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Famon May 21st, 2016 5:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenchiin (Post 9250603)
In two months two people related to the franchise died.

That's harsh.

I guess God is very angry with the franchise !
Probably because some idiots tried to compare Digimon with actual God.

shadowmoon522 May 21st, 2016 10:55 AM

she also voiced tai's mom & izzy's mom
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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9251270)
I guess God is very angry with the franchise !
Probably because some idiots tried to compare Digimon with actual God.

by that psyducked up logic she could have been smited because of all the comparisons of arceus & god.
she was a pokemon VA more recently then a digimon VA
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/0c/Gena.png/360px-Gena.png
either way, keep that disrespectful "angry god" bs away, as if a cosmic entity would get upset over something so trifling

Famon May 21st, 2016 8:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9251625)
she also voiced tai's mom & izzy's mom

by that psyducked up logic she could have been smited because of all the comparisons of arceus & god.
she was a pokemon VA more recently then a digimon VA
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/0c/Gena.png/360px-Gena.png
either way, keep that disrespectful "angry god" bs away, as if a cosmic entity would get upset over something so trifling

Why do you think Pokemon having hard time ?

shadowmoon522 May 21st, 2016 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9252296)
Why do you think Pokemon having hard time ?

having a hard time? really?
the first 7th gen games: sun & moon are set to be released on nov 18th & has already built up the hype of millions
the anime is in one of the best story arcs in years
20th anniversary year
the revival of https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com/

pokemon is not having a hard time and nintendo & gamefreak are gonna reel in the dough once 7th gen comes.
the only part of pokemon thats having a hard time is shuffle because genius sonority sucks at making freemium games

Famon May 22nd, 2016 12:08 AM

Well , V-jump revealed Meikumon's evolution--

http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_eKxTi7K.jpg

Why they bother covering it ? We already seen Meikuumon evolution.
Honestly , I prefer if Digimon app Monster was a Spin-off of Digimon Tri and has a deep connection with OVA.
Imagine , A New Character appears at the end of Confession who reveal to be the protagonist of App Monster.
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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9252383)
having a hard time? really?
the first 7th gen games: sun & moon are set to be released on nov 18th & has already built up the hype of millions
the anime is in one of the best story arcs in years
20th anniversary year
the revival of https://www.pokemoncenter-online.com/

pokemon is not having a hard time and nintendo & gamefreak are gonna reel in the dough once 7th gen comes.
the only part of pokemon thats having a hard time is shuffle because genius sonority sucks at making freemium games

That only the game.
The Franschise on the otherhand having hard time keeping up with Youkai Watch.
Not to mention , The Movie sales are worst then ever.
Even Coro Coro doesn't bother putting pokemon in Front page anymore.

shadowmoon522 May 22nd, 2016 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9252421)
That only the game.
The Franschise on the otherhand having hard time keeping up with Youkai Watch.
Not to mention , The Movie sales are worst then ever.
Even Coro Coro doesn't bother putting pokemon in Front page anymore.

coro coro has been lying for months now, so its current credibility is untrustworthy
also comparing pokemon to yokai watch in any way is like comparing pokemon to beyblade(tops), bakugan(marbles), medabots(medals with a watch + robots.)
it may have caused a storm in japan, but it won't ever gain what pokemon already has. also its creator, level 5, always makes series like this that gain a strong following, but never one as big as pokemon's.
LBX is an examples of what i mean. like zoids & medabots, it won't ever reach gundam's level(not to mention its just virtua on & custom robo's love child)

its not enough for yokai watch to crush pokemon, especially here in the states. it didn't take long for pokemon fans to swarm it. especially when the foolish comparison to it & pokemon reared its ugly head and was nothing more then it getting a popularity boost by piggy-backing on pokmons popularity. its gonna fade from the front, but keep enough of a following to keep it around.

Astinus May 22nd, 2016 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9252421)
Honestly , I prefer if Digimon app Monster was a Spin-off of Digimon Tri and has a deep connection with OVA.
Imagine , A New Character appears at the end of Confession who reveal to be the protagonist of App Monster.

It's better to keep the different series separate. Having App Monster crossover with the Adventure universe would be way too messy, and the new character would take the attention away from the other Adventure characters.

Plus, the writers should focus more on Meiko and Meikumon and introducing them better than bringing in yet another new character.

shadowmoon522 May 23rd, 2016 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9253346)
It's better to keep the different series separate. Having App Monster crossover with the Adventure universe would be way too messy, and the new character would take the attention away from the other Adventure characters.

