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Leaf Magics June 27th, 2014 10:14 AM

I have been thinking that we may simply get the Primal Reversion items during the story, especially if they are the Orbs.

I had been assuming that the clash between Groudon and Kyogre would happen as it did in Emerald, but what if it doesn't? The story will likely focus on our version's box legendary, so perhaps the part where they fight each other and Rayquaza is awakened will be replaced with a new scene of our legendary going out of control.

If the Primal Reversion items are the Orbs, we may get to keep them this time around after we obtain them from their shrine at Mt. Pyre. Of course, we would still probably have to revisit the summit, if only to be told that we are indeed allowed to keep them, and maybe to be taught how to use them properly, so that the Pokémon they empower doesn't go out of control, like it probably will during the story.

As for Rayquaza's Orb, it could be similar to HGSS, and we have to either obtain both Orbs (each would be version exclusive), or obtain both Groudon and Kyogre (perhaps, again similar to HGSS, only ones caught in ORAS would trigger whatever event gives us Rayquaza's Orb).

DJTiki June 27th, 2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8320327)
I have been thinking that we may simply get the Primal Reversion items during the story, especially if they are the Orbs.

I had been assuming that the clash between Groudon and Kyogre would happen as it did in Emerald, but what if it doesn't? The story will likely focus on our version's box legendary, so perhaps the part where they fight each other and Rayquaza is awakened will be replaced with a new scene of our legendary going out of control.

If the Primal Reversion items are the Orbs, we may get to keep them this time around after we obtain them from their shrine at Mt. Pyre. Of course, we would still probably have to revisit the summit, if only to be told that we are indeed allowed to keep them, and maybe to be taught how to use them properly, so that the Pokémon they empower doesn't go out of control, like it probably will during the story.

As for Rayquaza's Orb, it could be similar to HGSS, and we have to either obtain both Orbs (each would be version exclusive), or obtain both Groudon and Kyogre (perhaps, again similar to HGSS, only ones caught in ORAS would trigger whatever event gives us Rayquaza's Orb).

Primal Reversion is still a mystery, but I imagined it, how you did. With the orbs, acting like a sort of a mega stone. Rayquaza, I think won't have his own orb in game, im guessing, a sort of event maybe. I doubt Rayquaza being a primary focus on the plot

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8320327)
I have been thinking that we may simply get the Primal Reversion items during the story, especially if they are the Orbs.

I had been assuming that the clash between Groudon and Kyogre would happen as it did in Emerald, but what if it doesn't? The story will likely focus on our version's box legendary, so perhaps the part where they fight each other and Rayquaza is awakened will be replaced with a new scene of our legendary going out of control.

If the Primal Reversion items are the Orbs, we may get to keep them this time around after we obtain them from their shrine at Mt. Pyre. Of course, we would still probably have to revisit the summit, if only to be told that we are indeed allowed to keep them, and maybe to be taught how to use them properly, so that the Pokémon they empower doesn't go out of control, like it probably will during the story.

As for Rayquaza's Orb, it could be similar to HGSS, and we have to either obtain both Orbs (each would be version exclusive), or obtain both Groudon and Kyogre (perhaps, again similar to HGSS, only ones caught in ORAS would trigger whatever event gives us Rayquaza's Orb).

At first I thought the items could be exclusive. But now that I think about it, if they are the orbs they wouldn't need to be. Considering both are said to never be kept apart. So they may give us both. So perhaps we'll get the third orb after getting the opposite mascot then. Unless it's not the orbs after all...

Leaf Magics June 27th, 2014 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJTiKi (Post 8320338)
Primal Reversion is still a mystery, but I imagined it, how you did. With the orbs, acting like a sort of a mega stone. Rayquaza, I think won't have his own orb in game, im guessing, a sort of event maybe. I doubt Rayquaza being a primary focus on the plot

Well, I assume Rayquaza will have an Orb because Primal Reversion seems to be an in-battle transformation like Mega Evolution, so Rayquaza would also need something to allow it to happen, if he does receive a Primal Forme.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8320359)
At first I thought the items could be exclusive. But now that I think about it, if they are the orbs they wouldn't need to be. Considering both are said to never be kept apart. So they may give us both. So perhaps we'll get the third orb after getting the opposite mascot then. Unless it's not the orbs after all...

