into XY, just unable to obtain em unless through trade. As for the DPt legends, I'm assuming they're not going to be primal, but universal. Or better, Temporal/Spacial/Anti.

Nah September 8th, 2014 4:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Stud Muffin (Post 8430047)
Wait, new moves? Wouldn't that mean complete and utter lockout for using Groudon/Kyogre in XY, considering how I can't see a move just popping up mid-battle? Or they really are going to patch everything into XY, just unable to obtain em unless through trade. As for the DPt legends, I'm assuming they're not going to be primal, but universal. Or better, Temporal/Spacial/Anti.

It's possible that Gamefreak could implement some sort of patch or DLC or whatever for X/Y to accommodate the new Megas and moves ORAS brings and allow interaction between the 2 sets.

But something I was thinking....what if Primal Groudon's and Primal Kyogre's signature moves are already in X/Y's coding? OR&AS mentioned on the previous page that Primal Kyogre's move looks like a series of water arrows or something....and there was a move discovered by hackers in X/Y's coding called "Thousand Arrows". The more popular theory is that Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves are supposed to be signature moves for future Zygarde forms, but maybe that's not the case.

Could someone post the screenshots/video showing these new moves of Groudon and Kyorge's? I wanna see them for myself.

Mark Kamill September 8th, 2014 6:12 AM

You know those shots in the videos with Kyogre and Groudon, the former creating a pressured ball of water and the latter shooting spikes out of the ground we've seen many times? Those are it.

Altius September 8th, 2014 9:12 AM

Maybe we will know about the moves in the next CoroCoro...

which will be leaking quite soon I believe.

Haven't even following it much because of IFA and tomorrow's Apple event.

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 9:25 AM

Primal Mewtwo
 
I think there will be more Primal forms then Groudon and Kyogre, most probably Primal Rayquaza

but the one who needs a primal form the most is Mewtwo

Mewtwo is the strongest pokemon and it needs a new primal uber form or it will be overshadowed by lesser legendaries

Mewtwo is the first legendary and if it anyone deserves a primal form it is Mewtwo!

Mewtwo's mega forms kinda suck anyway. now is the chance game freak, correct your mistake and give Mewtwo a form worthy of the best pokemon!

maybe its mega forms can get primal forms too. mega primal mewtwo x and mega primal mewtwo y

Thursday September 8th, 2014 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430451)
I think there will be more Primal forms then Groudon and Kyogre, most probably Primal Rayquaza

but the one who needs a primal form the most is Mewtwo

Mewtwo is the strongest pokemon and it needs a new primal uber form or it will be overshadowed by lesser legendaries

Mewtwo is the first legendary and if it anyone deserves a primal form it is Mewtwo!

Mewtwo's mega forms kinda suck anyway. now is the chance game freak, correct your mistake and give Mewtwo a form worthy of the best pokemon!

maybe its mega forms can get primal forms too. mega primal mewtwo x and mega primal mewtwo y

I'm not sure if you're trolling so I'm going to break this up a bit.

1. Mewtwo was made by scientist so I'm guessing that's why there won't be a primal form like Kyogre and Groudon.
2. Technically, Articuno is the first legendary.
3. Mewtwo's mega forms are not that bad.

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joshbl56 (Post 8430482)
I'm not sure if you're trolling so I'm going to break this up a bit.

1. Mewtwo was made by scientist so I'm guessing that's why there won't be a primal form like Kyogre and Groudon.
2. Technically, Articuno is the first legendary.
3. Mewtwo's mega forms are not that bad.

im not troll! u hired by smogon?

1 maybe mewtwo scientists create was born as primal mewtwo but reverted to original mewtwo because of stress

2 im talking about real legendarys! the big ones like giratina, lugia, arceus etc. legendaries like articuno are weak

3 no they are bad! they insult the perfection of Mewtwo! Mewtwo was already the ultimate being, it didnt need to evolve!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 8th, 2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8430146)
It's possible that Gamefreak could implement some sort of patch or DLC or whatever for X/Y to accommodate the new Megas and moves ORAS brings and allow interaction between the 2 sets.

But something I was thinking....what if Primal Groudon's and Primal Kyogre's signature moves are already in X/Y's coding? OR&AS mentioned on the previous page that Primal Kyogre's move looks like a series of water arrows or something....and there was a move discovered by hackers in X/Y's coding called "Thousand Arrows". The more popular theory is that Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves are supposed to be signature moves for future Zygarde forms, but maybe that's not the case.

