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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 1:27 AM

If they do a Primal and a Mega for Rayquaza they can put it's Mega in OmegaRuby and it's Primal in AlphaSapphire to fit the titles. But still, it'll be kind of unfair towards the other two. I didn't like how they gave Charizard two Megas while the other two got one either.

Nah July 1st, 2014 8:20 AM

I don't really see the point in giving Rayquaza both a Mega Evolution and a Primal form, especially when Mega Evolution and Primal Reversion seem to share some similarities/may be possibly linked to each other.

Yes, Mewtwo got 2 mega evos, but I'd like to think that's more of an exception and not a rule.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 8:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Salt&PepperDiner (Post 8325612)
I don't really see the point in giving Rayquaza both a Mega Evolution and a Primal form, especially when Mega Evolution and Primal Reversion seem to share some similarities/may be possibly linked to each other.

Yes, Mewtwo got 2 mega evos, but I'd like to think that's more of an exception and not a rule.

I agree, it would seem odd. However, that closeness could also be used to argue for them. I rather it have one, and have Mewtwo be the last one to get two Megas, or more than one...

Leaf Magics July 1st, 2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8320672)
The main thing that having to equip a hold item does to a Pokemon is it restricts them from utilizing useful items like Choice series, Leftovers, etc in competitive battling.

I see that the other way around. Instead of preventing Mega Pokémon from being able to have a useful item, they are allowing the regular versions of those Pokémon to have a useful item that lets them Mega Evolve. It would be the same with Primal Reversion if it required a held item.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 3:08 PM

I'll like to see Relancanth get a Primal (and perhaps the only non-legendary to get one) but I don't know how it'll look...guess it's time to check out it's real life inspiration's evolution line.

Pepperton July 1st, 2014 5:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8325796)
I see that the other way around. Instead of preventing Mega Pokémon from being able to have a useful item, they are allowing the regular versions of those Pokémon to have a useful item that lets them Mega Evolve. It would be the same with Primal Reversion if it required a held item.

Sure, but imagine if Mega evolutions were able to use items like the Choice series. That's probably why they made Mega stones, to keep them from being too overpowered. May be the same thing with Primal forms, depending on how much of a buff it gives the Pokemon. Also, it could be that Groudon and Kyogre get significant stat boosts, but other Primal form Pokemon don't get too much from it other than a slight change in their design, or something of the sort.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 5:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8326106)
Sure, but imagine if Mega evolutions were able to use items like the Choice series. That's probably why they made Mega stones, to keep them from being too overpowered. May be the same thing with Primal forms, depending on how much of a buff it gives the Pokemon. Also, it could be that Groudon and Kyogre get significant stat boosts, but other Primal form Pokemon don't get too much from it other than a slight change in their design, or something of the sort.

If they do give Primals to other Pokemon I hope they all get the same total stat boost. I expect the stat increase to be the same as Megas or at least close to the 100 stat increase. Maybe even more...

Master Krillin July 1st, 2014 6:47 PM

I don't think any normal Pokemon will get a "Primal Devolution". Primal Devolution is a Pokemon returning to is primal form normal poke don't have a primal form, like take Vileplume for example, "Primal" Vileplume would be Gloom and "Primal" Gloom would Oddish and "Primal" Oddish is well Lv 1 Oddish think about it.........

Anywhoo as far as gameplay goes I think Primal Devolution will be like Mega Evolution but with a draw back as in loss of defenses or speed because the Pokemon is going back to its Primal form more brute power but less refined more reckless.

Leaf Magics July 1st, 2014 7:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8326118)
If they do give Primals to other Pokemon I hope they all get the same total stat boost. I expect the stat increase to be the same as Megas or at least close to the 100 stat increase. Maybe even more...

If they get a large stat increase by Primal Reversion, and it is a free Forme change, then there would be little reason to use the regular Pokémon. Why use a regular Kyogre, when you can use a Primal one with higher stats and an upgraded Ability that can just as well carry some Choice item or Leftovers?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8326282)
If they get a large stat increase by Primal Reversion, and it is a free Forme change, then there would be little reason to use the regular Pokémon. Why use a regular Kyogre, when you can use a Primal one with higher stats and an upgraded Ability that can just as well carry some Choice item or Leftovers?

The trailer shows them transforming in battle, resembling how Mega Evolution is activated but with the Omega/Alpha sign taking the place of the helix and the sphere is the color of a Ruby/Sapphire instead of Black/White seen in Mega activations. So likely it'll require an item similar a Mega stone to be given to them. Rubite and Sapphite? Or maybe Ancient Ruby and Ancient Sapphire...they can be the orb's true form.

