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Olli July 13th, 2014 3:53 PM

Challenge 5: Pokemanz
 
First set:

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We'll have to discuss both the similarities as well as who's posting our results. I reckon we also have to think about doing these fast, since that's one of our only bets actually winning these. I don't reckon it's too hard to get these wrong, so we'd have to be lucky to rely on taking our time to figure out the similarities with certainty.

In with your thoughts!

TwilightBlade July 13th, 2014 4:04 PM

Volcarona and Nincada share that they cannot learn Attract.

Nincada, Magnemite, and Shaymin share that they are short than 0.5 meter.

When in Sky Forme, Shaymin then and the other three are dual typed.

All four were unique in something:
Volcarona's Bug/Fire typing;
Nincada evolving into two Pokemon at once;
Magnemite being the first Steel-type in the Pokedex and the first to change typing until Rotom in Gen V;
Shaymin being the first and only pure Grass-type legendary;

Nakuzami July 13th, 2014 4:13 PM

I've been staring at all their Bulbapedia pages for a while, and those things that Lilith pointed out were the only things that really stood out.

I looked at all of their moves, their stats and game data (like catch rates and experience growth), as well as their side game data and . . . I didn't see any similarities between all four of them there.

The only other thing I could think of is that they all have the potential to fly? I don't know, I'm basically taking shots in the dark at this point.

Olli July 13th, 2014 4:19 PM

They all have a dual typing, though Shaymin only has that in its Sky Forme, and since the sprite used is of its normal form, I doubt that's it.

They're also all damaged normally by Dark and Ghost types, but that could apply to so many others too, so I don't think that's it :p

Salzorrah July 13th, 2014 4:35 PM

I've also been staring at the Bulbapedia pages too and none of seems to fit other than the Dark Ghost thing Olli said D:

TwilightBlade July 13th, 2014 4:39 PM

Magnemite is unique in being the #1 GTS traded Pokemon in Gen 5. Also it is unique in being the most resistant Pokemon to date. Additionally, Magnemite and its evolutions are the only dual-type Electric that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line.


Volcarona is the Sun Pokemon-> Nincada does not like the sun -> Magnemite does not like Ground type -> ?

Logical Cabbage July 13th, 2014 5:13 PM

I checked it all out on the internet and compared stats... I guess what was stated above makes sense...

Maybe they all can't be beaten by grass?

I'm looking more up to this, but so far nothing hard hitting from me.

Nakuzami July 13th, 2014 7:27 PM

The only other thing I can think of right now is that, considered in order, each of those pokémon has a type advantage against the next, but only of Shaymin Sky Forme is considered.

and slightly unrelated, but according to the most recent confessional, I guess Team 1 is planning on spending their points to eliminate Christos. I just think . . . actually, it makes me think they're idiots, quite frankly. If they want to try and rattle us with that simply because they've had to deal with it twice . . . they don't know how to play this game well, it seems.

TwilightBlade July 13th, 2014 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nakuzami (Post 8348063)
The only other thing I can think of right now is that, considered in order, each of those pokémon has a type advantage against the next, but only of Shaymin Sky Forme is considered.

[8:51:41 PM] Blade: can we ask to clarify if the evolutions/families are included. larvesta, magnezone, sky forme
[8:55:42 PM] Dave / Antemortem: they aren't

Shaymin or cough Sonic... hates robotic things like Magnemite, right! :)

Y2A_Alkis July 13th, 2014 9:17 PM

The only thing that I see is, that they all appeared in side games at some point. But I think this isn't special enough to be "it".

Christos July 14th, 2014 1:55 AM

Can't really help much with this since I'll only be on from my phone, but maybe it's something anime/manga/movie related?

If team 1 tries to poison any of us they risk being eliminated in case we're saved from the poison from the next challenge or by purchasing an Invincibility token. I suggest not using any elimination tokens for now.

Wobbu July 14th, 2014 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christos (Post 8348421)
maybe it's something anime/manga/movie related?

For the anime, I've researched debuts, movie appearances, English voice actors, and the writers/storyboard artists/other production crew who worked on the episodes, among a few other things, and I couldn't find anything shared by all four Pokémon. The only things left for the anime that I haven't researched are Japanese voice actors and other international voice actors. There are obvious things such as all four have appeared as Pokémon not belonging to Ash or other main characters, but I doubt that is what Antemortem is looking for.