Plus, the writers should focus more on Meiko and Meikumon and introducing them better than bringing in yet another new character.

appmonster? isn't that a back up & restore application for droids?
also it should be noted that adventure is already connected with the wonderswan games & the tamers universe and is a big part of the reason ken became the digimon emperor the first time and how/why ryo ended up in the tamers universe. in fact the events of 02 & ken's current state in tri was pretty much kickstarted by millenniummon.

ggctuk May 23rd, 2016 1:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9252421)
Well , V-jump revealed Meikumon's evolution--

http://fdzeta.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/_eKxTi7K.jpg

Why they bother covering it ? We already seen Meikuumon evolution.

Nope, we haven't: while Meicoomon did change a little in appearance (mainly became more menacing), it was still feline in appearance and is most likely still Champion level (think Leomon growing bigger and turning ashen when he was infected with Black Gears). This is humanoid.

I'm more concerned what part Ken Ichijouji will play.

Astinus May 23rd, 2016 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9253868)
appmonster? isn't that a back up & restore application for droids?

I will fully admit that I haven't been following the news about this new part of Digimon because I don't care for it.

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also it should be noted that adventure is already connected with the wonderswan games & the tamers universe and is a big part of the reason ken became the digimon emperor the first time and how/why ryo ended up in the tamers universe. in fact the events of 02 & ken's current state in tri was pretty much kickstarted by millenniummon.
I know the whole backstory of Zero Two. And I will tell you that Ken's backstory was not handled well in the anime because there was no part of the story where Ryo was brought up. Yes, Japanese children knew who Ryo was because of the Wonderswan games, but anyone else in the world didn't know (especially Zero Two's target audience at the time). Ryo and Millenniumon appear in the anime with no explanation.

Then Ryo is brought back for Tamers, which again would make sense to Japanese audiences, but audiences elsewhere are wondering why a character who appeared in one season is now in another. Every other character from the other seasons are just television characters, but Ryo is special with no explanation given in the show itself.

Ryo's whole backstory and connection between seasons is still so unknown by a lot of people. To the point where as recently as six months ago there were Digimon fans that didn't know Ryo in Tamers was the same as Ryo in Zero Two and what his story is.

And that's why I don't want to see yet another part of the Digimon franchise connected to Adventure/Zero Two/tri. Everything is messy enough, and parts of the backstory for Adventure/Zero Two/tri aren't explained well because the writers already have too much to handle. Why bring in some new character into tri from something new and unconnected when there's already several characters in tri that still need to be developed?

ggctuk May 23rd, 2016 2:21 PM

There was a comic released years ago in the UK as part of the official Digimon Magazine here in the UK. It did briefly touch upon who Ryo was.

http://digipedia.db-destiny.net/ryo/ryostory.htm

There were some okay stories in there from what I remember but nothing truly groundbreaking, given it was a magazine simply made to cash in on the popularity of the show at the time. I remember buying the final issue which told the story of how Gatomon Digivolved to Magnadramon.

Hedo May 24th, 2016 11:05 AM

Dang it, I need to watch the old series to prep myself.
It seems like every time I try to start that dang thing, something comes up.

I try though, peeps.

Famon May 24th, 2016 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9253346)
It's better to keep the different series separate. Having App Monster crossover with the Adventure universe would be way too messy, and the new character would take the attention away from the other Adventure characters.

Plus, the writers should focus more on Meiko and Meikumon and introducing them better than bringing in yet another new character.

Don't you think it would other way around ?
I think that Tri series might take all the attention from App-monster.
I believe that most fans would be more interested in Tri series then paying attention to a new series with random new series.
People probably might lose interest on App-monster after story-summary and 1st episode is released.
I don't think People would be interest on App-monster with Tri series going on.
Unless , App-monster has some connection with Tri series.
Maybe , Tri series will be a multiversal and App-monsters is created to fill the gap.


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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9252514)
coro coro has been lying for months now, so its current credibility is untrustworthy
also comparing pokemon to yokai watch in any way is like comparing pokemon to beyblade(tops), bakugan(marbles), medabots(medals with a watch + robots.)
it may have caused a storm in japan, but it won't ever gain what pokemon already has. also its creator, level 5, always makes series like this that gain a strong following, but never one as big as pokemon's.
LBX is an examples of what i mean. like zoids & medabots, it won't ever reach gundam's level(not to mention its just virtua on & custom robo's love child)

its not enough for yokai watch to crush pokemon, especially here in the states. it didn't take long for pokemon fans to swarm it. especially when the foolish comparison to it & pokemon reared its ugly head and was nothing more then it getting a popularity boost by piggy-backing on pokmons popularity. its gonna fade from the front, but keep enough of a following to keep it around.

