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Salzorrah July 10th, 2014 3:53 AM

The new and improved Hoenn Dex! Now with 20% more awesomeness :33
 
We know that we had a fair share of 202 Pokemon in the local Hoenn Dex. That itself is pretty large considering it is 202/386 total Pokemon. Do you think that we will get more additions to the Hoenn Dex? Will some get removed? What do you think will the total number of Pokemon will be available in the game?

Discuss!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 4:48 AM

The title miss led me into thinking an addition to the Hoenn dex was confirmed xD.
I doubt any will be removed. I hope that just the Gen 4 pre-evos and evos to Hoenn dex Pokòmon are added and I'll be happy with it. I wouldn't mind it staying the same like Kanto's dex did either.

Ultan July 10th, 2014 4:52 AM

In X and Y you can transfer pokemon that aren't in the Costal/Mountain/The other one Kalos pokedex at the start of the game before you get the national dex, so IMO it doesn't matter how much there will be.

But I do think pokemon such as Gallade/Froslass will be in it as that would make sense. Any new pokemon getting a Mega that was not originally in the R/S Pokedex should be added (not sure about Diance though). And personally I hope pokemon that were not available/catch-able/obtainable without pokebank (other than legendaries) for X/Y are catchable in OR/AS such as Misdreavus. I could also see some pokes like Cherubi get added because of their moves/ability realating to weather...

Katunei999 July 10th, 2014 4:55 AM

I think it will be pretty much the same as last time, seeing as it's a re-make. I think they'll make Mawile and Sableye version exclusive again, because they both have a mega evolution. But I doubt they will introduce new Pokémon, or take any of the Hoenn region specific Pokémon out. Though after the League, maybe more Pokémon will pop up? Speaking of which, the Safari Zone will probably have a different range of Pokémon, and the Pokédex might accommodate newer Pokémon. Like, maybe now you can find Woobat in Rusturf Tunnel, or Hawlucha in Route 119.

Pokefan203302 July 10th, 2014 5:05 AM

In the Official art for super secret bases, it was shown that there is a Litwick and Lapras doll. This seems to hint that more than just Hoenn pokemon will appear.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 6:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokefan203302 (Post 8340866)
In the Official art for super secret bases, it was shown that there is a Litwick and Lapras doll. This seems to hint that more than just Hoenn pokemon will appear.

It's promotional art, they usually tend to have Pokemon that aren't even native to the dex of the game. Also note that the Kanto starters also have dolls, and I don't think they'll be part of a fourth regional Pokedex any time soon (if anyone wants to know what the three are they're Kanto, Johto, and Central Kalos).

Pinkie-Dawn July 10th, 2014 6:36 AM

I believe 250 is the best suited number for an expanded Hoenn dex, because there are 135 Hoenn Pokémon, and you don't want the number of non-Hoenn mons to outnumber it. Just look at the Unova dex in B2/W2, which had a total of 300 Pokémon. There are 155 Unova mons, and the dex has 145 non-Unova mons, so it doesn't outnumber the Unova mons. That because ORAS is a remake of an odd-numbered gen, so the new mons are suppose to outnumber the old mons, whereas with even-numbered gens, it's the exact opposite.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 6:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8340997)
I believe 250 is the best suited number for an expanded Hoenn dex, because there are 135 Hoenn Pokémon, and you don't want the number of non-Hoenn mons to outnumber it. Just look at the Unova dex in B2/W2, which had a total of 300 Pokémon. There are 155 Unova mons, and the dex has 145 non-Unova mons, so it doesn't outnumber the Unova mons. That because ORAS is a remake of an odd-numbered gen, so the new mons are suppose to outnumber the old mons, whereas with even-numbered gens, it's the exact opposite.

That's true, I wouldn't like it if the Gen III pokemon were outnumbered by Gen I, II, IV, V, and even VI pokemon combined. Maybe the addition mentioned is only the Sinnoh evolutions...

blue July 10th, 2014 7:14 AM

According to CoroCoro there are different Pokemon in Hoenn than before, hopefully this means in addition to the original 202!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure (Post 8341074)
According to CoroCoro there are different Pokemon in Hoenn than before, hopefully this means in addition to the original 202!

I'm hoping they'll limit it to the Sinnoh evolutionary relatives and perhaps add in a few ice and ghost types such as Lapras and the Litwick lines so that they will hopefully give them to Glacia and Phoebe.

blue July 10th, 2014 8:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8341104)
I'm hoping they'll limit it to the Sinnoh evolutionary relatives and perhaps add in a few ice and ghost types such as Lapras and the Litwick lines so that they will hopefully give them to Glacia and Phoebe.

Same. I hope to see a small amount from each region perhaps, obviously not over doing it but a similar figure to the Dex in B2/W2 would be nice.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure (Post 8341208)
Same. I hope to see a small amount from each region perhaps, obviously not over doing it but a similar figure to the Dex in B2/W2 would be nice.

I hope not that much. 98 more Pokemon seems like a lot and would cause them to outnumber the Gen III Pokemon in the dex. Pinkie's number of 250 seems good, I wouldn't mind something the size of Pt's dex.

Perriechu July 10th, 2014 8:33 AM

They'll definitely add the 4th evolutions like Froslass, Dusknoir etc. Then they'll probably add more Pokemon to make Glacia and Phoebe's teams more interesting. And hopefully some more Steel Pokemon to make Steven's team more to his type than Fossil's, lmao. Something like Skarmory, Klinklang, Aggron, Magnezone, Steelix, and Metagross. His pitiful excuse of a "Steel" team in RSE was awful lol.

I would like the dex to be a lot bigger, though, it seemed that a lot of the routes in RSE had a lot of the same Pokemon. I'd even like to see it expanded to be as big as X & Y's was tbh.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Perrie ✿ (Post 8341225)
They'll definitely add the 4th evolutions like Froslass, Dusknoir etc. Then they'll probably add more Pokemon to make Glacia and Phoebe's teams more interesting. And hopefully some more Steel Pokemon to make Steven's team more to his type than Fossil's, lmao. Something like Skarmory, Klinklang, Aggron, Magnezone, Steelix, and Metagross. His pitiful excuse of a "Steel" team in RSE was awful lol.

I would like the dex to be a lot bigger, though, it seemed that a lot of the routes in RSE had a lot of the same Pokemon. I'd even like to see it expanded to be as big as X & Y's was tbh.

XY was diverse in the Pokemon we found in a route, just like they (GF) said they'll be. I just don't want it to be Kalos' size, that's just too much. Hoenn isn't as big as Kalos (it' the third biggest region, with Sinnoh being second, and Kalos first I think). But then again in the tropics one is likely to find as much more diversity in one spoonful of soil than in the whole Tundra.

blue July 10th, 2014 9:23 AM

I think it would be wise to add a small number of Kalos Pokémon, with these games being tied in with Gen VI I think it would be a good way to connect with X & Y.

Yato July 10th, 2014 9:23 AM

I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos. If GF decides to add any unrelated Pokemon, I'd like to see more Ice types, particularly the Swinub line (Mamoswine is a fantastic Ice type and would be so useful for Glacia to have), Lapras (also useful), and the Jynx line (Jynx may get a Mega Evo., so having her in the game could make sense).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341312)
I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos. If GF decides to add any unrelated Pokemon, I'd like to see more Ice types, particularly the Swinub line (Mamoswine is a fantastic Ice type and would be so useful for Glacia to have), Lapras (also useful), and the Jynx line (Jynx may get a Mega Evo., so having her in the game could make sense).