I like that possibility. The Orbs would be safe with the one who stopped the Team who tried stealing one of them, and who also stopped the Pokémon they awoke. And since they are supposed to stay together, giving the player both Orbs would make sense: they remain together, and they are constantly under the protection of someone who they know is a capable Trainer.

And I just thought of another possibility, if the Primal Reversion items are not the Orbs:

It could be possible that all three Pokémon use the same item to Primal Reverse, since it seems that Primal Reversion happens because of nature's energy. So, if the Reversion item is a container or a conductor for that energy, then that same single item could work for any of them, because what counts is the natural energy that the Pokémon absorbs, and all the item would do is move that natural energy from itself or from the world into the Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2014 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8320519)
Well, I assume Rayquaza will have an Orb because Primal Reversion seems to be an in-battle transformation like Mega Evolution, so Rayquaza would also need something to allow it to happen, if he does receive a Primal Forme.



I like that possibility. The Orbs would be safe with the one who stopped the Team who tried stealing one of them, and who also stopped the Pokémon they awoke. And since they are supposed to stay together, giving the player both Orbs would make sense: they remain together, and they are constantly under the protection of someone who they know is a capable Trainer.

And I just thought of another possibility, if the Primal Reversion items are not the Orbs:

It could be possible that all three Pokémon use the same item to Primal Reverse, since it seems that Primal Reversion happens because of nature's energy. So, if the Reversion item is a container or a conductor for that energy, then that same single item could work for any of them, because what counts is the natural energy that the Pokémon absorbs, and all the item would do is move that natural energy from itself or from the world into the Pokémon.

I think that the item to Primal Reverse will be attachable like a Mega stone (while the player will probably use their Mega Bracelet or a Primal version of it). I guess they could have the Mega Stone like item work for all three. I did think before what if there was a Mega stone that worked for more than one. I guess they could do that, if it's not the orbs. Or...maybe the orbs could fuse together to create the item, mimicking the power they used to have.

Pepperton June 27th, 2014 4:36 PM

The main thing that having to equip a hold item does to a Pokemon is it restricts them from utilizing useful items like Choice series, Leftovers, etc in competitive battling. However, Pokemon as naturally powerful as Kyogre and Groudon may not be as effected by this as lesser Pokemon would have.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 27th, 2014 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8320672)
The main thing that having to equip a hold item does to a Pokemon is it restricts them from utilizing useful items like Choice series, Leftovers, etc in competitive battling. However, Pokemon as naturally powerful as Kyogre and Groudon may not be as effected by this as lesser Pokemon would have.

If they'll Primal Reversion's trigger their signature moves they'll proably have a lot more to gain from holding that item indeed...


I want to see Primal Regis. Like Primal Regice can get Snow Warning as a reference to how it was made during the ice age, Primal Regirock can get Sandstream as a reference to where it's found (at least in the Hoenn and Sinnoh (well Pt) games as that wasn't the case for the Unova sequesl), Primal Registeel can get Filter (like Mega Aggron), and Primal Regigigas can get Adaptability as it is a golem which is similar to a robot, you'll think it'll be able to adapt to it's surroundings.

Salzorrah June 27th, 2014 10:49 PM

Actually, Primal Regis are not bad to see. Maybe their primal symbols could be their markings? It kinda is possible considering that they are uhm how you say, ancient, and the puzzles with Relicanth and Wailord suggest so, since Relicanth IS an ancient Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 28th, 2014 7:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8321029)
Actually, Primal Regis are not bad to see. Maybe their primal symbols could be their markings? It kinda is possible considering that they are uhm how you say, ancient, and the puzzles with Relicanth and Wailord suggest so, since Relicanth IS an ancient Pokemon.

