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☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 11:28 AM

You are then extremely lucky that you have someone like that who can just give you a job, I have to work hard and even then I don't even get a reply from anyone.

Oryx May 31st, 2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278186)
When I went and applied at our local Wendy's, I waited an hour and a half for the GM to take his time having a leisurely conversation with one of his managers, and when I finally got to talk to them he was very aggressive in conversation and insulted my dress on the way in and the way out, also cutting me off mid-sentence on multiple occasions with me already incredibly nervous. He also attempted to dance around the questions and expected completely wrong answers out of me and got frustrated when I didn't answer the way he wanted to. My therapist says that my potential far exceeds anything he'll ever be, and my mother says I was dressed perfect for a fast food job interview, so I ain't worried. They can kiss my ass, 'cause I don't give a damn.

Oh man, real world jobs are going to chew you up and spit you out if you're starting job interviews with "he didn't want the right answers". Seriously.

Steven May 31st, 2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Umbreon (Post 8278535)
You are then extremely lucky that you have someone like that who can just give you a job, I have to work hard and even then I don't even get a reply from anyone.

eh, you're 17. It'll get easier when you turn 18/get out of school. A lot of places don't like to hire minors. Best of luck to you though!

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278558)
Oh man, real world jobs are going to chew you up and spit you out if you're starting job interviews with "he didn't want the right answers". Seriously.

When I have interviews, I like to pretend that I am Julia Roberts in a A-list movie. Because that's what interviews are..a big show. My boss always wonders why I hire the best people..it's because I don't put on the show. That's actually my first line when giving interviews.."Wow, you look really nice. I'm incredibly impressed! Just so you know though, this isn't a show anymore." Then I ask..actual relevant questions.

Oryx May 31st, 2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278589)
eh, you're 17. It'll get easier when you turn 18/get out of school. A lot of places don't like to hire minors. Best of luck to you though!



When I have interviews, I like to pretend that I am Julia Roberts in a A-list movie. Because that's what interviews are..a big show. My boss always wonders why I hire the best people..it's because I don't put on the show. That's actually my first line when giving interviews.."Wow, you look really nice. I'm incredibly impressed! Just so you know though, this isn't a show anymore." Then I ask..actual relevant questions.

I just like to be friendly. Half of how you get a job is a good culture fit - if they think you're a person that they like they'll be willing to go out of their way for you and such, think that you'll be willing to work on whatever flaws you might have, and you can talk yourself into a job when you have less experience ("I'm looking for a long-term job where I have room to grow so I'm worth training"). The job I have now, the manager likes me so he's already told me he's willing to be flexible with me on working from home vs. working in the office, and I haven't even started yet. :)

☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278589)
eh, you're 17. It'll get easier when you turn 18/get out of school. A lot of places don't like to hire minors. Best of luck to you though!


As for school I just finished last week, and I'll be turning 18 in December, but I was hoping to get a summer job because everyone around me that's between 15-17 have a job because the schools around us can help you find one if you're having trouble getting a job, but I was homeschooled so I feel odd out over that. xD

Oh well, it's just more of an excuse for me to stay indoors this summer.

Steven May 31st, 2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Umbreon (Post 8278627)
As for school I just finished last week, and I'll be turning 18 in December, but I was hoping to get a summer job because everyone around me that's between 15-17 have a job because the schools around us can help you find one if you're having trouble getting a job, but I was homeschooled so I feel odd out over that. xD

Oh well, it's just more of an excuse for me to stay indoors this summer.

I can see how people would be more willing the hire people who went to school over people who were homeschooled. There's a stigma surrounding it making people believe people who are homeschooled aren't as..socialized.

Maybe try and not bring up the fact you were homeschooled.

☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278641)
Maybe try and not bring up the fact you were homeschooled.

Mostly of the job applications I fill out usually have something for if you're still attending school that you must write out your school's details.

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278608)
I just like to be friendly. Half of how you get a job is a good culture fit - if they think you're a person that they like they'll be willing to go out of their way for you and such, think that you'll be willing to work on whatever flaws you might have, and you can talk yourself into a job when you have less experience ("I'm looking for a long-term job where I have room to grow so I'm worth training"). The job I have now, the manager likes me so he's already told me he's willing to be flexible with me on working from home vs. working in the office, and I haven't even started yet. :)

Unfortunately everyone is not a social butterfly and many aren't as skilled in what seems to come natural to you.

