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Salzorrah May 9th, 2014 9:05 PM

XY + ORAS = Possible 3rd Version Convergence?
 
So, this was thinking on my mind for so long but with XY's storyline already intriguing, and with the announcement of ORAS, do you think GF will pull a storyline that could tie up with X and Y's and it would eventually lead up to the storyline of the 3rd Version?

What do you think about this? Discuss!

Evening May 9th, 2014 9:18 PM

It is possible, because the other remakes had ties with their respective generations.

antemortem May 9th, 2014 9:20 PM

Are you suggesting AZ will be involved in Hoenn? I doubt it and kind of hope he isn't. I don't want anything intermingling with my glorious RSE remakes. I'm far too excited for weird outside things to be interfering and ruining anything.

Wicked3DS May 9th, 2014 9:21 PM

This is definitely something I'd like to see. It hasn't happened to a great extent in any games yet, but that doesn't mean it won't for sure. If I had to guess, no, because they tend not to do this except for Kanto + Johto.

Salzorrah May 9th, 2014 9:22 PM

Oh I'm not saying AZ will appear in Hoenn, but maybe make a sotryline that can somehow intertwine with XY's and that could potentially lead to the 3rd Version's storyline happening? I know I kinda worded it wrong tho :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 9th, 2014 9:30 PM

Not really. Maybe they'll do something extra that fits with the Kalos region. Like Firered and Leafgreen had the Ruby and Sapphire stone quests in order to trade with Ruby and Sapphire. While they don't necessary have to make such a quest a requirement to trade it'll be fun to have another event similar to that in the Kanto remakes. They could even have it in a new area like in the Kanto scenerio.

Elaitenstile May 9th, 2014 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8241881)
Not really. Maybe they'll do something extra that fits with the Kalos region. Like Firered and Leafgreen had the Ruby and Sapphire stone quests in order to trade with Ruby and Sapphire. While they don't necessary have to make such a quest a requirement to trade it'll be fun to have another event similar to that in the Kanto remakes. They could even have it in a new area like in the Kanto scenerio.

Yeah, that could be interesting, we would be lead to an inter-region crisis. It could be a perfect new area to explore imo, and it may need that to trade in our beloved X&Y Pokémon.

Jacrad May 10th, 2014 1:08 AM

Yes. I think between the environmental nightmare Kyogre and Groudon unleash on Hoenn and the secret power Zygarde only unleashes when the ecosystem of Kalos is thrown into chaos that there could be some sort of convenient tie-in.

I can't imagine that Team Aqua and Team Magma's actions didn't have side-effects. I am also not inclined to believe that the havoc the two legendaries wreaked upon Hoenn didn't have any impact outside of Hoenn. The world is interconnected. Massive changes in one region of the world will undoubtedly have an impact on the others.

Now I won't claim to say I think that is going happen in the 'next' installment. But I think it'd be a huge missed opportunity on GameFreak's part. It could also be an interesting chance to do a prequel. I think it'd be better for X and Y to be later in the timeline. The impact of Hoenn's supernatural disasters will probably have settled for the most part even just a few years after their occurrence. X and Y make no effort to establish there being any issues with the weather. If anything, Zygarde's presence underground would indicate everything's fine. But if they did a prequel it could be used in a lot of fun ways.
The prequel could explain why Zygarde is underground and pretty weak for a legendary. It's recovering from when it had to use its secret power!
Not only this, but Team Aqua and Team Magma's actions could even be used as the catalyst that sets Lysandre over the edge and leads to the formation of Team Flare. The sheer devastation the legendaries from Hoenn caused could even be used as a justification for why Lysandre doesn't want to try and spare Pokemon. It's for the greater good, they're too dangerous!

blue May 10th, 2014 2:14 AM

If they include the Mega Evolutions and introduce a couple of new additions then I'd say yes, I'm not entirely sure how but I think these two games will connect up with X & Y somehow.

Skystrike May 10th, 2014 2:17 AM

I really don't think something like this would happen. R/S/E's plot kind of does set the stage for it, but how would that affect the timeline?

Sonata May 10th, 2014 2:20 AM

Maybe Pokemon will be in Kingdom Hearts. I mean, XYORAS is just ROXAS all jumbled up and with an extra Y chromosome.