Leaf Magics July 1st, 2014 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8326407)
The trailer shows them transforming in battle, resembling how Mega Evolution is activated but with the Omega/Alpha sign taking the place of the helix and the sphere is the color of a Ruby/Sapphire instead of Black/White seen in Mega activations. So likely it'll require an item similar a Mega stone to be given to them. Rubite and Sapphite? Or maybe Ancient Ruby and Ancient Sapphire...they can be the orb's true form.

I know. I was still talking about Mega Evolutions (and most likely Primal Reversions) being item effects, rather than Pokémon with a no-item penalty. Maybe I should have quoted Pepperton instead, but I thought that what you brought up about stat increases was a good way to explain what I was thinking.

Salzorrah July 1st, 2014 11:12 PM

Rubite and Sapphite sounds awesome tbh. What if Rubite primal reverses Kyogre and Sapphite primal reverses Groudon? It kinda match up when Archie or Maxie use the other orb to awaken the duo when in reality, the true orb needs to be used in order to gain its potential?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 11:23 PM

That could be, but it'll be strange as their animation is red and blue so maybe it's our orb that it absorbs. What if the main character ends up accidentally awakening their Primal forms? Like Groudon could steal the Red orb and turn it to it's true form, and the same goes for Groudon. Then the stones react to our Mega Bracelet (as the MC apperantly can bond with very Pokémon as seen in XY when one can instantly Mega evolve a recently caught mon...) and activate Primal formes. I'll be a "What have I done?" for both the antagonists and us...

Salzorrah July 1st, 2014 11:41 PM

Or maybe have the Rubite blue and Sapphite red? What if the orbs contact with the mechanism like you said and it magically turns to the stone? Yeah, I could see that potentially happening.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 1st, 2014 11:54 PM

The thing though is that a red Sapphire is a ruby, and a blue ruby is a sapphire. They're the same stone but the color of it is what gives it the name, so it'll be very odd for them to be reversed.

Something I'm looking forward to is seeing how long Primal Reversion will be a focus... Mega Evolution in XY dropped off after the third gym, and somewhat came back as plot significant with Lysander's makeshift Mega machine. And there was that little scene post game with the sun dial. I hope it is spread out and well covered, especially since the mascots are in their Primal reversions in the box art.

MrGriszell July 2nd, 2014 3:39 AM

Anyone else think that the strange souvenir looks like it could be linked to primal evolution ? They say it's from an unknown region , could that region just be filled with prehistoric pokemon we've never seen before ,

Leaf Magics July 2nd, 2014 9:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8326549)
That could be, but it'll be strange as their animation is red and blue so maybe it's our orb that it absorbs. What if the main character ends up accidentally awakening their Primal forms? Like Groudon could steal the Red orb and turn it to it's true form, and the same goes for Groudon. Then the stones react to our Mega Bracelet (as the MC apperantly can bond with very Pokémon as seen in XY when one can instantly Mega evolve a recently caught mon...) and activate Primal formes. I'll be a "What have I done?" for both the antagonists and us...

What do you mean by true form? Do you think the Orbs have changed since the time they stopped the fight between Groudon and Kyogre?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 2nd, 2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Magics (Post 8327159)
What do you mean by true form? Do you think the Orbs have changed since the time they stopped the fight between Groudon and Kyogre?

I think that perhaps they've grown weaker over time. The orbs we see now maybe the crystal surrounded by a round casing. There are real life stones in which are covered by other kinds of stones, so it could be an energy version of that.

I think that Kyurem could use a Primal seeing how it's energy has leaked over the years...of course chances are some of that energy was the other two dragons...so maybe a Primal that is activated differently than the Weather trio's.

Iceshadow3317 July 2nd, 2014 11:33 AM

Perhaps Kyurem could have a stone, but only be used when it is Black and White Kyurem? This forced you to use the DNA Splicer, but makes it even stronger? But that would almost be too over powered unless they give it only 60 base stats which would then put it around the same as Mega Mewtwo. ( I say only 60 because DNA Splicer increased stats by 40.)

This would also allow us to see the true one dragon.


As for them getting slower with primal versions, I would think they would be faster due to the fact that they are younger.

Omicron July 2nd, 2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8325981)
I'll like to see Relancanth get a Primal (and perhaps the only non-legendary to get one) but I don't know how it'll look...guess it's time to check out it's real life inspiration's evolution line.