Not native? Well they are native, they simply weren't introduce in Gen III like Absol and friends.

In addition to the Gen IV evolutions I want some Ice types, Ghost types, Fairy types, Water types (for Aqua and underwater), Ground and Fire types (for Magma and to be added in the desert and Mt. Chimney area), and 1-3 dragon lines to be added.

Abby July 10th, 2014 9:43 AM

Im all for the fairies and gen fours to be added.

Rivvon July 10th, 2014 11:29 AM

I'd be fine if we got a large amount of new Pokémon in the Hoenn Dex this time around. As long as the Hoenn Pokémon are made more common, they won't particularly be "overshadowed" (unlike XY, where there were hardly any Kalos Pokémon, and they were, for the most part, rare to find). I'm especially hoping for (a fair amount of) the Pokémon that can (currently) only be obtained through Pokémon Bank to be added to ORAS (this includes the gen 2 starters, and the Frillish line, which I really want to see in these games, personally).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8341509)
I'd be fine if we got a large amount of new Pokémon in the Hoenn Dex this time around. As long as the Hoenn Pokémon are made more common, they won't particularly be "overshadowed" (unlike XY, where there were hardly any Kalos Pokémon, and they were, for the most part, rare to find). I'm especially hoping for (a fair amount of) the Pokémon that can (currently) only be obtained through Pokémon Bank to be added to ORAS (this includes the gen 2 starters, and the Frillish line, which I really want to see in these games, personally).

Misdevius and Frillish lines are ghost which would also help Phoebe get a more diverse team, so I hope so.

Yato July 10th, 2014 11:54 AM

I'd also like to see Pokemon Bank-exclusive ones added in. I'm all for the Ghosts being included to help with Phoebe's team so she isn't stuck with two Dusclops (though, she might have a Dusknoir if Gen. IV evos. are included) and two Banettes. Yamask and Cofagrigus are also not available in Kalos, so it's a possibility that they could be added as well.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341565)
I'd also like to see Pokemon Bank-exclusive ones would also be nice to see added in. I'm all for the Ghosts being included to help with Phoebe's team so she isn't stuck with two Dusclops (though, she might have a Dusknoir if Gen. IV evos. are included) and two Banettes. Yamask and Cofagrigus are also not available in Kalos, so it's a possibility that they could be added as well.

A lot of ghost types...it'll be great though if they were added.

Sabrewulf238 July 10th, 2014 12:35 PM

The thing is, whatever they do with the region pokedex it'll be a step down from X/Y. (Which I think had something like 450 pokemon in the Kalos pokedex) Unless they intend to more than double the amount of pokemon catchable in Hoenn?

I'm guessing (after hearing about corocoro) that we'll get a smattering of mainly 4th and 5th gen pokemon. Maybe a couple 6th gen ones too. Of course Eevee and the Eeveelutions will probably be added.

I hope they add all of the non Hoenn pokemon that had to be migrated/bred rather than caught in X/Y. (Meowth, Misdreavus, Darumaka, Yamask etc)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 8341662)
The thing is, whatever they do with the region pokedex it'll be a step down from X/Y. (Which I think had something like 450 pokemon in the Kalos pokedex) Unless they intend to more than double the amount of pokemon catchable in Hoenn?

I'm guessing (after hearing about corocoro) that we'll get a smattering of mainly 4th and 5th gen pokemon. Maybe a couple 6th gen ones too. Of course Eevee and the Eeveelutions will probably be added.

I hope they add all of the non Hoenn pokemon that had to be migrated/bred rather than caught in X/Y. (Meowth, Misdreavus, Darumaka, Yamask etc)

I hope so too, then all Pokemon will be obtainable in Gen VI (minus a few legends). Well the legends could be added post game to catch like the Creation Trio, and the Beast trio, as well as the Johto Bird Duo, oh and Mew. The other legends can be in 'Z'.

Xander Olivieri July 10th, 2014 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341312)
I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos.

HG/SS didn't add that many. Mamoswine, Lickilicky, Tangrowth, and Yanmega are the only four that come immediately to mind, and only because they evolved by Moves that the Pokemon learned naturally. Togekiss, wasn't available until Post-game when you got a Shiny Stone, Misdrevous couldn't evolve until post game either. All of the Johto Pokemon that got add ons later weren't available to evolve until the Post-Game. Even Electrivire and Magmortor weren't available until then.


As for the CoroCoro leak, it only says "Different Pokemon in Hoenn than before." That does not mean that they just added. They could have removed some other Pokemon and replaced them, or did an exclusive shuffle. This reference may not even be true until Post-game. Like how Johto had non-native Pokemon roaming its lands in the post-game. It says nothing about pokedex updates, only that there could be more Pokemon that weren't in Hoenn before, which if you trade with Sinnoh, Unova or Kalos, this is a true fact.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Khrysta (Post 8341849)
HG/SS didn't add that many. Mamoswine, Lickilicky, Tangrowth, and Yanmega are the only four that come immediately to mind, and only because they evolved by Moves that the Pokemon learned naturally. Togekiss, wasn't available until Post-game when you got a Shiny Stone, Misdrevous couldn't evolve until post game either. All of the Johto Pokemon that got add ons later weren't available to evolve until the Post-Game. Even Electrivire and Magmortor weren't available until then.


As for the CoroCoro leak, it only says "Different Pokemon in Hoenn than before." That does not mean that they just added. They could have removed some other Pokemon and replaced them, or did an exclusive shuffle. This reference may not even be true until Post-game. Like how Johto had non-native Pokemon roaming its lands in the post-game. It says nothing about pokedex updates, only that there could be more Pokemon that weren't in Hoenn before, which if you trade with Sinnoh, Unova or Kalos, this is a true fact.

I mentioned those two points in the DCC trend. The second is kind of obvious as they added Pokemon to FrLG and HGSS for the Post game and even for third versions such as Emerald. I really hope it's not the first one as I like the Gen I and II Pokemon we got in RSE and would hate to lose any of them.

Pendraflare July 10th, 2014 2:15 PM

I'd surely hope that some additions to the Hoenn Dex are made, because after games with almost 300 and 450 Pokémon to use before post-game, dropping to 200 would be underwhelming. But what i'd want most of all is for the Elite Four to have more variety than they did in the originals. If nothing else i'd hope they would add stone evolutions or such like Roserade and Gallade.

Xander Olivieri July 10th, 2014 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer (Post 8341878)
I'd surely hope that some additions to the Hoenn Dex are made, because after games with almost 300 and 450 Pokémon to use before post-game, dropping to 200 would be underwhelming. But what i'd want most of all is for the Elite Four to have more variety than they did in the originals. If nothing else i'd hope they would add stone evolutions or such like Roserade and Gallade.

Such is the life of a Remake. Its just taking an old trophy and polishing it.

E4 teams are going to remain the same just as they did in the other Remakes. The only changes that will be made will be in Post game. This much is to be expected.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer (Post 8341878)
I'd surely hope that some additions to the Hoenn Dex are made, because after games with almost 300 and 450 Pokémon to use before post-game, dropping to 200 would be underwhelming. But what i'd want most of all is for the Elite Four to have more variety than they did in the originals. If nothing else i'd hope they would add stone evolutions or such like Roserade and Gallade.

It's not that bad of a number 202 with the evolutions it'll be like 210 or so.
I hope they add the stone evolutions too.

