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Counter that Pokemon! (READ THE FREAKING FIRST POST)
I thought that I'd bring back Jin's thread.
The idea is simple: Someone posts a set, and the next person posts a set that counters the previous posts' Pokemon. And it continues that way. IMPORTANT: A counter, for those of you who don't know, is basically a Pokemon that can safely switch into the opposing Pokemon and take it out by itself. A check is basically a Pokemon that can defeat the Pokemon in question, but cannot safely switch into it. We're going for counters here, so make sure that your set counters the previous post and doesn't check it. You can read an in-depth explanation of checks and counters here. And a few rules: 1) Pokemon in the Uber tier are not allowed to be used in this thread. List of Pokemon in the Uber Tier 2) Do not use Pokemon, moves, or abilities that have not been legitimately released yet 3) Since the idea here is to counter Pokemon one-on-one, Stealth Rocks and other entry hazards will not factor into this. Explosion/Self-Destruct is a no-go as well. 4) Completely luck based things, such as confusion damage or a 10% to burn, should not be used as an argument that your set counters the previous one. 5) Don't slash moves on a set. You can't alter a Pokemon's moveset in the middle of a battle, and it makes countering things a bitch. How is anyone supposed to counter something when you have a ton of coverage slashed in? You also cannot write less than 4 moves. And a damage calculator if you need it: http://pokemonshowdown.com/damagecalc/ Please make sure that your set actually counters the previous one. So I'll start the thread with this: http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon/445.png -Garchomp w/Focus Sash Nature: Jolly Ability: Rough Skin EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Sp.Defense Moves: Dragon Claw, Swords Dance, Earthquake, Stone Edge Someone counter that ♥♥♥♥. |
Mamoswine
ability: thick fat item: focus sash nature:adamant Evs: 252 atk, 252 speed, 4 hp moves: ice shard, avalanche, earthquake, stone edge Uses avalance first and survives only to finish it with ice shard. counter this. |
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Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet Ability: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe Impish Nature - Toxic - Roost - Brave Bird - Protect Since this is 1v1 I shall use his punk ass set. Garchomp Earthquake vs. Skarmory: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time 252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 38-45 (11.3 - 13.4%) -- possible 8HKO 252 Atk Garchomp Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 63-75 (18.8 - 22.4%) -- possible 5HKO 0 Atk Skarmory Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 112-133 (31.2 - 37.1%) -- 81.9% chance to 3HKO Skarmory can easily stall chomp out gg |
Magcargo @ Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA Bold Nature - Lava Plume - Stealth Rock - Ancient Power - Yawn you should be ashamed of yourself |
Greninja
ability: protean item: life orb nature: Naive Evs: 252 sp.attk, 252 speed, 4 atk moves: scald, U-turn, Dark pulse, Ice beam scald ko's with one shot. |
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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD Modest Nature - Calm Mind - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Soft-Boiled Omg laughing irl rn |
Lucario (Lucarionite)
Steadfast --> Adaptability EV's: 252 Atk 252 Speed Adamant Nature Close Combat Bullet Punch Swords Dance Crunch lol Close Combat 431% |
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Sawk (M) @ Choice Band Ability: Mold Breaker EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Close Combat - Stone Edge - Earthquake - Knock Off trolololol |
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Clefable @ Life Orb Ability: Magic Guard EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA Bold Nature - Moonblast - Flamethrower - Calm Mind - Soft-Boiled 252 Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 125-147 (31.7 - 37.3%) -- 88.4% chance to 3HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sawk Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252 Atk Choice Band Sawk Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 4 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Sawk: 322-382 (110.6 - 131.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO |
Azumarill
item: choice band/assault vest ability: huge power nature: adamant Evs: 252 attk, 252 hp, 4 spdef moves: playrough, aqua jet, superpower, return Easily two hit ko with two play roughs/returns |
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Venusaur @ Venusaurite Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Giga Drain - Sludge Bomb - Leech Seed - Synthesis 252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 112-132 (30.7 - 36.2%) -- 58.8% chance to 3HKO 252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Azumarill: 372-438 (92 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO |
Ferrothorn
ability: iron barbs nature: Brave Item: rockyhelmet/leftovers Evs: 252 hp, 180 attk, 71 def, 4spdef moves: gyro ball, toxic, protect/curse , spikes/leech seed/vine whip three moves are useless and ferrothorn is slower dealing more damage with gyro ball. |
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Heatran @ Leftovers Ability: Flame Body EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD Calm Nature - Fire Blast - Will-O-Wisp - Protect - Earth Power Walled |
