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Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289655)
Nothing's wrong with Mega Charizard except that: one, it's becoming very overused in the Pokémon media; and two, I'm sure people are worried that Charizard will be Steven's only Mega. If he had different Megas each time you fought him I guess it would be okay, but he's a Steel-Type Master. It's shocking to see him with a Charizard of all things.

What's wrong with it being overused? It's one of the series' iconic Pokémon. And I'm sure he won't use it for battle, though it's not like the game would instantly suck because he uses Charizard in his team. I mean, I'd have preferred Diantha to have a Kalos main, but 1) no Kalos Pokémon had a Mega at the time and 2) Gardevoir fits her anyway.

MarinoKadame June 7th, 2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289655)
Nothing's wrong with Mega Charizard except that: one, it's becoming very overused in the Pokémon media; and two, I'm sure people are worried that Charizard will be Steven's only Mega. If he had different Megas each time you fought him I guess it would be okay, but he's a Steel-Type Master. It's shocking to see him with a Charizard of all things.

It's maybe Red's Charizard he brought from his trip to Kanto. Since Red has a Mega Charizard X in Origins.

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289663)
What's wrong with it being overused? It's one of the series' iconic Pokémon. And I'm sure he won't use it for battle, though it's not like the game would instantly suck because he uses Charizard in his team. I mean, I'd have preferred Diantha to have a Kalos main, but 1) no Kalos Pokémon had a Mega at the time and 2) Gardevoir fits her anyway.

Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

"HoneyClaws" June 7th, 2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289605)
May and Brendan follow a design trend seen since 4th gen. I don't see anything wrong with them. In fact May looks cuter than her old self..

The trainer redesigns are probably the only thing I really don't like. They ruined them to me, and yes its preferencial but simply from the oddity in the choice of designs now. Why is May's already badass bandana turned backwards? Omg.....

ShadowSlashz June 7th, 2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289667)
Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

Yeah I agree plus I think that the mega charizard kind of ruins the whole idea of a steel champion and In my opinion should not be in a remake.

Spinosaurus June 7th, 2014 11:45 AM

Yeah I'm not a fan of Charizard's overusage at all. It feels like pandering, and it's repetitive.

It wouldn't make sense for Steve to have one considering his type is steel, a type that didn't exist in Zard's own gen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289667)
Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

Treecko June 7th, 2014 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8289565)
Man these designs are atrocious.

I hate Ken Sugimori's new art. :/

I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.



Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

FlamebirdXZ June 7th, 2014 11:48 AM

I love the designs for mega sceptile and mega swampert! I'm gonna be choosing both since I plan on getting both versions. The only thing I find unnecessary is lightning rod on sceptile. It doesnt make sense. Thick fat would of made it OP though.

I'm not liking the bow on May. I prefer her bandanna and her hair and eyes look a little off. Brendan looks a little weird too. I think its the eyes. I wish they kept his short bangs though. I liked the mystery of not knowing whether he had white hair or a white hat lol I hope we can customize their hair like in x and y

I love all of team aqua's redesigns, but I only like the grunts and the female admin in team Magma. I think they butchered Maxie and the male Admin

Cyclone June 7th, 2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 8289611)
what do u need fresh water for?

This used to be a separate thread and got merged into a huge thread. Was a completely different train of thought when I brought up wanting to see the other power plant doors used, as in Diancie be linked to it. And I then remembered the Fresh Water guy is there. Nothing more.

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289680)
Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

This is what I'm hoping for, so, so, so much. It would be a bit more acceptable if this was the case.

FlamebirdXZ June 7th, 2014 11:52 AM

Yea their proportions are weird. Why are they so skinny!!!

blue June 7th, 2014 11:52 AM

I think I prefer how Team Aqua have been redesigned over Team Magma, but they both look spectacular. I'm really impressed with how they've gone with these two.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kouzan (Post 8289682)
I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.



Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

Looking at Brendan he was so pale in the RS art...he got more color in Emerald and even more now.

I hope that we can get their original outfits at some point. My favorite out of the three is the Emerald outfit.

Treecko June 7th, 2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289700)
Looking at Brendan he was so pale in the RS art...he got more color in Emerald and even more now.

I hope that we can get their original outfits at some point. My favorite out of the three is the Emerald outfit.

They got a tan it seems. It really fits too since they're on a tropical region. (Even though they just moved from Johto which isn't tropical.)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kouzan (Post 8289706)
They got a tan it seems. It really fits too since they're on a tropical region. (Even though they just moved from Johto which isn't tropical.)

Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

Cyclone June 7th, 2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289711)
Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

I subscribe to this since May appeared in the anime. Granted, the male rarely if ever appears in the anime, so what do I know?

Steven June 7th, 2014 12:39 PM

Mega Diance..maybe Diancie will be available in-game in ORAS? Just a small hopeful thought which is unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8289675)
Yeah I'm not a fan of Charizard's overusage at all. It feels like pandering, and it's repetitive.

It wouldn't make sense for Steve to have one considering his type is steel, a type that didn't exist in Zard's own gen.

I think they might be lazy about the hunt for mega-evolutions and just make it so Stephen will randomly have one on his team every day. When you beat him you get the mega stone. Please don't do this Gamefreak. :(

Treecko June 7th, 2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289711)
Well one of them did. Perhaps May is the Canon player and Branden is the canon Rival xD.

I was slightly thrownback by Maxie's redesign at first but after looking at his glasses I liked it better seeing how they fit him well :).

I'm still gonna assume that your rival is based on which gender is picked, but I think I get what you're saying.

And thank the Lord for fanart cause they make them look way better.


fenyx4 June 7th, 2014 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289587)
I heard someone on the art thread that it was someone else...grr can't trust anyone...

Well the socks are probably small, in XY one can barely see them in the models as the socks aren't long socks.

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289605)
I don't mind the redesigns. The Team Magma girl looks cute. <3 And Tabitha needed a makeover, he looked too similar to regular grunts in the old games.

To anyone complaining about evil team redesigns... Back in HGSS we got new Rocket Admins and no one complained. If you want strictly the same game, fire up RSE in an emulator and give this one a pass.

It's weird to me that people want the remakes but hate change. If things weren't changed, what would be the point of playing the game?

Although Tabitha looked rather similar to the male Team Magma Grunts of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, there are other ways to make him look a little more distinct than just going "LOL he's fat now." I mean, not to knock people of that type of girth, but the portly redesign of Tabitha just seems insulting to the original design of Tabitha. And on the fandom side of things, he's going to get so much grief from both his name (Tabitha seems to be a usually-feminine name) and his size (in that it starkly contrasts his original leanness).

As for Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, to my knowledge, the 4 Rocket Admins didn't really have any "old" designs from Generation 2 other than generic Team Rocket Grunt artwork (which practically everyone uses for Team Rocket bar Giovanni, IIRC. Additionally, I don't even know if there was any female Team Rocket Grunt artwork prior to Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen, so there's that.) In my opinion, the designs granted to the Rocket Admins with the advent of HG/SS mesh well with the standard Rocket Grunt designs anyway (lean design, usage of dark colors for the most part, with the white colors receiving precedence in other Team Rocket outfits). Ariana retains red hair (possibly looking even more imposing/elite than the Generation 2 design) and Archer still looks menacing, so that's not too much fuss. Archer, Proton, and Petrel all looked rather similar, so I guess people were in favor of them being "redesigned" (which wasn't too drastic, in my opinion); and at least you can still take Proton and Petrel's redesigns seriously.