But I don't think there will be anything like a tie-in storyline with XY unless it's like some DLC.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 10th, 2014 6:20 AM

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Originally Posted by O'aka XXIII (Post 8242254)
Maybe Pokemon will be in Kingdom Hearts. I mean, XYORAS is just ROXAS all jumbled up and with an extra Y chromosome.

But I don't think there will be anything like a tie-in storyline with XY unless it's like some DLC.

Wait a moment...the remakes are Sora rearranged... and Sora= Sky which equals Rayquaza...

Maybe they'll make the Kanto like event I mentioned in my earlier post. Except they could tie it up to Mega Evolution instead of Trading.

moon May 10th, 2014 7:23 AM

Maybe... But R/S/E is said to happen around the same time as FR/LG, and X/Y takes place long after (at least years later, judging from how HG/SS is years after FR/LG and then BW being somewhere after that and BW2 and X/Y even more years after that). So whatever they make ORAS be about, there'll be quite a lot of time in the timeline of the games before stuff in a third Kalos game would happen. Unless of course Z ends up being a prequel to X/Y somehow ;)

But I feel it's more likely that it's how it was with R/S - FR/LG - Emerald; they just happened to release the remakes before the third game.

Lusus May 10th, 2014 7:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyain (Post 8242252)
I really don't think something like this would happen. R/S/E's plot kind of does set the stage for it, but how would that affect the timeline?

If anything, it will probably be minor, like Ruins of Alph getting tied to Arceus in Johto remakes or something

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 10th, 2014 7:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor (Post 8242688)
Maybe... But R/S/E is said to happen around the same time as FR/LG, and X/Y takes place long after (at least years later, judging from how HG/SS is years after FR/LG and then BW being somewhere after that and BW2 and X/Y even more years after that). So whatever they make ORAS be about, there'll be quite a lot of time in the timeline of the games before stuff in a third Kalos game would happen. Unless of course Z ends up being a prequel to X/Y somehow ;)

But I feel it's more likely that it's how it was with R/S - FR/LG - Emerald; they just happened to release the remakes before the third game.

It is a very long time indeed...

Like you mentioned it probably doesn't mean much, it's just Generation 3's order all over again. I felt the Gen IV games referenced the remakes and the remakes the Sinnoh games more so than the Gen III games did.

Altairis May 10th, 2014 8:30 AM

I really hope that they don't connect XY to Hoenn at all. Hoenn was my favorite, and XY one of my least favorites honestly, so I hope the only connection we see between the two is being able to trade.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 10th, 2014 8:46 AM

I wonder if they'll even be a connection. I noticed that in Gen V and XY they didn't mention Magma and Aqua except for B2W2 and that was only available to be read during the winter... however Galactic, Rocket, and Plasma show up a lot more. One would think that these eco-terrorist groups would be talked about more...
It's possible no one outside of Hoenn really knew what happened there...

seeker May 10th, 2014 9:30 AM

I don't think so. The timelines are different. R/S/E is based at the same time as R/B/Y (FRLG). There's also the fact that Kalos is based on France, so probably far away from Hoenn which is somewhere much closer to Kanto, Johto, and so forth to the Eastern side of the planet. So I reckon there will be references to Kalos, but subtle ones the same was as there was relating to Hoenn in X&Y. Though the fact is, remakes haven't yet tied into the third installment of the primary games of the generation. I don't think this will be a case of where this happens, especially due to the distance and timeline factors.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 10th, 2014 9:54 AM

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Originally Posted by abnegation (Post 8242910)
I don't think so. The timelines are different. R/S/E is based at the same time as R/B/Y (FRLG). There's also the fact that Kalos is based on France, so probably far away from Hoenn which is somewhere much closer to Kanto, Johto, and so forth to the Eastern side of the planet. So I reckon there will be references to Kalos, but subtle ones the same was as there was relating to Hoenn in X&Y. Though the fact is, remakes haven't yet tied into the third installment of the primary games of the generation. I don't think this will be a case of where this happens, especially due to the distance and timeline factors.

Yeah. It seems like something more fitting for the Sinnoh mascots who control space and time to pull a move like that.

Unova references will probably be subtle too. After all New York city (Unova) is farther from Kyushu (Hoenn) than France (Kalos) is (by plane).

Pepperton May 13th, 2014 8:05 PM

Hoenn has so many unique parts to it that clash with the Kalos region that I don't see this happening. ORAS will already have its hands full remaking the vast, detailed Hoenn for it to include parts of Kalos alongside them. It wouldn't logically make sense either with the timeline of the games.

