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Pepperton May 12th, 2014 7:38 PM

Your Father
 

As far as I know, RSE was the first pokemon game to have your father in the story line, and as a gym leader to boot. Personally, when I learned of this in my first play through of Sapphire, I thought for sure he would have a large role in the plot of the game. Unfortunately, there was little to do with your father besides assist Wally and then win the fifth gym badge. Do you think this will change in ORAS? Will Norman end up being integrated to the meddling of Team Magma and Aqua, or in any other way? Will his participation in his own son/daughter's adventure remain fairly minimal?

Meksal May 12th, 2014 7:50 PM

I think in general people who were considerably vague in RSE will be given a bigger role ORAS. They've learned a lot since generation III. However, I can't predict the future, so I can't really say exactly how they'll plan him out.

Elaitenstile May 12th, 2014 7:51 PM

Not in my book. I never really saw any reason why they made our Dad a Gym Leader, I always thought it would be better had he been our rival's Dad. Professor Birch works as well, though. I thought our Dad was a really strong Gym Leader but I was disappointed when I saw that his Gym is in Petalburg, and he wants us to grow stronger and challenge him later. Didn't really see the point lol because we don't really see him much other than a Gym Battle like any other regular Gym Leader.

That being heard, I don't think they would increase his role in the games, except maybe a bit bigger influence on Wally, perhaps he would give some advice along with the Zigzagoon (thus indirectly giving the advice to the player) and he would call us from time to time to give some light on the (rather confusing) happenings in and around the region.

Yato May 12th, 2014 7:55 PM

If they want to pull a PokeSupe then he'd definitely be much more involved. However, I can't see him having a bigger role other than being your father and assisting Wally with getting his first Pokemon. Maybe he will call you from time to time like Hoenn suggested, but that's about it.

Abby May 13th, 2014 1:42 AM

Yeah i think he might have an aftergame story arc but thats all i think they will add

Jacrad May 13th, 2014 2:18 AM

I haven't played Heart Gold or Soul Silver so I wouldn't know. Do any of the characters in those games get an extended role beyond what they do in Crystal, besides the Kimono girls?

If not then I wouldn't count on him having a bigger role... Granted GameFreak has gone out of their way to surprise us before...

I would like it if there were something you could do with the character. The gym leaders in the remakes seem like they get to at least have some of their life outside the gym shown. Maybe he can appear in Littleroot Town on the weekends or something?

Personally I'd rather have Professor Birch as our dad ):

Salzorrah May 13th, 2014 2:36 AM

Personally, I want two dads this time around, like if you choose Male (Brendan) you get Professor Birch, if you choose Female (May) you get Norman. And tbh, I like if your dad shows up in the end of the Champion Battle and give you an item of some sorts :P

Rayquaza2016 May 13th, 2014 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Avant Garde (Post 8248176)
Personally, I want two dads this time around, like if you choose Male (Brendan) you get Professor Birch, if you choose Female (May) you get Norman. And tbh, I like if your dad shows up in the end of the Champion Battle and give you an item of some sorts :P

The item should be... uh... Master Ball? Then the Aqua Hideout's Master Ball should become... uh... a TM for Scald!

Norman should play a bigger role in ORAS. He's almost not involved with the game at all, other than helping Wally and giving you your 5th badge.

antemortem May 13th, 2014 3:24 AM

The item could be the Master Ball or a Mega stone, if those do make a return in the games.

I'd also like if each character has a different dad. It makes sense that May's dad would be Professor Birch by default since he's the scientific and inquisitive type and in the game your rival wants to complete the PokeDex and just go on a journey while Norman is the battling type and your character is supposed to challenge the League at the same time as everything else. Perhaps if you're May you can actually do Contest stuff...

ANYWAY, Norman affecting the game in that way would be interesting. I want to see him help you fight Team Magma/Aqua at some point since he seems like a character that would run out of his gym at impromptu moments to go rescue someone in peril. :p

Tsutarja May 13th, 2014 3:40 AM

I'm not so sure how they could portray Norman, other than being a well-respected figure of Petalburg City, the protagonist's father, and fifth gym leader. Maybe could be the one that introduces the Mega Ring upgrade, but perhaps not.

