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Saint Sophie June 5th, 2014 4:38 PM

Anyone else HATE the Vermilion Gym trash can puzzle?
 
I'm playing Pokémon Blue atm and it's occurred to me how annoying this puzzle is. About 15 minutes in and for some reason I can't seem to complete the Vermilion Gym Puzzle. I know the rule is that the switch is in a 'trash can right next to the other' but that means more often than not you can get a 1 in 4 chance of getting it correct. So if you're having really bad luck (which I currently am having), you could effectively be stuck at this puzzle forever.


Has anyone else spent ages on this puzzle as a result of very bad luck? The longest I think I spent on it was half an hour. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to me again. Sometimes I get it first time round, but it occurred to me how frustrating this puzzle really is, since it relies on pure luck. Generally my luck on the puzzle is quite poor, lol.

Hiatus June 6th, 2014 4:14 PM

It's taken me about an hour and a half to completely this puzzle, if I remember correctly. :( Didn't like it at all; I seriously wish it were easier. I might give these games another go someday, and will see how it goes this time around!

The Void June 6th, 2014 7:20 PM

I actually think it's fun. It provides a non-battle related challenge in the game, and at the same time highlights the electric theme of the gym as well.

Altairis June 6th, 2014 7:31 PM

I really didn't like it, just because it was random instead of a real puzzle like the rest of the gyms.

classiccartoonsftw June 6th, 2014 11:50 PM

I hated it too, because you needed too much luck to complete it. Hell, I've skipped this gym on my first playthrough, and didn't come back until I defeated Blaine.

However, the usage of emulators and save states has made this gym much more bearable for me.

Guardian June 7th, 2014 4:08 AM

That's weird, I never even noticed it, I just took two random cans, I believe I got them right in both Yellow and Firered from the first one. Lol, weird. xD

LusoTrainer June 7th, 2014 4:43 AM

I don't hate it, but it was certainly annoying. Even when years later I was playing the remakes for the first time, I had bad flashbacks about it.

Proteun June 7th, 2014 6:18 AM

I actually have great luck everytime I do that puzzle (never took more than three times for me), but I think it is just a an unnecessary addition to the games. Just like most gym puzzles, by the way.

SaniOKh June 7th, 2014 8:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 8288657)
I really didn't like it, just because it was random instead of a real puzzle like the rest of the gyms.

That pretty much sums up my opinion of this "puzzle" as well. I like puzzles in gyms in general, but since this one does not follow any kind of logic but relies on dumb luck, I can't classify it as a puzzle.

Megan June 7th, 2014 9:35 AM

I think, last time I got it on my first try. The stupidest thing about this puzzle is: if you check a trash can and there's no switch in it and after that you check another one that's next to it and has a switch in it, there's a chance that the second switch is in the can you just checked (where did this switch suddenly come from?).

nesinomics June 7th, 2014 3:12 PM

I used to hate it so much as a kid until I realized that the second bin is going to be next to the first which made it a lot easier. Now I only dislike it.

Kikaito plush June 8th, 2014 2:33 AM

I do not hate it just find it really annoying puzzle to do.

Imperator161 June 8th, 2014 6:26 PM

I hated that puzzle when I first played Red. I had awful luck with it, and it took me a really long time to clear it. I've had much better luck with it since, but I still don't like it too much.

LyokoGirl5000 June 10th, 2014 3:51 PM

I despise that gym puzzle. I know the second lock is in the trash can right next to the first, but it seems like I never get it right. Recently, I tried saving and restarting the game after finding the first lock. Doesn't work, the game resets the locks when you restart even in the originals.

enigmaeffect June 12th, 2014 5:05 AM

It does suck that there's no skill whatsoever involved in solving it, but it's not the hardest thing in the world, since your odds of choosing the right second switch never fall below 25%.

Yato June 12th, 2014 9:28 AM

It's annoying, sure, but I don't hate it. Like others have said, it provides a bit of a challenge, albeit one based on luck. Plus, none of the other gyms have as annoying puzzles, so it being a one-time thing is a lot better than having difficult/bothersome puzzles in all the gyms.

LavenderTownGhost June 12th, 2014 6:02 PM

Haha, yes. I have very bad luck as well and always choose the wrong trashcan when I find the first one. What an obnoxious puzzle. xD

WhiteLioness June 13th, 2014 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint Sophie (Post 8287337)
I'm playing Pokémon Blue atm and it's occurred to me how annoying this puzzle is. About 15 minutes in and for some reason I can't seem to complete the Vermilion Gym Puzzle. I know the rule is that the switch is in a 'trash can right next to the other' but that means more often than not you can get a 1 in 4 chance of getting it correct. So if you're having really bad luck (which I currently am having), you could effectively be stuck at this puzzle forever.


Has anyone else spent ages on this puzzle as a result of very bad luck? The longest I think I spent on it was half an hour. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to me again. Sometimes I get it first time round, but it occurred to me how frustrating this puzzle really is, since it relies on pure luck. Generally my luck on the puzzle is quite poor, lol.

I guess I was lucky, because I'd always guess correctly and I'd be done within a few minutes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LyokoGirl5000 (Post 8294949)
I know the second lock is in the trash can right next to the first.

Right, that's why I'd always complete it so fast because I knew that too.

Pepperton June 13th, 2014 12:54 PM

Despised this puzzle with a passion. I'm pretty sure it was the sole reason it took forever for me to get through my first run of Kanto. After trying to complete it for hours upon hours, I decided to give up. Only weeks later did I want to pick it up and try again. Sure, it adds a bit of challenge to the games, but they could've found a way to make it more challenging without being such a tedious, frustrating puzzle.

Khoshi June 15th, 2014 4:38 PM

I didn't really find any problems with it personally, probably due to me having no knowledge of the older games and having to resort to the internet for help during my travels, and having the lack of the cause of frustration, I had no issues. I should probably try without external aid. :x

CelticsPhan June 15th, 2014 7:18 PM

I hated doing the cans, but since I've watched speedrunners, the cans became clear to me.

http://i.imgur.com/mCgVe4w.jpg
^Note that this trick only works in the original RBY. You do not need to worry about the cans in GSC's Vermilion. FRLG and HGSS are both mandatory and don't follow such an easy system.

Girl June 15th, 2014 9:24 PM

I've never had a problem with this gym. I'm surprised that so many have had trouble.

curiousnathan June 15th, 2014 10:32 PM

I always found that puzzle easy (luck I suppose, I just guess where they are lol). I agree though, it is a pretty boring puzzle.

«Chuckles» July 15th, 2014 1:50 AM

I hated them with a passion, so difficult...

Lafosse64 July 15th, 2014 6:22 AM

actually i found it easy. I was 8 years old when I first solved the puzzle on Pokemon Blue and took me about 5 minutes to do it. Of course I was lucky, the second time on Pokemon Yellow took me a bit more but still. ALL HAIL THE FIRST GENERATION! :D


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