Taemin May 13th, 2014 9:03 PM

The two regions being tied through Mega Evolution is a good theory, buuuut when last I checked we have no proof that Mega Evolution will be in the remakes. I don't think that they'll be tied into a third game, if one is released. Two Pokemon generations have never merged to any extent that was more than just a couple of references, and I just don't see them starting now. D:

Rivvon May 13th, 2014 9:13 PM

If these had been sequels instead of remakes, I would say it's more likely, but since these are indeed remakes I find the possibility waning.

Because of the timeline distance, and the physical distance between the regions, if there was "3rd version convergence," the 3rd version would have to be drastically different from XY: connecting it to a team that has been defunct for many years already messes with the plot behind XY, moreso than the differences between DP and P.

I will admit, though, that the titles using Omega and Alpha definitely call up some similarities (AZ, and just the use of another alphabet in general) between ORAS and XY. I definitely remember reading some theories that "instead of Z, we will get Alpha and Omega" before the ORAS announcement, so until we know what kind of game(s) we'll get next we can never really be quite certain. Doctor brings up the interesting possibility of a prequel "3rd version," and that's always an option, too!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2014 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8249686)
If these had been sequels instead of remakes, I would say it's more likely, but since these are indeed remakes I find the possibility waning.

Because of the timeline distance, and the physical distance between the regions, if there was "3rd version convergence," the 3rd version would have to be drastically different from XY: connecting it to a team that has been defunct for many years already messes with the plot behind XY, moreso than the differences between DP and P.

I will admit, though, that the titles using Omega and Alpha definitely call up some similarities (AZ, and just the use of another alphabet in general) between ORAS and XY. I definitely remember reading some theories that "instead of Z, we will get Alpha and Omega" before the ORAS announcement, so until we know what kind of game(s) we'll get next we can never really be quite certain. Doctor brings up the interesting possibility of a prequel "3rd version," and that's always an option, too!

Speaking of prequels, while I don't think ORAS will impact anything in the third version/sequels, perhaps they'll treat these remakes as prequels to XY. After all they do take place in the past. One good thing I can see about connecting the two is that the world's climate is interconnected. While Groudon and Kyogre may have only impacted weather (short-term) had they kept it on for longer it would've changed the face of the world. Perhaps they'll tweak it in the remakes so that it does last longer...

Rivvon May 13th, 2014 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8249713)
Speaking of prequels, while I don't think ORAS will impact anything in the third version/sequels, perhaps they'll treat these remakes as prequels to XY. After all they do take place in the past. One good thing I can see about connecting the two is that the world's climate is interconnected. While Groudon and Kyogre may have only impacted weather (short-term) had they kept it on for longer it would've changed the face of the world. Perhaps they'll tweak it in the remakes so that it does last longer...

That's definitely a possibility. All it takes is for a small cameo or two, and a reference thrown here or there about Kalos, and they could definitely tie the games together at least loosely. I also appreciate that you mention Groudon and Kyogre's impact...Hoenn definitely doesn't exist in a bubble, so it's true that any longer and Magma/Aqua could have seriously harmed the entire world!

Pure speculation time! Since Zygarde supposedly "awakens" when Kalos's ecosystem is in danger, perhaps Groudon and Kyogre go on a rampage for so long, Kalos feels its effects and that sets off Zygarde in whatever next game(s) we get? It seems unlikely, but anything's a possibility at this point!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2014 9:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8249722)
That's definitely a possibility. All it takes is for a small cameo or two, and a reference thrown here or there about Kalos, and they could definitely tie the games together at least loosely. I also appreciate that you mention Groudon and Kyogre's impact...Hoenn definitely doesn't exist in a bubble, so it's true that any longer and Magma/Aqua could have seriously harmed the entire world!

Pure speculation time! Since Zygarde supposedly "awakens" when Kalos's ecosystem is in danger, perhaps Groudon and Kyogre go on a rampage for so long, Kalos feels its effects and that sets off Zygarde in whatever next game(s) we get? It seems unlikely, but anything's a possibility at this point!

About the bubble. In the Fiore games after the end of the games and the two appear to look hurt. Some speculate that it happened after the battle in Emerald. If so than the effects would've probably have been felt there (and in Sinnoh if one is to believe that Fiore is next to Sinnoh) unless stopped.


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