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shippothekit June 29th, 2014 5:29 PM

Player Search System & Backwards Compatibility?
 
Do you guys think that the player search system will be backwards compatible with X and Y or only between players of OR/AS?

Pendraflare June 29th, 2014 5:42 PM

One problem that occurs to me would be that XY may not recognize Brendan/May's sprites from ORAS on the PSS, but they could just disguise them like the male/female characters from XY. I get that idea because if you were to trade between Hoenn and FRLG in Gen III, the FRLG character would show up as Brendan/May. Regardless, i'd imagine you could trade and battle between both games.

Wicked3DS June 29th, 2014 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer (Post 8323555)
One problem that occurs to me would be that XY may not recognize Brendan/May's sprites from ORAS on the PSS, but they could just disguise them like the male/female characters from XY. I get that idea because if you were to trade between Hoenn and FRLG in Gen III, the FRLG character would show up as Brendan/May. Regardless, i'd imagine you could trade and battle between both games.

DLC will fix this. I guarantee before OR/AS come out there will be an update for X/Y to give us this plus the extra Mega Evolutions.

MrGriszell June 29th, 2014 8:42 PM

How do we know it isn't already in the code and just not presented to us in XY?
Do we know for fact that the new mega Evo's data isn't already in XY ? It seems mega LATIOS and Latias are in it , so why not the rest?

JDJ June 29th, 2014 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 8323809)
How do we know it isn't already in the code and just not presented to us in XY?
Do we know for fact that the new mega Evo's data isn't already in XY ? It seems mega LATIOS and Latias are in it , so why not the rest?

Well, we are fairly certain we do know that the other mega Evos are not currently in X and Y. We found that out when we found out that the megaforms for Latios and Latias were in the game. And as for why not the rest: time. They simply weren't finished. The Latios/as forms also could have been scrapped ideas for X and Y that they decided to push off at some point for the ORAS release.

MrGriszell July 1st, 2014 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JDJ (Post 8323898)
Well, we are fairly certain we do know that the other mega Evos are not currently in X and Y. We found that out when we found out that the megaforms for Latios and Latias were in the game. And as for why not the rest: time. They simply weren't finished. The Latios/as forms also could have been scrapped ideas for X and Y that they decided to push off at some point for the ORAS release.

I'm not sure I can agree with you "time" wise, I mean the games are out only 1 year after XY. I'd think they'd do all the megas together and decide which games to introduce them in

antemortem July 2nd, 2014 4:05 AM

Anything like new Megas not being in X/Y can be solved with a quick patch. It's no big deal. I think there will be cross-compatibility with no problem. If anything it'd be welcome because I know people with X/Y will be wanting to duke it out with their Kalos teams against revamped Hoenn trainers. ;o

MrGriszell July 2nd, 2014 5:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Antemortem (Post 8326791)
Anything like new Megas not being in X/Y can be solved with a quick patch. It's no big deal. I think there will be cross-compatibility with no problem. If anything it'd be welcome because I know people with X/Y will be wanting to duke it out with their Kalos teams against revamped Hoenn trainers. ;o

The thing is I don't there's a need for a any patches

Canen July 2nd, 2014 5:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Wicked3DS (Post 8323590)
DLC will fix this. I guarantee before OR/AS come out there will be an update for X/Y to give us this plus the extra Mega Evolutions.

This.

Nintendo are smart and will surely realise there will need to be an element of backward compatibility.

The wonderous thing about the modern age is the ability to patch and update via DLC.

Skystrike July 2nd, 2014 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 8326852)
The thing is I don't there's a need for a any patches

You don't think there's a need for any patches...?

All the new Megas aren't in X/Y's data, if you're battling an OR/AS trainer and they go to mega evolve their Pokémon, the game will most likely try to load a model that doesn't exist...

I think that there will be a patch when the games come out. (This is wishful thinking from me because I'd like everyone to be able to get a chance to get the new Mega Stones without being able to just use a Powersave on X/Y to get the new Megas :p)

Also PSS is pretty much the only way to retain X/Y compatbility, and surely they're using X/Ys engine so it should already be there in the code, so why not?