Rivvon July 10th, 2014 2:42 PM

The thing with adding to the PokéDex post-game is that there isn't really a whole lot of places for them to be added to. Almost every area can be accessed before the game is over. Unless they expand the Battle Tower (Frontier) to be a full-blown area like in Sinnoh, or they add a whole new mini region like the Sevii Islands, there is no place for gen 4, 5, and 6 Pokémon to be added.

The FRLG post-game had gen 2 and 3 Pokémon in the Sevii Islands. The HGSS "post-game" had gen 3 and 4 Pokémon in Kanto. The only time those Pokémon would appear in Johto would be due to the radio programs--they didn't just change the Pokémon that appeared in Johto once you beat the Champion. So if we're going by those examples, where would the gen 4, 5, and 6 Pokémon go in the Hoenn post-game? The Hoenn post-game was the Battle Tower/Frontier; it didn't have any "new locations" to explore, technically.

Granted, they could easily add an area similar to the Sevii Islands, but then it wouldn't really be considered "Hoenn," but rather a "sub-region" or "mini region," and the scan (supposedly, because I can't make out a great deal of what it says) specifically mentions Hoenn.

It's also unlikely that they removed Pokémon from the Hoenn Dex. Changed exclusives around is a slight maybe, mainly due to Mawile and Sableye being version exclusives, but Mawile getting its Mega in XY. But even then, I wouldn't count on that being what the scan meant.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8341940)
The thing with adding to the PokéDex post-game is that there isn't really a whole lot of places for them to be added to. Almost every area can be accessed before the game is over. Unless they expand the Battle Tower (Frontier) to be a full-blown area like in Sinnoh, or they add a whole new mini region like the Sevii Islands, there is no place for gen 4, 5, and 6 Pokémon to be added.

The FRLG post-game had gen 2 and 3 Pokémon in the Sevii Islands. The HGSS "post-game" had gen 3 and 4 Pokémon in Kanto. The only time those Pokémon would appear in Johto would be due to the radio programs--they didn't just change the Pokémon that appeared in Johto once you beat the Champion. So if we're going by those examples, where would the gen 4, 5, and 6 Pokémon go in the Hoenn post-game? The Hoenn post-game was the Battle Tower/Frontier; it didn't have any "new locations" to explore, technically.

Granted, they could easily add an area similar to the Sevii Islands, but then it wouldn't really be considered "Hoenn," but rather a "sub-region" or "mini region," and the scan (supposedly, because I can't make out a great deal of what it says) specifically mentions Hoenn.

It's also unlikely that they removed Pokémon from the Hoenn Dex. Changed exclusives around is a slight maybe, mainly due to Mawile and Sableye being version exclusives, but Mawile getting its Mega in XY. But even then, I wouldn't count on that being what the scan meant.

There's still islands that are covered up by clouds. They could put them there. Maybe the islands behind the clouds will be big. Or maybe post game Hoenn will be swept by hordes of foreign region Pokemon not seen in Hoenn before.
I do think that it'll be the main story that we'll see them in.

Pepperton July 10th, 2014 4:29 PM

I don't think one should be confident believing in previous trends set by remakes in the past, like HGSS and FRLG. Every game is its own entity; yes, they do have similarities, but that doesn't mean it can't stray from the norm in any way. However, I do think it's improbable that huge changes will be made to the Hoenn Regional Dex, but obviously there will be some, and that could effect which Pokemon NPCs own, including gym leaders and the elite four.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8342138)
I don't think one should be confident believing in previous trends set by remakes in the past, like HGSS and FRLG. Every game is its own entity; yes, they do have similarities, but that doesn't mean it can't stray from the norm in any way. However, I do think it's improbable that huge changes will be made to the Hoenn Regional Dex, but obviously there will be some, and that could effect which Pokemon NPCs own, including gym leaders and the elite four.

I don't think we'll see massive changes to the dex either. Probably some to give it some needed spicing.

Rivvon July 10th, 2014 7:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8341998)
There's still islands that are covered up by clouds. They could put them there. Maybe the islands behind the clouds will be big. Or maybe post game Hoenn will be swept by hordes of foreign region Pokemon not seen in Hoenn before.
I do think that it'll be the main story that we'll see them in.

The islands that are covered by clouds are still accessible during the story, though, with only the Battle Tower/Frontier being the exception. There are lots of clouds on the map but the ones that aren't in the areas where there was an island before could very well be just artistic decoration. Without getting too deep into discussing the map, it just seems that at this point in time we are seeing Hoenn the way it was back in gen 3, so it seems difficult for the "new Pokémon" to be added to the post-game.

Even if Game Freak has to retcon some things (like Mega Evolutions existing for these games), they usually try to have good explanations for most things. It just seems unlikely that an island that is so far away from every other region can suddenly have hordes of new Pokémon just because you defeated the Champion. It would just make a lot more sense if the Pokémon were there from the beginning. "These are the Pokémon native to Hoenn." It's a little bit of a retcon from the originals, but nothing so incredulous that it needs any explaining.

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8342138)
I don't think one should be confident believing in previous trends set by remakes in the past, like HGSS and FRLG. Every game is its own entity; yes, they do have similarities, but that doesn't mean it can't stray from the norm in any way. However, I do think it's improbable that huge changes will be made to the Hoenn Regional Dex, but obviously there will be some, and that could effect which Pokemon NPCs own, including gym leaders and the elite four.

I agree, just because these titles are remakes doesn't mean they will follow the formulas of the previous ones. The previous remakes had newer Pokémon in their post-game, and because Hoenn lacks new areas for the post-game (at this point in time, knowing what we do about the originals) it tells me that it's more likely these "Pokémon that aren't normally in Hoenn" will be seen during the regular story, and won't be a post-game addition. How many that will be is completely up in the air at this point in time; I just think it's unlikely that they'll be restricted to post-game. I mean, if Game Freak is adding all these new Megas, which will certainly be obtainable during the main story, why not include some newer Pokémon? Megas aren't their own new Pokémon per se, but they're new enough to constitute as them, so since they're being included I see no harm in adding some Pokémon from gen 4, 5, and 6 to the Hoenn Dex, either.

It could be a small amount, and that would be fine. If it happens to be a large amount, all that would need to happen is have them be distributed in a fair way and it would be fine, too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 7:20 PM

Unova had Pokemon added two years later after waves of migration at least that what we fans think irc it was never explained. Hoenn could be similar. Also the region isn't the fathest from the others, it's said to be south of Johto just like Sinnoh is north of Kanto. Kalos and Unova are the farthest.
Maybe they could have the dex like the original but have an upgrade mid game after a mass migration event mid-game. Perhaps due to Aqua and Magma's activities.

Pinkie-Dawn July 10th, 2014 7:47 PM

So I've calculated how many non-Hoenn Pokemon are needed to bring the dex up to 250, which happens to be 115 when combined with the 135 Hoenn Pokémon. If you guys want it, I could increase the number to 260 if it were 125 non-Hoenn Pokémon.


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Originally Posted by Khrysta (Post 8341901)
Such is the life of a Remake. Its just taking an old trophy and polishing it.

E4 teams are going to remain the same just as they did in the other Remakes. The only changes that will be made will be in Post game. This much is to be expected.

You just had to remind us of that one thing that's the bane of my existence as a Pokémon fan. Don't you at least care about changing their teams from the result of a new and improved Hoenn dex that isn't post-game material? If their teams remained unchanged, I may go under an emotional state and claim ORAS as being nothing but inferior to XY for failing to fix the biggest problem the original games had: type diversity.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 8:00 PM

Hoenn had type diversity, having one member of all types. It lacked species diversity for each type though :(
I don't think they'll be inferior to XY in my book if it doesn't fix the issue. 260 would mean 58 new pokémon added to the dex. I hope evolutions will be amongst them if GF ends up going for that number or something close to it.

