I don't mean to speak for everyone here but probably the cartridges and 3DS's, I know at least Polar and I do not enjoy using Pokemon Showdown. :x
I'm not a fan of showdown either. Not sure why. It just doesn't feel...right. I wouldn't wanna lose people over this though so for the sake of the league I'm willing to do showdown battles with anyone who's incapable of putting together a team on their 3DS or anyone who doesn't have X/Y
champagnepapi
July 24th, 2014 3:48 PM
Its not that hard to breed 5iv pokes in the games but I guess it can be a bit tedious, same with team preview only being shown once, but I'm fine with both. Also is the league using smogon tiers?
Blueboi22
July 24th, 2014 3:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Antebellum
(Post 8367098)
is the league using smogon tiers?
I'd prefer we didn't. But that's only because I don't care for smogon or VGC rules
Polar Spectrum
July 24th, 2014 4:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Zekrom
(Post 8367091)
Right, right, I forgot about that bit. Cartridges and 3DSs is fine by me. I'm fine with either option really.
Oh thank god, I didn't know which you played on. :x
We're gonna alienate people sticking to either one individually though; so it may be best to do mixed... although we'd require a considerably larger amount of participants, essentially doubling the personnel on board to have a cartridge and sim league :I So I think - we maaaay just wanna stick to one after all.
Besides, if we keep it from being an extremely competitive master skill level league, we can probably buff the number of participants by getting people who aren't necessarily so into competitive as to have full teams of 5 IV mons (which I agree, really aren't that hard to get now with destiny knot) bred for competitive. There's not really a point to non-competive sims though, since you can pretty much just generate anything with a few clicks - so I think cartridge is a good choice. :3
BadPokemon
July 24th, 2014 4:58 PM
I met as well put out my opinion. I really like the idea, but I think the champion should be decided like this:
We have a mini tournament between the well-respected battlers (top 5) of our community, and the winner gets to be champion. The other four are the elite four. The regular gyms are for anyone. I would personally like it on the regular game cartridges to give it the "facing the gym" feeling.
srinator
July 24th, 2014 7:16 PM
This seems fun, but I have one question since I read about breeding and things, can't this be done on the sim? I don't have any of the games so :/
Polar Spectrum
July 24th, 2014 8:21 PM
It seems like everyone has really good reasons both ways - sooo, maybe both is the answer :1 If we do, maybe we just trim down the number of gyms for each section? At least until there's a strong need to increase it. :x Let's say we split it right down the middle, 4 gyms on cartridge, 4 gyms on sims - then 2 elite four on cartridge; 2 on sims - with one champion for each? And I'm not suggesting that you have to play both in order to go through the league; by keeping the numbers smaller at first - we run a lower risk of too much to do or too many people to coordinate battles with deterring people from participating. Whaddyou guys think?
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Originally Posted by BadPokemon
(Post 8367160)
We have a mini tournament between the well-respected battlers (top 5) of our community, and the winner gets to be champion. The other four are the elite four. The regular gyms are for anyone. I would personally like it on the regular game cartridges to give it the "facing the gym" feeling.
Mmm, two things - one, how would we decide the most well respected / top 5? xD Nobody here knows for example if I'm sh*t or legit at pokemon, I think we should do it by tournament amongst volunteers. That way whomever wins; we at least know they're willing and interested to uphold the position. Secondly - I wholeheartedly agree with you on the facing the gym feel on cartridge. You just can't get more authentic than the original source material. And there's no denying the battles are more personal, cinematic, and intense. (opinionsopinionsopinioins)
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Originally Posted by srinator
(Post 8367333)
This seems fun, but I have one question since I read about breeding and things, can't this be done on the sim? I don't have any of the games so :/
While I don't sympathize with you not wanting to breed (it's so easy now mate! :P ) I do feel where you're coming from. And you're definitely not the only one. We should have a league set up for sim battles too. It pains me to admit, but the sim players might just be the majority in fact.
Anywho yeah - anybody else feelin' the splitting the league between the two mediums idea? I think it could work; if things get too busy or it turns out to be a success, we could move up to a full 2 separate leagues, one completely independent on sims, and one completely independent on cartridge. Starting off right now though, 4 gyms, 2 elite members and a champion battle seems like a nice pace to start on for me. ^^ I can volunteer to handle the cartridge half (IF - we go down this path) but someone more personally invested and experienced than myself should prrrobably be the sim league commissioner.