However, with Team Magma, we apparently now have, for lack of a better word (ugh, and I hate to indulge into stereotypes too much >.<) , a "nerd boss" and a "fat Admin". Regarding the former, although I guess a "nerd villainous team boss" is somewhat new, Pokemon has enough "nerds" as it is (Bug Maniacs, Collectors, Colress (who was somewhat part of a villainous team himself), Clemont, Scientists). I know there's more to those people than just being "somewhat-tall intelligent people with prominent glasses", but it's possible to be smart without glasses. As for Tabitha, going from "lean" to "portly" is just about the most jarring change you could make in terms of a visual redesign. None of the HG/SS Rocket Admins had that happen to them, so I don't see why Tabitha was redesigned like that. Also, essentially being Maxie's right-hand man, Tabitha has to do a lot of walking/traveling around (from Mt. Chimney to areas ranging from Seafloor Cavern, Lilycove City, and Mossdeep City, depending on how the storyline unfolds; IIRC, the anime even portrayed him as an agent/scout of sorts), and a "fat" Tabitha doesn't seem inclined to be doing stuff like that.

As for change, I don't think people necessarily disagree with it; people just want good/sensible change. I mean, you didn't see someone like Silver's or Whitney's lean Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal designs suddenly becoming fat for no reason in Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver; their redesigns more or less retained the leanness of their original designs. There's ways of updating things adequately while still remaining faithful to the original designs (as opposed to drastic, out-of-nowhere changes)..

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289630)
Actually, Yusuke Ohmura drew the majority of humans in gen 5.

They made Tabitha fat...
They made Mega Swampert an Egg...
Steven has Diantha's face...and a Mega Charizard?!
I hate to say it, but I'm not enjoying most of this as of now...I don't like judging things too prematurely but wow, this isn't what I was hoping for at all.

http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/smilies/cerulean/2.%20laugh.gif ROFL; you are the first person I've seen who has called Mega Swampert an "Egg" (the design isn't that bad in my opinion, though!). XD Totally agree with you; it feels like the "HOENN CONFIRMED" hype train is either hitting some bumpy areas or taking an odd detour of sorts... The thing bothering me the most is the redesigns of Tabitha, Brendan/May, and Teams Magma/Aqua in general. I don't like prejudging stuff so negatively either, but it's not that different compared to the people who are already lauding the changes with positive prejudging. :/ I mean, unless Tabitha goes on an intense exercise regimen during the events of OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, I highly doubt that any amount of waiting will make me warm up to his design.

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Originally Posted by Spinosaurus (Post 8289646)
Waaaait, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? lol

The art style is so similar that I always thought it was Ken. Huh, learn something new everyday.

Same here. XD We really need to compile a list of who draws what regarding Pokemon stock art

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289652)
Yeah, Ohmura did a good job with that~ But Sugimori only drew Juniper, Juniper's dad, N (in BW), Ghetsis (in BW), Hilda, Hilbert, and...maybe Fennel. The rest were drawn by Ohmura.

It does look like Sugimori is drawing the characters this time for ORAS, though. At least from what I can tell; some of the Aqua/Magma members are too low-quality to really make out.

This.

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289651)
I like Mega Swampert. Swampert was always my least favorite Hoenn starter, because to me it looked stupid. Blaziken is boss and Sceptile has a pleasant saurian look.

What's wrong with Mega Charizard? Surely enough they don't want to spoil the possible Mega Metagross... http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/smilies/cerulean/12.%20tongue.gif As I doubt Steven will use Mega Aggron.

The issue with Mega Charizard (X) is that Hoenn already has loads of suitable Mega Evolutions to choose from (Aggron, Absol, Manectric, Blaziken (Hoenn's own resident Fire starter who is rather popular, from my experience), Mawile, Medicham) for a hypothetical "Mega Evolution" tutorial/lecture. In particular, Aggron is Hoenn-native and matches Steven's preferred Pokemon type (he even has an Aggron), so Steven pulling a foreign Fire-type Pokemon out of nowhere is just strange (Charmander wasn't even in Hoenn's in-game regional Pokedex.. I know the Hoenn regional Pokedex can easily be revised, but still). They don't even have to spoil Mega Metagross; Steven could easily use a Mega Aggron during the tutorial and surprise the player with a Mega Metagross during the Champion battle.

And if anyone is going to be using a Mega Charizard variant, Gym Leader Flannery says hi (what with being a Fire-type specialist and all). In regards to the Dragon-type of Mega Charizard X, Elite Four Drake says hi, too.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289655)
Nothing's wrong with Mega Charizard except that: one, it's becoming very overused in the Pokémon media; and two, I'm sure people are worried that Charizard will be Steven's only Mega. If he had different Megas each time you fought him I guess it would be okay, but he's a Steel-Type Master. It's shocking to see him with a Charizard of all things.

This, so much. Hit the nail on the head right here.

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289663)
What's wrong with it being overused? It's one of the series' iconic Pokémon. And I'm sure he won't use it for battle, though it's not like the game would instantly suck because he uses Charizard in his team. I mean, I'd have preferred Diantha to have a Kalos main, but 1) no Kalos Pokémon had a Mega at the time and 2) Gardevoir fits her anyway.

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8289667)
Some people just get tired of seeing it over and over and over again, is what I mean. Also, it doesn't go with his Type at all. If they didn't want to make a new Mega for him, they could have at least given him Aggron.

Also, the leak shows a picture of it in-battle, which is where people are getting the idea from.

And it wouldn't make the entire game bad, that is true, I never suggested just the one thing would, but it would likely make people like him less for having a Pokémon (a Mega, no less) that doesn't fit with his team. I know a fair amount of people who dislike Flint for that reason.

This, too. I mean, Mega Charizard X even existing is one thing, but to date, it's been prominently featured in:
-Pokemon Origins - out-of-nowhere reveal
-Super Smash Bros. 4 (Wii U/3DS) - stated to be Final Smash
-The Strongest Mega Evolution, Act 1 (TV special that focuses on Mega Evolutions)

I mean, is Mega Charizard Y just chopped kibble or what? To date, the only place I've seen Mega Charizard Y even advertised is on the initial reveal trailer that showcased the Kanto starter Pokemon Mega Evolutions to begin with; at this point, I'm wondering why Game Freak bothered to make it. I mean, Charizard is indeed popular (I'm a dedicated fan myself), but there are other Mega Evolutions, let alone other Pokemon species, that still deserve promotion.

In addition, I think Mega Charizard X is disliked a little more because it goes against the original Charizard in a way (Charizard started out being specially-based, and suddenly becomes physically-oriented for no good reason. Additionally, "black-lustered Charizard" was originally a rare sight, reserved for the hard-to-get Shiny Charizard, but the wide availability of Charizard's Mega Stone makes "black-lustered Charizard" ridiculously common now), not to mention some questionable design elements (wing shape and randomly-positioned spikes).

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Originally Posted by ShadowSlashz (Post 8289674)
Yeah I agree plus I think that the mega charizard kind of ruins the whole idea of a steel champion and In my opinion should not be in a remake.

This. Although Steven Stone doesn't exclusively use Steel-type Pokemon (with the presence of Armaldo and Cradily), at least the Hoenn fossil Pokemon are mineral-based unlike Mega Charizard X. :x

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289680)
Guys it's probably just for Demo purposes, look at it's Level (it's 100) and he looks like he's giving us a lecture. Like how the professors have Pokemon that they don't show in their labs like Azurill for Birch during the intro. In battle Steven will likely use Mega Aggron or Mega Metagross if it gets a Mega.

I'm hoping this is the case, but again, there are plenty of Hoenn-species Mega Evolutions that could've been used for a demonstration, let alone a Steel/mineral type that matches Steven Stone's modus operandi.

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Originally Posted by Kouzan (Post 8289682)
I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.



Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

May looks lanky as heck; her legs seem longer than her whole upper body! http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/smilies/cerulean/2.%20laugh.gif I'll try to remark more on the players later, but Brendan does not look like what I expected at all (the skin tan/tint (not trying to be offensive!), green color clashing, T-shirt design, and emphasis on the "hat/hair" issue being the major culprits). Really hoping for clothing/character customization..

