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Dsaerno March 15th, 2005 2:14 PM

Destruction Darkness Dragon (YGO)
 
I know I post my decks way too often around here, but this is how I get my strategies polished and shined. Again, here is my dragon deck, fixed up and drawn according to the new April banlist.

--Monsters (20)--
Armed Dragon LV3 (x2)
Armed Dragon LV5 (x2)
Armed Dragon LV7
Luster Dragon (x2)
Red-Eyes Black Chick (x2)
Red-Eyes Black Dragon (x2)
Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon
Masked Dragon (x3)
Lord of D. (x2)
Cyber Jar
Dragon Dwelling in the Cave (x2)

--Spells (12)--
Stamping Destruction (x3)
Flute of Summoning Dragon (x2)
Soul Exchange
Mage Power
Swords of Revealing Light
Pot of Greed
Level Up! (x2)
Wicked Breaking Flamberge - Baou

--Traps (8)--
Bottomless Trap Hole (2)
Dust Tornado (2)
Ring of Destruction
Needle Wall
Enchanted Javelin
Call of the Haunted


-Soon, I will be getting the rest of the Horus set so I can replace Armed Dragon with him. If I do, would it be wise to put in another Level Up, because Horus LV4 must destroy a monster in order to grow a level? Or would Mountain suffice?

-When I do get the Horuses, would adding the Element Dragons from the structure deck be a good idea also? With 9 fire monsters, I think I have a good chance of summoning a 2000 ATK guy without tribute.


Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Mullet March 15th, 2005 4:17 PM

The Red-Eyes stuff is bad, take out all of that and put in 3 Spear Dragons, and if those are the Tribute Lusters take them out and put in 2 or 3 4 Star Lusters, if this is for the new Advanced Format then you need Delinquint Duo, Graceful Charity, Mirror Force, all the uber cards that were unban, and a Snatch Steal, and a couple of Creature Swaps would be nice, also Lightning Vortex is a very good card, I suggest you totally remodel this deck, in a Dragon Deck you don't need all those Dragon supporting cards. I saw a very nice Dragon Beatdown deck a few days ago.

Dsaerno March 15th, 2005 6:51 PM

One- Spear Dragon's effect makes him automatically go into defense after he attacks, and his defense sucks. I would never put him in.

Two- Those are the level 4 Luster Dragons. Luster Dragon #2 is the 6-star guy.

Three- I love my Red-Eyes lineage, but thanks anyway. Maybe I'll update it to Blue-Eyes later...

Four- I would love to put all of those powerful, unbanned cards in my deck, but I probably won't even own half of them in my lifetime! Snatch Steal I do own, though. Personally, I like Soul Exchange better, but maybe I could use them both.

Five- My only dragon supports are the Stamping Destructions (very nessesary) and the Flute of Summoning Dragons. Besides, my deck holds it's own pretty well already.


Maybe I'll consider changing to Blue-Eyes and adding a Snatch Steal, but I don't know.

Mullet March 18th, 2005 7:34 PM

That beatdown Dragon deck I saw, would own this, most likely, and you don't need the Stamping Destructions, Lord of D., or the Flute, and Spear is a must in Dragon decks, and is a beast, because he tramples, and you should be able to protect him, I know I'm harsh but it's the truth, a lot of people are better than me, but in my area, I'm one of the best. So I know what I'm talking about, come back when you learn to think because you asked for feedback, but you throw mine away!

BobTheBlob March 18th, 2005 8:14 PM

Name: King Dragun
Attribute: DARK
Stars: 7
Type: Dragon/Fusion/Effect
ATK/DEF: 2400/1100
Lord of D. + Divine Dragon Ragnarok
Effect: As long as this card remains face-up on the field, your opponent cannot target Dragon-Type monsters for the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Monster Card. Once per turn, you can Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type Monster from your hand to your side of the field.
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So, all ya need is that, Polymerization, and Divine Dragon Ragnarok. King Dragun comes from the new Flaming Eternity set.
OOC: Mullet, Spear Dragon is eww, it really sucks.
Hey, if you bother me about my cards, I'll bother you about yours.

Mullet March 19th, 2005 6:20 AM

Any expert that plays well, can tell you that Spear can fit into a good Dragon deck, and can really fit into any deck, in fact I play one, by saying that Spear Dragon is eww, and by Dsaerno refusing to play this awesome Dragon in a Dragon deck you both have revealed ingnorance. I "bothered" you about your cards because Hade-Hane does suck because he bounces one card back, and has lousy attack, and defence. Really both of you come back when you can back up your statements with something other than he's eww, or he gets switched to defence mode, after you attack with him, that's a horrible excuse. Now if you'll excuse me, I have better decks to rate, because other people don't throw out good ideas.

