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BadPokemon July 25th, 2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368415)
True. I suppose when I get home from work I'll go recruit hunting.



I concur. I'm hoping that while we have tournaments and other mediums around here for 100% competitive play (what an oxymoronical statement that is- 'competitive play') I'm hoping the league will maybe be 55/45 on "for fun/competitive."

I like the idea because it is fun. Would you say it is more casual? I look forward to (assuming it succeeds) talking about how so and so's gym and hard. "How can I beat him/her?" It sparks up conversation- almost like the real game.

AdamEternal July 25th, 2014 10:30 AM

Holy Arceus, I'm gone for the rest of the day (have no choice), and I come back to this. THIS is why Polar Spectrum should be taking charge! I'll chat with Polar to get information. This is too much to handle. 0.0

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 2:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368453)
I like the idea because it is fun. Would you say it is more casual? I look forward to (assuming it succeeds) talking about how so and so's gym and hard. "How can I beat him/her?" It sparks up conversation- almost like the real game.

All my yes. ^^ I don't mean 100% casual as in you can beat it with your first playthrough team - because the gym leaders will be challenging, and the champion will be the best amongst us, with a competitive team at his / her disposal. But I personally, don't want it to be 30 turns of switching Azumarills and Garchomps in and out of stealth rocks. Because seriously. There is NO instance of that, anywhere in any of the games, between gym leaders or elite 4, without going against other human opponents. I think if we just get the right spirt amongst the gym leaders, and keep sportsmanship and communication in our focus we should be alright. (not saying those pokemon, or things like entry hazards shouldn't be allowed. Just that we should be mindful about keeping a smidge of authenticity wedged between our pokeballs with this.)

Also - on what you said about the authentic gym leader / league feel- I think it's a great idea to discuss both challenger and leader teams openly. Helping each other out, suggesting tweaks to pokemon and team builds could really help some people step up their game. Maybe even get someone through the league who wouldn't have on their own, or had attempted to previously. And as long as the gym leaders are locked into one typing, their teams should be somewhat possible to document and share amongst challengers.

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Originally Posted by AdamEternal (Post 8368469)
Holy Arceus, I'm gone for the rest of the day (have no choice), and I come back to this. THIS is why Polar Spectrum should be taking charge! I'll chat with Polar to get information. This is too much to handle. 0.0

Hah - I wouldn't say I should be 'in charge'. I'm eager to help push this, since I love the idea and wanna participate though. :P And you haven't missed that much, only 3 pages or so. : , Primary issue right now is discussing logistics. Sim vs Games and all that.

Anywhoooo.


This weekend may be a good chance to spearhead getting this started. I'm gonna send out some PM and VM's right now, to hopefully get someone to involve themselves heavily with the Showdown half of the league. Volunteers would be great too though : , I know a lot of people in the thread already said they're backing the idea, but is anyone willing to take a spot helping to organize dat sim half?

Euphoric July 25th, 2014 2:52 PM

I'd be interested in participating. Definitely prefer Showdown, though, don't have a great ingame team.

BadPokemon July 25th, 2014 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368792)
All my yes. ^^ I don't mean 100% casual as in you can beat it with your first playthrough team - because the gym leaders will be challenging, and the champion will be the best amongst us, with a competitive team at his / her disposal. But I personally, don't want it to be 30 turns of switching Azumarills and Garchomps in and out of stealth rocks. Because seriously. There is NO instance of that, anywhere in any of the games, between gym leaders or elite 4, without going against other human opponents. I think if we just get the right spirt amongst the gym leaders, and keep sportsmanship and communication in our focus we should be alright. (not saying those pokemon, or things like entry hazards shouldn't be allowed. Just that we should be mindful about keeping a smidge of authenticity wedged between our pokeballs with this.)

Also - on what you said about the authentic gym leader / league feel- I think it's a great idea to discuss both challenger and leader teams openly. Helping each other out, suggesting tweaks to pokemon and team builds could really help some people step up their game. Maybe even get someone through the league who wouldn't have on their own, or had attempted to previously. And as long as the gym leaders are locked into one typing, their teams should be somewhat possible to document and share amongst challengers.