Just because CoroCoro lose interest in Pokemon news doesn't mean it lied ! Pokemon.com Already release the news they were to release in their Issue.
Also , Bakugun , Beyblade and Metabot didn't reach Youkai Watch's level of popularity.
Medabot pretty much destroyed itself in Thrid Season when they cut of major character like Karin , Koiji and Mr Referee.
There wasn't any point of watching Medabot without Karin.
And Now Pokemon pretty much killing themselves just like Medabot.

shadowmoon522 May 25th, 2016 3:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9256371)
Just because CoroCoro lose interest in Pokemon news doesn't mean it lied ! Pokemon.com Already release the news they were to release in their Issue.

they claimed they would have info & they did not.
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Also , Bakugun , Beyblade and Metabot didn't reach Youkai Watch's level of popularity.
bakugan didn't make it for obvious reasons, by that point it looked like another generic series. still lasted long enough to get 189 episodes.
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Medabot pretty much destroyed itself in Thrid Season when they cut of major character like Karin , Koiji and Mr Referee.
There wasn't any point of watching Medabot without Karin.
that was Production I.G.'s fault, before then medabots was owned by bee train who did a wonderful job with it. Production I.G. normally dose a good job with anime under their hold like pokemon origins, FLCL, xxxHolic blood+, eden of the east, kid icurias thanatos rising, AoT, ect but they clearly didn't know how to handle medabots
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And Now Pokemon pretty much killing themselves just like Medabot.
no, whats killing pokemon's anime is the fact that they won't get rid of ash to the point where their even keeping his age the same. pokemon special/adventure has always been what the anime should have been, keeping the old mcs while adding new ones & having most of the mcs interact with each other within reason. the villains where also handled better in the manga then the anime(or games most of the time due to the limited dialog).
even the powers of pokemon where done more accurately in the manga, like with dialga & palkia


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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9256371)
Don't you think it would other way around ?
I think that Tri series might take all the attention from App-monster.
I believe that most fans would be more interested in Tri series then paying attention to a new series with random new series.
People probably might lose interest on App-monster after story-summary and 1st episode is released.
I don't think People would be interest on App-monster with Tri series going on.
Unless , App-monster has some connection with Tri series.
Maybe , Tri series will be a multiversal and App-monsters is created to fill the gap.

the adventure series already is multiversal as evidenced by ryo's existence in 01,02 tamers, the wonderswan games and the crossovers in Digimon V-Tamer 01 where ryo even mention's 01 tai/taichi while talking to V-Tamer's taichi & diasuke/davis stated that they where similar. not to mention xros wars...
http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/YLmYM4.gif

also, wtf is the appmonster you're referring to?
has this thing been severely upgrade into a game?
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/1ZV4VmN.png

Famon May 25th, 2016 3:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9256570)
they claimed they would have info & they did not.

The info was already reveal though Web-site and nobody gave a crap about Coro Coro afterward.

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no, whats killing pokemon's anime is the fact that they won't get rid of ash to the point where their even keeping his age the same. pokemon special/adventure has always been what the anime should have been, keeping the old mcs while adding new ones & having most of the mcs interact with each other within reason. the villains where also handled better in the manga then the anime(or games most of the time due to the limited dialog).
even the powers of pokemon where done more accurately in the manga, like with dialga & palkia
What will be the point of new protagonist if Anime keep repeating the same Overused plot over and over again ?
Writer need to come up with New quest for Ash after he win a League! A brand new reason for Ash to visit another Region.
Ash isn't the problem , The repetitive story is !
Imagine , A Next series will also be about Ash starting all over with new Pokemon as he goes to collect Gym-badge all over again ! Not to mention , We have to wait 2 year for Ash to get a Keystone or Synchiro-evolve his Starter pokemon while A New "Alain" fight Megevolve pokemon.
Seriously , It make the next series less watchable.
Instate , Why can't we have a series where the Entire Cosmo is in danger and Ash is one of "8 Chosen One" that can save the world ! But the other 7 character has their own philosophy and they are not willing to Work together.
No league , No gym , Just Saving the world.

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the adventure series already is multiversal as evidenced by ryo's existence in 01,02 tamers, the wonderswan games and the crossovers in Digimon V-Tamer 01 where ryo even mention's 01 tai/taichi while talking to V-Tamer's taichi & diasuke/davis stated that they where similar. not to mention xros wars...
http://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/YLmYM4.gif

also, wtf is the appmonster you're referring to?
has this thing been severely upgrade into a game?
http://img.prntscr.com/img?url=http://i.imgur.com/1ZV4VmN.png
Ah NO , Adventure series weren't multiversal .
Ryo story is only count as the Game , It barely exploit in the Anime ! In fact , Ryo story in Anime and Game are so full of Plot-holes that we don't even know how much of that are canon in the anime.
Also Only Hunter series were multiversal , Adventure anime has nothing to do with multiverse.