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Wow, the Internet works crazy fast. It hasn't even been a full day yet and people are already making fan art for the OR/AS redesigned player characters (and good non-rough-sketch-looking fan art, too, in regards to the first picture!) XD Such talent, man! Totally jelly. May's OR/AS redesign does seems a bit better now.. And wow, redesigned OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire May in that first picture, I will never doubt your hotness again. :o inb4eventualRule34kickingin

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 1:26 PM

Shocked that they gave Steven Charizard. There's a point where they need to forget the marketing aspect and maintain some level of realism. Sure, it makes some sense seeing as he is in the hunt for information regarding Mega evolution, and Charizard has two of them, making him a primary specimen for research, but that's not enough for me to warrant them breaking away from his typing specialty.

May does look abnormally skinny, although the angle and contortion of the picture may have something to do with it. No major alterations, but from what I can tell they look good. I was hoping Brendan's hat would come back :] Personally, I'm still going to go with May. I may prefer the original designs just a bit, but not a negative change at all.

Team Magma and Aqua look awesome with their redesign. It's great to see that they're paying some special attention to them, their concepts deserve to be fleshed out a bit more.

Steven June 7th, 2014 1:34 PM

I highly doubt he'll keep Charizard. I feel like they are using it as a filler Pokemon to replace what they really plan to use. Mega Skarmory, Mega Metagross, etc. The picked Charizard to create the biggest buzz which would explain why he didn't use another Mega Steel-type.

Treecko June 7th, 2014 1:38 PM

Wow I just noticed that Steven has a Mega Charizard X. Well that's sad honetsly. I have to agree with some people here. Charizard has been getting too hyped lately, it's kind of annoying. I'm hoping at least some of his original team is in-tack. And if he's interested in Mega Evolution, then maybe he'll have some other mega of his other team members. I.E. Mega Metagross.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8289814)
I highly doubt he'll keep Charizard. I feel like they are using it as a filler Pokemon to replace what they really plan to use. Mega Skarmory, Mega Metagross, etc. The picked Charizard to create the biggest buzz which would explain why he didn't use another Mega Steel-type.

This. It's likely Demo only. It's high level hints at it too as no one has ever used a Lv. 100 in a battle...

Steven June 7th, 2014 1:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289820)
This. It's likely Demo only. It's high level hints at it too as no one has ever used a Lv. 100 in a battle...

I would totally be okay with him having Charizard if it means he has Lv.100 Pokemon though.

blue June 7th, 2014 1:45 PM

I bet Steven will have the Charizard for one reason, and that's to show you how Mega Evolution works. They wouldn't change up his team, they'd have no reason to do so.

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 8289793)
Although Tabitha looked rather similar to the male Team Magma Grunts of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, there are other ways to make him look a little more distinct than just going "LOL he's fat now." I mean, not to knock people of that type of girth, but the portly redesign of Tabitha just seems insulting to the original design of Tabitha. And on the fandom side of things, he's going to get so much grief from both his name (Tabitha seems to be a usually-feminine name) and his size (in that it starkly contrasts his original leanness).

Absolutely. I actually welcome more characters of varying body types, but we've had a fair amount of portly male characters (and Wattson comes back for these games, too!), and no overweight female characters. Maybe the Chefs from Unova are, a little? But no major female character has been of heavier weight, which I think is a shame...

My main gripe with Tabitha's redesign is...they kept Courtney practically the same, except they gave her a mini-skirt instead of her original longer one. Why change Tabitha so drastically? He wasn't important to begin with, and even though he looked kind of like the Grunts, so did Courtney. Changing the Leaders is one thing but this just seems like a pointless change to give him a less appealing design. And it has nothing to do with his weight--Wulfric had a very unique, memorable design. At this point it just seems like he was made larger to make him "stand out" without giving it much more thought, which is a shame, if you ask me.

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As for Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver, to my knowledge, the 4 Rocket Admins didn't really have any "old" designs from Generation 2 other than generic Team Rocket Grunt artwork (which practically everyone uses for Team Rocket bar Giovanni, IIRC. Additionally, I don't even know if there was any female Team Rocket Grunt artwork prior to Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen, so there's that.) In my opinion, the designs granted to the Rocket Admins with the advent of HG/SS mesh well with the standard Rocket Grunt designs anyway (lean design, usage of dark colors for the most part, with the white colors receiving precedence in other Team Rocket outfits). Ariana retains red hair (possibly looking even more imposing/elite than the Generation 2 design) and Archer still looks menacing, so that's not too much fuss. Archer, Proton, and Petrel all looked rather similar, so I guess people were in favor of them being "redesigned" (which wasn't too drastic, in my opinion); and at least you can still take Proton and Petrel's redesigns seriously.
Gen 2 did have female Grunts, but that honestly has no bearing on this--because you're right about the Admins' redesigns into HGSS. Petrel and Proton used the standard Grunt sprites, so they had to be redesigned from scratch (at least they still kept their black Grunt uniforms). Archer's hair color changed but I can see the similarities with the original Admin sprite. Ariana looks a lot more different but keeps her red hair as you've said (and you could argue that her new hair is shaped more similarly to Silver's in an attempt to get people talking about who his mother could be---!). Tabitha looked a bit similar to the Grunts, yes, but as I've said, so did Courtney, and her design is barely changed, with the exception of giving her a shorter skirt.

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However, with Team Magma, we apparently now have, for lack of a better word (ugh, and I hate to indulge into stereotypes too much >.<) , a "nerd boss" and a "fat Admin". Regarding the former, although I guess a "nerd villainous team boss" is somewhat new, Pokemon has enough "nerds" as it is (Bug Maniacs, Collectors, Colress (who was somewhat part of a villainous team himself), Clemont, Scientists). I know there's more to those people than just being "somewhat-tall intelligent people with prominent glasses", but it's possible to be smart without glasses. As for Tabitha, going from "lean" to "portly" is just about the most jarring change you could make in terms of a visual redesign. None of the HG/SS Rocket Admins had that happen to them, so I don't see why Tabitha was redesigned like that. Also, essentially being Maxie's right-hand man, Tabitha has to do a lot of walking/traveling around (from Mt. Chimney to areas ranging from Seafloor Cavern, Lilycove City, and Mossdeep City, depending on how the storyline unfolds; IIRC, the anime even portrayed him as an agent/scout of sorts), and a "fat" Tabitha doesn't seem inclined to be doing stuff like that.
Absolutely. The more I think about it, it looks like they're trying to make Team Magma seem like "a bunch of nerds" while making Aqua seem more "cool." Matt was seriously buffed which also kind of came out of nowhere, but it wasn't as out-of-left-field as Tabitha. But taking that into consideration, I don't see why Game Freak would want one team to seem "nerdier" than the other--and it's honestly not nice to include a chubbier person amongst those nerds. Unless they want to teach us the "evils of bullying" and give Tabitha more of a role in these games, it's just not a redesign that will sit well with me.

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As for change, I don't think people necessarily disagree with it; people just want good/sensible change. I mean, you didn't see someone like Silver's or Whitney's lean Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal designs suddenly becoming fat for no reason in Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver; their redesigns more or less retained the leanness of their original designs. There's ways of updating things adequately while still remaining faithful to the original designs (as opposed to drastic, out-of-nowhere changes)..
Very good way to sum it up!


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http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/smilies/cerulean/2.%20laugh.gif ROFL; you are the first person I've seen who has called Mega Swampert an "Egg" (the design isn't that bad in my opinion, though!). XD Totally agree with you; it feels like the "HOENN CONFIRMED" hype train is either hitting some bumpy areas or taking an odd detour of sorts... The thing bothering me the most is the redesigns of Tabitha, Brendan/May, and Teams Magma/Aqua in general. I don't like prejudging stuff so negatively either, but it's not that different compared to the people who are already lauding the changes with positive prejudging. :/ I mean, unless Tabitha goes on an intense exercise regimen during the events of OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, I highly doubt that any amount of waiting will make me warm up to his design.
Lol, I am starting to warm up a bit to Mega Swampert's design (Swampert is my favorite Pokémon so I really want to like it!), but the few in-game screenshots of it we have...the silhouette just...it's an Egg.