Kenny_C.002 March 19th, 2005 12:18 PM

I recalled that the spear dragon's ability isn't necessarily bad. More importantly, it's a card that can take something small and difficult to destroy out while dropping to defense mode so something that was bigger than it would be hitting a defense mode monster. The situations are often fairly specific, but it's one thing on why spears and goblins work to a certain extent.

Mullet March 19th, 2005 1:06 PM

Well, Spears trample, and that's always a good effect to have.

Dsaerno March 19th, 2005 3:12 PM

Mullet, I did not mean to offend you by saying that Spear Dragon's defense can make him a problem. I also apologize for saying that he "sucks" because of that. True, if you had the proper cards face-down, Spear Dragon would own the game very quickly.

I, also, do not hold for anything that Surskitty has said-
Quote:

OOC: Mullet, Spear Dragon is eww, it really sucks.
Hey, if you bother me about my cards, I'll bother you about yours.
I would never purposely offend anyone.

I only meant that I would not play a Spear Dragon because of his effect. Ignorance, in this case, is refusing to play a card perhaps because I can't, due to lack of perfection with other cards. Obviously, you could play a Spear Dragon with excellent skill and ease.

Quote:

...you don't need the Stamping Destructions, Lord of D., or the Flute...
...you should be able to protect him (Spear Dragon)...
I would not take the chance with the cards I currently own. Again, I apologize for my "ignorance", for "ignoring" your advice, and for saying his effect that requires him to go into defense "sucks". I don't demand an apology from you, but you have said some offensive things, too.

Quote:

I know what I'm talking about, come back when you learn to think because you asked for feedback, but you throw mine away!
By Dsaerno refusing to play this awesome Dragon in a Dragon deck you both have revealed ingnorance.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have better decks to rate, because other people don't throw out good ideas.

EDIT: I only wanted feedback about my deck. Please, no more of the Spear Dragon thing!

Mullet March 19th, 2005 5:04 PM

Even if you cannot protect him that damage you do when trampling could be gamebreak, I could give examples but, I don't feel like it. By the way, a couple of Waboku would greatly help your deck.

I never said that you held responsibilty for what he said, I was just merly addressing both of you at the same time.

Mystic March 19th, 2005 9:29 PM

I'm starting to wish I never traded off my Spear Dragon to my friend. I forget what it was I traded for anyways but now he's more deadly with two of them. Mullet's right about the Waboku. Pickeru's Circle of Enchantment works just as well in my oppion if you've got it.

If you had a couple equip spell cards in your deck, I would recomend Element Dragon. Its 1600 atk but with at least one 500+ equip spell (Gravity Axe Gnarl works ok because then your opponet can't change possions. Works good with Spear Dragon if some of your opponet's monsters are in Defence Mode. Dark Pendant works good too because of the 500 damage done to your opponet when its destroyed.) that takes it up to 2100 atk and your opponet can't activate trap cards durring battle phase.

Mullet March 20th, 2005 7:25 AM

The Circle, only stops damage by card effects. Waboku stops battle damage and your monsters from being destroyed, and Hallowed Life Barrier stops everything, if you discard a card from your hand.

Dsaerno March 20th, 2005 1:12 PM

Hmmm, maybe I will try the Waboku's. Thanks, Mullet.
Do you think I should put in 3?

Quote:

Read from yugioh-card.com

-"Waboku" makes Battle Damage dealt by your opponent's monsters to your monsters and to your Life Points become zero.

-"Waboku" applies to ALL of the monsters on that player's side of the field for the entire turn.

Forci Stikane March 21st, 2005 4:31 PM

...No. Threatening Roar, instead. Waboku negates damage, but the attack still goes through, so if it's a face-down monster they attacked, it's flipped. With Threatening Roar, the attack is negated outright.

Also, Spear Dragon (sorry, but I have to) is NOT a necessity for a Dragon deck (throw another one at it and you're in for some pain), but some other cards are (KING DRAGUN!!!! It's already been mentioned...)...Spear just isn't worth it overall...

Mullet March 26th, 2005 5:19 PM

You might want it to be flipped if it's a Flip Effect, and I never said it doesn't stop the monster from being flipped, I just said, it saves your monsters, it is like the best trap card.

You underestimating Spear, he is very useful, and I didn't say he absolutly needed him, but he would help a lot. Maybe you just don't know how to play him correctly, his traple effect could be gamebreaking.