That and Regice is said to go back to the Ice age (I'm assuming the latest one) which is said to have occurred over 8,000 years ago. Which in Pokémon time will make it older than the Unova dragons which were created 3000 years ago in the Pokeuniverse...
Regirock may have been made during the Stone age which goes is said to have ended in 6000 BC or 2000 BC.
And Registeel...well you get my point, they're OLD...but not too old which explains why Wailord and Humans were around if one trusts Regice' dex entry.

Pepperton June 28th, 2014 4:08 PM

Yeah, the Regis didn't really have much of a presence in the story line, but it could make sense for them to be more involved with the whole Primal study in ORAS. Maybe Steven sets out to collect the three of them, and asks you to help, but once you catch the three of them, you encounter Primal Regigigas! Totally unlikely, but it's always fun to speculate. d:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 28th, 2014 9:12 PM

I think they'll be held secret. But I do think they should give the Regi's something seeing how someone is Pacificlog town refers to them as guardians, titans, or powers of Hoenn. After getting all three and defeating Regigigas we may discover their primal forms. Under this scenerio the Latis will get Megas and the two trios will get Primal reversions. Jiranchi and Deoxys...may get Megas? I'll balance out the legends of Hoenn a little with them being slightly more Primal over Megas to fit in with Primal Reversion being a new thing in Hoenn.

Salzorrah June 28th, 2014 11:40 PM

I don't think that Jirachi and Deoxys are eligible for Primal Reversions as they don't have that ancient power inside of them. Considering Jirachi only wakes up every 1000 years or so, and Deoxys as a mutant alien, there's not much to be seen from them as getting all Ancient on us.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 29th, 2014 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8322451)
I don't think that Jirachi and Deoxys are eligible for Primal Reversions as they don't have that ancient power inside of them. Considering Jirachi only wakes up every 1000 years or so, and Deoxys as a mutant alien, there's not much to be seen from them as getting all Ancient on us.

Well Jiranchi is old, as you said it awakens every 1000 years. Perhaps a Primal Jiranchi used to have enough energy that it didn't need to go to sleep, but since it lost the natural energy it now needs to sleep, or something like that.

Pepperton June 29th, 2014 11:53 AM

If they don't keep Primal Reversion exclusive to Groudon and Kyogre, I think all of the other Hoenn legendary Pokemon could make a case for a devolved form. The only one that wouldn't make too much sense would be Deoxys, and even then, it's a relatively cryptic Pokemon species and something new about its past could be revealed to warrant a Primal form.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 29th, 2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8323017)
If they don't keep Primal Reversion exclusive to Groudon and Kyogre, I think all of the other Hoenn legendary Pokemon could make a case for a devolved form. The only one that wouldn't make too much sense would be Deoxys, and even then, it's a relatively cryptic Pokemon species and something new about its past could be revealed to warrant a Primal form.

Deoxys seems like a Pokemon that could get the Mewtwo treatment, getting an Omega Mega and an Alpha Mega. One could focus on making it fast and hit hard but have low defenses, while the other will be slow but hit very hard, and have high defenses. That's if they don't have it's formes change along with it's Mega that is. It's triangle can then change into the Omega sign or the Alpha sign even though it's only a Mega.

DJTiki June 29th, 2014 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8323096)
Deoxys seems like a Pokemon that could get the Mewtwo treatment, getting an Omega Mega and an Alpha Mega. One could focus on making it fast and hit hard but have low defenses, while the other will be slow but hit very hard, and have high defenses. That's if they don't have it's formes change along with it's Mega that is. It's triangle can then change into the Omega sign or the Alpha sign even though it's only a Mega.

Sooooo a Deoxys-Attack forme mega, and a Deoxys-Defense mega.....? Lol. That would be cool, but Deoxys-Attack is already HUGE. Getting a buff in that, and having its max base power be over 500, no thank you. Focus Sash, Swords Dance, then extremespeed everything :o

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 29th, 2014 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJTiKi (Post 8323126)
Sooooo a Deoxys-Attack forme mega, and a Deoxys-Defense mega.....? Lol. That would be cool, but Deoxys-Attack is already HUGE. Getting a buff in that, and having its max base power be over 500, no thank you. Focus Sash, Swords Dance, then extremespeed everything :o

Well, it wouldn't be able to use Focus Sash. But other than that you're right... Maybe beef up it's weak stats? Like Speed forme Deoxys will get somewhat better attack and defenses while in Mega. Defense forme Mega Deoxys can get better attack and speed. Attack forme Mega Deoxys can have far better defenses and be slightly faster. Normal forme Deoxys will get 20 added to each of the non-HP stats.