Yeah this kind of thing is bound to happen--I remember with the reveal of Mega Evolutions...at first it wasn't stated how they would work, and all I could think was, "This seems cool, but if there starts to be four stages of evolution the game balance would break and the power creep would literally be irreversible..." But once it was confirmed to be in-battle only I was much happier with it. There's nothing wrong with having a critical mind about these kinds of things. If anything, if fans are able to professionally express their opinions, it could even help developers create better games in the future.

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This. Although Steven Stone doesn't exclusively use Steel-type Pokemon (with the presence of Armaldo and Cradily), at least the Hoenn fossil Pokemon are mineral-based unlike Mega Charizard X. :x
Yeah, his teams are almost always 50% Steel and 50% Rock.
Better use a Pokémon that is weak to Rock, then!


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I'm hoping this is the case, but again, there are plenty of Hoenn-species Mega Evolutions that could've been used for a demonstration, let alone a Steel/mineral type that matches Steven Stone's modus operandi.
Something else I'm finding weird about this "demonstration" is that the scan shows the Mega Charizard to be Lv100. ORAS confirmed to be difficult, I guess?


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May looks lanky as heck; her legs seem longer than her whole upper body!
I'm also not enjoying that "bow-legged" look that she and Diantha have... @@;

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 1:52 PM

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I bet Steven will have the Charizard for one reason, and that's to show you how Mega Evolution works. They wouldn't change up his team, they'd have no reason to do so.

Hopefully this is why. It really irks me when monotype trainers like gym leaders and elite four have Pokemon that aren't of their type specialty. Simply giving Steven a Charizard to raise publicity would be an abysmal way to promote ORAS. Thankfully, giving him one to explain how Mega evolutions work makes a lot of sense, so there's a solid chance that's what it is.

Iceshadow3317 June 7th, 2014 1:54 PM

As other said, Steven with Charizard is probably the demo people can play at E3. I don't think they would give him Charizard, plus Charizard isn't catchable in game and I doubt he will be.

Calamity June 7th, 2014 2:01 PM

Mega Charizard? Jesus christ Steven it's not even a mineral!

As for the new mega's, I really do like both of their designs! But both of their new abilities do seem a little odd. I'd like to know what base speed they're going to give Mega Swampert now he has Swift Swim. The new "prehistoric" forms for Groundon and Kyogre surely shows we're going to have a completely different storyline? I'm also looking forward to see if Mega Diancie will get implemented to the storyline.

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 2:08 PM

Mega Diancie seems so... random, for lack of a better word. Maybe it's because I'm so hyped about ORAS that my brain isn't functioning correctly, but I can't make any connection to it and Hoenn, whether it be storyline or environment or what. Could have something to do with Groudon and Kyogre's prehistoric forms.

blue June 7th, 2014 2:11 PM

I'm thinking Diancie will play some sort of role in these games having some involvement with the Mega Evolution storyline. I can't imagine them holding out until 2015 for a third game to XY if there is going to be one. Either that or they will just release as an event and make it so you can find a Diancite in Hoenn.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 2:17 PM

I think Diancie getting a Mega in time for ORAS is similar to Deoxys being in FrLG and having one forme for each one. It's just there for fans, and will likely not serve much of a purpose. Though I hope that it'll get some story like the Arceus-CT event in HgSs. Like take Diancie to some new area with undergrown crystal ruins with nothing but the Rock/Fairy it mutated from (Carbring?) which will activate a chamber that contains the Mega Stone for it.

Aquacorde June 7th, 2014 2:27 PM

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I personally like the new designs of Brendan and May, at least they're still similar to the ones in Emerald and not extremely different like Ethan and Lyra. The proportions are so weird though. Just realizing how skinny they've gotten.



Pokemon characters never really had good proportion though. I mean what 10-year old has breast that big? I'm gonna remember though, they'll probably look way better in the games themselves so I'm not complaining. And they will hopefully allow for customization again and could (hopefully) have outfits similar to the older designs.

tbh the only thing I have a big problem with is the poses. Mostly May's. I mean they seem to be based more off the RSE art than Emerald art but like. May's pose was so much more balanced; her center of gravity looks all messed in the new art. And their Emerald poses were very balanced and action-ready, what happened to that? Brendan looks like he's going to fall over again. Or get stiff muscles from standing so awkwardly. Bleah. Also not a fan of May's double-layered shorts lol but Brendan's bottoms are a heck of an improvement.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 2:32 PM

What do you think we'll see at E3 that we didn't get in Corocoro? I'm hoping that they explain the Ancient De-evolution, or provide some clues into how we activate it. Also a trailer would be good.

Treecko June 7th, 2014 2:34 PM

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tbh the only thing I have a big problem with is the poses. Mostly May's. I mean they seem to be based more off the RSE art than Emerald art but like. May's pose was so much more balanced; her center of gravity looks all messed in the new art. And their Emerald poses were very balanced and action-ready, what happened to that? Brendan looks like he's going to fall over again. Or get stiff muscles from standing so awkwardly. Bleah. Also not a fan of May's double-layered shorts lol but Brendan's bottoms are a heck of an improvement.

I can kind of see that, but only cause of how their feet are positioned. Their shoes just look a bit odd. Brendan still looks battle ready imo. And he still has that cheeky grin haha. I'm gonna wait for clearer art/game models for a better opinion though.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 2:37 PM

Brendan's clothes look more similar to his Emerald ones while May's are closer to her Ruby and Sapphire clothes, at least in terms of color.

blue June 7th, 2014 2:37 PM

It was just obvious that Mega Swampert was going to get a meme though.


OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 3:04 PM

I'll like to see how MegaSwampert looks on all fours. I think that it's round body and it having Swift Swim could mean that it's actually faster seeing how round edged cars and other vehicles are faster than sharp edge vehicles.

Harmonious Fusion June 7th, 2014 3:16 PM

My problem with the evil team redesigns is that it's not faithful to the originals. Taken on their own, they're decent enough designs that for the most part actually look pretty cool. But they aren't the Teams Magma and Aqua that I knew and loved growing up. On the other hand, I really want to like May and Brendan's new art, but something just seems off about it.

I love the new megas, at least! Especially Diancie, omg.

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 3:21 PM

Is the fat Magma Admin really Tabitha? The other characters are recognizable (I don't know the names of the Aqua admins :P ), so it's probably him. Why they redesigned hi like that is a mystery, but it's not a bad design, just inconsistent.

I don't think Steven will even use Mega Charizard X so that isn't really that big of an issue. It's possible the demonstration Pokémon in one of the games will be Charizard Y to give him some love. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with X. I like both equally (though prefer X for his stats and type), and the shiny regular Charizard is dark purple, not black (it was only black in the 3rd gen sprites).

Then again, the Pokémon community is annoyingly hard to please. People still hate Lyra, even though there's nothing fundamentally wrong with her design, because she's not Kris.

On a side note, these new Mega Evolutions and Devolutions really got me excited for these games. (I never thought I would say this! Honest!) They also made me want to keep playing my X version and get back into the community.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 3:21 PM

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My problem with the evil team redesigns is that it's not faithful to the originals. Taken on their own, they're decent enough designs that for the most part actually look pretty cool. But they aren't the Teams Magma and Aqua that I knew and loved growing up. On the other hand, I really want to like May and Brendan's new art, but something just seems off about it.

I love the new megas, at least! Especially Diancie, omg.

My biggest issue with Brendan's redesign is that he looks cross eyed. With May it's her pale color as if she hasn't had sun in awhile...

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 3:31 PM

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My biggest issue with Brendan's redesign is that he looks cross eyed. With May it's her pale color as if she hasn't had sun in awhile...