Cyclone
July 24th, 2014 8:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum
(Post 8366993)
We have 8 gyms. - As in 8 individuals, all different players, each with one unique pokemon type, which every pokemon on their team must be have naturally. The gym leaders may pick the battle format (singles or doubles - no rotation or triples) for their gym, and may NOT use any legendary pokemon. While facing the 8 gym leaders, challengers should keep the same 6 pokemon on their team (to prevent picking 6 hard counters for every gym type, and providing a challenge to both leaders and challengers.) but may change items. (because fairness and fun.) Challengers may have *1* non mascot or event legend (ie; No Mewtwo, Xerneas, Dialga, Darkrai, Genesect, Deoxys) - allowing trio members and non mascots (ie; Gen 1 bird trio, musketeers, D/P lake trio).
I disagree. Allow a single Gym to have triple battles, and another to have Rotation battles. It challenges especially anyone challenging that Gym and provides a unique experience. It should be pre-determined which one TYPE would be best for each format and mandate that Gym use it.
Gym Leaders, technically, can be promoted to Elite Four (it's happened before), and we might have to do a graduating format. Have an initial tournament between the various "leaders" and their Gym teams; the best ones get to Elite Four status. The Champion can start out as the winner of the tournament, and that winner can have a team including a wider mix - but ONLY the Champion. There can also be NO Champion to start, and the first to conquer the Elite Four assumes the role; anyone else coming in can dethrone the Champion. The question is whether the Champion would move down, or can the Elite Four ever challenge the Champion with a non-typed team and the winner move up? The entire idea of Gym Leaders moving up and down is the thing I can't wrap my head around as, since Gym Leaders usually live in their towns, I can't see one leaving and then returning a week later after being demoted again. That would be silly. Gym Leaders can perhaps be allowed to challenge once every three or four months, and a defeated Elite Four member assume leadership of the Gym (same type or different); any losing "leader" in such a battle remains a Gym Leader.
I don't know why this is exciting me; I'm not even into the competitive thing. But if I were to serve as a leader and not necessarily challenge the entire league myself, that might be sufficient for me as it would give me the chance to meet the most challengers (and I am not the best battler). My only issue is my nearly full 3DS friend list; I'll have to axe people to take part.
And then there's another question: level restrictions. If every Gym Leader is Lv.100 or all battles are set to Lv.50, it takes away the aspect of being better than the Gym Leader at the outset. Also, if participants can change their team for each Leader, then every Leader is virtually doomed to failure. I presume participants will use the same team throughout the challenge and start with a new team if they want to change?
srinator
July 24th, 2014 8:48 PM
Breeding is not the problem lol, I don't have a Nintendo handheld/console, that's the main problem
champagnepapi
July 24th, 2014 8:53 PM
I really think we need to decide if this will be on wifi or simulators with a clear cut vote
Also i dont think the league should start out with a champ, its more rewarding to become champion by conquering the league and promotes more people to challenge to see who can be champ first
Polar Spectrum
July 24th, 2014 8:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclone
(Post 8367403)
I disagree. Allow a single Gym to have triple battles, and another to have Rotation battles. It challenges especially anyone challenging that Gym and provides a unique experience. It should be pre-determined which one TYPE would be best for each format and mandate that Gym use it.
Gym Leaders, technically, can be promoted to Elite Four (it's happened before), and we might have to do a graduating format. Have an initial tournament between the various "leaders" and their Gym teams; the best ones get to Elite Four status. The Champion can start out as the winner of the tournament, and that winner can have a team including a wider mix - but ONLY the Champion. There can also be NO Champion to start, and the first to conquer the Elite Four assumes the role; anyone else coming in can dethrone the Champion. The question is whether the Champion would move down, or can the Elite Four ever challenge the Champion with a non-typed team and the winner move up? The entire idea of Gym Leaders moving up and down is the thing I can't wrap my head around as, since Gym Leaders usually live in their towns, I can't see one leaving and then returning a week later after being demoted again. That would be silly. Gym Leaders can perhaps be allowed to challenge once every three or four months, and a defeated Elite Four member assume leadership of the Gym (same type or different); any losing "leader" in such a battle remains a Gym Leader.