Hikamaru July 11th, 2014 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8342447)
You just had to remind us of that one thing that's the bane of my existence as a Pokémon fan. Don't you at least care about changing their teams from the result of a new and improved Hoenn dex that isn't post-game material? If their teams remained unchanged, I may go under an emotional state and claim ORAS as being nothing but inferior to XY for failing to fix the biggest problem the original games had: type diversity.

Ah yes I know about your type diversity problem, as far as the Hoenn Dex goes there are a huge lacking of of Ghost, Ice and now also Fairy-types and with the former two this is easily reflected in Phoebe and Glacia's teams, who repeat a few evolution lines, with Phoebe having two Dusclops and two Banette alongside the Sableye but they did have different movesets. Glacia on the other hand had two Glalie, two Sealeo and also its evo in the form of her ace, Walrein.

Khrysta's logic is based on past examples of remakes, so while it's likely we'll see the majority of the Dex retained they may add in the 4th Gen evos and pre-evos of the Hoenn Dex Pokemon. Sorta like how Johto did a similar thing, although it only included 5 such Pokemon which were the ones that evolved by learning a certain move.

Now, here's what the Gym Leaders' teams looked like in the originals:
Spoiler:
Roxanne
Geodude Lv14
Nosepass Lv15

Brawly
Machop Lv17
Makuhita Lv18

Wattson
Voltorb Lv20
Magnemite Lv22
Magneton Lv23

Flannery
Slugma Lv26
Slugma Lv26
Torkoal Lv28

Norman
Slaking Lv28
Vigoroth Lv30
Slaking Lv31

Winona
Pelipper Lv30
Swellow Lv31
Skarmory Lv32
Altaria Lv33

Tate & Liza
Lunatone Lv42
Solrock Lv42

Wallace
Luvdisc Lv40
Sealeo Lv40
Seaking Lv42
Whiscash Lv42
Milotic Lv43


And the Elite Four/Champion:
Spoiler:
Sidney
Mightyena Lv46
Cacturne Lv46
Shiftry Lv48
Sharpedo Lv48
Absol Lv49

Phoebe
Dusclops Lv48
Banette Lv49
Banette Lv49
Sableye Lv50
Dusclops Lv51

Glacia
Glalie Lv50
Sealeo Lv50
Sealeo Lv52
Glalie Lv52
Walrein Lv53

Drake
Shelgon Lv52
Flygon Lv53
Flygon Lv53
Altaria Lv54
Salamence Lv55

Steven
Claydol Lv55
Armaldo Lv56
Cradily Lv56
Aggron Lv56
Skarmory Lv57
Metagross Lv58

Evyl July 11th, 2014 2:51 AM

I hope they add some more Pokemon to the remakes. I'd like to see Pokemon from all Generations available!

Salzorrah July 11th, 2014 5:14 AM

You do realize that Ghost, Ice, and Fairy types are the three rarest types in the games, so it's justified if there is a huge lack of these Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 5:39 AM

That's true, but their numbers (for ice and ghost) aren't as low as they used to be anymore so some additions would be nice.
In one of the scans in Pokebeach they show Phoebe alongside Dusknoir. I guess this means the Sinnoh evolutions are being added after all <3

Pinkie-Dawn July 11th, 2014 6:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Leijon (Post 8342952)
You do realize that Ghost, Ice, and Fairy types are the three rarest types in the games, so it's justified if there is a huge lack of these Pokemon.

You would think Game Freak thought of this before they decided to make a Ghost specialist and an Ice specialist as Hoenn's Elite 4 members at the time.


But now I'm glad we're finally getting an expanded Hoenn dex thanks to Phoebe's Dusknoir. I might probably take back what I said about ORAS being inferior to XY.

Pokefan203302 July 11th, 2014 7:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8342979)
That's true, but their numbers (for ice and ghost) aren't as low as they used to be anymore so some additions would be nice.
In one of the scans in Pokebeach they show Phoebe alongside Dusknoir. I guess this means the Sinnoh evolutions are being added after all <3

Yeah, I was going to post it, here's the picture.
http://i.imgur.com/LHK0dX6.jpg

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8343078)
You would think Game Freak thought of this before they decided to make a Ghost specialist and an Ice specialist as Hoenn's Elite 4 members at the time.


But now I'm glad we're finally getting an expanded Hoenn dex thanks to Phoebe's Dusknoir. I might probably take back what I said about ORAS being inferior to XY.

It's funny when one considers Agatha was the first ghost specialist yet GF only made one ghost type line...rendering her more of a poison type trainer than a ghost type trainer.
They messed up the E4 teams of the generation after III too (DP), though they fixed things up with Pt by adding Pokemon of their type.
Goodness...I hope that the teams for these games are like their Emerald teams as they were the most diverse in terms of species for each type, at least Wattson's, Liza & Tate, and Drake's teams were.
I wonder if perhaps Liza and Tate will have Gardevoir and Gallade each...but their the aces of Wally & Diantha and Lucian respectively...

Yato July 11th, 2014 9:14 AM

Tate & Liza are best known for their Solrock and Lunatone, and given how all the other revealed Leaders are keeping their strongest Pokemon from RS thus far, I'd imagine they'd keep Solrock/Lunatone as well. I can see them getting Gardevoir and Gallade for a rematch battle, though the two wouldn't be their strongest.

It's nice that GF's pretty much confirmed that Gen. IV evos. are making an appearance. I'm also happy for Phoebe; even if no other Ghosts appear in the Dex, she'll likely have a little bit more variety by having a Dusknoir. (I can see her still having one Dusclops.)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8343335)
Tate & Liza are best known for their Solrock and Lunatone, and given how all the other revealed Leaders are keeping their strongest Pokemon from RS thus far, I'd imagine they'd keep Solrock/Lunatone as well. I can see them getting Gardevoir and Gallade for a rematch battle, though the two wouldn't be their strongest.

It's nice that GF's pretty much confirmed that Gen. IV evos. are making an appearance. I'm also happy for Phoebe; even if no other Ghosts appear in the Dex, she'll likely have a little bit more variety by having a Dusknoir. (I can see her still having one Dusclops.)

They can still have them, but not as their aces of course. Just as normal Pokémon. In Emerald they were given more psychic types while in RS they only had Solrock and Lunatone.

Treecko July 11th, 2014 11:19 AM

The Pokedex is literally a GBA. I'm so happy.


And as for the Pokedex update, I can see them adding some of the Fairy types like Flabebe's line and Dedenne (Sylveon is obvious since it's an Eeveelution) , hopefully Gastrodon and Shellos, some more Ghost types like Dusknoir for Phoebe and maybe Mismagius or Rotom. (Rotom-W would go with her tropical/Hawaiian look given it's part Water).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 11:37 AM

Wash Rotom loses the Ghost type it had as a normal Rotom so that'll be kind of a curveball to have a Pokémon that's not currently a ghost type.