I liked their clothes. Brendan looks sporty, and May looks cuter than before. Besides, I think they'll add the older outfits to a possible boutique (it would be a great opportunity for the to do so), so everyone is pleased. But really, I don't think anyone will use the regular outfits if there are boutiques in the game... :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 3:35 PM

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I liked their clothes. Brendan looks sporty, and May looks cuter than before. Besides, I think they'll add the older outfits to a possible boutique (it would be a great opportunity for the to do so), so everyone is pleased. But really, I don't think anyone will use the regular outfits if there are boutiques in the game... :P

I like their designs too.
I will probably mix parts of their default outfits with other shirts/pants like I did in XY.

Hiatus June 7th, 2014 3:38 PM

I'm really glad that they brought May's old outfit back (well, sorta); it suits her much better than one from Emerald, if you ask me. :] Also, I'm glad that Mega Sceptile became part dragon-type; was really expecting it to.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 3:42 PM

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I'm really glad that they brought May's old outfit back (well, sorta); it suits her much better than one from Emerald, if you ask me. :] Also, I'm glad that Mega Sceptile became part dragon-type; was really expecting it to.

For me the Emerald one was better. I hope they include it, or at least a green version of her new outfit for her xD.

Yay for Grass/Dragon. It gives Mega Serperior the chance to be Grass/Dragon too seeing how before people said they doubted their ever make any starter Dragon (well Charizard X came first to break that). Hey maybe they'll make Feraligatr Water/Dragon so that we'll have at least one starter of each type with the Dragon type as it's secondary type. I say Feraligatr as I doubt Samurrott, Empoleon, and/ or Greninja's Mega will be part Dragon. Especially Empoleon...

Zero Percent June 7th, 2014 3:42 PM

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Mega Diancie seems so... random, for lack of a better word.

Probably something to do with the new movie is my guess.

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Hopefully this is why. It really irks me when monotype trainers like gym leaders and elite four have Pokemon that aren't of their type specialty. Simply giving Steven a Charizard to raise publicity would be an abysmal way to promote ORAS. Thankfully, giving him one to explain how Mega evolutions work makes a lot of sense, so there's a solid chance that's what it is.

He isn't a monotype trainer, though. He also uses Rock and Ground types.
Personally I feel like they used charizard as a placeholder for a different, new mega that they didn't want to spoil. (mega metagross pls)

Steven June 7th, 2014 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8289910)
I'll like to see how MegaSwampert looks on all fours. I think that it's round body and it having Swift Swim could mean that it's actually faster seeing how round edged cars and other vehicles are faster than sharp edge vehicles.

My guess is that it is actually slower. Maybe just 10-20 so Swift Swim still makes a difference. Edit: Nevermind, it'll probably be untouched. I didn't realize how slow Swampert was. My guess:

Total BST: 635

120/110/130/85/130/60

I'm sad about Sceptile. Dragon just gives it 4x weakness to Ice, and makes it weak to Fairy and Dragon. The only good thing is that it's not weak to Fire anymore. Mega Ampharos all over again. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 3:46 PM

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My guess is that it is actually slower. Maybe just 10-20 so Swift Swim still makes a difference.

I hope not. Also the logic (at least my explanation for Mega Garchomp being slower) for Mega Garchomp being slower was due to it no longer having as sleek a body as it's normal form. Meanwhile MegaSwampert has the opposite thing going on with it's sleek, round body.

Altairis June 7th, 2014 3:58 PM

Wow I'm so excited!! SCEPTILE IS GRASS / DRAGON! My favorite starter getting Dragon-typing <3 Now I hope we have move tutors so it'll be able to learn Dragon Pulse ingame! Although, Lightning Rod is a really strange ability for it to have.

The redesigns look nice. Also, it looks like the overworld would be the same as Kalos's, obviously. And doesn't really look like customization will appear, but they could be saving that for later.

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 4:01 PM

Developing on what Zero Percent said, it was never stated that Steven was a Steel-type master. His team is Skarmory/Claydol/Armaldo/Cradily/Aggron/Metagross in the originals. Only half the team is Steel-type. All of them are "mineral" types, however.

Actually I prefer that his team isn't all Steel Pokémon otherwise he could be soloed with Blaziken.

EDIT: Actually it's stated somewhere that he loves Steel Pokémon. Maybe they gave him other types to balance his team.

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero Percent (Post 8289973)
Probably something to do with the new movie is my guess.


He isn't a monotype trainer, though. He also uses Rock and Ground types.
Personally I feel like they used charizard as a placeholder for a different, new mega that they didn't want to spoil. (mega metagross pls)

That would make sense, for sure. Exactly why giving him Charizard irks me - only strays farther away from his steel monotype. At least Cradily and Armaldo somewhat relate to his concept of being interested in rocks and minerals, of which Charizard does not connect to in any shape or form. Long shot, but maybe his fossil Pokemon get steel type Mega evolutions.

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8289999)
Developing on what Zero Percent said, it was never stated that Steven was a Steel-type master. His team is Skarmory/Claydol/Armaldo/Cradily/Aggron/Metagross in the originals. Only half the team is Steel-type. All of them are "mineral" types, however.

Actually I prefer that his team isn't all Steel Pokémon otherwise he could be soloed with Blaziken.

EDIT: Actually it's stated somewhere that he loves Steel Pokémon. Maybe they gave him other types to balance his team.

The PokéNav in both RS and E refer to him as a Steel-Type Trainer.

Lance is clearly a Dragon-Type Trainer but only half of his team is Dragon-Type. Iris is also clearly a Dragon-Type Trainer, but as a Champion only has 3 actual Dragon-Types. Steven is the same--he uses 3 Steel and 3 Rock-Types to add diversity and challenge to his team, while keeping a matching theme, even though he is technically a mono-Type Champion.

The only mono-Type Champion whose team is actually all of one Type is Wallace.


But regardless, Charizard does not match his theme at all, as others have said, which is the main issue I have with it.

"HoneyClaws" June 7th, 2014 4:59 PM

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That would make sense, for sure. Exactly why giving him Charizard irks me - only strays farther away from his steel monotype. At least Cradily and Armaldo somewhat relate to his concept of being interested in rocks and minerals, of which Charizard does not connect to in any shape or form. Long shot, but maybe his fossil Pokemon get steel type Mega evolutions.

It bugs me too, the overpandering to Charizard fans has gotten a bit out of hand now. Honestly not everybody needs a Charizard X gamefreak!

I hope Mega X isn't his Steven's ace, that would be a bigger cop out not having Aggron his mega signature or Mega Metagross as his sig debut. I don't even know if this Charizard specifically belongs to Steven yet. If anything, he might show it off once in a sort of "Mega Evolution tutorial" at the beginning of the game... but its not a Hoenn Pokemon. This a Hoenn game and Mega Aggron already exists. So I don't understand where this is going.

Though, they could easily put a picture of any Mega there just to showcase Steven's reasearch topic I guess but why would they give Steven a Charizard anyway? I don't recall Lance's team changing between the original GSC games and the remakes. It's like giving Lance an Abomasnow in his remaked team; it doesn't make any sense.

LividZephyr June 7th, 2014 5:09 PM

Looks like I was way off about no Mega Evolution until postgame.

Also why did they redesign EVERYBODY? Well, Brendan doesn't look different. May's new design is awful (always hated "Rosie the Riveter" headbands, think the knot in front is hideous) and why did they feel the need to change Shelly? Also unhappy that they're not incorporating the two-team stuff from Emerald... although if they do go through with Delta Emerald, it could be the best Pokemon game ever provided they don't nerf the difficulty.

Hoping character customization returns, too...

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 5:14 PM

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It bugs me too, the overpandering to Charizard fans has gotten a bit out of hand now. Honestly not everybody needs a Charizard X gamefreak... Just lance and Red...