Hah - I wouldn't say I should be 'in charge'. I'm eager to help push this, since I love the idea and wanna participate though. :P And you haven't missed that much, only 3 pages or so. : , Primary issue right now is discussing logistics. Sim vs Games and all that.

Anywhoooo.


This weekend may be a good chance to spearhead getting this started. I'm gonna send out some PM and VM's right now, to hopefully get someone to involve themselves heavily with the Showdown half of the league. Volunteers would be great too though : , I know a lot of people in the thread already said they're backing the idea, but is anyone willing to take a spot helping to organize dat sim half?

We should also establish some rules. I'm just brainstorming here.

No legendaries bar the trios.
Pokebank is allowed.
No smogon bans or complex bans (example: swag play and shell smash+ baton pass is allowed)
Illegal/hacked/unrealeased HA is not allowed.
No pokemon of the same pokedex number is allowed.

Again, just some ideas. I'll think of more later.

Belldandy July 25th, 2014 3:04 PM

This is a neat idea :) I just wish I knew more about competitive battling XD I'd be the Normal-Type Gym Leader Irène, and as Irène means peace, I'd pick Pokemon like:

Blissey
Audino
Wigglytuff
Cincinno
Delcatty

Cuteee <3 and they would all have Sing, as I'd put people to peaceful sleeps :P

Horrible accuracy, though.

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoric (Post 8368814)
I'd be interested in participating. Definitely prefer Showdown, though, don't have a great ingame team.

Noooo problem :D We're gonna have everyone covered, with a bi-partisan league that supports X/Y and Showdown. Glad to have ya ~ probably set up a tourney or something to set places here in the next few days to a week.

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368828)
We should also establish some rules. I'm just brainstorming here.

No legendaries bar the trios.
Pokebank is allowed.
No smogon bans or complex bans (example: swag play and shell smash+ baton pass is allowed)
Illegal/hacked/unrealeased HA is not allowed.
No pokemon of the same pokedex number is allowed.

Again, just some ideas. I'll think of more later.

I concur on the first one - I think I mentioned that in the semi-op about suggesting rules, glad to hear someone's with me hahah.
Pokebank too, yes - seconded.
Smogon bans, I withhold my opinion - I can't really say since I'm not even aware of all their numerous bans on movesets, abilities, items, and pokemon. I will read up on it though-
Agree that no hacks should be allowed. Why ever would theyyyy-
And concur on the no 2 same pokedex pokemon. Erm wait - do we wanna enforce that last one for Gym Leaders too? Some gym leaders and Elite 4 members have used 2 of the same pokemon, a lot actually. LANCE. With his 2 illegal Dragonite. lol.

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Originally Posted by Belldandy (Post 8368831)
This is a neat idea :) I just wish I knew more about competitive battling XD I'd be the Normal-Type Gym Leader Irène, and as Irène means peace, I'd pick Pokemon like:

Blissey
Audino
Wigglytuff
Cincinno
Delcatty

Cuteee <3 and they would all have Sing, as I'd put people to peaceful sleeps :P

Horrible accuracy, though.

xD I'm so hoping the actual leaders, whomever gets the roles - actually use teams like this. It'd be so much fun hahaah.

Also Wigglytuff is a monster, it's not at all about peace. I hear it's committed terrible crimes.

champagnepapi July 25th, 2014 3:23 PM

I think 3:3 [3 wild cards] monotype would be best. If youre going to have strategy discussion on gym leaders, well they should at least be somewhat challenging. If im the grass gym and i have to pick all 6 grass types then all my opponent has to do is bring talonflame.

Belldandy July 25th, 2014 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368836)
xD I'm so hoping the actual leaders, whomever gets the roles - actually use teams like this. It'd be so much fun hahaah.

Also Wigglytuff is a monster, it's not at all about peace. I hear it's committed terrible crimes.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100605230532/pokemon/images/3/3b/Harley_Wigglytuff.png

But yeah, I like themed teams, too, not just based on typing :)

TGM July 25th, 2014 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antebellum (Post 8368851)
I think 3:3 [3 wild cards] monotype would be best. If youre going to have strategy discussion on gym leaders, well they should at least be somewhat challenging. If im the grass gym and i have to pick all 6 grass types then all my opponent has to do is bring talonflame.

I believe we talked about this, but challengers can only use one team for the whole league.