MrGriszell July 2nd, 2014 9:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyain (Post 8327008)
You don't think there's a need for any patches...?

All the new Megas aren't in X/Y's data, if you're battling an OR/AS trainer and they go to mega evolve their Pokémon, the game will most likely try to load a model that doesn't exist...

I think that there will be a patch when the games come out. (This is wishful thinking from me because I'd like everyone to be able to get a chance to get the new Mega Stones without being able to just use a Powersave on X/Y to get the new Megas :p)

Also PSS is pretty much the only way to retain X/Y compatbility, and surely they're using X/Ys engine so it should already be there in the code, so why not?

I was under the impression that people weren't able to completely hack into the games to discover all it's secrets , was that true? If so maybe all the data is already in the game. But hey if your right and we need patches to use them then this doesn't exclude us getting brand new pokemon

Cadeorade5 July 2nd, 2014 10:23 AM

I really hope so... If X and Y doesn't have certain Mega Evolutions like in OR/AS, Pokemon can always put out an update.

ilias_ July 2nd, 2014 10:46 AM

I just hope the PSS is going to be in the game. And I hope they add more O-Powers! I'm sure if they bring it back then it's gonna be compatible with X&Y! I mean, we're still in Gen 6. ;)

Pepperton July 2nd, 2014 4:30 PM

It's probably not too difficult for Game Freak to patch X and Y with a few Mega evolutions from ORAS, so I think it's probable that PSS makes an appearance in Hoenn and is backwards compatible with Kalos. Would be cool if it were an application on the PokeNav, I think. Gives some more relevance to the mechanic aside from Match Calls.

Yato July 2nd, 2014 4:51 PM

Given how HGSS has been backwards compatible with DPPt and FRLG with RS (not counting Emerald since that came after FRLG) when the games couldn't even be patched, I have no doubt ORAS will be backwards compatible with XY. I also don't doubt the PSS will make a return; I can see it reappearing on the bottom screen again, but as a PokeNav application. (Makes the PokeNav more useful, if you ask me.) Lastly, I do agree that there will be a patch for XY so you can battle against and utilize the Megas revealed in ORAS.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 2nd, 2014 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyain (Post 8327008)
You don't think there's a need for any patches...?

All the new Megas aren't in X/Y's data, if you're battling an OR/AS trainer and they go to mega evolve their Pokémon, the game will most likely try to load a model that doesn't exist...

I think that there will be a patch when the games come out. (This is wishful thinking from me because I'd like everyone to be able to get a chance to get the new Mega Stones without being able to just use a Powersave on X/Y to get the new Megas :p)

Also PSS is pretty much the only way to retain X/Y compatbility, and surely they're using X/Ys engine so it should already be there in the code, so why not?

In Gen V one could battle with Absofused (aka White/Black) Kyurem against players playing BW. The Kyurem formes still worked normally. So ORAS Megas might too. Or course the issue is how the opponent will know someone in ORAS Mega Evolved a Pokémon...
Also they will need to add in the Primal Reversion's new signature moves (hinted at) and possibly new abilities into XY as it's not in the code (unless it was so well hidden no one found it).

About PSS. Likely they'll add in some of it's features into the Pokénav but O-Powers may not be added nor Aime or any of the other things. Especially since PSS is Kalos' version of the Pokénav. The Pokégear wasn't turned into a Pokétech during HGSS so I doubt the Pokénav will be turned into the PSS.

Superfox July 3rd, 2014 7:59 AM

So, how will ORAS and X/Y relate to each other?
 
Especially with the advent of Pokémon Bank. With some of the new mega evolutions being revealed, will ORAS users be able to trade items to their XY versions, such as the new mega stones. And will they then be able to mega evolve the Pokémon whose mega forms have been revealed in ORAS?

Or how about any new content that's being revealed in ORAS? Will
Nintendo release a patch to make any new features in those games compatible with X/Y?

Skystrike July 3rd, 2014 8:39 AM

We are not patching X and Y to make it compatible with OR and AS.

Please understand.

Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure we're going to get a patch

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 3rd, 2014 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyain (Post 8328541)
We are not patching X and Y to make it compatible with OR and AS.

Please understand.

