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Originally Posted by Avant Garde
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So as shown in the recent Corocoro leaks, Kyogre and Groudon receive a "Mega Evolution"-esque process known as Ancient Devolution. Apparently not much is known about this new "mechanic" other than this is used by Kyogre and Groudon to like tap to its primeval roots.
Well, at this time only Kyogre and Groudon are capable of this regression.
Do you think there will be more Pokemon subject to this primal regression? Do you think this is a new mechanic introduced in the games that is completely different from Mega Evolution? Is Ancient Devolution just some sort of weird fancy name for Mega Evolution for Kyogre and Groudon and nothing else?
Discuss!
Note: This thread is for speculating Ancient Devolutions and not for Kyogre and Groudon. As much as possible speculate them in the other thread.
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For the process of "Atomic Regression/Ancient 'Devolution'" (I'm going to use the term "Atomic Regression" hereafter until the English name is confirmed; 'devolution' justs makes things even more convoluted than they are @
[email protected]), I hope that only Rayquaza is capable of it. I imagine that the "Primeval" Formes/states of Groudon and Kyogre will have more than 10 measly points added to their Base Stat Totals (BSTs) to showcase their unadulterated strength, so if Rayquaza is going to continue to be the "mediator" of the "Super-ancient Pokemon/Weather Trio", Rayquaza will likely need a similar power boost to match or surpass its weather-manipulating brethren..
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Originally Posted by ISA56 2.0
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I'm actually interested in Ancient Devolution because not only does it not really make sense from a biological standpoint and I'm interested to see how Game Freak justifies it, but also I'm interested in how it affects the Pokemon in general. A lot of Pokemon are being implied or mentioned as having different attributes in the distant past (Gastrodon having a shell, Magikarp explicitly being stronger long ago, etc.), and it will be interesting to see each stage of a Pokemon's "Darwinian evolution", as it were.
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That would be interesting, although I'd probably be fine if said Pokemon got Mega Evolutions of some sort instead (which has at least been satisfied with Magikarp's evolution and the fossil Pokemon Aerodactyl..)
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Originally Posted by Altairis
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Primal Dialga is something different! It's not a form but rather a state of mind that calls Dialga "Primal" since it has lost its ability to control time and have mercy. So nope, not a devolution but a deterioration of Dialga's mind.
I think only Rayquaza would get one since its in a trio, but I can't see anyone else getting it since the other legends are rulers of a specific element and it would kinda suck if Dialga lost control of time (as demonstrated in PMD) or Palkia lost the ability to keep space in order (like in the Almia Ranger event) due to time passing and them not being as powerful. Ocean and land don't really need any legends to keep them in check after they were created.
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Regarding the "state of mind" thing, I recall reading somewhere (my memory's fuzzy at the moment; I would like to say the dialogue was from a non-playable character (NPC) during
Pokemon Emerald's Weather Trio crisis, or maybe from someone in the
Pokemon anime during the Advanced Generation saga) that Groudon and Kyogre fight with each other not because they want to indulge in such combat, but because they cannot control their own powers (similar to this "Primal Dialga" that I keep encountering on the Internet). "Primeval" Groudon and Kyogre could entail an induced
mental regression to an "ancient" state of mind where they kept their powers
unchecked during the early state of the Pokemon World/Earth. With the removal of the mental blocks that confined the expression of their powers, Groudon and Kyogre subsequently gain immense, unrestrained abilities (sporting physical changes that better reflect their primordial appearances) and loose their raw elemental energies in battle.
I think Dialga gaining an abnormal "Atomic/Ancient Regression" state would be a nice tie-in with the
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series (and more sensible, since Dialga's affinity with the concept of time allows it to date back to/interact with ancient eras and such), although I really don't think it is necessary... Additionally, one for the "original dragon" that involves Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem would be neat to see, although I think traces of the "original dragon" manifest nicely as Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Anything else is pushing it, in my opinion. Aside from the Weather Trio, only Pokemon that are legendary version mascots and/or have a Base Stat Total around 680 (specifically, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Heatran, Regigigas, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde) should be qualified as "Atomic/Ancient Regression" candidates, in my opinion; nevertheless, I think that the Weather Trio are the best suited/"ancient" to pull off the concept of "Atomic/Ancient Regression" well. Most of the group that I just mentioned are powerful enough (bar Regigigas due to its hindering Ability of Slow Start) and demonstrate their "legendary" Abilities reasonably well, so I'd prefer it if they didn't get any more power boosts.
[QUOTE="HoneyClaws";8293072]Standard evolution in pokemon already is incorrect with the scientific definition of the term so how this is percieved shouldnt be a shock. Though they can easily day this is just an AWAKENING state for the creation legendaries and not really a transformation.[/QUOTE]
"Awakening" seems more like a mental thing in my opinion, although modern media (particularly videogames) tend to treat 'awakening' as a fancy term for a [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperMode"]Super Mode[/URL], regardless of whether physical alterations are exhibitied or not... "Awakening" would probably make sense more than "devolution/regression"... the Weather Trio
were apparently asleep/dormant for a long time before Team Magma and Team Aqua rudely interrupted their centuries-/millenia-long nap, so maybe they need some time to get themselves together before displaying their true ferocity (similar to the perception of how the Slow Start Ability for Regigigas reflects how it struggles to get primed for battle after so many years of being inactive).
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As for devolution in terms of "reverse metamorphosis" (like Raichu becoming a Pikachu), it would be an interesting mechanic for most non-legendary Pokemon (although then we would
really be veering into
Digimon territory {XD}).