So someone who brings a Talonflame for your grass gym would have a harder time if I were to have a water gym.

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Antebellum (Post 8368851)
I think 3:3 [3 wild cards] monotype would be best. If youre going to have strategy discussion on gym leaders, well they should at least be somewhat challenging. If im the grass gym and i have to pick all 6 grass types then all my opponent has to do is bring talonflame.

That's a good idea too - Gym Leaders always had their signature pokemon. We could have 3 pokemon on a gym leader's team be constant, and of course yeah - 3 for flex haha. Because being monotype locked is a disadvantage :P Especially with things like Grass and Rock.

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Originally Posted by Belldandy (Post 8368860)
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100605230532/pokemon/images/3/3b/Harley_Wigglytuff.png

But yeah, I like themed teams, too, not just based on typing :)

xD Wigglytuff. That picture was perfect. Well played. And ditto what you said; I know for sure at least Blue will be using a theme if he's a leader - all his pokemon are blue hehe. Which shouldn't be too hard since he's gonna shoot for the water gym.


But hey! I've sent out some PM's, there's some interest, let's hit the metal while it's hot. How does a tournament on Showdown / X/Y sound either this weekend, or this coming week to decide gym leader and E4 spots?

It is worth noting too - don't feel bad or be upset if you don't do well in the tournament, if you stay active in the league as a regular and / or successful challenger, you can take up a spot as a gym leader or Elite 4 member. The primary requirement is going to be activity and reliability in participating, since a League is nothing without the league members themselves.

Anyone got suggestions for when this should go down? : p

Oblivion Wing July 25th, 2014 4:07 PM

I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?

BadPokemon July 25th, 2014 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368836)
Noooo problem :D We're gonna have everyone covered, with a bi-partisan league that supports X/Y and Showdown. Glad to have ya ~ probably set up a tourney or something to set places here in the next few days to a week.



I concur on the first one - I think I mentioned that in the semi-op about suggesting rules, glad to hear someone's with me hahah.
Pokebank too, yes - seconded.
Smogon bans, I withhold my opinion - I can't really say since I'm not even aware of all their numerous bans on movesets, abilities, items, and pokemon. I will read up on it though-
Agree that no hacks should be allowed. Why ever would theyyyy-
And concur on the no 2 same pokedex pokemon. Erm wait - do we wanna enforce that last one for Gym Leaders too? Some gym leaders and Elite 4 members have used 2 of the same pokemon, a lot actually. LANCE. With his 2 illegal Dragonite. lol.



xD I'm so hoping the actual leaders, whomever gets the roles - actually use teams like this. It'd be so much fun hahaah.

Also Wigglytuff is a monster, it's not at all about peace. I hear it's committed terrible crimes.

I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

TGM July 25th, 2014 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368931)
I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

I'm gonna opt for our own builds, if I was forced to use the same pokemon that gym leaders used in the games I'd be sad cause I wasn't able to use my own :/

Nah July 25th, 2014 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferraligator (Post 8368915)
I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?

We're actually still discussing and setting up everything, but you're welcome to join in the conversation here.

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368931)
I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

The Showdown half of the league is going to have to abide by Smogon's rules, since Showdown uses Smogon's rules and we can't really change that. The 3DS half doesn't have to follow any specific rules, though we will obviously have to set a few rules ourselves.

I don't think that we're restricting ourselves to the types and Pokemon used in the actual games.

And about the little tournament to decide the E4 and Champion slots: I'd rather that it be this weekend.

Oh, and I call Dragon type. Just saying.

BadPokemon July 25th, 2014 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TGM (Post 8368944)
I'm gonna opt for our own builds, if I was forced to use the same pokemon that gym leaders used in the games I'd be sad cause I wasn't able to use my own :/

Yea, I agree 100%. I don't want to be limited to the same builds and pokemon, either. We have our own pokemon that we love to use and worked hard to breed and raise.

Euphoric July 25th, 2014 4:39 PM

I'd say that a gym leader could use any Pokemon that at least is part of whatever type they are.

Also I disagree on the 3:3 wild cards, no one wants to be like Flint in DP. One wildcard at most, possibly two. Gyms are meant to be specialized, and having that many wildcards is the antithesis of that.