Also I just came to the stunning revelation that along with the owner of the McDonald's I'm applying at being a giant ♥♥♥♥♥ (one of her managers bestowed this info in casual conversation), but every single one of her assistant managers and her GM are female, say for this one guy who looks and acts incredibly effeminate (I have a hunch he's gay). This is not looking good for me. o_p

Oryx May 31st, 2014 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278660)
Unfortunately everyone is not a social butterfly and many aren't as skilled in what seems to come natural to you.

LOL. If you think being friendly/outgoing comes naturally to me, you really don't know me at all. I almost skipped the opportunity that got me my job because I was nervous to the point of extreme nausea at going to it alone. I've walked out of buildings in tears because there was a club meeting there but it wasn't clear where it was and I was too scared to ask people if they were part of the club. And this was all within the past few years. I just worked at it.

Steven May 31st, 2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Umbreon (Post 8278645)
Mostly of the job applications I fill out usually have something for if you're still attending school that you must write out your school's details.

A lot of hiring managers I know don't actually read the entire application. They just check relevant experience, if you have felonies, etc. Not saying you should lie, but try and find a way to say it without..actually saying it. This one girl I hired actually did this, she put her school down as "[Mother's name] Academy". I thought it was funny.

☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278684)
This one girl I hired actually did this, she put her school down as "[Mother's name] Academy".

I didn't know going to a forum made for Pokemon could give me some good advice about jobs. xD

Have you got any other tips?

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278670)
LOL. If you think being friendly/outgoing comes naturally to me, you really don't know me at all. I almost skipped the opportunity that got me my job because I was nervous to the point of extreme nausea at going to it alone. I've walked out of buildings in tears because there was a club meeting there but it wasn't clear where it was and I was too scared to ask people if they were part of the club. And this was all within the past few years. I just worked at it.

A lot of things come naturally to me, however personally I've always been rather socially awkward and have learned to remain quiet. You know, don't speak unless spoken to, behave cordially, show manners, be a gentleman… but I guess those qualities don't get me very far, eh? I'm also too quiet, and often don't know what to say, and walk funny, etc.

I'm not sure what you meant by those examples… I just thought that for some being smooth and socially attractive was easy, as so many other things are a given for me that it seemed sociability was just another trait. :/

Oryx May 31st, 2014 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278707)
A lot of things come naturally to me, however personally I've always been rather socially awkward and have learned to remain quiet. You know, don't speak unless spoken to, behave cordially, show manners, be a gentleman… but I guess those qualities don't get me very far, eh? I'm also too quiet, and often don't know what to say, and walk funny, etc.

I'm not sure what you meant by those examples… I just thought that for some being smooth and socially attractive was easy, as so many other things are a given for me that it seemed sociability was just another trait. :/

It's really, really rude to assume that because I do something, it must be because it comes naturally to me and not because of the effort I put forth. I worked for years at it and it's something that most everyone can do, excluding doctor-diagnosed social anxiety, it's just difficult and involves intentionally making yourself vulnerable.

Showing manners and being kind is a good thing. But if you're trying to make it in the job world, you have to learn how to put on a facade of cheerfulness and ease, because the world favors extroverts.

Steven May 31st, 2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Umbreon (Post 8278699)
I didn't know going to a forum made for Pokemon could give me some good advice about jobs. xD

Have you got any other tips?

A lot of the forum is all grown up now!

Dress for the job you want., not the job you're applying to. Have a sense of humor and don't talk too much. Stay to the point. :)

☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278733)
Dress for the job you want. Not the job you're applying to. Have a sense of humor, and don't talk too much. Stay to the point. :)

All of this is easily done, but the problem is getting passed the application part.

Steven May 31st, 2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Umbreon (Post 8278748)
All of this is easily done, but the problem is getting passed the application part.

Are you adding things that you did while being homeschooled?

Did you volunteer anywhere? Help a parent out at one of their jobs? Any kind of job is helpful on an application/resume even if it wasn't an official one. Heck, even going around a doing peoples' lawns is good. I put that I worked at my dad's company for a little bit while in high school and that was actually a major reason I got hired.

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278729)
It's really, really rude to assume that because I do something, it must be because it comes naturally to me and not because of the effort I put forth. I worked for years at it and it's something that most everyone can do, excluding doctor-diagnosed social anxiety, it's just difficult and involves intentionally making yourself vulnerable.