I don't know why this is exciting me; I'm not even into the competitive thing. But if I were to serve as a leader and not necessarily challenge the entire league myself, that might be sufficient for me as it would give me the chance to meet the most challengers (and I am not the best battler). My only issue is my nearly full 3DS friend list; I'll have to axe people to take part.
And then there's another question: level restrictions. If every Gym Leader is Lv.100 or all battles are set to Lv.50, it takes away the aspect of being better than the Gym Leader at the outset. Also, if participants can change their team for each Leader, then every Leader is virtually doomed to failure. I presume participants will use the same team throughout the challenge and start with a new team if they want to change?
M'kay, m'kay - I can kinda feel you on the triples and multis, I'm always a fan of mixing it up. Can a mod or Adam, should he see this tomorrow - change the poll of the thread to "Should a triple battle or rotation battle gym be allowed?" if that's possible? I'm kinda losing reluctance to the idea, but I'd like to know if others are fine with it too.
I hadn't ever considered starting out with a champion, but you know - that also poses another question. In the interest of non-exculsiveness, should we allow Gym leaders to also be challengers? Obviously, with another opponent filling in for their own gym's match, but that could act as our Champion-picker or Elite Four picker in the interim of not having those set up. And, it would keep things going instead of just waiting for people to come and take a shot at us. :P
I think just about everything else in your post I addressed here though -
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Okay. I am home. Explanation inbound.
First of all, this thread, I think at this stage in the process of organizing a league, should be used for brainstorming, logistics, and suggestions / development only. We can run the league and get challenges going from another thread once we establish how it will work.
The main idea, would be to operate like the anime or main games Pokemon league. Begin challenging gym leaders to acquire badges; and once you've obtained all 8 - challenge the elite 4 and the champion of the region. Since we have to deal with timezones and such, I think going out of order should be acceptable. Because I'd hate to see this idea killed by inactivity of any 1 member, or poor timing / time zones.
That said; I'd like to PROPOSE (as in this is completely open to debate and change by anyone other than myself, because who the f*ck even am I [this kid, who he think he is] to start deliberating things like this) some ground rules.
We have 8 gyms.
We have 4 Elite Four members.
We have 1 standing Champion.
We use 6 v 6 battles with X/Y Wifi Normal Ruleset.
And to elaborate, or go a bit more into detail on each of these beasics;
We have 8 gyms. - As in 8 individuals, all different players, each with one unique pokemon type, which every pokemon on their team must be have naturally. The gym leaders may pick the battle format (singles or doubles - no rotation or triples) for their gym, and may NOT use any legendary pokemon. While facing the 8 gym leaders, challengers should keep the same 6 pokemon on their team (to prevent picking 6 hard counters for every gym type, and providing a challenge to both leaders and challengers.) but may change items. (because fairness and fun.) Challengers may have *1* non mascot or event legend (ie; No Mewtwo, Xerneas, Dialga, Darkrai, Genesect, Deoxys) - allowing trio members and non mascots (ie; Gen 1 bird trio, musketeers, D/P lake trio).
We have 4 Elite 4 Members. I'mmmm not sure if, due to numbers, and how many people this may or may not garner right off the bat, if we want to make the Elite 4 different trainers from the gym leaders, or have it where you can be both at once; albeit with different types. Or, if challengers who beat the champion can become the elite four or champion. I don't really think I have an idea which would work better either. So totally open to suggestions on this one. But as far as battles go, same as Gym leaders I would think.
We have one standing Champion. Totally open to opinions on how the champion should work too :v as well as everything really, but especially this since I have no idea what everyone wants on it. But; champion should probably cycle imo.
We use 6 v 6 battles with X/Y Wifi Normal rules set. This basically covers what a lot of people know as tourney / smogon rules. No 2 pokemon with the same dex number, no repeats of items on a team, all that jazz. As I mentioned before, since the leaders are yknow, leaders of gyms, and the challenger is challenging them (durr) the leader picks doubles or singles - ORRRR - for some gyms, we have a leader for singles, and a leader for doubles. (Water gym, TGM and Blue? :D ) Six vs Six because we can have a bit of play through authenticity in it, and normal again, to keep it at level 50. Because I don't think we'll get many challengers if everyone has to level their entire team to level 100.