Could someone post the screenshots/video showing these new moves of Groudon and Kyorge's? I wanna see them for myself.

Yeah, and Groudon's is similar to "Thousand Waves". However, both are ground type moves, so GF will need to patch up Kyogre's move to be a water type move if those are indeed their signature moves.

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 10:49 AM

ive found it, this is what Primal Mewtwo should look like!

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/pokemon-realistic-arvalis-RJ-Palmer-nintendo-gamefreak-mewtwo-mew-ditto.jpg

yes, this is truly how you improve on perfection.
watch and learn game freak

Lunar September 8th, 2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430488)
im not troll! u hired by smogon?

1 maybe mewtwo scientists create was born as primal mewtwo but reverted to original mewtwo because of stress

2 im talking about real legendarys! the big ones like giratina, lugia, arceus etc. legendaries like articuno are weak

3 no they are bad! they insult the perfection of Mewtwo! Mewtwo was already the ultimate being, it didnt need to evolve!

In fairness Articuno is still a legendary, even if you consider them weak Pokemon like Shaymin, Celebi ect are still legendaries. However imo primal evolution should be exclusive to Groundon/Kyogre, besides Mega Mewtwo Y is extremely powerful so I feel Mewtwo is not in need of another upgrade.

Centipede Chan September 8th, 2014 12:24 PM

Honestly I'd want some type of Mewtwo Robotic version, like with the technology on him in the movie and anime. He would be uncatchable but would be like one of the pokemon the final fight from Team [insert name here].

Controversy September 8th, 2014 12:29 PM

You kind of contradicted yourself by saying that it was perfect and didn't need to evolve and now asking for a 'primal reversion' considering reversion seems to be pretty similar to mega evolution as far as I am aware.

JP September 8th, 2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430552)
ive found it, this is what Primal Mewtwo should look like!

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/pokemon-realistic-arvalis-RJ-Palmer-nintendo-gamefreak-mewtwo-mew-ditto.jpg

yes, this is truly how you improve on perfection.
watch and learn game freak

That is freakin' scary haha.

I wouldn't be against Mewtwo getting some sort of 'natural' forme. Even more so, I'd love what was mentioned above; some sort of robotic or mechanic forme similar to the first movie.

As a side note... I really like his Megas. I think they're pretty cool.

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ScoSap (Post 8430631)
In fairness Articuno is still a legendary, even if you consider them weak Pokemon like Shaymin, Celebi ect are still legendaries. However imo primal evolution should be exclusive to Groundon/Kyogre, besides Mega Mewtwo Y is extremely powerful so I feel Mewtwo is not in need of another upgrade.

im only talking bout legendaries with 680 and + stats!

meh mew celebi etc they weak legendaries, about as legendary as archanine

its not about an upgrade, its about regaining mewtwos honor! the mega mewtwos r ugly. we need a beautiful primal mewtwo to fix things

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Originally Posted by DDDchu (Post 8430634)
Honestly I'd want some type of Mewtwo Robotic version, like with the technology on him in the movie and anime. He would be uncatchable but would be like one of the pokemon the final fight from Team [insert name here].

yeah mewtwo does look baws in that armor thingie giovanii put on him

Quote:

Originally Posted by Controversy (Post 8430643)
You kind of contradicted yourself by saying that it was perfect and didn't need to evolve and now asking for a 'primal reversion' considering reversion seems to be pretty similar to mega evolution as far as I am aware.

no i didnt contradict myself! i still think mewtwo needed no evolution and was perfect

but then game freak ruined everything by giving it two ugly mega forms!!!

so to fix the ugly megas we must give it brand new primal form

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 8430652)
That is freakin' scary haha.

I wouldn't be against Mewtwo getting some sort of 'natural' forme. Even more so, I'd love what was mentioned above; some sort of robotic or mechanic forme similar to the first movie.

As a side note... I really like his Megas. I think they're pretty cool.

yeah but mewtwo is supposed to be scary

think bout it, mewtwo is a mutated clone! it even has a second spinal cord!

robotic form is gud but its gonna be just like a alternate skin, same ol mewtwo just different lookin

no! dey ugly!

gamefreak! u wronged mewtwo! now give him primal form!