I'm starting to wonder if perhaps GF won't add any more Pokémon that aren't evolutions to Hoenn dex Pokémon. They didn't give us any sort of clue as to the scope of the additions. With B2W2 irc they said A LOT of 'new' Pokémon would be added to the Unova dex. Could range anywhere between a handful (the evolutions onlu) to a lot (100-150).

seeker July 11th, 2014 11:51 AM

It's highly likely that the Hoenn dex will be expanded to include Pokémon not native to it. We'll most likely see a dex a lot like the one in X&Y, which I'm happy about. It would be nice to see the original 202, plus extras from the other generations to bump up variety. There's a lot of places in Hoenn that suit newer Pokémon too, especially desert Pokémon such as Sandile and Scrafty.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 12:05 PM

Kalos? I'll rather it be like PT Sinnoh dex size. I disliked how Kalos handled it's dex in the long run. Kalos had 450 or so Pokémon...that'll mean an addition of 248 to match that thing...and I'll hate to see them outnumber the Gen III pokémon like that in the remake of their introduction region. Hoenn don't need 200 more Pokémon in it.s dex to fix type issues. A good 60 or so would do the trick.

Altairis July 11th, 2014 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8343613)
Kalos? I'll rather it be like PT Sinnoh dex size. I disliked how Kalos handled it's dex in the long run. Kalos had 450 or so Pokémon...that'll mean an addition of 248 to match that thing...and I'll hate to see them outnumber the Gen III pokémon like that in the remake of their introduction region. Hoenn don't need 200 more Pokémon in it.s dex to fix type issues. A good 60 or so would do the trick.

Why? As I said in my previous posts, a Kalos sized Pokedex would benefit the games as we would be able to catch all non-special (starter, legend, event) Pokemon in the same generation instead of taking two steps forward one step back a generation. The only reason that the Hoenn dex in the originals was smaller was because there were less Pokemon, I don't believe it was to keep some kind of Hoenn-exclusivity. And at the time, an entire region of Pokemon was obtainable in the same gen (FRLG had Kanto Pokemon) so there were really just Johto Pokemon. Wasn't it annoying to not be able to catch all the Pokemon? I realize that this is slightly different because they were literally unobtainable since there weren't other games, but it's a similar case.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 11th, 2014 4:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 8343984)
Why? As I said in my previous posts, a Kalos sized Pokedex would benefit the games as we would be able to catch all non-special (starter, legend, event) Pokemon in the same generation instead of taking two steps forward one step back a generation. The only reason that the Hoenn dex in the originals was smaller was because there were less Pokemon, I don't believe it was to keep some kind of Hoenn-exclusivity. And at the time, an entire region of Pokemon was obtainable in the same gen (FRLG had Kanto Pokemon) so there were really just Johto Pokemon. Wasn't it annoying to not be able to catch all the Pokemon? I realize that this is slightly different because they were literally unobtainable since there weren't other games, but it's a similar case.

Even with all the Pokemon unattainable in XY I don't think it'll reach the huge number of Pokemon in the Kalos dex. I'll be fine with them adding the one's not in XY.

Salzorrah July 11th, 2014 11:38 PM

A GBA PokeDex.

Yup, I stand by my statement that its 20% more awesomeness.

Although not as advanced as the Kalos was, It seems fitting since we are backtracking through the timeline. And how it looks so cool! I wished they made a limited edition GBA stylised as the new Hoenn PokeDex :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 12th, 2014 12:13 AM

The RSE dex is said to be based off the GBA Sp's design but the original GBA wasn't used...until now. I like it, but it doesn't give me as much nostalgia as I had an SP and not the original.

Salzorrah July 13th, 2014 12:02 AM

The original Hoenn Dex doesn't look like the GBA SP tbh. I feel like the HGSS Dex looks more of a GBA SP + DS haha. Now that I think about it, the original Hoenn Dex looks more advanced than the New Hoenn Dex xD;

Also, I noticed they adapted the Hoenn Dex style to the new Pokedex haha :)

Aeroblast July 13th, 2014 12:14 AM

If it's anything like the HGSS Johto Pokedex, there will be Gen IV evolutions like Gallade added. I don't expect to see big changes.

Altairis July 13th, 2014 3:21 AM

I thought the Kalos dex's size was really fun because there were so many good team options to pick from! But I guess it might just be a little bit overkill for two games in the same generation to have almost every Pokemon, haha.

I don't use the PokeDex that often, so I don't really care what it looks like, honestly

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2014 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Leijon (Post 8346418)
The original Hoenn Dex doesn't look like the GBA SP tbh. I feel like the HGSS Dex looks more of a GBA SP + DS haha. Now that I think about it, the original Hoenn Dex looks more advanced than the New Hoenn Dex xD;

Also, I noticed they adapted the Hoenn Dex style to the new Pokedex haha :)

Of course it does, the GBA Sp was more advanced looking than the original GBA so the dexes based on them reflect that xD. (Maybe if they make ΔE it'll go back to an Sp as it was what most that lived by me played Emerald with at the time...)

I think it'll be slight additions now. Does anyone recall how they referred to the additions in HGSS' Johto dex?

Zeturic July 13th, 2014 10:02 AM

To be honest, I'm not expecting too much of an addition. Most likely, they'll be rather conservative about adding new Pokemon.

I'm expecting all of the cross-generational evolutions, such as Gallade and Froslass.

They might also open up some of the post-game areas during the main game, and add the Pokemon available there in Emerald to the Hoenn Dex. For example, the Desert Underpass for Ditto, or the Safari Zone's addition for Pokemon like Mareep and Houndour.

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Originally Posted by Aeroblast (Post 8346430)
If it's anything like the HGSS Johto Pokedex, there will be Gen IV evolutions like Gallade added. I don't expect to see big changes.

Actually, if it was like HGSS's Pokedex, then the Hoenn Pokedex wouldn't get changed at all. HGSS's updated Pokedex only included evolutions that didn't involve items - the reason being, of course, that they could place the items in Kanto (post-game) and thus you wouldn't normally be able to evolve them.

The ones it kept are all level-up w/ a certain move. Because there'd be no way to prevent you from accessing it through normal gameplay until you got to Kanto - they just learn the moves naturally. So they were added to the Johto Dex. This is why we have Mamoswine and Ambipom, but not Gliscor or Porygon-Z.

Hoenn, however, has no Pokemon like that. Every single Pokemon in Hoenn that has a cross-generational evolution or pre-evolution is based on items. So, nothing would be added.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2014 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagiri (Post 8347164)
To be honest, I'm not expecting too much of an addition. Most likely, they'll be rather conservative about adding new Pokemon.

I'm expecting all of the cross-generational evolutions, such as Gallade and Froslass.

They might also open up some of the post-game areas during the main game, and add the Pokemon available there in Emerald to the Hoenn Dex. For example, the Desert Underpass for Ditto, or the Safari Zone's addition for Pokemon like Mareep and Houndour.



Actually, if it was like HGSS's Pokedex, then the Hoenn Pokedex wouldn't get changed at all. HGSS's updated Pokedex only included evolutions that didn't involve items - the reason being, of course, that they could place the items in Kanto (post-game) and thus you wouldn't normally be able to evolve them.

The ones it kept are all level-up w/ a certain move. Because there'd be no way to prevent you from accessing it through normal gameplay until you got to Kanto - they just learn the moves naturally. So they were added to the Johto Dex. This is why we have Mamoswine and Ambipom, but not Gliscor or Porygon-Z.

Hoenn, however, has no Pokemon like that. Every single Pokemon in Hoenn that has a cross-generational evolution or pre-evolution based on items. So, nothing would be added.

I think so too for both the evolutions and the safari zone. Mareep and Houndoom also got Megas so maybe they could have it's Mega stones during the story or post game.
Then they can add gen IV, V, and VI Pokemon to the post game safari extension from Emerald.

