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What effects might these games have on the series' timeline?
This is something that occurred to me while I was reading some of Marriland's tweets off his personal account (@ProfWaffles). Considering that they're full-on remakes and not sequels, what might go about expanding the Hoenn Dex?
For that matter, if they are remakes, they could contradict a lot of things. Not sure how many of you remember this, but in Black 2 and White 2, an ex-Team Magma and Team Aqua grunt can be found in a house in Icirrus City that's only accessible in the winter, talking about the events of the Hoenn games and that they realize they would have been catastrophic. What if Hoenn took place after those games did? Could this all be a twist in the timeline? What do you think these games might do to the timeline if they're nothing more than remakes? Discuss. |
They're remakes, so I think they will stay in their current timeline place. I think the only thing they are contradicting is what Professor Sycamore says about Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos.
Though he also considers the possibility that the reason for Mega Evolution being seen only in Kalos may be the region's legendary Pokémon, which are capable of giving and taking life. Perhaps in Hoenn Mega Evolution will be linked to the Cave of Origin and Mt. Pyre, which are supposedly the places where all life begins and ends, respectively. By the way, those two places may also be important for Primal Reversion, which is supposed to be related to Mega Evolution, since one holds the Orbs that becalmed and later awakened Groudon and Kyogre, and the other is where we encounter those Pokémon in their original versions. Maybe Hoenn wil have access to Mega Evolution thanks to Primal Reversion. |
Nothing. They can just simply retcon the things that were previously mentioned, and add it in the games. They did that with the Dark/Steel types in Gen 3.
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This game will take place around the same time as XY . Despite what anyone says these aren't full straight up remakes many things are added so it's obviously going to be retcon as taking place near the same time as XY
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Game Freak can retcon a lot of gameplay-related things into these games, such as Mega Evolutions, but to completely change its place in the timeline doesn't seem like something they would do. If anything, they'll probably add some hints as to where it is precisely in the timeline (for instance, is it happening at the same time as RGBY/FRLG, or does it happen slightly after its events?). It seems unlikely that they would retcon story elements that goes against what NPCs talk about in other games (like the ex-Magma and Aqua Grunts in Unova, as Stargazer mentions).
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Every game retcons new material into the games. Every one. It is totally normal for this to happen.
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And these despite retcons the time line remain the same.
Not sure why people want remakes to take place at the same time as the orignal pair of the new generation. |
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The official site mentions that ORAS will dive deeper into the secrets of Mega Evolution. Hopefully 'Z' will retcon the XY story to add what we unearth in the remakes taking place years before. |
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I think the timeline is stupid. Who really cares if they mess up the timeline? The game is meant for fun. Clearly gf doesn't care, as long as they are making money. Besides, from what I've heard people say about the timeline, X and Y are not on them...
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The time line's main purpose imo is to keep the lore of the over arching games consistent. Other than that it probably has little meaning feature wise. |
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And I agree. The timeline isn't all that important to Gamefreak. Honestly I think what drove Gamefreak to remake Ruby and Sapphire were requests. Development could have started at the moment when Junichi Masuda replied RSremake on twitter about the possibility years ago (pic below). Spoiler:
Take a look at recent stuff before ORAS were announced. The "future plans" picture? Look at all of the comments. More demand = more money. Why not. However, I don't think the timeline is stupid. It actually provides some sort of flow, continuity. |
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Oh, wait! Are you referring to Pokemon Origins? If you are, then it's not really a contradiction. No one saw the fight between Mewtwo and Charizard so it could still be true that no one had seen Megaevolution outside of Kalos. We know legends of it had existed thanks to Gurkinn. Plus I'm not sure if the Origins is meant to be canon or not? |
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In XY they said it was recently uncovered, but considering the appearance of the Tower of Mastery it looks old. So it's more like it was rediscovered recently. Speaking about recently Y's entry for Rayquaza irc says that it wasn't seen until recently. So perhaps it was rediscovered at the same time as in Kalos. The only thing they're contradicting is that it's Kalos only, but 'Z' will likely fix that up for the Kalos games too. |
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And now that you say that, it makes a lot of sense to me that this seems to be the only thing out of place: if Professor Sycamore had said that Mega Evolution is seen in Hoenn as well as Kalos, it would have been as good as confirming new Hoenn games just as XY came out. Now that Mega Evolution is going to be in these remakes' stories, it could be established in them that Mega Evolution is actually seen in many regions. After that, if they release a third version like Pokémon Z, that game could retcon Professor Sycamore's research to say that Mega Evolution has been witnessed in regions other than Kalos. |
Aside from GF having to retcon Sycamore saying that Mega Evolution has only been seen in Kalos, OR/AS should have be fine. They'll obviously replace R/S place in the timeline that much is guaranteed. But, it's a good thing that the events of R/S have been rather self-contained. The only event that refers to R/S that extends to another game is Steven going to Kanto and Sinnoh two years later, even then Steven didn't really do anything important. OR/AS can't possibly screw up the timeline unless they did something really drastic.
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Other than that there's no issues. The evil plot was only mentioned in B2W2 actually... no one else mentioned it. Kind of funny how XY according to that GF worker takes place the same time as B2W2, it shows how a general idea of how far away in time the events of Kalos are from Hoenn's. |
The mess with the timeline was why I didn't want these games to be remade. :P I mean, it was so convenient to have, or believe, that RSE took place at the same time as FRLG... This is really the first time a remake requires retconning of the Pokémon timeline, because that wasn't the case with HGSS. It was generally agreed that HGSS took place after FRLG and concomitant with DPPt, not least because of the clues in both 4th gen game sets.
With the 3rd gen remakes, I believe the timeline would be retconned to make ORAS happen at the same time as XYZ. The number one issue I have with it, though, is that there are the ex-grunts in B2W2 and the fact XYZ MUST happen after B2W2, because back in B2W2 Mega Evolution hadn't been discovered yet (or else Colress' research would be moot). So, in a way, they Zeldified the Pokémon timeline. Either that, or they don't give a ♥♥♥♥. |
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RSE is confirmed to be at the same time as RGBY too. There's no need to retcon where in the timeline they take place. Them not taking place in the same year is the result of GF moving beyond the original games years (RGBY and their sequels (GSC) years) with Gen V and continuing the Gen V reboot in terms of moving on with the timeline. ORAS represent our going back to Gen I(and III of course) time (for the first time since Emerald) and back to the Japan regions (after six games). |
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