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Polar Spectrum July 14th, 2014 9:51 AM

"No stalling her nagging' fukkn lol

Steelix
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Careful
Item: assault vest
EVs: 252 Atk 152 Sp Def 100 HP
Moves: Iron Tail / Gyro Ball, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Fire Fang

It resists both stabs, won't take much from an unboosted shadow ball, or any of those really with assault vest, and Gardevoir won't survive a heavy slam or iron tail or two flat out.

DarkIllumination July 14th, 2014 10:46 AM

Blastoise
Ability:rain dish/mega launcher
item: Blastoisite
nature: modest
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 def, 4 hp
moves: Water pulse, dragon pulse, dark pulse, aura sphere

Steelix moves aren't enough to damage this tank of destruction as it erodes the fodder with
Its almighty cannons with strength to puncture steel like marshmallow.

Nah July 14th, 2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkIllumination (Post 8349084)
Blastoise
Ability:rain dish/mega launcher
item: Blastoisite
nature: modest
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 def, 4 hp
moves: Water pulse/surf/scald, dragon pulse, dark pulse, aura sphere

Steelix moves aren't enough to damage this tank of destruction as it erodes the fodder with
Its almighty cannons with strength to puncture steel like marshmallow.

Please don't slash moves in a set. Just pick 4 moves for each set you post.

Anyway:
http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon/195.png
-Quagsire w/Leftovers
Nature: Careful
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
Moves: Earthquake, Scald, Recover, Toxic

Yes, yes, I know people usually run Unaware. It just needs Water Absorb in this case.

All of Mega Blastoise's moves are a 3HKO at best, and Quag can just stall it out with Toxic+Recover.


Also, I've updated the OP with a list of the Pokemon in Ubers, as well as a damage calculator, and one additional rule.

Polar Spectrum July 14th, 2014 12:37 PM

Trevenant
Ability: Harvest
Nature: Adamant
Item: Sitrus Berry
EV's: 252 Atk 200 HP 52 Def
Moves: Sunny Day, Horn Leech, Phantom Force, Rock Slide

Trevenant can come in nicely on any attack or a toxic from quagsire, and annihilate with horn leech. Any attempts to stall, which I'm fairly certain quagsire couldn't even attempt anyways, would be met by the ungodly healing of harvesting a sitrus Berry and regaining massive HP from each horn leech. (If it even survived 1)

DarkIllumination July 14th, 2014 12:57 PM

Charizard
ability: solar power/ Drought
Item: Charizardite
nature: mild
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef
moves: flamethrower, solar beam, air slash, dragon pulse

One hit and Trevenant becomes fire wood from flamethrower plus it can't stall anyway and it's to slow to rockslide the charizard Y.

Nah July 14th, 2014 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkIllumination (Post 8349378)
Charizard
ability: solar power/ Drought
Item: Charizardite
nature: mild
Evs: 252 spattk, 252 speed, 4 spdef
moves: flamethrower, solar beam, air slash, dragon pulse

One hit and Trevenant becomes fire wood from flamethrower plus it can't stall anyway and it's to slow to rockslide the charizard Y.

Unforunately, Mega Zard Y isn't quite a counter to Polar Spectrum's Trevenant because it doesn't want to switch into a Rock Slide:
252 Atk Trevenant Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 360-424 (120.8 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anyway, to counter Mega Zard Y:

http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon/485.png
-Heatran w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Sp.Defense, 8 Defense
Moves: Lava Plume, Earth Power, Will-o-Wisp, Protect

Since your Mega Zard Y lacks Focus Blast, Heatran takes almost nothing from its attacks, and can KO it with repeated Lava Plumes, since it also lacks Roost.

Ruby170 July 14th, 2014 1:49 PM

Blaziken
Item:Kings rock
Docile nature
Stats:266 HP,234 ATK,147 DEF,197 Sp. ATK,165 Sp. DEF.
Moves:Blaze kick,Cut,Sky uppercut,Earthquake.
Ability:Flame Body

Btw,this is my actual Blaziken from my Ruby game.