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferraligator (Post 8368915)
I would like to sign up for this :) i like everything i read so far. Who can i contact to be updated with any information/getting started and whatnot?

I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368931)
I meant no bans on movesets- smogon or not. Are the leaders using the in-game gym leaders'a pokemon or their own with their own moveset. Example: in X and Y, the rock type gym had a Tyrantrum, but the gym leader from our community at want to opt for a Rampardos instead. Are the gym types the same as in the game, or not?

Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.

Euphoric July 25th, 2014 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368956)
I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.



Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.

Don't think it would be THAT BAD because you could use Pokemon the leaders used in aftergame rematches, but still, you shouldn't be limited by that. Hopefully the monotypes encourage some creative strategies.

BadPokemon July 25th, 2014 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zekrom (Post 8368953)
We're actually still discussing and setting up everything, but you're welcome to join in the conversation here.


The Showdown half of the league is going to have to abide by Smogon's rules, since Showdown uses Smogon's rules and we can't really change that. The 3DS half doesn't have to follow any specific rules, though we will obviously have to set a few rules ourselves.

I don't think that we're restricting ourselves to the types and Pokemon used in the actual games.

And about the little tournament to decide the E4 and Champion slots: I'd rather that it be this weekend.

Oh, and I call Dragon type. Just saying.

This weekend doesn't work for me. It should be held over a decided date once all the rules and stuff have been layed out. We could do a battle spot battle or vgc on showdown, but neither provide 6 v 6 and singles.

I call flying type gym. Its my favorite type.

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BadPokemon (Post 8368965)
This weekend doesn't work for me. It should be held over a decided date once all the rules and stuff have been layed out. We could do a battle spot battle or vgc on showdown, but neither provide 6 v 6 and singles.

I call flying type gym. Its my favorite type.


Oh you and I are so going to have to fight for that xD

But um, I know Wifi battles on X/Y can support 6 v 6 with capped at level 50 pokemon, I'd imagine Showdown has it too since you can customize just about everything there. We don't have to do it this weekend though, but I'm unavailable next weekend since it's my vacation, and I'm going to Baltimore for the whole time. Possibly devoid of Wifi too :P

I'd just like to hold the battles as soon as possible, while interest is still piqued - to get the maximum turnout and hopefully get the best potential people on board.

Oblivion Wing July 25th, 2014 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Spectrum (Post 8368956)
I'll keep you posted mate. :P Subscribe to the thread if you want consistency though. My memory, isss questionable haha. But awesome! Glad to have you on board.

We should start a sign up sheet for X/Y + Showdown contenders.



Hah, as long as there's no Dark Void - I think I'm good :P

And I think our own pokemon and teams should be permitted. It'll add a lot of fun for both challengers and leaders to have that added aspect. Besides, finding someone to use only pokemon a bug gym leader has used... xD That poor trainer.

Thank you!! Is it too soon to call dibs on the ghost type gym/elite ^.^ hehehe i would love that!!

Nah July 25th, 2014 4:51 PM

6v6 Singles is the standard battle format on Showdown, so that's not a problem either.

I can do the tourney on weekdays too, it's just that I'm not available all day then because of work.

Polar Spectrum July 25th, 2014 4:52 PM

I think first we need to decide (by battle) who gets to be leaders, then we can delegate types. Since the people who win, may not be satisfied or have the available pokemon immediately for what types they get stuck with. :P

So in order for everyone to be able to pick their type most efficiently, we need to pick who's picking hah.

champagnepapi July 25th, 2014 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoric (Post 8368955)
I'd say that a gym leader could use any Pokemon that at least is part of whatever type they are.

Also I disagree on the 3:3 wild cards, no one wants to be like Flint in DP. One wildcard at most, possibly two. Gyms are meant to be specialized, and having that many wildcards is the antithesis of that.

The purpose of monotype is to make the gyms on here proportionally difficult to how they're supposed to be in the regions. Ash might have trouble against brawly, but anyone playing the games can just wreck him with swellow. Now if brawly has a manectric, that restores the challenge and shakes things up. Basically youre still a specialist but more oc a "competitive specialist" to keep things interesting.

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Also, to the people who put "Im confused" in the poll, maybe ask your questions in the thread and someone could help answer them.

Btw can I grab the steel gym?


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