App-monster is name of the New Digimon Series

saifors May 26th, 2016 10:33 AM

Nearly the entirety of Digimon is one huge multiverse, to giva an example Digimon World Re:Digitize and an Nextorder are one continuity, they're connected through Rina and Mirei's appearance in Cyber Sleuth, thi one is connected to Digimon World Dawn/Dusk through the inclusion of Sayo, Dawn/ Dusk happen in the same world as DS, there's also a conection to the universe of Digimon Next and Savers, Savers is connected to Hunters and Adventure through the crossover episode in Hunters (which is part of the Xros Wars world), as well as the appearance of every main character from every anime season in Digimon Adventure PSP, there's the V-Tamers crossovers as well.

It's pretty much universally agreed in the fandom to be a multiverse, there's no point in arguing against it really.

Astinus May 28th, 2016 5:38 PM



New trailer for Confession dropped. Toei released it, then took it down, but people have already re-uploaded it everywhere.

Translation under the spoiler comes from onkei.

Spoiler:

TAICHI: “If we wait…”
TAICHI: “If we wait to do something ‘someday,’ we’ll end up grown adults before we even know it.”
DIGIMON ADVENTURE TRI, Chapter 3, “Confession”
YAMATO: “If we get more people who can evolve to Ultimate easily, we won’t have to rely on Omegamon anymore… Maybe it’ll be easier on you, too…”
PATAMON: “Hey, Takeru. I’m infected, right?”
NISHIJIMA: “How could you lie to the children like that?!”
HIMEKAWA: “Would it have been better if I had been honest about everything?”
TAICHI: “Because he’s a contrarian.”
MIMI: “Tsundere? Tsundere?!”
YAMATO: “NO. Are we really doing this again?”
KOUSHIRO: “It’s not just the Digital World that’s involved with the infection anymore.”
TAKERU: “I don’t care about whose fault it is, or who’s to blame. I care about what we should do from here. And what we should do is…”
??: “I won’t let you through! I will never let you through!”
HIMEKAWA: “The power of the Crests that you possess.”
SORA: “We and our Digimon partners are special. We’re always connected to each other. No matter what happens.”
MEIKO: “…”
SORA: “That’s what I believe.”
KOUSHIRO: “Taichi-san… Heh. Let’s go.”

shadowmoon522 May 28th, 2016 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by saifors (Post 9258263)
Nearly the entirety of Digimon is one huge multiverse, to giva an example Digimon World Re:Digitize and an Nextorder are one continuity, they're connected through Rina and Mirei's appearance in Cyber Sleuth, thi one is connected to Digimon World Dawn/Dusk through the inclusion of Sayo, Dawn/ Dusk happen in the same world as DS, there's also a conection to the universe of Digimon Next and Savers, Savers is connected to Hunters and Adventure through the crossover episode in Hunters (which is part of the Xros Wars world), as well as the appearance of every main character from every anime season in Digimon Adventure PSP, there's the V-Tamers crossovers as well.

It's pretty much universally agreed in the fandom to be a multiverse, there's no point in arguing against it really.

shhhh ignore him, his comprehension of such things is limited and the logic never get's though.

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9261240)


New trailer for Confession dropped. Toei released it, then took it down, but people have already re-uploaded it everywhere.

Translation under the spoiler comes from onkei.

Spoiler:

TAICHI: “If we wait…”
TAICHI: “If we wait to do something ‘someday,’ we’ll end up grown adults before we even know it.”
DIGIMON ADVENTURE TRI, Chapter 3, “Confession”
YAMATO: “If we get more people who can evolve to Ultimate easily, we won’t have to rely on Omegamon anymore… Maybe it’ll be easier on you, too…”
PATAMON: “Hey, Takeru. I’m infected, right?”
NISHIJIMA: “How could you lie to the children like that?!”
HIMEKAWA: “Would it have been better if I had been honest about everything?”
TAICHI: “Because he’s a contrarian.”
MIMI: “Tsundere? Tsundere?!”
YAMATO: “NO. Are we really doing this again?”
KOUSHIRO: “It’s not just the Digital World that’s involved with the infection anymore.”
TAKERU: “I don’t care about whose fault it is, or who’s to blame. I care about what we should do from here. And what we should do is…”
??: “I won’t let you through! I will never let you through!”
HIMEKAWA: “The power of the Crests that you possess.”
SORA: “We and our Digimon partners are special. We’re always connected to each other. No matter what happens.”
MEIKO: “…”
SORA: “That’s what I believe.”
KOUSHIRO: “Taichi-san… Heh. Let’s go.”

well, looks like things are gonna speed up to a crashing finish.