I hope Mega X isn't his Steven's ace, that would be a bigger cop out not having Aggron his mega signature or Mega Metagross as his sig debut. I don't even know if this Charizard specifically belongs to Steven yet. If anything, he might show it off once in a sort of "Mega Evolution tutorial" at the beginning of the game if it truly belongs to him but I really doubt it's his. They could easily put a picture of any Mega there just to showcase Steven's reasearch topic I guess but why would they give Steven a Charizard anyway? I don't recall Lance's team changing between the original GSC games and the remakes. It's like giving Lance an Abomasnow in his remaked team; it doesn't make any sense.

Even if it was a tutorial it doesn't make sense, because he should still use a Pokémon that fits his theme/Type. In HGSS when Lyra/Ethan teaches you how to catch Pokémon they use their Marill, not a Lv100 Venusaur...and that's another thing. Am I the only one who thinks it would be weird for Steven to use a Lv100 Pokémon, even if only for demonstration purposes? I would only find this acceptable if it's a scenario like the opening of Pokémon XD, where it begins with a battle simulation using Pokémon that neither you nor your opponent own...but I honestly can't see such a thing being thrown into the games unless it replaces a Contest Hall/Battle Tent...

Actually, that's what I'll be claiming until we get more information, ha ha! I just really can't bear to see one of my most favorite Pokémon characters using a Pokémon simply because Game Freak wants to include it in every possible little thing...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 5:36 PM

It could also be advertising in a way for X by showing off a Mega whose stone could possibly only be found in X if they don't have in in either OR of AS.

Slasher115 June 7th, 2014 5:40 PM

The screenshots were so epic team magma and aquas new designs are really cool, and brendan is my boy so he looked awesome as well, i hope we have character customization like x and y

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 5:42 PM

3 Days until E3. I wonder why Corocoro leaked an entire week early...it was almost as if it were planned...

Pinkie-Dawn June 7th, 2014 6:04 PM

I never expected the leaks to arrive this early (I thought it would be the day after Nintendo's E3 event). So now that we have Mega Sceptile and Mega Swampert, as well as Ancient De-evolution Groudon and Kyogre, how is this going to affect connectivity between X and Y in terms of trading and battling? I can't believe Masuda lied about Kalos Pokémon not getting Mega Evos due to being too recent. Is it because Diance is an event legendary that traditionally needs a forme gimmick? Branden's still got that grin from his original artwork, but the fact that he no longer has black hair kinda ruins a niche only him and Ethan share from the rest of the male trainers. I definitely like May's new outfit more than her original outfit; it's too bad she'll never appear in the anime once more in that outfit due to her Japanese VA retiring. What have they done to Team Magma and Team Aqua? I think Steven's Mega Charizard X is only a demonstration to how Mega Evolutions work, so it's not going to be part of his final team, which will have either Mega Aggron or perhaps a Mega Metagross, since it's his ace Pokémon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 6:10 PM

I think Masuda was referring only to XY when he said that, rather than the generation as a whole.
I also think that it's only a demonstration. Maybe he'll show off other Megas other than Charizard X to the player, maybe to show us the variety of his stone collection.

May could get a Seiyuu replacement and she'll reappear in the anime. Maybe the voice actor of Ranka...I mean Melotta will provide her voice...

Aquacorde June 7th, 2014 6:28 PM

but why is nobody talking about the return of the mach and acro bikes

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 6:32 PM

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but why is nobody talking about the return of the mach and acro bikes

This was disappointing, actually. It was annoying to return to the shop every time you wanted to switch bikes. The gear system in the Sinnoh games was much better.

It's possible they'll create some maneouvers for the Acro Bike for use with the Circle Pad, though.

Aquacorde June 7th, 2014 6:38 PM

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This was disappointing, actually. It was annoying to return to the shop every time you wanted to switch bikes. The gear system in the Sinnoh games was much better.

It's possible they'll create some maneouvers for the Acro Bike for use with the Circle Pad, though.

see, I don't mind it at all. Kind of keeps the terrain puzzle elements alive; if you could just switch bikes whenever that'd take all the fun out of it. Though tbh thy could have just done a gear-shifting bike and put a variety of moves on Acro and made new overworld puzzles but whatever.

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 6:42 PM

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see, I don't mind it at all. Kind of keeps the terrain puzzle elements alive; if you could just switch bikes whenever that'd take all the fun out of it. Though tbh thy could have just done a gear-shifting bike and put a variety of moves on Acro and made new overworld puzzles but whatever.

If they had merged them together, they could have created more interesting puzzles involving both Acro and Mach features, instead of the player having to go back and forth to switch bikes and hope they remember where they left off when they return to the route. Switching is more of a tedious process than an actual "challenge," and it interrupts exploration rather than encouraging it.

Still, it's at least nice that they got this info out of the way. Hopefully each new reveal comes with small bits of info like this so we have an idea of those smaller features that will be returning.

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 6:58 PM

They could easily make it an option in the bag to switch between Acro and Mach bike, therefore making it more like an add-on mechanic than an entirely separate bike. That would at least eliminate the tedious aspect of the feature, which I think is the main drawback. Otherwise, I like having extra obstacles during my journey, the routes can get extremely repetitive.

DJTiki June 7th, 2014 7:01 PM

I have a theory, on the leak, the Mega-Charizard was shown in a grassy field background, not even suitable for a champion battle position. AND the screenshot of Steven, was in the fields. Im guessing, either Steven isnt champion, or you rebattle him postgame, since I doubt that you would battle him pre-Elite 4. He may very well have a steel mega during Elite 4. But not on the rematch, since he will have Mega Charizard X

Echidna June 7th, 2014 7:06 PM

Mega Sceptile is 1/2Dragon, and that settles my starter choice right there. Mega Swampert... steroids. Love it buddy.

AND
ANCIENT DEVOLUTION
PRIMAL LEGENDARIES
ALL OF MY YES

AND THE TEAM MAGMA & AQUA REDESIGNS AHHHHHH
ARCHIE THO
AAAAAHHHH

i seriously need help ;-;

DJTiki June 7th, 2014 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Echidna (Post 8290256)
Mega Sceptile is 1/2Dragon, and that settles my starter choice right there. Mega Swampert... steroids. Love it buddy.

AND
ANCIENT DEVOLUTION
PRIMAL LEGENDARIES
ALL OF MY YES

AND THE TEAM MAGMA & AQUA REDESIGNS AHHHHHH
ARCHIE THO
AAAAAHHHH

i seriously need help ;-;

DO U KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

SCEPTILE, SUPER SPEEDY, ATTACKING POWER. WHAT MOVE PUTS YOUR SPEED TO 1/4, THUNDER WAVE, AND WHAT ABILITY DOES HE HAVE, LIGHTNINGROD

NOW SCEPTILE IS IMMUNE TO ELECTRIC, MEANING HE IS PERFECT COUNTER FOR MEGA MANECTRIC.

THIS IS SO GREAT

psy_commando June 7th, 2014 7:09 PM

Darn.. They turned my favorite badass team admin into a fat weirdo dude :(
Tabitha used my favorite pokemon, looked badass both in-game and in the anime! And in the anime he's one of the rare bad guy not to have had his pokemon faint to Ash's or to a bad plot device, yet he fought with the protagonists and the team rocket trio..
Oh well.. At least they did good with Courtney I guess.. :*(

And now Archie wears tights, and looks less classy/vilainous than he used to.. I'm not sure about Shelly either..