DarkIllumination July 14th, 2014 1:54 PM

I read your rules and remebered that it's switching in.

here:
Gyrados
Item:lumberry
ability: Intimidate
nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 attk, 252 speed, 4 def
moves: waterfall, dragon dance, earthquake, outrage

Gyrados resists lava plume, earth power can't touch it, and the lum berry prevents a burn and earthquake is a one hit ko or two with waterfall.

KorpiklaaniVodka July 15th, 2014 1:23 PM

Trevenant @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Harvest
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe
Impish Nature

- Will-o-Wisp
- Horn Leech
- Shadow Claw
- Protect

Waterfall and Earthquake can't 2HKO this thing even at +1, who can in return spam Will-o-Wisp to get rid of its Lum Berry. If Gyarados uses Outrage, the Sitrus Berry can allow it to rejuvenate its health, and then Harvest combined with Protect kicks in allowing it to recover its health multiple times.

Dark Azelf July 15th, 2014 2:42 PM

Talonflame @ Leftovers
248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Sp.D
Trait: Gale Wings
Careful Nature
- Roost
- Bulk Up
- Taunt
- Brave Bird

Comes in and is able to stat up with relative ease and/or wins with Brave Bird.

Nah July 15th, 2014 3:47 PM

http://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/anim/normal/rhyperior.gif
-Rhyperior w/Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Attack, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Rock Slide, Earthquake, Megahorn, Ice Punch

DarkIllumination July 16th, 2014 8:50 PM

Dusclops
Ability: pressure
Item: leftovers
nature: Relaxed
Evs:252 hp, 252 def, 4 spdef
moves: will-o-wisp, protect, painsplit, toxic

Dusclops tanks all Rhyperior's moves and can recover with painsplit and leftovers
until toxic or will-o-wisp bring it down.

KorpiklaaniVodka July 17th, 2014 11:59 AM

Landorus @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

- Earth Power
- Knock Off
- Psychic
- Hidden Power Ice

Landorus can Knock Off Dusclops's Eviolite and then OHKO physically defensive variants with Earth Power, and it doesn't really mind burn or poison.

Nah July 18th, 2014 7:15 AM

http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon/460-m.png
-Mega Abomasnow w/Abomasite
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Attack
Moves: Blizzard, Ice Shard, Giga Drain, Earthquake

Psychic is Lando's best bet, but it only 3HKOs:
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Abomasnow: 147-173 (38.2 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Then it gets destroyed by Hail boosted Blizzard.

Boilurn August 1st, 2014 7:32 PM

Air Balloon Heatran shuts down Mega-Abomasnow with its 4x resistance to Grass and Ice and pseudo-immunity to Ground.

~ Flamethrower
~ Earth Power
~ Taunt
~ Stealth Rock
Item: Air Balloon
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 252 Spe

Megan August 7th, 2014 5:42 AM

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Ability: Water Absorb
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Wish
- Protect
- Roar

Takes everything Heatran throws at him and 2HKOs back with Scald

Nah August 7th, 2014 12:26 PM

http://www.serebii.net/xy/pokemon/423.png

-Gastrodon w/Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense
Moves: Scald, Earthquake, Toxic, Recover

Is immune to Vaporeon's only attack, and can Toxic stall it to death since it lacks status recovery.

Euphoric August 7th, 2014 8:10 PM

(Mega) [email protected]
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP, 240 Def, 16 SpD
Moves: Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Synthesis, Sleep Powder
Unaffected by Toxic and takes negligible damage from EQ and Scald. Once in, destroys Gastrodon with Giga Drain or puts it to sleep.

Magistrum August 7th, 2014 9:51 PM

Ugh i swear, megavenu with sleep powder is a royal pain to deal with.

Coming straight from UU, Standard Utility Crobat descends!

Crobat @ Black Sludge
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 200 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
- Defog
- Roost

Taunt is there to shut down non-damaging moves as well as stopping MegaVenu's source of recovery. Crobat laughs at Mega Venusaur's puny attempts in trying to damage it, and 2HKO's with STAB Brave Bird.