Presumptuous I would agree with. But rude? Umm…

Let's say I spent… five years designing an awesome ROM hack and publish it here for it to explode in popularity and become a coveted work of art. I'd actually find it polite for someone to presume such a thing about my work, wouldn't you agree? It tells me that what I'm really doing is paying off, no?

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278729)
Showing manners and being kind is a good thing. But if you're trying to make it in the job world, you have to learn how to put on a facade of cheerfulness and ease, because the world favors extroverts.

I'd much prefer to score a job where I didn't have to do that, as not only would I be holding true to myself but I wouldn't be giving my employer a false view of how I am and how I function. I've always ached at letting people down, even for the smallest of things…

☆Rei☆ May 31st, 2014 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by G.U.Y. (Post 8278757)
Are you adding things that you did while being homeschooled?

Did you volunteer anywhere? Help a parent out at one of their jobs? Any kind of job is helpful on an application/resume even if it wasn't an official one. Heck, even going around a doing peoples' lawns is good. I put that I worked at my dad's company for a little bit while in high school and that was actually a major reason I got hired.


Nope, there isn't really anything to add.

Nope again, and I assume that this is the major reason I don't get a job because of no experience.

Oryx May 31st, 2014 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278768)
Presumptuous I would agree with. But rude? Umm…

Let's say I spent… five years designing an awesome ROM hack and publish it here for it to explode in popularity and become a coveted work of art. I'd actually find it polite for someone to presume such a thing about my work, wouldn't you agree? It tells me that what I'm really doing is paying off, no?


I'd much prefer to score a job where I didn't have to do that, as not only would I be holding true to myself but I wouldn't be giving my employer a false view of how I am and function. I've always ached at letting people down, even for the smallest of things…

No, it tells me that all the work I've done is being dismissed as something I was born with and haven't had to work at. It tells me I shouldn't be proud of what I've done, because it wasn't something I've done, it's something I was just given from the start.

You don't really get to pick acting how you want on the job until you have a skill. When you're looking at entry-level fast food jobs (and even fresh-out-of-college jobs at times), there's a couple dozen people to replace you if you leave a bad impression on the manager.

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278780)
No, it tells me that all the work I've done is being dismissed as something I was born with and haven't had to work at. It tells me I shouldn't be proud of what I've done, because it wasn't something I've done, it's something I was just given from the start.

I never understood how the presence of effort affects the validity of a genuine gift. By that it makes no sense to me to tie pride into that, either. >:

Oryx May 31st, 2014 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278790)
I never understood how the presence of effort affects the validity of a genuine gift. By that it makes no sense to me to tie pride into that, either. >:

Same reason I'm not proud to be an American - I didn't do anything to become an American, I was just born in America. If I didn't do anything to become good at surface-level interactions, it's not something I should take pride in. But if I work at something, it makes sense to take pride in it.

I'm not even convinced that talent is a thing that has a direct influence on people above the age of like 10 anyway. The people that are really good at things are those that put effort into it, it just happens that if you have a spark of initial talent people encourage you so you put in that work earlier - so a few years later when you have 500 hours of drawing experience to your classmate's 50, they say "you're so talented!!!"

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278804)
Same reason I'm not proud to be an American - I didn't do anything to become an American, I was just born in America. If I didn't do anything to become good at surface-level interactions, it's not something I should take pride in. But if I work at something, it makes sense to take pride in it.

Well, I wouldn't say being American is an accomplishment or a gift of sorts… unlike your knack for sociability or my natural gift for speech or mathematics or memorization. :V

Alexander Nicholi May 31st, 2014 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oryx (Post 8278838)
You're putting accomplishment and gift in the same category. This is exactly what I was talking about when I pointed out the issue with what you're saying. Accomplishments are things to be proud of; gifts are not. I mean, assuming gifts exist beyond the most basic "ability to learn" and aren't just encouraged from a young age, which I'm not granting as truth.

I don't understand why pride has any relevance in a significant and useful skill. :/

Raine May 31st, 2014 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 8278846)
I don't understand why pride has any relevance in a significant and useful skill. :/

Is this still on the topic of work? o.o Talking about your personal accomplishments shows employers what you're capable of, and often times, people from collectivist cultures downplay their individual achievements to instead focus on the project itself. In North America, because of the individualist nature of the culture, I think it's important to let people know what you've accomplished, but not in a cocky manner.

Oryx May 31st, 2014 1:41 PM

Oh Raine you got your name change! :) I thought it had too many posts or was too new or something.


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