And I really don't see why the trainer re-design was necessary.. They look anorexic now.. Nice message to send young people.. And honestly, May's and Brendan's clothes were some of my favorite protagonist clothing in the Pokemon series.. But, not anymore I guess.. :(

And after laughing at Mega-Swampert at first, I'm kinda ok with it. Mega-Septile looks good in my book, they got rid of the huge tail thing that annoyed me on Sceptile ! :)

Also, seriously, who ordered a Mega-Diancie ? Can we send it back for a refund, or another more deserved mega evo ? >:(

And Steven kinda reminds me of looker in-game for some reasons.. But besides that, I guess I'm ok with what they did.. Well.. besides him having a charizard X and all... :/

I got a bad feeling now about what they'll reveal at E3.. I hope they won't get too much of my hopes up.. :/

antemortem June 7th, 2014 7:10 PM

Maxie and Archie's redesigns LITERALLY give me life. Maxie looks chill and Archie's so badass I can't stand it

Shelly and Matt are awk tho

Pepperton June 7th, 2014 7:25 PM

Archie looks perfect, and Maxie'd redesign is great too. They did a wonderful job with the evil organizations concept, so I hope they follow that up with a bigger role in the story in ORAS. Back in the old Hoenn, both Magma and Aqua had a lot of presence in the games, but their personalities weren't as developed as newer teams like Plasma and Flare have.

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DJTiKi (Post 8290260)
DO U KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS

SCEPTILE, SUPER SPEEDY, ATTACKING POWER. WHAT MOVE PUTS YOUR SPEED TO 1/4, THUNDER WAVE, AND WHAT ABILITY DOES HE HAVE, LIGHTNINGROD

NOW SCEPTILE IS IMMUNE TO ELECTRIC, MEANING HE IS PERFECT COUNTER FOR MEGA MANECTRIC.

THIS IS SO GREAT

Lightningrod is pointless since Grass/Dragon is quadruple resistant to Electric.

Well, there's the T-Wave immunity, I guess. And it's immune to Stun Spore, too.

Aquacorde June 7th, 2014 7:40 PM

Everyone going on about LightningRod: double and triple battles tho.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 7:40 PM

@ Pepperton or Cyrus (Galactic). N, Ghetsis, and Lysander all had personalities and we were told what they wanted and why. We know what Maxie and Archie want and why, but there seems to be no personal connection there. Maybe Maxie saw that the world was running out of land due to overpopulation, while Archie could've thought that they needed more water to...his makes less sense other than for the Pokémon seeing how it doesn't benefit both Humans and Pokémon like Magma's plot. If only it were Fresh water and not the sea that was expanding...

DJTiki June 7th, 2014 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8290292)
Lightningrod is pointless since Grass/Dragon is quadruple resistant to Electric.

Well, there's the T-Wave immunity, I guess. And it's immune to Stun Spore, too.

Exactly, so it has an upper hand on most Grass and Electric pokes, he's basically immune to Grass, and even has an immunity to Electric.

Also if im correct, Lightningrod draws all electric moves, paring it with water and flying pokemon in double/triple battles, would be amazing. Since, water and flying Pokemon, loses a weakness, plus flying Pokemon takes out potential Grass threats. Also water resist ice. Flying takes out bug. Sceptile learns earthquake, so bye bye poison and steel. Its only real problem would be fairy and dragon.

Sceptile, dominater of teamwork.

DXGhost June 7th, 2014 7:50 PM

Alright, so my take on the whole new stuff, i'm loving that there's actually something different than Mega Evolution going on with Kyogre and Groudon, even if they activate the same way for all I know, and about time the fit in Mega Sceptile and Swampert, which the typings are exactly as I imagined it, but looks and abilities not so much, but not complaining. Mega Swampert is JACKED, I'm glad i'm picking Mudkip to start.
Mega Diancie was a bit of a surprise, was hardly expecting a 6th Gen Mega so soon, but may be a one shot, unless there are more to come....
Mega Charizard X and Steven doesn't concern me at all. Does anyone remember the little demo they had for Pokemon X and Y where you got to go up a route, battle trainers and a rival, then Sycamore gives you a Mewtwo to demonstrate Mega Evolution? Honestly thats what i think its about, its like he's lecturing you about Mega Evolution, and then gives you or battles you with Mega Charizard X. Steven's most likely gonna get his well deserved Mega Metagross, or at least use Mega Aggron, but doubt that the Megas revealed are the only Megas...
As for redesigns, not awfully concerned with them, May looks meh but I usually pick Brendan anyway. Magma looks not too bad, don't mind the chubby admin, and Aqua looks pretty boss, Archie could be better but will just be enjoying pulverizing him in Sapphire :D Can't wait for E3 to see more, or at least this stuff in action at the very least

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 8:04 PM

I hope they show off a few more Megas at E3. Maybe GF will release Corocoro leak and decide to add a Mega that isn't in it to surprise us like if one of the starters has a second Mega, or maybe Mega Johto starters. Or maybe they planned to not have the same info this time around and have something else to show without them needing to change anything.

I hope we get a trailer. We have yet to hear the music :3.

Pinkie-Dawn June 7th, 2014 8:35 PM

You guys think Mega Swampert will have to run Rain Dance in its moveset to put its new ability into good use? Seeing that it's a bulky Pokémon with only one weakness, it could pull it off, but because of this, Sceptile will always still be the worst of the Hoenn starters.


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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8290171)
May could get a Seiyuu replacement and she'll reappear in the anime. Maybe the voice actor of Ranka...I mean Melotta will provide her voice...

That's the problem; unlike other countries, Japan doesn't replace Seiyuus, because they find it dishonorable to an individual character's legacy.

Monophobia June 7th, 2014 8:42 PM

I was honestly hoping for a retro look to the game...kinda sad that it seems they've just copied the X and Y look... Makes me less excited for the game. Also I still hate Mega Evolution...

Whatever, I suppose. This might be the first time I skip out on a Pok
émon game. *pouts and goes back to playing Emerald*

Cerberus87 June 7th, 2014 8:49 PM

Why do people hate Mega Evolution? It turns into gold everything it touches. You may not like the looks of the Megas, but the concept is fine.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8290359)
That's the problem; unlike other countries, Japan doesn't replace Seiyuus, because they find it dishonorable to an individual character's legacy.

For our good, I guess.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8290359)
You guys think Mega Swampert will have to run Rain Dance in its moveset to put its new ability into good use? Seeing that it's a bulky Pokémon with only one weakness, it could pull it off, but because of this, Sceptile will always still be the worst of the Hoenn starters.



That's the problem; unlike other countries, Japan doesn't replace Seiyuus, because they find it dishonorable to an individual character's legacy.

Mega Swampert could benefit a lot in doubles if paired up with a Damp Rock holding Drizzletoad.

Like wise Mega Sceptile benefits Water and Flying types, especially Water/Flying types.

Didn't they replace the Sailor moon Seiyuu for the remake/reboot? Also their Vomic seiyuu aren't always the same as their anime characters seiyuu...

Monophobia June 7th, 2014 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8290373)
Why do people hate Mega Evolution? It turns into gold everything it touches. You may not like the looks of the Megas, but the concept is fine.

I'm just the kind of person that likes things to stay the same, especially if I have fond memories of it. Mega Evolution also ruins competitive play for me (I haven't touched my copy of X for months).

Pinkie-Dawn June 7th, 2014 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8290374)
Mega Swampert could benefit a lot in doubles if paired up with a Damp Rock holding Drizzletoad.

Not unless they're facing a Cradily.

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Like wise Mega Sceptile benefits Water and Flying types, especially Water/Flying types.
If you meant going one-on-one, the only Water/Flying type whose much more of a prominent threat to Mega Sceptile is Gyarados, due to learning Ice Fang. The others have poor offensive stats to lay a large dent on Mega Sceptile.

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Didn't they replace the Sailor moon Seiyuu for the remake/reboot? Also their Vomic seiyuu aren't always the same as their anime characters seiyuu...
They didn't put Tien in a DBZ special from years ago in honor of his Seiyuu's death, which was where I got the idea that Japan never finds replacements.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8290384)
Not unless they're facing a Cradily.