Thursday September 8th, 2014 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430657)
im only talking bout legendaries with 680 and + stats!

meh mew celebi etc they weak legendaries, about as legendary as archanine

its not about an upgrade, its about regaining mewtwos honor! the mega mewtwos r ugly. we need a beautiful primal mewtwo to fix things


no i didnt contradict myself! i still think mewtwo needed no evolution and was perfect

but then game freak ruined everything by giving it two ugly mega forms!!!

so to fix the ugly megas we must give it brand new primal form



yeah but mewtwo is supposed to be scary

think bout it, mewtwo is a mutated clone! it even has a second spinal cord!

robotic form is gud but its gonna be just like a alternate skin, same ol mewtwo just different lookin

no! dey ugly!

gamefreak! u wronged mewtwo! now give him primal form!

So, from what I'm getting you hate the look of Mewtwo's mega forms? I will admit neither are beautiful but neither is Mewtwo's normal form. If they ever do give Mewtwo a primal form it will probably look like Mewtwo with some glowing lines on it.

Two spinal cords? Are you talking about the weird tube thing in the back of its head? Is that a spinal cord? I always thought that was just something that kept its head from falling over since it has a small neck?

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by joshbl56 (Post 8430668)
So, from what I'm getting you hate the look of Mewtwo's mega forms? I will admit neither are beautiful but neither is Mewtwo's normal form. If they ever do give Mewtwo a primal form it will probably look like Mewtwo with some glowing lines on it.

Two spinal cords? Are you talking about the weird tube thing in the back of its head? Is that a spinal cord? I always thought that was just something that kept its head from falling over since it has a small neck?

i hate almost all megas, they tend to be exaggerated versions of their base forms and really ridiculous lookin

no mewtwo is beautiful!
even if u dont think mewtwo is beautiful, dem megas r just ugly and stupid looking

im fine with shiny godzilla mewtwo

yah da tube thingie, i think its a spinal cordy or just some nerve cluster providing juice to his big psychic brain

now u guys stop praising his mega forms or else mewtwo will shoot u!

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/054/1/1/mewtwo_by_turbocharge0-d3a5u79.png

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultraviolence (Post 8430674)
looooooooooooooooooooooool

I highly doubt Mewtwo will get a primal devolution since it already has two powerful megas.

you'll see. i'll get game freak 2 give him a primal devolution

heck i'll even get them to give his mega forms primal devolutions

Thursday September 8th, 2014 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430672)
i hate almost all megas, they tend to be exaggerated versions of their base forms and really ridiculous lookin

no mewtwo is beautiful!
even if u dont think mewtwo is beautiful, dem megas r just ugly and stupid looking

I thought that was the point of the megas? They're just powered up forms of the normal Pokemon so I think they should look like exaggerated forms. It would be boring if they didn't.

babaGAReeb September 8th, 2014 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by joshbl56 (Post 8430679)
I thought that was the point of the megas? They're just powered up forms of the normal Pokemon so I think they should look like exaggerated forms. It would be boring if they didn't.

they exaggerated too much for most of em!

quite a few look good like mega garchomp, sceptile, aragon etc

but something like mega manectric... thats just dumb

and wtf is mega slowpoke even?

Pepperton September 8th, 2014 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430451)
I think there will be more Primal forms then Groudon and Kyogre, most probably Primal Rayquaza

but the one who needs a primal form the most is Mewtwo

Mewtwo is the strongest pokemon and it needs a new primal uber form or it will be overshadowed by lesser legendaries

Mewtwo is the first legendary and if it anyone deserves a primal form it is Mewtwo!

Mewtwo's mega forms kinda suck anyway. now is the chance game freak, correct your mistake and give Mewtwo a form worthy of the best pokemon!

maybe its mega forms can get primal forms too. mega primal mewtwo x and mega primal mewtwo y

Hi there, I merged your thread with the existing Primal reversion thread. when creating a thread, make sure to check the section you're posting in so that you don't make a duplicate. Normally, duplicates are locked, but because your thread had a lot of replies, I'm merging it. Also, please refrain from discussing Mega evolutions in this thread - discussion of that goes here.

Thursday September 8th, 2014 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by babaGAReeb (Post 8430683)
they exaggerated too much for most of em!

quite a few look good like mega garchomp, sceptile, aragon etc

but something like mega manectric... thats just dumb

and wtf is mega slowpoke even?

Okay, I'll admit Mega Manetric looks funny but I think Mega Slowpoke is suppose to be the Shellder/whatever it is that was on its tail having grown and taken up more of its body. Does it look cool though?


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