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Having Rayquaza's Air Lock be the only thing that could null their weather would be cool, in-game and competitively in the Uber tier. Or something more than "Air Lock," I guess, if that/Cloud Nine from regular Pokemon wouldn't be enough to put a stop to the permanent weather.
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I was looking at the official site just now in the mascots page, and saw this under Primal Groudon (image 4/9): "Spears of rock wrapped in magma stab out at the target! What move is this?!" Under Primal Kyogre (same image number) it says "What move is this?! The pillars of water that have been unleashed are assaulting the target!" That practically confirm that they'll get signature moves that have not been seen before! Finally my precious Weather Trio will have the signature moves they so deserve.
Oh I also found this nice tidbit on the top of Primal Groudon's part "Groudon has long been the heaviest of all known Pokémon. With its Primal Reversion, it smashes that record to pieces!" For Primal Kyogre it's "When Kyogre undergoes Primal Reversion, it becomes Primal Kyogre, and the length of its body more than doubles!" Damn those things are massive! Actually that may be an understatement. Here's the link to the site if you don't have it: http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-groudon-and-primal-kyogre |
It's cute when they do little things like that. Like, I don't think anyone would care how long Kyogre is, but it's cute that they do!
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I think they should give Primal Groudon Heat Crash. After all it could use a physical fire move...massive over one ton thing lands on you...bones crack...one hit K.O. Also they hinted at a connection between Primal Reversion (it's official English name) and Mega Evolution. From what they've said about Primal Reversion the one connection there is is that they both draw energy from the natural world. (Honestly I'm becoming more certain that Zygarde is the one behind Mega Evolution...or at least one of the forces.) |
I wonder how Groudon and Kyogre lost there primal forms in the first place.
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YESS, finally, after all of this "Atomic Regression" and Ancient Devolution" inconsistency/variable translating throughout the past week, we finally have an official name for the process (Primal Reversion)! I really like the name (and of course, anything with the -sion ending is practically cool by default! :P). As for the transformations themselves, I was really hoping that the English localizers would opt for the terms "Primeval Groudon/Kyogre" over "Primal Groudon/Kyogre", but whatever...I'll probably keep saying "Primeval" regardless. XD
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I read that in order to stop the raging beasts the ancient people created the orbs after the legends went to sleep. I think it may be in RSE. If so then the orbs are probably the manifestation of the Power that was taken from them. It'll explain why the beast react to them. On the official site it said they wanted more power for themselves so they clashed. Perhaps that's why they reacted to the opposite colored orb in R/S, they wanted that power. It also explains why having the orbs in HGSS summons them, it's probably similar to how the opposite Lati attacked in HGSS in order to get the Soul Dew. In other words they want their power back, and that of the legendary too...
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I think the orbs and the Soul Dew may be the mega stones for these pokemon. It makes sense, at least to me. And regardless, if they change during battle, I will still consider them Megas even though the are different.
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I do wonder if it's the orbs if they'll get rid of Magma/Aqua returning the orb scene and apoligizing to the eldery couple at Mt. Pyre. |
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Now with the mega stones they get this strength back, although only for the duration of a battle. |
Maybe they'll transform while holding it, like Giratina and the Griseous Orb. So the entire time they're holding the item, they'll be in their reverted forme. The fact it's their natural energy being tapped into makes only lasting one battle after manually being called to transform (meaning they would revert and could be battled with outside of this form in another battle like regular Mega Evolution) is an inconsistent concept to me.
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At least in Emerald, the legend does not mention where the Orbs came from. If they were created by the ancient people, I think they would have to be containers for their power, rather than manifestations of it. In Ruby and Sapphire, I remember that both Orbs do something to the legendary Pokémon. One of them (the one the version's team steals) awakens it, and the other does something else. Remember that we obtain the Orb that our version's team doesn't steal and then it shines when we approach the legendary Pokémon; it is after that happens that it battles us. I don't remember (if it is stated) what our Orb does to it. And who knows, in Emerald the Orbs may have become inert after Team Aqua and Magma used them. After Rayquaza stops Groudon and Kyogre's fight, the legend told at Mt. Pyre changes to mention that Rayquaza stopped the battle, but the Orbs are no longer mentioned. Also, they are not required to battle Groudon or Kyogre when we find them later in their caves. It may be that the Orbs only contained the power that Groudon and Kyogre needed to reawaken, and if so, their Primal Reversion may have to be triggered by some other object. The official site mentions that they got their Primal forms by absorbing nature's energy, and that in the time when they first transformed, the world was overflowing with that energy. Maybe in the present day nature's energy is not as strong, and what they need to achieve Primal Reversion is something that helps them gather enough of nature's energy from around them to temporarily activate it. |
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Yes, but even tho things get weaker, they tend to be smarter or can do things they couldn't before. I'm sure there is something else that contributed |
I think it's a combination of time and their power being drained/locked by the ancient people. After all the ancients of Hoenn did managed to lock up Regigigas which has power near the level of modern Groudon and Kyogre. Hey Regigigas should get a Primal Reversion too since it seems rusted...
Well Groudon lost it's 4x weakness against Kyogre... other than that they lost more than they could've gained... |
From the official ORAS website, it's stated that both Primal Groudon and Kyogre receive boosts to their abilities. Currently, the new forms have them listed as '???' but the website says to look out for further details regarding the hidden power of the Primal forms. Exciting stuff! :] What do you guys think these new abilities will entail?
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And I forgot to mention this in my previous post, but Rayquaza possibly forced Groudon and Kyogre to stop fighting various times during early history. I think each time Rayquaza stopped them, they may have lost their Primal forms temporarily. It would have been shortly after one of these occasions that the ancients managed to send Groudon and Kyogre into a slumber by sealing their remaining power in the Orbs. |
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