Calcs:
252 Atk Crobat Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 192-228 (52.7 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 52 HP / 4 SpD Crobat: 84-99 (25.9 - 30.5%) -- 2.8% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Euphoric August 8th, 2014 7:19 PM

[email protected]
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Modest
Moves: Substitute, Charge Beam, Flash Cannon, Volt Switch

And straight from New Mauville or someplace similar, Magnezone appears! He takes nothing from Brave Bird and can spam Charge Beam until Crobat falls. He could also Sub and chuckle as Crobat tries vainly to break it.

Also, personally dislike Mega Venusaur. It's so bleh and stallish.

KorpiklaaniVodka August 8th, 2014 8:54 PM

shame this thing is only viable on rain teams

http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/seismitoad.gif

Seismitoad @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

- Hydro Pump
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave

+1 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 136-161 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 182-214 (51.7 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 227-267 (64.4 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 273-321 (77.5 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+5 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 318-375 (90.3 - 106.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Magnezone can sometimes fail to OHKO Seismitoad even at +5. Meanwhile, Seismitoad outspeeds it and sends it packing with a simple Earth Power:

252+ SpA Life Orb Seismitoad Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Magnezone: 686-811 (244.1 - 288.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

(also, why would you not use HP Fire on that set...)

Polar Spectrum August 8th, 2014 9:47 PM

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/f8/593Jellicent-Female.png/110px-593Jellicent-Female.png

Jellicent (Assault Vest)
Ability (I never got wtf a trait is) : Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 6 HP
Calm Nature

- Energy Ball
- Hydro Pump
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam


Jellicent is immune to 2 of Seismitoad's attacks and its strongest stab, resists a third, and isn't very impressively damaged by it's secondary stab. It then proceeds to ruin its day with a nasty 4 x Effective Energy ball.

halcyonic August 9th, 2014 2:17 AM

http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/heatran.gif

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
-Fire Blast
-Flash Cannon
-Earth Power
-Ancient Power

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 157-185 (48.6 - 57.2%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 614-726 (201.9 - 238.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 336-396 (110.5 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Magistrum August 9th, 2014 3:28 AM

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate >>> Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

The moment the screen says nothing about Heatran floating via Air Balloon, Gyarados can switch in and scoff at anything Heatran throws at it. Assuming no burn from lava plume, it doesn't even need to setup or mega evolve; press the Earthquake button and watch Heatran get shaken to death.

252+ Atk Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 444-524 (137.4 - 162.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 520-616 (160.9 - 190.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Even if Lava Plume triggers a burn, all Mega Gyarados needs to do is to Dragon Dance once and OHKO with Earthquake, or just be trigger-happy with Earthquake, resulting in a 2HKO.

Opposite Day August 9th, 2014 3:29 AM

Spoiler:
y'know I'm pretty tempted to just one up your heatran with a heatran, add a balloon and call it a day.

BUT THAT IS NOT HOW WE DO THINGS AROUND HERE (especially with how I never manage to get into OU)

http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/slowking.gif
Slowking @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
-Scald
-Psyshock
-Fire Blast
-Dragon Tail


252+ SpecsTran Fire Blast vs. 252/4 AV Slowking: 22.8 - 27.1%
(FF activated: 34.2 - 40.6%)
252+ SpecsTran Earth Power vs. 252/4 AV Slowking: 25.3 - 29.9%

Regenerator ensures that you can switch in and heal off the damage any time. In return, Scald does a minimum of 70% to Tran. Boom.




EDIT: THIS ALWAYS FLIPPING ALWAYS HAPPENS WHY DO I NEVER LEARN TO AVOID POSTING IN THESE THREADS

also there was never any mention of Lava Plume on Heatran :x

OH WELL.

http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/slowbro.gif
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
-Scald
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Slack Off

MGyara's unboosted EQ does 23.3 - 27.6% to ProBro, leaving Slowbro to either try to burn it w/ Scald (let's be honest here, it will happen) or just go straight for the almost 2hko w/ Grass Knot:

4 SpA Slowbro Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: (41.5 - 49.3%) yeaaah.


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