If you meant going one-on-one, the only Water/Flying type whose much more of a prominent threat to Mega Sceptile is Gyarados, due to learning Ice Fang. The others have poor offensive stats to lay a large dent on Mega Sceptile.


They didn't put Tien in a DBZ special from years ago in honor of his Seiyuu's death, which was where I got the idea that Japan never finds replacements.

Lol, no I meant in doubles. Like say you got Normal Gyarados paired alongside MegaSwampert. Now say you're facing off against Jolteon who uses Thunder, but then you Mega Evolve Sceptile then Sceptile will absorb the attack, gain some special attack and having saved Gyarados from being Ko'd.

Altius June 7th, 2014 9:28 PM

Has anyone paid attention to the game images in the leaked magazine?

If you look closely, you can see that Primal Groudon and Kyogre are fought at Lv100 as well. Holy hell that is... wow.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 9:38 PM

Huh? Steven's Charizard is also Lv. 100... maybe they don't mean anything. Ah but that throws a nail into my theory that Steven's Charizard is just for demostrating Mega evolution to the player...

Bobbylicious June 7th, 2014 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8290419)
Has anyone paid attention to the game images in the leaked magazine?

If you look closely, you can see that Primal Groudon and Kyogre are fought at Lv100 as well. Holy hell that is... wow.

I don't think that's the case IMO. Didn't the show xerneas a nd yveltal off in battle by showing them in the field?
Like I know it shows them in the volcano and ocean, but if you look above and below the health bars, it kinda looks like a trainer battle, where each person has three Pokemon.

Additionally, in the kyogre battle scene, in the bottom left, next to the Pokemon name, it looks like the mega evolution symbol. Wether the symbol belongs to kyogre, or whatever Pokemon it's facing I don't know, but if it belongs to kyogre, it might settle the whole "is the ancient devolution classed as mega evolution" debacle, as it has the logo next to its name, classing it as mega evolution.

Altius June 7th, 2014 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8290425)
Huh? Steven's Charizard is also Lv. 100... maybe they don't mean anything. Ah but that throws a nail into my theory that Steven's Charizard is just for demostrating Mega evolution to the player...

What I'm trying to say is maybe these images are from a demo. Steven might not even have a Mega Charizard X after all.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 7th, 2014 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by slayerz96 (Post 8290429)
What I'm trying to say is maybe these images are from a demo. Steven might not even have a Mega Charizard X after all.

It looks like that's the case. The Lv. 100 remind me of the XY demo with Mewtwo. Perhaps they'll screenshots of the demo we may see at E3.

Diablerie June 7th, 2014 9:50 PM

I like the new Team Aqua designs, they're really pushing the pirate theme, but Archie and the admins are pretty cool. Magma is just eh - Tabitha just looks like Xerosic now and Maxie's glasses look stupid. I don't even remember Courtney from the originals, so eh, not really fussed about her.

The mega-evos are fine. I kinda wish they didn't include the mega-evolutions, but if we have to have them, at least the 3 starter ones look interesting. I really hope Steven doesn't actually have a generic Charizard, he should really have a Mega-Aggron or something instead.

Primal Groudon and Kyogre look interesting, I assume there's gonna be a Primal Rayquaza then, too?

Starry Windy June 7th, 2014 10:19 PM

Judging from the leaks, I'm glad that Sceptile and Swampert are not left out in terms of getting Mega Evolutions. I'm still curious on how Ancient Devolutions works though. And Mega Diancie looks like a Princess, I like its design.

Salzorrah June 7th, 2014 10:48 PM

Courtney and Shelley looks so badass imo <3

Maxie looks like a smart evil scientist while Archie looks like a smug pir8 :)

Tabitha became a big fatso while Matt is a reeeeeeeeeeeaaally big tank D:

Nevertheless Team Aqua and Magma are sooooo badass :) Mega Diancie is soooooooooooo fabulous ;~;

I'm kinda disappointed by the Hoenn Mega's especially Mega Swampert but what the hey, Mega Sceptile is so badass with his Grass/Dragon typing :)

Rivvon June 7th, 2014 11:30 PM

The more I see the picture with Steven, the less I think he will actually even get a Mega Charizard. The caption to that picture is essentially, "He also wants to chase after the mystery of Mega Evolution." Like, it doesn't make reference to his Lv.100 Mega Charizard at all. It honestly just feels like that picture is there to give an example of Mega Evolution...for the sake of the article. And also to see if anyone was paying close enough attention to the HUD slightly changing from XY's, but mostly just for the article. Maybe he'll have a Mega Charizard in some sort of playable demo, but to me it's looking less and less likely that he'll have one in-game (thankfully!).

psy_commando June 8th, 2014 12:20 AM

Thinking about the whole primal thing.. Doesn't that reminds anyone of Primal Dialga in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky ? What if Primal Groudon and Kyogre had been corrupted in part through a similar process ?

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Originally Posted by DXGhost (Post 8290319)
As for redesigns, not awfully concerned with them, May looks meh but I usually pick Brendan anyway. Magma looks not too bad, don't mind the chubby admin, and Aqua looks pretty boss, Archie could be better but will just be enjoying pulverizing him in Sapphire :D Can't wait for E3 to see more, or at least this stuff in action at the very least

Well, its not that he's chubby the issue. Its that they've retconned Tabitha. :/

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Originally Posted by Diablerie (Post 8290438)
I like the new Team Aqua designs, they're really pushing the pirate theme, but Archie and the admins are pretty cool. Magma is just eh - Tabitha just looks like Xerosic now and Maxie's glasses look stupid. I don't even remember Courtney from the originals, so eh, not really fussed about her.

Actually, Tabitha now could also be a Hiker re-skinned with red clothes :P

The best part about Courtney is pretty much in the Pokemon Adventure comics for ruby/sapphire honestly ! In the game she didn't do much, besides losing to you..
In some editions of the comics she's called Marge instead, but everywhere else her name is Courtney.

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8290495)
Courtney and Shelley looks so badass imo <3

Maxie looks like a smart evil scientist while Archie looks like a smug pir8 :)

Tabitha became a big fatso while Matt is a reeeeeeeeeeeaaally big tank D:

I completely agree on Courtney!

Maxie looks kinda like a hipster, and Archie looks like Jack Sparrow in tights :P
But I'll admit their looks kinda make sure we can't mistake them for anything else than what they are..

Matt actually looks like the bodybuilders in pokemon XD now! XD

WishCookie June 8th, 2014 12:30 AM

I'm wondering if you get to battle Team Aqua if you choose Omega Ruby. The new Team Aqua designs looks so sick.

Hikamaru June 8th, 2014 2:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WishCookie (Post 8290573)
I'm wondering if you get to battle Team Aqua if you choose Omega Ruby. The new Team Aqua designs looks so sick.

No they'll be going the same route as with the original Ruby and Sapphire where you battle the team that matches the "color" of your game while the other acts as the friendly one. In this case the main villains will be Team Magma in OmegaRuby and Team Aqua in AlphaSapphire.

LiquidForce June 8th, 2014 3:53 AM

Am I the only one who noticed that the popup with the level and HP in battle is black now?
It's pretty cool.

blue June 8th, 2014 4:54 AM

Courtney, Matt & Shelley have had the best redesigns IMO, idk they just look way more powerful than they did in the original games.

Dter ic June 8th, 2014 5:17 AM

Mega septile can now check Rotom-W thanks to lightning rod meaning competitively rotom's will be having hp ice from now on.

Also it looks like Swampert can now lift for realz and looks badass in its mega form. Swift swim is a great ability and will be a good pokemon to use in a rain team.
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Originally Posted by Gym Leader Mark (Post 8290365)
I was honestly hoping for a retro look to the game...kinda sad that it seems they've just copied the X and Y look... Makes me less excited for the game. Also I still hate Mega Evolution...

Remember this game is a remake.Not some sort of re-release of the old games :V


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