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Salzorrah July 10th, 2014 3:53 AM

The new and improved Hoenn Dex! Now with 20% more awesomeness :33
 
We know that we had a fair share of 202 Pokemon in the local Hoenn Dex. That itself is pretty large considering it is 202/386 total Pokemon. Do you think that we will get more additions to the Hoenn Dex? Will some get removed? What do you think will the total number of Pokemon will be available in the game?

Discuss!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 4:48 AM

The title miss led me into thinking an addition to the Hoenn dex was confirmed xD.
I doubt any will be removed. I hope that just the Gen 4 pre-evos and evos to Hoenn dex Pokòmon are added and I'll be happy with it. I wouldn't mind it staying the same like Kanto's dex did either.

Ultan July 10th, 2014 4:52 AM

In X and Y you can transfer pokemon that aren't in the Costal/Mountain/The other one Kalos pokedex at the start of the game before you get the national dex, so IMO it doesn't matter how much there will be.

But I do think pokemon such as Gallade/Froslass will be in it as that would make sense. Any new pokemon getting a Mega that was not originally in the R/S Pokedex should be added (not sure about Diance though). And personally I hope pokemon that were not available/catch-able/obtainable without pokebank (other than legendaries) for X/Y are catchable in OR/AS such as Misdreavus. I could also see some pokes like Cherubi get added because of their moves/ability realating to weather...

Katunei999 July 10th, 2014 4:55 AM

I think it will be pretty much the same as last time, seeing as it's a re-make. I think they'll make Mawile and Sableye version exclusive again, because they both have a mega evolution. But I doubt they will introduce new Pokémon, or take any of the Hoenn region specific Pokémon out. Though after the League, maybe more Pokémon will pop up? Speaking of which, the Safari Zone will probably have a different range of Pokémon, and the Pokédex might accommodate newer Pokémon. Like, maybe now you can find Woobat in Rusturf Tunnel, or Hawlucha in Route 119.

Pokefan203302 July 10th, 2014 5:05 AM

In the Official art for super secret bases, it was shown that there is a Litwick and Lapras doll. This seems to hint that more than just Hoenn pokemon will appear.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 6:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokefan203302 (Post 8340866)
In the Official art for super secret bases, it was shown that there is a Litwick and Lapras doll. This seems to hint that more than just Hoenn pokemon will appear.

It's promotional art, they usually tend to have Pokemon that aren't even native to the dex of the game. Also note that the Kanto starters also have dolls, and I don't think they'll be part of a fourth regional Pokedex any time soon (if anyone wants to know what the three are they're Kanto, Johto, and Central Kalos).

Pinkie-Dawn July 10th, 2014 6:36 AM

I believe 250 is the best suited number for an expanded Hoenn dex, because there are 135 Hoenn Pokémon, and you don't want the number of non-Hoenn mons to outnumber it. Just look at the Unova dex in B2/W2, which had a total of 300 Pokémon. There are 155 Unova mons, and the dex has 145 non-Unova mons, so it doesn't outnumber the Unova mons. That because ORAS is a remake of an odd-numbered gen, so the new mons are suppose to outnumber the old mons, whereas with even-numbered gens, it's the exact opposite.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 6:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 8340997)
I believe 250 is the best suited number for an expanded Hoenn dex, because there are 135 Hoenn Pokémon, and you don't want the number of non-Hoenn mons to outnumber it. Just look at the Unova dex in B2/W2, which had a total of 300 Pokémon. There are 155 Unova mons, and the dex has 145 non-Unova mons, so it doesn't outnumber the Unova mons. That because ORAS is a remake of an odd-numbered gen, so the new mons are suppose to outnumber the old mons, whereas with even-numbered gens, it's the exact opposite.

That's true, I wouldn't like it if the Gen III pokemon were outnumbered by Gen I, II, IV, V, and even VI pokemon combined. Maybe the addition mentioned is only the Sinnoh evolutions...

blue July 10th, 2014 7:14 AM

According to CoroCoro there are different Pokemon in Hoenn than before, hopefully this means in addition to the original 202!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure (Post 8341074)
According to CoroCoro there are different Pokemon in Hoenn than before, hopefully this means in addition to the original 202!