Spoiler:
I'm pretty sure we're going to get a patch

It'll still be compatible with XY even without a patch...it's just the Megas in ORAS that are messy seeing how unlike formes they work in battle...so they can't do the Black/White Kyurem thing as one can Mega evolve against someone with XY and they wouldn't even know that the person in ORAS went Mega on them...unless they allow the Pokemon to have the Mega animation but the model remain the same afterwards...

Birthday Thunder July 3rd, 2014 6:30 PM

Uh, you people do realize that Mega Latias, and Mega Latios, which are going to officially be revealed and released in ORAS are already in X and Y right? If the other megas (ie Swampert, Sableye, Sceptile, etc.) are not deep within the coding somewhere, then Gamefreak will just release a patch for X and Y making them available. We don't live in the 90's anymore. Games like these are not impossible to patch/update. In fact, it's just the opposite.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 3rd, 2014 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Birthday Thunder (Post 8329277)
Uh, you people do realize that Mega Latias, and Mega Latios, which are going to officially be revealed and released in ORAS are already in X and Y right? If the other megas (ie Swampert, Sableye, Sceptile, etc.) are not deep within the coding somewhere, then Gamefreak will just release a patch for X and Y making them available. We don't live in the 90's anymore. Games like these are not impossible to patch/update. In fact, it's just the opposite.

In the end I think it's more about if GF has the desire to update XY with them rather than anything else.

Birthday Thunder July 3rd, 2014 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8329419)
In the end I think it's more about if GF has the desire to update XY with them rather than anything else.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I really do hope they get the desire to do so because, while I am happy that we are getting remakes of ruby and sapphire, I feel like that was just lazy move on GF's part because they don't actually want to update X and Y. Everything that they are introducing in ORAS could have been implemented through patches and updates to X and Y. Except for the whole ORAS story, mind you.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 3rd, 2014 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Birthday Thunder (Post 8329450)
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I really do hope they get the desire to do so because, while I am happy that we are getting remakes of ruby and sapphire, I feel like that was just lazy move on GF's part because they don't actually want to update X and Y. Everything that they are introducing in ORAS could have been implemented through patches and updates to X and Y. Except for the whole ORAS story, mind you.

Speaking of updates for XY I hope that GF won't consider them "DLC" as they said they wouldn't do it, or that they break their word on that. There's a member on here who uses that as an argument for why they won't patch it.
Also perhaps GF will hold off on updating it on day one of ORAS release for some time down the road in order to get people to buy ORAS instead of trade to get the new stones and Primals. Okay now Primals are very interesting as they didn't exist in XY, but from what we've seen they seem to work similar to Megas so I don't see any issue there.

Birthday Thunder July 3rd, 2014 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8329466)
Speaking of updates for XY I hope that GF won't consider them "DLC" as they said they wouldn't do it, or that they break their word on that. There's a member on here who uses that as an argument for why they won't patch it.
Also perhaps GF will hold off on updating it on day one of ORAS release for some time down the road in order to get people to buy ORAS instead of trade to get the new stones and Primals. Okay now Primals are very interesting as they didn't exist in XY, but from what we've seen they seem to work similar to Megas so I don't see any issue there.


I really do hope that GF doesn't go and make any X/Y updates/patches into paid DLC. I personally don't think they will though. That would be a d*ck move. I think primals will work exactly the same as megas. I mean, in essence, they are the same thing from what we've seen and been told. Groudon changes types, just like megas can. He get's a base stat increase, just like megas do. Etc, etc. They just won't do megas for legendaries like Dialga, Groudon, Rayquaza and others. They will probably just make primal formes for them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 3rd, 2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Birthday Thunder (Post 8329479)
I really do hope that GF doesn't go and make any X/Y updates/patches into paid DLC. I personally don't think they will though. That would be a d*ck move. I think primals will work exactly the same as megas. I mean, in essence, they are the same thing from what we've seen and been told. Groudon changes types, just like megas can. He get's a base stat increase, just like megas do. Etc, etc. They just won't do megas for legendaries like Dialga, Groudon, Rayquaza and others. They will probably just make primal formes for them.

I don't think they'll do that...and if they do that would be bad (for us).


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