Polygon-Z July 13th, 2014 11:08 AM

We already know that the Hoenn dex will be expanded in some form, as Phoebe of the Elite 4 uses a Dusknoir according to the recent Corocoro scans.
In my opinion, I think the new Pokedex will only be expanded to include new Pokemon that are evolutions or pre evolutions of pokemon in the Hoenn dex. I think this list could safely include Magnezone, Probopass (The power plant would be the perfect place for them to evolve), Froslass, Gallade, and a few others. I don't think all of the Sinnoh evolutions will be included, but at least a few of them will.
An interesting thing to note is the Safari zone. Previously, it contained only pokemon foreign to Hoenn, specifically, Kanto and Johto pokemon. In emerald, there was an expansion that included some Johto pokemon not in the regional dex, including Mareep and Shuckle. It could be that the new dex is expanded to include not only the Sinnoh evolutions, but it could also include these Johto pokemon.
Expanding upon this further is the idea of the whole Safari zone being expanded, and including Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos pokemon. This seems pretty unlikely, since this would likely take the original Hoenn dex and warp it beyond recognition (this is a remake, after all.), plus the other two safari zones in FR/LG and HG/SS didn't include any new Pokemon pre-credits.
I would think that only a few Sinnoh evolutions will make the cut, but that's just my opinion. It could be anything, really.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Polygon-Z (Post 8347277)
We already know that the Hoenn dex will be expanded in some form, as Phoebe of the Elite 4 uses a Dusknoir according to the recent Corocoro scans.
In my opinion, I think the new Pokedex will only be expanded to include new Pokemon that are evolutions or pre evolutions of pokemon in the Hoenn dex. I think this list could safely include Magnezone, Probopass (The power plant would be the perfect place for them to evolve), Froslass, Gallade, and a few others. I don't think all of the Sinnoh evolutions will be included, but at least a few of them will.
An interesting thing to note is the Safari zone. Previously, it contained only pokemon foreign to Hoenn, specifically, Kanto and Johto pokemon. In emerald, there was an expansion that included some Johto pokemon not in the regional dex, including Mareep and Shuckle. It could be that the new dex is expanded to include not only the Sinnoh evolutions, but it could also include these Johto pokemon.
Expanding upon this further is the idea of the whole Safari zone being expanded, and including Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos pokemon. This seems pretty unlikely, since this would likely take the original Hoenn dex and warp it beyond recognition (this is a remake, after all.), plus the other two safari zones in FR/LG and HG/SS didn't include any new Pokemon pre-credits.
I would think that only a few Sinnoh evolutions will make the cut, but that's just my opinion. It could be anything, really.

The safari zone expansion in Emerald was post game, so any expansion for ORAS' SZ can be post game as well, thus not changing the dex too radically.
I think all of them could make it, with Magnezone and Probopass evolving around New Mauville. They can have all the stone and trade evolutuion items. If the item evolutions and the Johto SZ Pokemon from the post game Emerald SZ expansion are included it'll include Gliscor too.

Aeroblast July 13th, 2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagiri (Post 8347164)
Actually, if it was like HGSS's Pokedex, then the Hoenn Pokedex wouldn't get changed at all. HGSS's updated Pokedex only included evolutions that didn't involve items - the reason being, of course, that they could place the items in Kanto (post-game) and thus you wouldn't normally be able to evolve them.

The ones it kept are all level-up w/ a certain move. Because there'd be no way to prevent you from accessing it through normal gameplay until you got to Kanto - they just learn the moves naturally. So they were added to the Johto Dex. This is why we have Mamoswine and Ambipom, but not Gliscor or Porygon-Z.

Hoenn, however, has no Pokemon like that. Every single Pokemon in Hoenn that has a cross-generational evolution or pre-evolution is based on items. So, nothing would be added.

I see your point.

It's a fine margin, though, and the rule could be more lenient to open up for evolutions using other methods.

Salzorrah July 13th, 2014 4:00 PM

Seeing as Phoebe's Dusknoir appears in game, I see no doubt that we see the likes of Roserade, Gallade, Froslass, and others, in game too since they are cross-generational.

Yato July 13th, 2014 4:08 PM

It would be odd for GF to only include Dusknoir and not any of the other Gen. IV evos., so I can definitely see them appear! Dunno about Budew; like I stated earlier it could be made available early on in Petalburg Woods or something, but at the same time, Roselia can be found near Mauville, which isn't to far in-game. Plus, babies aren't exactly the easiest Pokemon to raise since a majority aren't that strong, even in earlier parts of the games.

Still hoping that GF adds even a few more Pokemon with types that don't appear much in Hoenn, namely Ice and Ghost. If there were one more Ghost type, Phoebe would be able to have a diverse team. (Given, she could use Shedinja in place of one of her Banettes, but newer players might not be able to counter it, so it probably wouldn't be included.) Likewise, if there were one-two more Ice types, Glacia could have a diverse team. (I'm assuming Froslass will be added and will replace one of her Glalie.)

Xebelleon July 13th, 2014 4:34 PM

I can really see Glacia and Wallace as getting some quality movepool change.
Azumarill is now Water/Fairy

Pepperton July 13th, 2014 5:00 PM

I really don't see a valid reason as to why they wouldn't add Budew as well as Roserade. That wouldn't make sense, and look incomplete in the dex. Also would give them an opportunity to put it earlier in the game, like the routes near Petalburg or in the Woods. Phoebe having a Dusknoir is a pretty solid indication that they're going to be adding evolutions from later generations into the dex. Other than that, there won't be much altered.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2014 6:01 PM

I agree with Pepperton, it wouldn't make sense to leave out the pre evolutions. Hoenn introduced the first incenses so they'll likely add the rest to make it possible to breed if they don't add them early (I would like to see them in the wild though).

Altairis July 14th, 2014 12:38 AM

Well the only reason they weren't int the games before was because they didn't exist, so of course there's no reason to edit them out now. In the past couple of games they seem to be adding more popular Pokemon instead of keeping them away under lock and key, so I think we'll see stuff like Eevee and Dragon-types before the game ends.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 14th, 2014 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 8348339)
Well the only reason they weren't int the games before was because they didn't exist, so of course there's no reason to edit them out now. In the past couple of games they seem to be adding more popular Pokemon instead of keeping them away under lock and key, so I think we'll see stuff like Eevee and Dragon-types before the game ends.

Strangely they have kept some popular ones under lock before, such as Pikachu's line not even being added to B2W2's dex. Gen V was strange for keeping the mascot out... Eevee being out of Gen III is sort of like that. Interestingly they're the starters for Yellow (Pikachu being the players and Eevee Blue/Green's).

Yato July 14th, 2014 9:23 AM

Hoenn already has quite a few Dragon types as is (Kingdra, Flygon, Bagon line, Altaria, the Latis, Rayquaza), so I'd rather not see anymore added x_x Eevee's a possibility; part of me wants to say "YES PUT IT IN THERE PLEASE" because I love it and its Eeveelutions (plus, Glacia could have a Glacia (Glaceon) :D), but at the same time, I sort of hope it isn't. Though, even if it isn't available, one could just easily transfer it over from Pokebank/via trading unless the games prevent them from doing such. (I doubt that'd be the case, though.)

Pinkie-Dawn July 14th, 2014 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8348948)
Hoenn already has quite a few Dragon types as is (Kingdra, Flygon, Bagon line, Altaria, the Latis, Rayquaza), so I'd rather not see anymore added x_x Eevee's a possibility; part of me wants to say "YES PUT IT IN THERE PLEASE" because I love it and its Eeveelutions (plus, Glacia could have a Glacia (Glaceon) :D), but at the same time, I sort of hope it isn't. Though, even if it isn't available, one could just easily transfer it over from Pokebank/via trading unless the games prevent them from doing such. (I doubt that'd be the case, though.)