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-Hippowdon w/Leftovers Nature: Careful Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack Moves: Earthquake, Slack Off, Ice Fang, Whirlwind 4 SpA Heatran Lava Plume vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 96-114 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery and burn damage 4 Atk burned Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 228-270 (59 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery And Heatran lacks serious recovery, so Hippo wins. |
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Whoops, sorry I'm not too familiar with Smogon's tier lists heheh. Countering hippowdon though- Tangrowth with rocky helmet Nature: impish Ability: Chlorophyll EV's: 252 Def, 252 Atk 4 Sp Def Moves: Power Whip, Sleep Powder, Rock Slide, Knock Off |
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Anyway: Escavalier: http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/589.gif -Megahorn -Iron Head -Drill Run -Knock Off Nature: Adamant EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef Item: Assault Vest Ability: Overcoat Escavalier doesn't fear Sleep Powder thanks to Overcoat; it also takes a pittance from Tangrowth's moves and strikes back with a super effective Megahorn. |
Arcanine
ability: flash fire/intimidate nature: adamant item: choice band Evs: 252 atk, 252 speed, 4 hp moves: flare blitz, close combat, extreme speed, wild charge easily ko's the Escavalier with a choice banded flare blitz being four times weak to fire. |
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Countering arcanine- Bisharp Ability: Defiant Nature: Adamant Item: Focus Sash EVs: 252 HP 252 Atk 4 Speed Moves: Protect, Metal burst, Sucker Punch, Night Slash Gain +1 attack immediately from intimidate. Protect once, scout arcanine's choice locked move. Close combat or flare blitz means a ohko from metal burst next turn, Wild Charge means it can take out Arcanine with sucker punch, Extreme speed won't really bother bisharp and let him KO with night slash. |
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252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 112-132 (27.7 - 32.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 112-132 (32.8 - 38.7%) -- 98.8% chance to 3HKO Bisharp is NOT a counter to Arcanine in any way. It's weak to Close Combat and Flare Blitz, and it won't like switching in to any of those. Here's a definition of a counter: Quote:
Creative sets are fine, but only as long as the moves listed are viable enough to deal with opposing threats. Your set isn't that viable because Metal Burst can be predicted and set up on. Knock Off > Night Slash for the item-removing utility. Anyway, countering Arcanine: Swampert: http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/260.gif -Waterfall -Earthquake -Ice Punch -Superpower Nature: Adamant EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Spe Item: Choice Band Ability: Torrent Swampert avoids the 2HKO from Close Combat and retaliates with Waterfall or Earthquake. |
Rotom Wash
ability: levitate item: leftovers nature: bold Evs: 252 sp.attk, 252 def, 4 speed moves: thunder bolt, will-o-wisp, hydro pump, protect burning it will lower attack stat and can stall with protect. |
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That being said, and my mistake being explained, Bisharp is a check to that SPECIFIC arcanine listed above (not a counter, I know); because it cannot setup, and since it has a choice band- if left against that bisharp, being locked into any one of its moves would end in bisharp KO'ing it. But again, I misunderstood the goal and specific rules of this, so once more, sorry man. :p my bad. I think I got it now. COUNTER- to wash Rotom. Vileplume Ability: Effect Spore (doesn't matter here, I know.) Item: Big Root Nature:Modest EV's: 252 Sp Atk, 152 Sp Def, 100 HP Moves: Giga Drain, Moonlight, sleep powder, sludge bomb Vileplume can switch in on either of Rotom wash's stabs - regain very fair amounts of HP with giga drain, while dealing substantial damage to Rotom, and it can handle stall tactics with will o wisp and protect with moonlight. |
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252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tangrowth: 146-174 (36.1 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Anyway: Big Root isn't worth it; Black Sludge provides steady recovery for Poison Pokemon. Mega Aggron: http://pldh.net/media/pokemon/gen5/blackwhite_animated_front/306.gif -Stealth Rock -Heavy Slam -Ice Punch -Rock Slide Nature: Relaxed EVs: 252 HP/16 Def/240 SDef Item: Aggronite Ability: Sturdy Walls all of Vileplume's offensive moves. |
Aegislash
ability: stance change Item: rocky helmet nature:brave Evs: 252 attk, 252 def, 4 spdef moves: Shadow sneak, sacred sword, king shield, swords dance king shield lowers attk and can easily set up swords dance after to ko especially with rocky helmet breaking sturdy when hit directly. |
Lol this guy. Moonlight is fine recovery. The vileplume counters the Rotom wash, doesn't it? :p that's all I'm concerned about. ^^ And while I appreciate the thought behind giving advice on what works best on what sets, I don't even play singles normally. I'm just here to have a bit of fun in the game~ So without further ado;
Countering Aegislash (Ooo...) Gliscor Ability: Toxic Heal Item:Toxic Orb Nature: Impish EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Def Moves:Swords Dance, Earthquake, U turn Substitute It won't really mind switching into an unboosted Shadow sneak or sacred sword (all the SS attacks) and doesn't fear rocky helmet or kings shield - it can set up a sub or swords dance to outlast and KO aegislash; who lacks recovery. |
Gardevoir
item: gardevoirite ability: pixilate nature: modest Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef moves: hyper voice, shadow ball, calm mind, psyshock. can easily ko with hyper voice and passes through substitude so no stalling her nagging. |
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