I also researched some TCG, and I still haven't found anything in common. The only things left that I haven't checked is artwork animators.

I haven't researched anything about the manga.

Were all of those four Pokémon designed by the same person?

Olli July 14th, 2014 7:50 AM

I thought the designer idea was good, but despite looking all over, I haven't been able to actually find out who designed those 4 specific ones. There was a usermade page on Bulbapedia that contained Pokemon listed by their designers, though none of them appeared. It'd also have to be one of the original designers that have stayed on the team all the way till gen 5, which I believe there were only 4 of.

Also they all have an odd number of letters in their names, with Magnemite and Volcarona having 9 and Shaymin and Nincada having 7

Y2A_Alkis July 14th, 2014 9:22 AM

Random thought: All pokemon have 4 things that could be classified as legs/limbs?
Volcarona: 4 legs, not counting the wings
Nincada: 4 legs
Magnemite: 4 ends of the two magnets OR 2 magnets + two front screws
Shaymin: 4 legs

Unfortunately, only 3 have had a held item of some sorts in the past - the only one who didn't is Nincada.

Other thought: All 4 are affected differently by ground moves, despite having some sort of means to fly/levitate? (Nincada's little wings on the back which are not fully evolved yet; and Shaymin's Sky Forme when it gets a Gracidea)

Logical Cabbage July 14th, 2014 9:42 AM

That makes sense too... This is so hard that I'm pulling my hair out trying to think of a solid common thing.

Olli July 14th, 2014 6:03 PM

Since there isn't much time left, I reckon we should just have a vote for which of our current guesses seems the most likely. If we have a big majority on one of our guesses, we'll just go with that one straight away, but otherwise, I reckon we should just post it within the last hour. Unless someone has another idea of course.

Wobbu July 14th, 2014 6:54 PM

Is this really that hard or are we overlooking the obvious?

I thought that all Pokémon weren't available in Kalos, but Nincada can be found there, so... I'm out of ideas at this point. Have we checked all of the Pokédex data? Or has anyone researched manga appearances? Maybe what we're looking for is simpler than all of that...

They are all Pokémon
They all have an odd amount of letters in their English names
They were all never caught by Ash
uhh... that's all I got haha

Ho-Oh July 14th, 2014 7:17 PM

Are they all antemortem's fav Pokemon?

Olli July 14th, 2014 7:46 PM

At this point the fact that they're damaged normally by Dark and Ghost is what seems the most likely to me, but I just don't feel like that would be right.

Christos July 14th, 2014 9:23 PM

Since there's 30 minutes left someone should just post a guess as late as possible, I don't think team 1 has something so I don't think we risk anyone getting poisoned.

Austin July 14th, 2014 9:25 PM

I've been looking around and I'm not finding many things that they have in common, besides what's already been mentioned. I'll keep looking. This challenge is difficult, though.

Wobbu July 14th, 2014 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilith (Post 8347785)
Volcarona and Nincada share that they cannot learn Attract.

I think that was what all four of them had in common. I was thrown off by you not mentioning Shaymin and Magnemite :P

Though it's too late now

Edit: second set
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All are Gen. 1 Pokémon
All can evolve
All have 70 base friendship
All can be found in both Kanto and Johto
All have a hatch time of 5355 - 5609 steps
All of them held a Berry when traded to Gen II from Red/Blue (albeit Porygon held a Bitter Berry)

Kadabra and Porygon have both sparked controversy
Venonat and Gloom are both Poison

Nakuzami July 14th, 2014 10:22 PM

it was the Attract thing. damn, didn't even notice.

well, we lost the first set. but we have a second to try and win.

Set 2


All first generation pokémon? I'll give more guesses once I look into them.

Wobbu July 14th, 2014 10:30 PM

Well, with Porygon and Kadabra being included, that eliminates almost all possibilities from the anime and TCG (and maybe manga, idk)

Christos July 14th, 2014 10:42 PM

I think the fact they're all gen 1 is the major similarity and we should go for it.


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