So yeah, feedback and opinions here?
Everyone set to level 50, to prevent level mismatches and forced level 100 grinds, and challengers keeping one team throughout at leeeeast the 8 gym matches, if not the whole endeavor - would be my suggestion for the process.
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Originally Posted by Antebellum
(Post 8367424)
I really think we need to decide if this will be on wifi or simulators with a clear cut vote
I'm worried we'll exclude too many potential participants that way :/ Such as, if it ends up being on sims - I literally cannot participate. It's failed twice to instal on my laptop, which is at the dying state of literally failing to load high res images. And anyone without a 3ds such as srinator, should it go the other way - would not be likely to cough up the 160 bucks or so. :c
If we don't do it mixed, maybe we should at least split this into two separate events, one league for cartridge players, and one for sim players. If we can't mix the two that is, just having a requirement of 4 badges for whichever medium you use in the same league.
JustJeff
July 24th, 2014 9:01 PM
Well considering I came from another Forums, we do have something like this.
Its called the "Bulbagarden Battle League" http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f518/bulbagarden-battle-league-season-2-open-166555/
It pretty much explains every thing about it. Substitutes, Rules, the Elite 4 and such.
I think if your going to make a League, I think the thread could help a lot.
Zeffy
July 24th, 2014 9:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum
(Post 8367425)
I'm worried we'll exclude too many potential participants that way :/ Such as, if it ends up being on sims - I literally cannot participate.
Note that not all simulators need to be installed. Pokemon Showdown! (the most recent and most popular one, I think) can be played on your browser. That's not really restricting since everyone has a browser. PC has its own Pokemon Showdown! server as well, and several unofficial leagues has been set up in there. If this pushes through, we can provide you your own room in there, too. More info on PC's Battle Server can be read here.
Honestly, I really think using Pokemon Showdown! is the best way to go for any league type things. You can battle outside of Smogon tiers as well anyway (there's a mode called custom game). Not everyone can afford a 3DS after all, and simulators are free. You could also do both, essentially widening the availability of battles.
Polar Spectrum
July 24th, 2014 9:21 PM
Hmmm, y'know I like some of those, and I don't like some of those. They are specifically geared towards the sims though, which is not very conducive to developing the best format for cartridge players as well :1 But how about we give this thread some time, maybe a day at least - to allow feedback (hopefully) from some of those 9 or 10 people who voted in the poll?
And erm. Maybe set a goal for starting this up - so we don't end up just talking and debating about it for a whole week, then having no one still interested by the time it finally launches? :P
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Originally Posted by Zeffy
(Post 8367444)
Note that not all simulators need to be installed. Pokemon Showdown! (the most recent and most popular one, I think) can be played on your browser. That's not really restricting since everyone has a browser. PC has its own Pokemon Showdown! server as well, and several unofficial leagues has been set up in there. If this pushes through, we can provide you your own room in there, too. More info on PC's Battle Server can be read here.
Honestly, I really think using Pokemon Showdown! is the best way to go for any league type things. You can battle outside of Smogon tiers as well anyway (there's a mode called custom game). Not everyone can afford a 3DS after all, and simulators are free. You could also do both, essentially widening the availability of battles.
Oo, why thank you for that. I'll investigate tonight to see if I can use Showdown after all. :D However I just personally, far prefer playing on Wifi with my own DS, my own game, and my own pokemon I've bred and trained to any simulator. It may sound dumb, or even ignorant and stubborn, I know - but I just do. It's a personal preference I've maintained for a long long time, and I'm just not very fond of showdown or PO to begin with. The custom game bit does sound more appealing to meh (Triple battle wailords - everyone metronome huehuehuehue) - and I appreciate the situations of people who can't or don't want to buy 2/3DS systems just as much as I don't expect people to harangue me to use Showdown. ^^ As long as there are other people looking to play on the X/Y actual games, I will jump in with that crowd and hoooopefully soon here, set up what we can to join 'em all in a good 'n fun league to challenge.