Pogiforce-14 March 26th, 2005 5:39 PM

My modifications will be in bold.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsaerno
I know I post my decks way too often around here, but this is how I get my strategies polished and shined. Again, here is my dragon deck, fixed up and drawn according to the new April banlist.

--Monsters (17)--
Armed Dragon LV3 (x2)
Armed Dragon LV5 (x2)
Luster Dragon (x2)
Spear Dragon x3
Masked Dragon (x2)
Lord of D. (x2)
Cyber Jar
Dragon Dwelling in the Cave (x2)

--Spells (14)--
Stamping Destruction (x3)
Flute of Summoning Dragon (x2)
United We Stand
Mage Power
Swords of Revealing Light
Pot of Greed
Graceful Charity
Level Up! (x2)
Mystical Space Typhoon
Premature Burial

--Traps (10)--
Bottomless Trap Hole (2)
Dust Tornado (2)
Ring of Destruction
Needle Wall
Torrential Tribute
Draining Shield (2)
Call of the Haunted


-Soon, I will be getting the rest of the Horus set so I can replace Armed Dragon with him. If I do, would it be wise to put in another Level Up, because Horus LV4 must destroy a monster in order to grow a level? Or would Mountain suffice?

-When I do get the Horuses, would adding the Element Dragons from the structure deck be a good idea also? With 9 fire monsters, I think I have a good chance of summoning a 2000 ATK guy without tribute.


Thanks in advance for any feedback.


Mullet March 26th, 2005 5:56 PM

Insted of Needle Wall he should put in Mirror Force, and needs to get like 2 Wabokus. Insted of the Stamping Destructions, he should have 2 Creature Swaps, and a Snatch Seal (all of which he can get in the Zombie deck). Also insted of the Cyber Jar, get what every deck, no matter what kind of deck it is should have, the mighty Sinster Serpant, it's a staple, because of his effect, he just keeps comming back, very useful, and even more, because of the Graceful Charity you suggested suggested. All of your other fixes look good!:D

Pogiforce-14 March 26th, 2005 6:36 PM

Together we make an unstoppable team. :D

Mullet March 26th, 2005 7:27 PM

Sure why not!

I almost forgot he needs, a Heavy Storm, he can just toss that in though, without taking anything out, 42 cards isn't bad.

Forci Stikane March 27th, 2005 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullet
You might want it to be flipped if it's a Flip Effect, and I never said it doesn't stop the monster from being flipped, I just said, it saves your monsters, it is like the best trap card.

You underestimating Spear, he is very useful, and I didn't say he absolutly needed him, but he would help a lot. Maybe you just don't know how to play him correctly, his traple effect could be gamebreaking.

I know fully well how to use Spear Dragon correctly, as well as almost every other monster in the game. I'm merely saying that if you're playing someone who uses trample, you do NOT want to have them around. Oh, yeah, if you want trample in a Dragon deck, try DRAGON'S RAGE!!!!!! Also, there are times where Waboku doesn't cut it and your monsters still aren't safe (SASUKE!!), so Threatening Roar might be better to have for protection.

...This is turning into a flaming session, so I'm ending it now. Anyway, as for the deck...I'll base this on Pogiforce-14's changes:

-3 Spear Dragon
+1 Luster Dragon
-1 Needle Wall
+1 Mirror Force
-2 Bottomless Trap Hole
+2 Dragon's Rage
-1 Stamping Destruction
-2 Dragon Dwelling in a Cave
+2 Element Dragon
+1 Twin-Headed Behemoth
+1 Sinister Serpent
+1 Mirage Dragon

...It's still shaky, but it should work.

Mullet March 27th, 2005 7:33 PM

Sasuke won't kill the monster if you use Waboku, even with it's effect, and Dragons Rage is adding extra magics you don't need, Spear is better because it's a monster, that you can reuse. I wasn't flaming (so if it's turning in to a flame war I guess you started it, no one flamed you), I was mearly stating that you seemed like you weren't thinking outside of the box (in a suttle sort of way).

Based on Pogi's fixes, some of those were mine.
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Forci Stikane March 27th, 2005 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullet
Sasuke won't kill the monster if you use Waboku, even with it's effect, and Dragons Rage is adding extra magics you don't need, Spear is better because it's a monster, that you can reuse. I wasn't flaming (so if it's turning in to a flame war I guess you started it, no one flamed you), I was mearly stating that you seemed like you weren't thinking outside of the box (in a suttle sort of way).

Based on Pogi's fixes, some of those were mine.
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Yes it will. Double-check the effects of the cards--if it's face-down, Sasuke destroys it BEFORE damage calculation, when Waboku takes place.