Actually, Hoenn could use a few more Dragon type into the mix if we want to replace Drake's two Bagons to make sure no gym leader nor Elite Four uses 1-2 Pokémon from the same family line.

Yato July 14th, 2014 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8349726)
Actually, Hoenn could use a few more Dragon type into the mix if we want to replace Drake's two Bagons to make sure no gym leader nor Elite Four uses 1-2 Pokémon from the same family line.

He had Shelgon, Kingdra, Altaria, Flygon, and Salamence in Emerald; don't see why he can't use that same team in ORAS :3

EDIT: While it's true Shelgon/Salamence is from the same line, I think him having five fully evolved Dragons might be too much @[email protected] (Plus, none of the other E4/Champion Dragon specialists had more than four fully evolved Dragons on their team.)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 14th, 2014 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8349726)
Actually, Hoenn could use a few more Dragon type into the mix if we want to replace Drake's two Bagons to make sure no gym leader nor Elite Four uses 1-2 Pokémon from the same family line.

You mean to say 2-3 right? As the 1 in 1-2 implies they should have 3 or more from the same family line 0_o
What about alternate evolutions such as Froslass and Glalie?
Glacia was the biggest victim having 3 from the Spheal family. But now that she may get Froslass it won't be as bad.
Actually Phoebe may be in worse condition now unless they add more ghost types...hopefully not Shedinja...

Pinkie-Dawn July 14th, 2014 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8349731)
He had Shelgon, Kingdra, Altaria, Flygon, and Salamence in Emerald; don't see why he can't use that same team in ORAS :3

EDIT: While it's true Shelgon/Salamence is from the same line, I think him having five fully evolved Dragons might be too much @[email protected] (Plus, none of the other E4/Champion Dragon specialists had more than four fully evolved Dragons on their team.)

How is having five fully evolved Dragons too much? As long as you have an Ice type or Fairy type in your team, the only main issue with a Dragon specialist's team is using 2-3 Dragon types from the same line, which is lazy.


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What about alternate evolutions such as Froslass and Glalie?

Split evolutions are in a strange limbo. They're both from the family, yet they have different stat spreads/typings to make them unique.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 14th, 2014 6:53 PM

Unfornutely even if they add more mons of their type I don't think GF will change their teams much.
It's also possible it'll only be the Sinnoh evolutions.
As long as they give Phoebe another ghost (that isn't Shedinja which is already in the Hoenn dex anyways) I'll be fine if they don't add anymore.

Altairis July 15th, 2014 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8348948)
Hoenn already has quite a few Dragon types as is (Kingdra, Flygon, Bagon line, Altaria, the Latis, Rayquaza), so I'd rather not see anymore added x_x Eevee's a possibility; part of me wants to say "YES PUT IT IN THERE PLEASE" because I love it and its Eeveelutions (plus, Glacia could have a Glacia (Glaceon) :D), but at the same time, I sort of hope it isn't. Though, even if it isn't available, one could just easily transfer it over from Pokebank/via trading unless the games prevent them from doing such. (I doubt that'd be the case, though.)

Honestly, I wasn't sure which ones had already been included and I was just thinking of "cool popular Pokemon" and Dragon-type came to mind since they were my personal favorite xD

ThePokeRaf July 15th, 2014 1:37 AM

I think that the PokeDex is perfect. It's a gameboy advance and it has a new slick design alongside a new in game design which makes it distinctive compared to the others.

Salzorrah July 15th, 2014 2:09 AM

We need basically more rare types in the game like Ghost, Ice, and Fairy. Maybe the Ghastly line, Eevee line, Flabebe line, and the Snover line could appear in Hoenn in the main game?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2014 7:02 AM

Flabebe with tropical flowers?
Maybe they'll add in Shellos as it was meant to be a Hoenn Pokémon.

Pepperton July 15th, 2014 6:32 PM

The design is cute, but after thinking about it wouldn't be surprised if they threw Eevee into the mix here. Was such a missed presence, would make a lot of sense. If that does happen, I might use Glaceon, because May did in the anime 8)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 15th, 2014 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8352070)
The design is cute, but after thinking about it wouldn't be surprised if they threw Eevee into the mix here. Was such a missed presence, would make a lot of sense. If that does happen, I might use Glaceon, because May did in the anime 8)

It certainly would. But I get the feeling it'll end up like the Pichu line in B2W2's Unova dex :(

Hikamaru July 16th, 2014 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8351000)
Flabebe with tropical flowers?
Maybe they'll add in Shellos as it was meant to be a Hoenn Pokémon.

Ah yes that time where Shellos and Gastrodon were in the beta version, only for them to be cut and then reappear with a slightly different design in Diamond & Pearl. Flabebe is an interesting choice there because X/Y introduced grass with flowers in it (and the Flabebe form encountered differed with the color of the flowers in the grass) but then again I don't know which parts of Hoenn would suit the flowery grass patches.

On the other hand, if the 4th Gen evos and pre-evos are included, which they are likely to be following the reveal of Phoebe having a Dusknoir, I could see this to be the likely new Hoenn Dex:

Spoiler:
#001 Treecko
#002 Grovyle
#003 Sceptile
#004 Torchic
#005 Combusken
#006 Blaziken
#007 Mudkip
#008 Marshtomp
#009 Swampert
#010 Poochyena
#011 Mightyena
#012 Zigzagoon
#013 Linoone
#014 Wurmple
#015 Silcoon
#016 Beautifly
#017 Cascoon
#018 Dustox
#019 Lotad
#020 Lombre
#021 Ludicolo
#022 Seedot
#023 Nuzleaf
#024 Shiftry
#025 Taillow
#026 Swellow
#027 Wingull
#028 Pelipper
#029 Ralts
#030 Kirlia
#031 Gardevoir
#032 Gallade
#033 Surskit
#034 Masquerain
#035 Shroomish
#036 Breloom
#037 Slakoth
#038 Vigoroth
#039 Slaking
#040 Abra
#041 Kadabra
#042 Alakazam
#043 Nincada
#044 Ninjask
#045 Shedinja
#046 Whismur
#047 Loudred
#048 Exploud
#049 Makuhita
#050 Hariyama
#051 Goldeen
#052 Seaking
#053 Magikarp
#054 Gyarados
#055 Azurill
#056 Marill
#057 Azumarill
#058 Geodude
#059 Graveler
#060 Golem
#061 Nosepass
#062 Probopass
#063 Skitty
#064 Delcatty
#065 Zubat
#066 Golbat
#067 Crobat
#068 Tentacool
#069 Tentacruel
#070 Sableye
#071 Mawile
#072 Aron
#073 Lairon
#074 Aggron
#075 Machop
#076 Machoke
#077 Machamp
#078 Meditite
#079 Medicham
#080 Electrike
#081 Manectric
#082 Plusle
#083 Minun
#084 Magnemite
#085 Magneton
#086 Magnezone
#087 Voltorb
#088 Electrode
#089 Volbeat
#090 Illumise
#091 Oddish
#092 Gloom
#093 Vileplume
#094 Bellossom
#095 Doduo
#096 Dodrio
#097 Budew
#098 Roselia
#099 Roserade
#100 Gulpin
#101 Swalot
#102 Carvanha
#103 Sharpedo
#104 Wailmer
#105 Wailord
#106 Numel
#107 Camerupt
#108 Slugma
#109 Magcargo
#110 Torkoal
#111 Grimer
#112 Muk
#113 Koffing
#114 Weezing
#115 Spoink
#116 Grumpig
#117 Sandshrew
#118 Sandslash
#119 Spinda
#120 Skarmory
#121 Trapinch
#122 Vibrava
#123 Flygon
#124 Cacnea
#125 Cacturne
#126 Swablu
#127 Altaria
#128 Zangoose
#129 Seviper
#130 Lunatone
#131 Solrock
#132 Barboach
#133 Whiscash
#134 Corphish
#135 Crawdaunt
#136 Baltoy
#137 Claydol
#138 Lileep
#139 Cradily
#140 Anorith
#141 Armaldo
#142 Igglybuff
#143 Jigglypuff
#144 Wigglytuff
#145 Feebas
#146 Milotic
#147 Castform
#148 Staryu
#149 Starmie
#150 Kecleon
#151 Shuppet
#152 Banette
#153 Duskull
#154 Dusclops
#155 Dusknoir
#156 Tropius
#157 Chingling
#158 Chimecho
#159 Absol
#160 Vulpix
#161 Ninetales
#162 Pichu
#163 Pikachu
#164 Raichu
#165 Psyduck
#166 Golduck
#167 Wynaut
#168 Wobbuffet
#169 Natu
#170 Xatu
#171 Girafarig
#172 Phanpy
#173 Donphan
#174 Pinsir
#175 Heracross
#176 Rhyhorn
#177 Rhydon
#178 Rhyperior
#179 Snorunt
#180 Glalie
#181 Froslass
#182 Spheal
#183 Sealeo
#184 Walrein
#185 Clamperl
#186 Huntail
#187 Gorebyss
#188 Relicanth
#189 Corsola
#190 Chinchou
#191 Lanturn
#192 Luvdisc
#193 Horsea
#194 Seadra
#195 Kingdra
#196 Bagon
#197 Shelgon
#198 Salamence
#199 Beldum
#200 Metang
#201 Metagross
#202 Regirock
#203 Regice
#204 Registeel
#205 Latias
#206 Latios
#207 Kyogre
#208 Groudon
#209 Rayquaza
#210 Jirachi
#211 Deoxys