I'm hoping they'll limit it to the Sinnoh evolutionary relatives and perhaps add in a few ice and ghost types such as Lapras and the Litwick lines so that they will hopefully give them to Glacia and Phoebe.

blue July 10th, 2014 8:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8341104)
I'm hoping they'll limit it to the Sinnoh evolutionary relatives and perhaps add in a few ice and ghost types such as Lapras and the Litwick lines so that they will hopefully give them to Glacia and Phoebe.

Same. I hope to see a small amount from each region perhaps, obviously not over doing it but a similar figure to the Dex in B2/W2 would be nice.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 8:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure (Post 8341208)
Same. I hope to see a small amount from each region perhaps, obviously not over doing it but a similar figure to the Dex in B2/W2 would be nice.

I hope not that much. 98 more Pokemon seems like a lot and would cause them to outnumber the Gen III Pokemon in the dex. Pinkie's number of 250 seems good, I wouldn't mind something the size of Pt's dex.

Perriechu July 10th, 2014 8:33 AM

They'll definitely add the 4th evolutions like Froslass, Dusknoir etc. Then they'll probably add more Pokemon to make Glacia and Phoebe's teams more interesting. And hopefully some more Steel Pokemon to make Steven's team more to his type than Fossil's, lmao. Something like Skarmory, Klinklang, Aggron, Magnezone, Steelix, and Metagross. His pitiful excuse of a "Steel" team in RSE was awful lol.

I would like the dex to be a lot bigger, though, it seemed that a lot of the routes in RSE had a lot of the same Pokemon. I'd even like to see it expanded to be as big as X & Y's was tbh.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Perrie ✿ (Post 8341225)
They'll definitely add the 4th evolutions like Froslass, Dusknoir etc. Then they'll probably add more Pokemon to make Glacia and Phoebe's teams more interesting. And hopefully some more Steel Pokemon to make Steven's team more to his type than Fossil's, lmao. Something like Skarmory, Klinklang, Aggron, Magnezone, Steelix, and Metagross. His pitiful excuse of a "Steel" team in RSE was awful lol.

I would like the dex to be a lot bigger, though, it seemed that a lot of the routes in RSE had a lot of the same Pokemon. I'd even like to see it expanded to be as big as X & Y's was tbh.

XY was diverse in the Pokemon we found in a route, just like they (GF) said they'll be. I just don't want it to be Kalos' size, that's just too much. Hoenn isn't as big as Kalos (it' the third biggest region, with Sinnoh being second, and Kalos first I think). But then again in the tropics one is likely to find as much more diversity in one spoonful of soil than in the whole Tundra.

blue July 10th, 2014 9:23 AM

I think it would be wise to add a small number of Kalos Pokémon, with these games being tied in with Gen VI I think it would be a good way to connect with X & Y.

Yato July 10th, 2014 9:23 AM

I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos. If GF decides to add any unrelated Pokemon, I'd like to see more Ice types, particularly the Swinub line (Mamoswine is a fantastic Ice type and would be so useful for Glacia to have), Lapras (also useful), and the Jynx line (Jynx may get a Mega Evo., so having her in the game could make sense).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 9:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341312)
I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos. If GF decides to add any unrelated Pokemon, I'd like to see more Ice types, particularly the Swinub line (Mamoswine is a fantastic Ice type and would be so useful for Glacia to have), Lapras (also useful), and the Jynx line (Jynx may get a Mega Evo., so having her in the game could make sense).

Not native? Well they are native, they simply weren't introduce in Gen III like Absol and friends.

In addition to the Gen IV evolutions I want some Ice types, Ghost types, Fairy types, Water types (for Aqua and underwater), Ground and Fire types (for Magma and to be added in the desert and Mt. Chimney area), and 1-3 dragon lines to be added.

Abby July 10th, 2014 9:43 AM

Im all for the fairies and gen fours to be added.

Rivvon July 10th, 2014 11:29 AM

I'd be fine if we got a large amount of new Pokémon in the Hoenn Dex this time around. As long as the Hoenn Pokémon are made more common, they won't particularly be "overshadowed" (unlike XY, where there were hardly any Kalos Pokémon, and they were, for the most part, rare to find). I'm especially hoping for (a fair amount of) the Pokémon that can (currently) only be obtained through Pokémon Bank to be added to ORAS (this includes the gen 2 starters, and the Frillish line, which I really want to see in these games, personally).