Saying that I don't know how to use a monster IS somewhat of a non-subtle insult, wouldn't you say so?

Also, which is better--a single 1900 ATK trampler that keeps going to defense position or possibly two 2400 ATK and two 2000 double-ATK tramplers?

Mullet March 27th, 2005 7:50 PM

If you summon him I can activate it at anytime, and it stops the attack, but oh well. I just said that since, you really didn't give much of a comment on Spear that you just might not be able to play him correctly, it also wasn't ment as an insult. Plus Dragons Rage only lasts for one turn.

We could sit here and argue all day, but it's just not worth it for me, keep going if you like but it will probally be ignored. I'm not going to start a flame war.

Forci Stikane March 28th, 2005 1:51 PM

...That's what Threatening Roar does, not Waboku, and Dragon's Rage is continuous, but that's it for me.

Mullet March 28th, 2005 7:20 PM

Well, it can still get Mysticaled, Tornadoed, and Stromed.

Dsaerno March 28th, 2005 9:04 PM

I really appreciate all of the positive feedback about the deck, but I'm fixing the entire thing. It won't even be called Destruction Darkness Dragon, anymore! Anyway, below is the new deck. It is still dragon, but a totally new version.

-Ultimate Dragon Deck-

-Fusion Monsters (Fusion Deck) (1)-
King Dragun


-Monsters (20)-
(x3) Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV4
(x2) Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6
Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8
(x3) Blue-Eyes White Dragon
(x2) Paladin of White Dragon
(x3) Lord of D
(x2) Luster Dragon (4-star)
(x2) Manju of the Ten-Thousand Hands
(x2) The Dark - Hex-Sealed Fusion


-Spells (14)-
(x3) Stamping Destruction
(x3) Level Up!
(x2) Flute of Summoning Dragon
(x2) White Dragon Ritual
Mountain
Swords of Revealing Light
Swords of Concealing Light
Spell Absorption


-Traps (6)-
(x2) Bottomless Trap Hole
(x2) Dust Tornado
Ring of Destruction
Call of the Haunted


----------
The three main monsters in the deck are Horus LV8, Blue-Eyes, and King Dragun. Level Up!, Horus LV4 and Horus LV6 ensure that I get Horus LV8 (the toughest to summon) on the field speedily without much delay. I couldn't resist putting in Blue-Eyes, and Paladin of White Dragon with Manju of the Ten-Thousand Hands helps summon the weakest, but quickest monster mentioned above (Blue-Eyes). Then, while Lord of D is protecting my monsters and summoning more dragons from my hand (whick could include any monster but Horus LV8, Paladin of White Dragon, or King Dragun), he can fuse without Polymerization by using Hex-Sealed Fusion, Dark. King Dragun (Lord of D + Dark Hex-Sealed) can protect all dragons (including himself) whle continually summoning dragons from my hand.

I know a lot of people dislike Blue-Eyes, but it really isn't a bad card. In this deck, becasue of King Dragun, Lord of D and his Flute, with Paladin of White Dragon, Blue-Eyes is almost ensured to pop up twice in every duel!
----------

So far, out of this pre-arranged deck, I don't yet own these-

(1) Blue-Eyes
(1) Lord of D.

(1) Horus LV4
(2) Horus LV6

(1) Paladin...Dragon
(1) White...Ritual

(1) King Dragun

The Blue names I can get out of the Kaiba Evolution starter deck.
The Red I can buy seperately, or out of Soul of the Duelist.
The Green I can buy seperately, or out of Flaming Eternity.

----------

From now on, becasue I request it (I made the thread), the topic will be the deck I have posted recently above. I will still play with my old DDD Deck until I get all cards needed for this deck.


Another thing, I would like the flaming of others (no matter how small) to stop. I only started this thread so I could get tips and advice on my multiple decks, and I will not be abusive to anyone.

As a final note, could anyone who posts a reply to change the deck do what was similar that Pogiforce and Ichapokemr did- post every change with a - or +, then explain why the change was offered.

Thanks a lot, and thanks again for all of the great feedback and tips.

:bandit:

Forci Stikane March 31st, 2005 3:52 PM

Hmm...no problem. I enjoy Blue-Eyes, too, but there is a certain card you're missing:

+1 King Dragun (wouldn't hurt, but don't force yourself if you can't find 2)

-1 Soul Absorption
-1 Swords of Concealing Light

+2 Burst Stream of Destruction

This card is almost a NECESSITY for Blue-Eyes decks. It's just like a Raigeki. As you said yourself, Blue-Eyes will constantly be appearing, so this card can help a lot more than the other two I suggested to take out can. Also, if Lord of D. is on the field, then Blue-Eyes can still attack...