Salzorrah May 13th, 2014 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Terabyte (Post 8248256)
I'm not so sure how they could portray Norman, other than being a well-respected figure of Petalburg City, the protagonist's father, and fifth gym leader. Maybe could be the one that introduces the Mega Ring upgrade, but perhaps not.

Actually he could be the one! Other than Professor Birch of course. Can't seem to hurt and like you can get your starter's mega stone from him after you defeat him possibly?

SamStyle May 13th, 2014 3:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8247748)

As far as I know, RSE was the first pokemon game to have your father in the story line, and as a gym leader to boot. Personally, when I learned of this in my first play through of Sapphire, I thought for sure he would have a large role in the plot of the game. Unfortunately, there was little to do with your father besides assist Wally and then win the fifth gym badge. Do you think this will change in ORAS? Will Norman end up being integrated to the meddling of Team Magma and Aqua, or in any other way? Will his participation in his own son/daughter's adventure remain fairly minimal?

don't forget that he gives you the ticket for southern island (event)

blue May 13th, 2014 5:21 AM

Aside his current role as 5th Gym leader I don't really see them expanding on his storyline much. Perhaps he could have some involvement with Mega Evolutions and provide you with a Mega ring, after all it is around that time in the game you receive that item.

Zeturic May 13th, 2014 6:23 AM

Personally, I always found the Gym Leaders' and Pokemon League's apathy towards the villainous groups throughout the region oddly endearing.

Norman shouldn't get involved with the main plot.

Pendraflare May 13th, 2014 6:30 AM

In the original games, all you saw of him was in his Gym, so it would be nice to see more of him here. Maybe give him a better team? I doubt he'd have any real appearance in the big villainous team parts.

MarinoKadame May 13th, 2014 1:56 PM

Norman could have a Mega Slaking, we never know.

seeker May 13th, 2014 2:14 PM

Really do hope that Norman takes more of a prominent role in these games. Just seems so random that your father in RSE is just sitting in one room, in one spot, for pretty much the entire game with the same piece of dialogue every time. Not to say that your Mum's is much different, but at least she had a bit more life in her in X&Y. So to many degrees, I hope that both Norman and the mother of the player in the story take more of a prominent and "involved" stance. Especially with dialogue. Norman should be pretty well "in-the-know" when it comes to the goings-on in Hoenn, so I should be expecting him to know more about what the player is experiencing, especially when it comes to Team Magma/Aqua. I wouldn't mind if he had more involvement in the story for sure, but I really hope that Norman isn't the lifeless father sitting in the end of a gym all day with the same line "<Player>, you should go visit your mother every so often. I'm going to stay here and redouble my training. It would bother me as a Trainer to not avenge my loss to you, <player>!" every time I see him. Except for the rematches of course, in which his dialogue alters slightly (still boring).

Pepperton May 13th, 2014 3:37 PM

I'm definitely an advocate of expanding Norman as a character. His occupation being a Hoenn gym leader, one would think his son becoming a pokemon trainer tops his list of priorities. It didn't seem like that in RSE, and that should change. There are various things they could do to make him a more prominent character, whether it be including him in more of the clashes with Team Magma and Aqua, or encountering the player around the region.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2014 5:13 PM

Maybe they'll take a cue from Poke special and make Norman worry about us. Yet also keep the encouraging us aspect from RSE. A character who is conflicted makes for an interesting one.

Jellicent♀ May 13th, 2014 6:55 PM

He better get a bigger role. For him to whip my ass so many times in a row and then his role just end entirely except for the post-game "here ur ticket' bit is pretty irritating. Not only that but I think he's the type of character that would be able to have a big influence in the games if they just gave it to him.

Altairis May 13th, 2014 9:11 PM

I hope he shows up more! I mean, my dad's a gym leader but all he does is sit in one room until the post game? He doesn't even say hi to me when I move in? As much as Alder annoyed me, I hope he pulls an Alder in the remakes and shows up randomly to check up on the player. In the originals I always had gotten the vibe that he didn't really care that much, since he knew his kid was on a journey but he never even made an effort to say hi, haha.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2014 9:17 PM

Maybe they could make it so that at certain times of the day one can talk to Norman at home (after all he travels all the way to his gym). Like at night for example. He could give the player advise or act like the mother does, healing our Pokemon and telling us to take care.