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 8341509)
I'd be fine if we got a large amount of new Pokémon in the Hoenn Dex this time around. As long as the Hoenn Pokémon are made more common, they won't particularly be "overshadowed" (unlike XY, where there were hardly any Kalos Pokémon, and they were, for the most part, rare to find). I'm especially hoping for (a fair amount of) the Pokémon that can (currently) only be obtained through Pokémon Bank to be added to ORAS (this includes the gen 2 starters, and the Frillish line, which I really want to see in these games, personally).

Misdevius and Frillish lines are ghost which would also help Phoebe get a more diverse team, so I hope so.

Yato July 10th, 2014 11:54 AM

I'd also like to see Pokemon Bank-exclusive ones added in. I'm all for the Ghosts being included to help with Phoebe's team so she isn't stuck with two Dusclops (though, she might have a Dusknoir if Gen. IV evos. are included) and two Banettes. Yamask and Cofagrigus are also not available in Kalos, so it's a possibility that they could be added as well.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341565)
I'd also like to see Pokemon Bank-exclusive ones would also be nice to see added in. I'm all for the Ghosts being included to help with Phoebe's team so she isn't stuck with two Dusclops (though, she might have a Dusknoir if Gen. IV evos. are included) and two Banettes. Yamask and Cofagrigus are also not available in Kalos, so it's a possibility that they could be added as well.

A lot of ghost types...it'll be great though if they were added.

Sabrewulf238 July 10th, 2014 12:35 PM

The thing is, whatever they do with the region pokedex it'll be a step down from X/Y. (Which I think had something like 450 pokemon in the Kalos pokedex) Unless they intend to more than double the amount of pokemon catchable in Hoenn?

I'm guessing (after hearing about corocoro) that we'll get a smattering of mainly 4th and 5th gen pokemon. Maybe a couple 6th gen ones too. Of course Eevee and the Eeveelutions will probably be added.

I hope they add all of the non Hoenn pokemon that had to be migrated/bred rather than caught in X/Y. (Meowth, Misdreavus, Darumaka, Yamask etc)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 10th, 2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 8341662)
The thing is, whatever they do with the region pokedex it'll be a step down from X/Y. (Which I think had something like 450 pokemon in the Kalos pokedex) Unless they intend to more than double the amount of pokemon catchable in Hoenn?

I'm guessing (after hearing about corocoro) that we'll get a smattering of mainly 4th and 5th gen pokemon. Maybe a couple 6th gen ones too. Of course Eevee and the Eeveelutions will probably be added.

I hope they add all of the non Hoenn pokemon that had to be migrated/bred rather than caught in X/Y. (Meowth, Misdreavus, Darumaka, Yamask etc)

I hope so too, then all Pokemon will be obtainable in Gen VI (minus a few legends). Well the legends could be added post game to catch like the Creation Trio, and the Beast trio, as well as the Johto Bird Duo, oh and Mew. The other legends can be in 'Z'.

Xander Olivieri July 10th, 2014 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Yato (Post 8341312)
I definitely cannot see any Pokemon being removed from the Hoenn Dex, even those that aren't native to Hoenn (e.g., Pika line, Zubat line, etc.). I can, however, see the Gen. IV pre-evos. and evos. being added on, as HGSS included plenty of the Gen. IV evos.

HG/SS didn't add that many. Mamoswine, Lickilicky, Tangrowth, and Yanmega are the only four that come immediately to mind, and only because they evolved by Moves that the Pokemon learned naturally. Togekiss, wasn't available until Post-game when you got a Shiny Stone, Misdrevous couldn't evolve until post game either. All of the Johto Pokemon that got add ons later weren't available to evolve until the Post-Game. Even Electrivire and Magmortor weren't available until then.


As for the CoroCoro leak, it only says "Different Pokemon in Hoenn than before." That does not mean that they just added. They could have removed some other Pokemon and replaced them, or did an exclusive shuffle. This reference may not even be true until Post-game. Like how Johto had non-native Pokemon roaming its lands in the post-game. It says nothing about pokedex updates, only that there could be more Pokemon that weren't in Hoenn before, which if you trade with Sinnoh, Unova or Kalos, this is a true fact.


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