Oh, BTW, I'm not too sure that trick with the Hex-Sealed Fusion will work......but if you can manage to have people let you do that, then go for it.

Mullet March 31st, 2005 5:49 PM

I still stand by my opinion that you still at least need to try the Spears in the deck, and get some Wabokus, or Threating Roars.

Luis Kazuya April 1st, 2005 1:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dsaerno
I know I post my decks way too often around here, but this is how I get my strategies polished and shined. Again, here is my dragon deck, fixed up and drawn according to the new April banlist.

--Monsters (20)--
Armed Dragon LV3 (x2)
Armed Dragon LV5 (x2)
Armed Dragon LV7
Luster Dragon (x2)
Red-Eyes Black Chick (x2)
Red-Eyes Black Dragon (x2)
Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon
Masked Dragon (x3)
Lord of D. (x2)
Cyber Jar
Dragon Dwelling in the Cave (x2)

--Spells (12)--
Stamping Destruction (x3)
Flute of Summoning Dragon (x2)
Soul Exchange
Mage Power
Swords of Revealing Light
Pot of Greed
Level Up! (x2)
Wicked Breaking Flamberge - Baou

--Traps (8)--
Bottomless Trap Hole (2)
Dust Tornado (2)
Ring of Destruction
Needle Wall
Enchanted Javelin
Call of the Haunted


-Soon, I will be getting the rest of the Horus set so I can replace Armed Dragon with him. If I do, would it be wise to put in another Level Up, because Horus LV4 must destroy a monster in order to grow a level? Or would Mountain suffice?

-When I do get the Horuses, would adding the Element Dragons from the structure deck be a good idea also? With 9 fire monsters, I think I have a good chance of summoning a 2000 ATK guy without tribute.


Thanks in advance for any feedback.

You should keep enchanted javelin out of your deck and maybe use sebek's blessing. enchanted javelin only makes the thing goes same... but sebek's blessing can negate attack plus heal life... or try drain shield.

I don't think you need dragon of cave and red eyes... Try replacing them with horuses.

Try to place dragon majin as the main focus... you try using divine dragon or fusion material dark~

I think armed dragon might be alright.... but too much levelling monsters can slow you down try to use spear dragon or perhaps stronger dragons of levels 4 and below? perhaps sapphire dragon though with no effect.

For traps you need a few more waboku with the trampling trap that allows dragon to go for tramples! Take out needle wall and bottomless to put magical cylinder and mirror force that will help you [email protected]!

For a level deck you do not need LEVEL UP!... it slows ya down and level decks are supposed to be quick~ You do not need flute anymore too so add in cards like snatch and steal

if you heed our advice your deck won't get pawned!

Mullet April 1st, 2005 2:55 PM

Take out Mountian, and Spell Absorption, and add in a Pot of Greed, and Graceful Chairty. Is still don't really like Red Eyes or Blue Eyes, but what ever floats your boat, if your going to play Blue Eyes add in a couple of Flute. Also decide on Blue Eyes or Horus. I prefer Horus out of the two.

Kenny_C.002 April 3rd, 2005 11:22 AM

Spears do have a strong synergy with waboku, so it's a possibility still.

I agree with adding in flutes if you play BEWD, since obviously 2 tributes are practicaly impossible nowadays. Horus I noticed is really fun to play around with (hahaha), so I give big points to it, abide that it costs a heck of a lot...

Dsaerno April 5th, 2005 6:25 PM

Sorry I haven't posted in a while - my computer has been crazy!


I will try to see if I can get my hands on some Spear Dragons to try in the deck.

I'm sure that hex-sealed fusion will work.

I will use that third flute, then. Along with it I'll add a Pot of Greed and -hopefully- a Graceful Charity (If I can get it).

Consider Waboku with Spear, OK.

Burst Stream of Destruction - try to get.

Lose the Soul Absorption, Mountain, and Concealing Swords - got it.

I need to keep all of my Blue-Eyes along with Horus. I made my deck strategy to hold the weight to sucessfully and effeciently summon both.

If at all possible, include all King Draguns (since it doesn't count toward the total cards) that I bump into, with one for sure.


Wow. Thanks to everyone, and thanks again. Keep the advice and deck modifications coming!

EDIT: Good news to you Duel Master's players. When I get all the cards needed for this deck, my Yu-Gi-Oh collection will diminish and will be replaced by Duel Masters! (I'll keep only this deck for Yu-Gi-Oh.)


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