So yeah, 211 Pokemon all up there if this is anything to go by.

MarinoKadame July 16th, 2014 1:09 AM

I'm sure it will be more than 211, they will add some more fairy pokemons to it, since theres only Ralts, Azurill and Igglybuff line with Mawile on it. I could see Flabébé and maybe Cottonee being added.

Salzorrah July 16th, 2014 5:44 AM

I don't see Cottonee to be honest, really, most probs coz it got Grass/Fairy and not Bellossom, but maybe they could throw it in the mix. As far as Flabebe with tropical flowers, I guess it could happen. Maybe we could get AZ's Floette in the mix? wink wink ;)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 16th, 2014 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 8352521)
I'm sure it will be more than 211, they will add some more fairy pokemons to it, since theres only Ralts, Azurill and Igglybuff line with Mawile on it. I could see Flabébé and maybe Cottonee being added.

The original Hoenn dex kept ghost low (even leaving out two existing lines out of the dex which would've helped Phoebe) so perhaps they'll leave out fairies too. Besides it's not like there's a Fairy expert in Hoenn.

Salzorrah July 16th, 2014 8:33 PM

True, but I'm pretty sure they will add more Fairies, coz it's a new type, unlike Ghost.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 16th, 2014 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leijon (Post 8353907)
True, but I'm pretty sure they will add more Fairies, coz it's a new type, unlike Ghost.

They didn't add dark types to the FrLG even though it lacked them completely. Actually they didn't even edit that one xD. Still I don't think that simply because it's a new type they should add more. If they really wanted more Fairies for Hoenn they would've turned Skitty into one, it should've been part Fairy at least >_<.

Salzorrah July 18th, 2014 5:04 AM

True. Maybe they could release a new wave of Fairy retcons? Release a patch for XY for it? I doubt that's gonna happen tho haha.

Altairis July 18th, 2014 6:22 AM

Why wouldn't they have changed the Pokemon's types to Fairy beforehand? It only creates more work for the company and it's not as if the Fairy-type really has anything special to do with Hoenn anyway, so adding new Fairies wouldn't mean anything.

I also don't see why 4th-gen evolutions wouldn't be added, either, and why Phoebe having a Dusknoir is something they need to announce instead of it being.. implied. I mean, she's an Elite Four member, she's supposed to have the strongest, meaning the final evolution.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 18th, 2014 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 8356290)
Why wouldn't they have changed the Pokemon's types to Fairy beforehand? It only creates more work for the company and it's not as if the Fairy-type really has anything special to do with Hoenn anyway, so adding new Fairies wouldn't mean anything.

I also don't see why 4th-gen evolutions wouldn't be added, either, and why Phoebe having a Dusknoir is something they need to announce instead of it being.. implied. I mean, she's an Elite Four member, she's supposed to have the strongest, meaning the final evolution.

They showed all their aces so it was less of them announcing it and simply showing them next to their trainer.


Maybe they'll give Delcatty a mega that's part Fairy if they really want us to get more Fairies.

Salzorrah July 18th, 2014 10:47 PM

Or a Mega Bellossom that's part-Fairy. /shot

But yeah, there are a lot of Pokemon that seems to be eligible for a Fairy Mega.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 19th, 2014 6:35 AM

Maybe the Hoenn dex will coincidentally go up by 20 Percent for a total of 242~ pokémon.

Pepperton July 19th, 2014 4:40 PM

If they wanted to change their types to Fairy, I think they would've for X and Y - there's no logical reason as to why they would wait until another game to give them the new typing. Only way existing Pokemon could get the type now is if they receive a new Mega evolution that transforms it into a Fairy type. d:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 19th, 2014 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepperton (Post 8358860)
If they wanted to change their types to Fairy, I think they would've for X and Y - there's no logical reason as to why they would wait until another game to give them the new typing. Only way existing Pokemon could get the type now is if they receive a new Mega evolution that transforms it into a Fairy type. d:

Especially since they already made several Hoenn dex Pokemon Fairies in XY. Yeah, we have to wait for Megas with a Fairy add on ^_^.

Something I've been thinking of is what if GF added the Gen I-II Pokemon to these games. According to Bulbapedia they have Hoenn dex (RSE dex) numbers but that were never used in the games. However I think those numbers may have been a reference to how GSC's 'New Dex' worked.

Rettan July 22nd, 2014 1:04 PM

I think its most-likely to go with the way it did in HGSS, which had the original 251 pokemon, however expanded to include new evolutions, I'm sure this will be the case with ORAS.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 22nd, 2014 2:38 PM

You know if they do have the 300~ Pokémon from generation I-III like I brought up earlier it'll be quite large, almost to the size of the unified Kalos dex. I doubt they include all those, but it would probably satisfy those calling for more. Plus the original Hoenn dex had 2/3 of those...

MarinoKadame July 22nd, 2014 3:25 PM

We will mostly get pokemons that were not in Kalos dex or were in the friend safari.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 22nd, 2014 4:25 PM

You mean those ONLY Found in the Friend Safari right? I think they'll very available at some point the games, not sure if they'll add them all though.

MarinoKadame July 22nd, 2014 4:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8363715)
You mean those ONLY Found in the Friend Safari right? I think they'll very available at some point the games, not sure if they'll add them all though.

Yeah ONLY, friend safari pokemons. It was sad that they didn't counted for VGC.


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