TGM
July 24th, 2014 9:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeffy
(Post 8367444)
Note that not all simulators need to be installed. Pokemon Showdown! (the most recent and most popular one, I think) can be played on your browser. That's not really restricting since everyone has a browser. PC has its own Pokemon Showdown! server as well, and several unofficial leagues has been set up in there. If this pushes through, we can provide you your own room in there, too. More info on PC's Battle Server can be read here.
Honestly, I really think using Pokemon Showdown! is the best way to go for any league type things. You can battle outside of Smogon tiers as well anyway (there's a mode called custom game). Not everyone can afford a 3DS after all, and simulators are free. You could also do both, essentially widening the availability of battles.
I pretty much share Dash's opinion, sims aren't for me. I prefer to use the pokemon that I worked hard to breed and train.
Not hating on sim users btw, use what you like and to each his own and all that. I know it may sound ignorant and such, but it just simply isn't something that I am interested in doing.
#DickBats
July 24th, 2014 10:37 PM
I think pokemon simulators are the way to go. Even though I prefer to play in my 3ds and I hate simulators but its just preference.Everyone in the forum has a PC(I assume) but not everyone has a 3DS. Just my humble opinion :). Oh and i'm active most of the time but i'm not a good battler. So yeah, looking foward to "tryhard" the league
Polar Spectrum
July 25th, 2014 4:11 AM
I'm hearing a lot more sims over games - but boy could we sure use that poll up there being changed xD
Dangit I shoulda made the thread hahah.
Nah
July 25th, 2014 4:28 AM
I'm thinking that, initially at least, we should do the split Showdown/3DS thing, since it seems we can't really get a consensus on this, and some of the challengers may have a preference for how they do the battles as well. Yeah, you'll only have to get 4 badges to challenge the E4 (or E2, rather), but that's the way its gonna have to go. Especially since we still don't have enough people for all the positions, and so to get enough people for all the spots, we need to have both options available (what with Polar's laptop dying and sri not having a 3DS, etc)
Cyclone
July 25th, 2014 5:23 AM
You know what? I like the idea of simulators for this. If there are 25 challengers, that's 25 people to add to a 3DS for every leader - and some might not have room for all of these friends or want the hassle of deleting everyone afterwards.
TGM
July 25th, 2014 7:04 AM
Euuuurghhhhh
Mayhaps we should to the split thing, one for sims and one for 3DS :x
BadPokemon
July 25th, 2014 7:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum
(Post 8367395)
It seems like everyone has really good reasons both ways - sooo, maybe both is the answer :1 If we do, maybe we just trim down the number of gyms for each section? At least until there's a strong need to increase it. :x Let's say we split it right down the middle, 4 gyms on cartridge, 4 gyms on sims - then 2 elite four on cartridge; 2 on sims - with one champion for each? And I'm not suggesting that you have to play both in order to go through the league; by keeping the numbers smaller at first - we run a lower risk of too much to do or too many people to coordinate battles with deterring people from participating. Whaddyou guys think?
Mmm, two things - one, how would we decide the most well respected / top 5? xD Nobody here knows for example if I'm sh*t or legit at pokemon, I think we should do it by tournament amongst volunteers. That way whomever wins; we at least know they're willing and interested to uphold the position. Secondly - I wholeheartedly agree with you on the facing the gym feel on cartridge. You just can't get more authentic than the original source material. And there's no denying the battles are more personal, cinematic, and intense. (opinionsopinionsopinioins)
While I don't sympathize with you not wanting to breed (it's so easy now mate! :P ) I do feel where you're coming from. And you're definitely not the only one. We should have a league set up for sim battles too. It pains me to admit, but the sim players might just be the majority in fact.
Anywho yeah - anybody else feelin' the splitting the league between the two mediums idea? I think it could work; if things get too busy or it turns out to be a success, we could move up to a full 2 separate leagues, one completely independent on sims, and one completely independent on cartridge. Starting off right now though, 4 gyms, 2 elite members and a champion battle seems like a nice pace to start on for me. ^^ I can volunteer to handle the cartridge half (IF - we go down this path) but someone more personally invested and experienced than myself should prrrobably be the sim league commissioner.
Showdown IS easier to hold tournaments and such because you don't have to trade FC's and stuff. But, it may not be fair for something like this because some people don't play emulators. However, it takes like a minute to set up an account (you don't even need an email). A tournament is a great idea. But, what about the other spots? The next top 4 in the tourney get the elite spots? Or do we have a single champion, 2 elites, and 4 gym leaders. That would make it a lot easier, but to make up for the lack of battles, we have the league "reset" with new people every 2 months or so.