Rivvon May 13th, 2014 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cyanosis (Post 8248159)
I haven't played Heart Gold or Soul Silver so I wouldn't know. Do any of the characters in those games get an extended role beyond what they do in Crystal, besides the Kimono girls?

Kind of. There are some added scenes you can watch unfold between various Gym Leaders which gives you a better idea of their characters.





Ahhhhh Norman. The dad everyone thinks is so mean but in reality is so tragic. He watches his child grow up, from not being able to leave town because the tall grass is scary, to defeating him at his own profession. It was great how you had a dad who wanted what was best for you, but at the same time wanted to succeed, himself. They could really play up that "fatherly love" kind of thing...perhaps a scene between him and your mother about how he doesn't want you to beat him not because he wants you to fail, but rather because he doesn't want you to grow up, leave, and never rely on him and your mother any more? You know, that typical "parent stuff" that makes you cry because of how much they care but still have to "let you go" to live your own life.

Norman is usually thought poorly of because of his lack of a role, especially as a father, but now that they have the opportunity to expand upon that, he could really become the father character players have been asking about in Pokémon games since its conception.

As for the female protagonist and male protagonist having different fathers, that would be a pretty neat idea, I admit. My only worry is that I wouldn't want one father to be given more depth than the other. But if executed correctly, that could be a really cool dynamic; one could set high hopes on his son, and the other could worry about the safety of his daughter? Game Freak does a really good job at challenging gender roles in their games, but I'm honestly not sure how far they'd be willing to take it in an instance like this--but honestly that's the only reason I can see for even having different fathers in this scenario. Otherwise it's just a visual difference that means that one gender misses out on the dynamic of competing with your own parent (which, as I've said, is a very interesting and complex one that I wish they would play up more for ORAS, because I'm certain they didn't want Norman to come off as unsupportive, but he did for most people because of how little he's involved in the game).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire May 13th, 2014 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8249711)
Kind of. There are some added scenes you can watch unfold between various Gym Leaders which gives you a better idea of their characters.





Ahhhhh Norman. The dad everyone thinks is so mean but in reality is so tragic. He watches his child grow up, from not being able to leave town because the tall grass is scary, to defeating him at his own profession. It was great how you had a dad who wanted what was best for you, but at the same time wanted to succeed, himself. They could really play up that "fatherly love" kind of thing...perhaps a scene between him and your mother about how he doesn't want you to beat him not because he wants you to fail, but rather because he doesn't want you to grow up, leave, and never rely on him and your mother any more? You know, that typical "parent stuff" that makes you cry because of how much they care but still have to "let you go" to live your own life.

Norman is usually thought poorly of because of his lack of a role, especially as a father, but now that they have the opportunity to expand upon that, he could really become the father character players have been asking about in Pokémon games since its conception.

As for the female protagonist and male protagonist having different fathers, that would be a pretty neat idea, I admit. My only worry is that I wouldn't want one father to be given more depth than the other. But if executed correctly, that could be a really cool dynamic; one could set high hopes on his son, and the other could worry about the safety of his daughter? Game Freak does a really good job at challenging gender roles in their games, but I'm honestly not sure how far they'd be willing to take it in an instance like this--but honestly that's the only reason I can see for even having different fathers in this scenario. Otherwise it's just a visual difference that means that one gender misses out on the dynamic of competing with your own parent (which, as I've said, is a very interesting and complex one that I wish they would play up more for ORAS, because I'm certain they didn't want Norman to come off as unsupportive, but he did for most people because of how little he's involved in the game).

To me Norman came off as being a more 'traditional'/samurai kind of father, one who comes off as distant but actually cares for his child, while also wanting them to succeed in what they do but push them on. His gym gave me the vibe of a dojo which in turn reminds me of the samurai whom had a show no weakness kind of attitude, not even towards one's own family.

Rivvon May 13th, 2014 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8249723)
To me Norman came off as being a more 'traditional'/samurai kind of father, one who comes off as distant but actually cares for his child, while also wanting them to succeed in what they do but push them on. His gym gave me the vibe of a dojo which in turn reminds me of the samurai whom had a show no weakness kind of attitude, not even towards one's own family.

That's a very good observation! Whichever way they decide to roll with Norman, I hope they enhance his character somehow. It makes me sad when so many people say Norman's a bad father, when all he's doing is looking out for his kid and himself.


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