Maybe they shouldn't allow it to change formes while in Mega like I wanted after all...

I hope that they Primal Regigigas will have a better ability if it's made. It'll fit as it will regain the power it used to have which it used to break up the continents.

DJTiki June 29th, 2014 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8323136)
Well, it wouldn't be able to use Focus Sash. But other than that you're right... Maybe beef up it's weak stats? Like Speed forme Deoxys will get somewhat better attack and defenses while in Mega. Defense forme Mega Deoxys can get better attack and speed. Attack forme Mega Deoxys can have far better defenses and be slightly faster. Normal forme Deoxys will get 20 added to each of the non-HP stats.

Yeah, I would prefer it to buff its weaker stats, so that it'd could sorta achieve a stronger Deoxts-Standard forme. So Attack would get speed, defense, and sp.def boost, Defense, would get, speed, Attack and Sp.Attack boost, and Speed forme(if it happens) gets a slight boost to everything but its speed.

Pepperton June 30th, 2014 3:56 PM

To me, Deoxys looks like a futuristic Pokemon, kind of similar to Genesect, but in that it wasn't created by humans, something like an alien species from the future, with the obvious ability to manipulate time, as their brains are more powerful than the average human and have invented technology we haven't come close to creating. That's what Deoxys is in my eyes, and that's not a Pokemon that would receive a Primal form, I think haha d:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 30th, 2014 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8324801)
To me, Deoxys looks like a futuristic Pokemon, kind of similar to Genesect, but in that it wasn't created by humans, something like an alien species from the future, with the obvious ability to manipulate time, as their brains are more powerful than the average human and have invented technology we haven't come close to creating. That's what Deoxys is in my eyes, and that's not a Pokemon that would receive a Primal form, I think haha d:

It's actually a Virus that has come to life thanks to radiation (the anime and manga imply that it was from human machines), but it's still an alien. Not like Clefairy or Elygem, but still an alien...virus.


I would love to see a Primal Jiranchi.
Also for a Primal Regigigas perhaps they'll give it an ability where it can use Giga Impact and Hyper Beam without needing to recharge...like 'Quick recharge'

Pepperton June 30th, 2014 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8324857)
It's actually a Virus that has come to life thanks to radiation (the anime and manga imply that it was from human machines), but it's still an alien. Not like Clefairy or Elygem, but still an alien...virus.

Yeah, as I said, an alien. Obviously, everything is in the realm of possibility as it's just a game, but in this case I find it hard to believe that they give Deoxys a Primal form, for this reason. Other Hoenn legendary Pokemon like the Regis, Rayquaza, and even [email protected] can have a case made for them, but not Deoxys, imho. Jirachi is unique, to say the least, haha. I'm just really curious to see where Primal Reversion goes d:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 30th, 2014 9:19 PM

Well [email protected] getting Primal is shot down by them having Megas...unless they use stones similar to Mega Stones...

Salzorrah June 30th, 2014 11:26 PM

I'm not too convinced that the Latis get Primals because, as ORAS said, they had megas. They will be just as OP as Charizard or Mewtwo, having two "transformations" :/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 30th, 2014 11:58 PM

@ Avant-garde Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm hoping Rayquaza only gets one Primal reversion opposed to two like some people mentioned earlier in the thread. Plus Primal implies original, and it'll be strange for it to have two since neither would be it's 'original' self.

Salzorrah July 1st, 2014 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8325299)
@ Avant-garde Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm hoping Rayquaza only gets one Primal reversion opposed to two like some people mentioned earlier in the thread. Plus Primal implies original, and it'll be strange for it to have two since neither would be it's 'original' self.

True. It wouldn't make sense to have two ancient beings that evolve to one single being. What if they did one Primal and one Mega for him instead of two Primal that you had been suggesting.


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