Polar Spectrum
July 25th, 2014 7:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Zekrom
(Post 8367955)
I'm thinking that, initially at least, we should do the split Showdown/3DS thing, since it seems we can't really get a consensus on this, and some of the challengers may have a preference for how they do the battles as well. Yeah, you'll only have to get 4 badges to challenge the E4 (or E2, rather), but that's the way its gonna have to go. Especially since we still don't have enough people for all the positions, and so to get enough people for all the spots, we need to have both options available (what with Polar's laptop dying and sri not having a 3DS, etc)
Thank you, and I agree. I'm really thinking that will work best based on the fact that we won't have to exclude anybody, we don't know how many people we'll have to fill roles within the league, or how many challengers it will recieve and how often. For a trial run, I can't see a better way to test the water than this.
Moving on - I would be terrible at working with the showdown half of this for obvious reasons hahah. Anyone want to volunteer to, handle- that half the league?
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Originally Posted by BadPokemon
(Post 8368195)
Showdown IS easier to hold tournaments and such because you don't have to trade FC's and stuff. But, it may not be fair for something like this because some people don't play emulators. However, it takes like a minute to set up an account (you don't even need an email). A tournament is a great idea. But, what about the other spots? The next top 4 in the tourney get the elite spots? Or do we have a single champion, 2 elites, and 4 gym leaders. That would make it a lot easier, but to make up for the lack of battles, we have the league "reset" with new people every 2 months or so.
Those are both great ideas Bad :3 (sounds silly with your name in there lel) hopefully keeping the positions volatile would mean the more active players would he kept in the seats of the leaders and elites.
And yes; I was suggesting at least to start off, showdown have 4 dedicated leaders, 2 elites, and 1 champion - and X/Y have the same.
champagnepapi
July 25th, 2014 7:58 AM
Whatever everyone decides i think the best thing you can do for the league is recruit other people.
BadPokemon
July 25th, 2014 8:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum
(Post 8368199)
Thank you, and I agree. I'm really thinking that will work best based on the fact that we won't have to exclude anybody, we don't know how many people we'll have to fill roles within the league, or how many challengers it will recieve and how often. For a trial run, I can't see a better way to test the water than this.
Moving on - I would be terrible at working with the showdown half of this for obvious reasons hahah. Anyone want to volunteer to, handle- that half the league?
Those are both great ideas Bad :3 (sounds silly with your name in there lel) hopefully keeping the positions volatile would mean the more active players would he kept in the seats of the leaders and elites.
And yes; I was suggesting at least to start off, showdown have 4 dedicated leaders, 2 elites, and 1 champion - and X/Y have the same.
Thanks! I usually use "Bad" in my usernames. I figured, this is a pokemon forum, so I'll be BadPokemon. I actually like it a lot. I think this league would be a great way to hone our battling skills. Making the positions volatile lets the not as good players get better and have a goal of being gym leader or something. Maybe, the battles could be held on both emulators and game cartridges for convenience (I would use cartridge).
I think it would be fun, a great learning experience, and we can make friends. We could have prizes for being the champion such as iv bred pokemon and items.
Polar Spectrum
July 25th, 2014 9:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Antebellum
(Post 8368278)
Whatever everyone decides i think the best thing you can do for the league is recruit other people.
True. I suppose when I get home from work I'll go recruit hunting.
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Originally Posted by BadPokemon
(Post 8368328)
Thanks! I usually use "Bad" in my usernames. I figured, this is a pokemon forum, so I'll be BadPokemon. I actually like it a lot. I think this league would be a great way to hone our battling skills. Making the positions volatile lets the not as good players get better and have a goal of being gym leader or something. Maybe, the battles could be held on both emulators and game cartridges for convenience (I would use cartridge).
I think it would be fun, a great learning experience, and we can make friends. We could have prizes for being the champion such as iv bred pokemon and items.
I concur. I'm hoping that while we have tournaments and other mediums around here for 100% competitive play (what an oxymoronical statement that is- 'competitive play') I'm hoping the league will maybe be 55/45 on "for fun/competitive."