I would also like Fossil Pokémon and Pokémon that evolve by learning Ancient Power (Mamoswine, Tangrowth and Yanmega) to get a Primal Reversion. These are the only mons I feel it would be natural for to get a Primal Reversion.

Leaf Magics July 2nd, 2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8327288)
I think that perhaps they've grown weaker over time. The orbs we see now maybe the crystal surrounded by a round casing. There are real life stones in which are covered by other kinds of stones, so it could be an energy version of that.

I think that Kyurem could use a Primal seeing how it's energy has leaked over the years...of course chances are some of that energy was the other two dragons...so maybe a Primal that is activated differently than the Weather trio's.

I'm not sure, the legend says that the orbs stopped their last battle. That seems to mean that they were already spheres back when Groudon and Kyogre were most powerful, when they were fighting each other.

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Originally Posted by Iceman3317 (Post 8327327)
Perhaps Kyurem could have a stone, but only be used when it is Black and White Kyurem? This forced you to use the DNA Splicer, but makes it even stronger? But that would almost be too over powered unless they give it only 60 base stats which would then put it around the same as Mega Mewtwo. ( I say only 60 because DNA Splicer increased stats by 40.)

This would also allow us to see the true one dragon.


As for them getting slower with primal versions, I would think they would be faster due to the fact that they are younger.

I always wanted to see the complete form of Kyurem. If I understand you correctly, I agree with your method for bringing it back.

Just to be clear, I think it could be able to regain its original form by fusing itself with either Reshiram or Zekrom, and then holding something that contains some power from the remaining dragon. So White Kyurem should hold something like the Dark Stone, and Black Kyurem should hold something like the Light Stone. This would allow the fused Kyurem to draw power from the stone it holds and hopefully become complete once more, even if it is just during the battle. Was that what you were suggesting?

And about Pokémon becoming younger because of Primal Reversion: I do not think that Primal Reversion is a Pokémon returning to how it was in the past, but rather a Pokémon gaining power and transforming by absorbing natural energy.

Pepperton July 2nd, 2014 4:23 PM

Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 2nd, 2014 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8327661)
Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

I think they will restrict us to one per battle. Imagine if one had all three Primal weather trio (assuming Rayquaza will get one) in one team. Another question is if one can have only a Mega or a Primal instead of potentially one of each.

The site says the Pokémon regain their original form or something like that. Also the orb legend is kind of tricky as in Emerald the orbs were replaced by Rayquaza. So maybe they'll reference Emerald by removing the orbs RS role and instead make it into the stone for Primal Reversion and have Rayquaza calm down the Primal Reversion (not needing to be in it's own as it's not going up against both?) mascot long enough for us to capture it or defeat it.

Leaf Magics July 2nd, 2014 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8327661)
Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

I think I've said it before, but we will probably be restricted to only one Mega OR Primal per team; if we use a Primal Reversion, we cannot use any Mega Evolutions, and if we use a Mega Evolution, we cannot use any Primal Reversions. Also, most likely only one Pokémon in our team may Primal Reverse each battle, like it is currently with Mega Evolutions.

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8327690)
The site says the Pokémon regain their original form or something like that. Also the orb legend is kind of tricky as in Emerald the orbs were replaced by Rayquaza. So maybe they'll reference Emerald by removing the orbs RS role and instead make it into the stone for Primal Reversion and have Rayquaza calm down the Primal Reversion (not needing to be in it's own as it's not going up against both?) mascot long enough for us to capture it or defeat it.

The Orb legend is present in Emerald. It just is not mentioned after the battle at Sootpolis City. Of course, there is a good amount of things they could explain or add about the Orbs, but as it is now, it seems to me that they have always been orbs.

And the site actually says that Primal Reversion is a transformation that happens because of nature's power:

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Brimming with the overwhelming power granted to them by nature’s energy, their transformation was named "Primal Reversion" by later people.
I think this may also mean that Groudon and Kyogre were not originally Primal.

Iceshadow3317 July 2nd, 2014 7:39 PM

This is from serebii.

"A new feature introduced in Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire is Primal/Primal/Primeval Pokémon. These Pokémon seem to work in a similar manner to Mega Evolution through a process called Primal Reversion, and sends the Pokémon back to their Primal state. Full details on this feature are not known."

And no, I was saying they could give something to Black or White Kyruem just to do a primal reversion, meaning it goes back to how it was in the past. This would bring the complete dragon.


I think nature's energy was the power that Arceus gave them and then when they got out of control, the people made something to lock their power away.


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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8327661)
Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

Primal are like Megas that is all so they will probably follow the same rule, meaning that you can only have 1 Mega/Primal in a battle period.


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