Astinus June 8th, 2016 1:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9253868)
appmonster? isn't that a back up & restore application for droids?

also, wtf is the appmonster you're referring to?

Well, despite not wanting to believe it, "App Monster" really is part of the title for this new addition to the Digimon franchise.

Digimon Universe: App Monsters (Appmon for short) has had a little more information released about it. The show will start on Tokyo TV in October, and an image of the gogglehead and a few of the Digimon has been revealed.


shadowmoon522 June 8th, 2016 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9277723)
Well, despite not wanting to believe it, "App Monster" really is part of the title for this new addition to the Digimon franchise.

Digimon Universe: App Monsters (Appmon for short) has had a little more information released about it. The show will start on Tokyo TV in October, and an image of the gogglehead and a few of the Digimon has been revealed.


...oooookay then
maybe they'll go & cross future diary/mirai nicki, eden of the east & digimon together with this one...
i mean, they usually don't go making digimon do more then make electronics go on the fritz so i'd be nice if they shake things up

Kenchiin June 8th, 2016 1:56 PM

Digimon App? I see Pokemon GO will have a rival then

Astinus June 29th, 2016 6:59 PM

Digimon Adventure Tri is getting a theatrical release in America.

I was just thinking this the other day while shopping. That if Tri had an English release, I could be buying Takeru Digimon merchandise again.

icomeanon6 June 29th, 2016 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saifors (Post 9258263)
It's pretty much universally agreed in the fandom to be a multiverse, there's no point in arguing against it really.

"Universally" is a strong word. I know I've always considered the connections between Adventure and Tamers (like Ryo and the monster designs) to be more metafictional than multiuniversal, if that makes sense. There's also the matter that a lot of Digimon fans couldn't care less about any canon from Xros Wars or other parts of the franchise they don't like (disclaimer: I can't stand Xros Wars).

As for "App Monsters," like every other entry in the franchise before it I will watch at least the first few episodes and give it a sincere chance, but it's been so long since a new Digimon series made me care about its story and characters that I'm not very optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Astinus
I was just thinking this the other day while shopping. That if Tri had an English release, I could be buying Takeru Digimon merchandise again.

That shows how much more an optimist you are than I am: it hadn't even crossed my mind that Tri might get a dub. It's going to be pretty rad seeing Digimon in a movie theater again! :D (I say that even though "Digimon: The Movie" was an abomination and a huge injustice to Mamoru Hosoda's great work.) I'm guessing that it'll be a much more faithful and direct dub than the Adventure shows/movies got, but they'll probably slip in a few more jokes to make the old dub fans happy.

shadowmoon522 June 29th, 2016 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by icomeanon6 (Post 9302847)
"Universally" is a strong word. I know I've always considered the connections between Adventure and Tamers (like Ryo and the monster designs) to be more metafictional than multiuniversal, if that makes sense. There's also the matter that a lot of Digimon fans couldn't care less about any canon from Xros Wars or other parts of the franchise they don't like (disclaimer: I can't stand Xros Wars).

first, meta-fiction is fiction in which the author self-consciously alludes to the artificiality or literariness of a work by parodying or departing from novelistic conventions (especially naturalism) and traditional narrative techniques.
like the ending to deadpool kills the marvel universe.
ryo might be the player character in the wonder swan games, but he was never the author
second: for ryo's existence to not be multiversal, would mean that 02 & tri are non-canon. the wonderswan games are not only ryo's back story, but ken's as well.
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Ryo’s Story

So some people were saying how they either didn’t know his story or it was too complicated so I am making this post to attempt to fix that problem. A lof of his story is seen in his appearances in the WonderSwan games. I will try to peice these together cronologically as best as I can. His story starts after Digimon Adventure.
1- Digimon Adventure Anode/Canode Tamer
So let me start by saying that Ryo is supposed to be the same age as Tai and the others. He is also said to live very comfortably. Now for Christmas he got a laptop and used it almost obsessively. One day, Dec. 31st if I recall, the power goes out and his mom asks him to check a fuse box. Before he went though a voice from his computer asked him to take a digivice(which was like the DA). He took it and was transported to the digital world.
In the digital world he meets Agumon(Yup, tai’s Agumon) and tells him a terrible digimon, Millenniummon, had captured the Digi-destined and was causing trouble in the digital world. Ryo at first thought it was a dream from playing too many videogames but eventually he realizes it’s true.
After many battles Ryo defeated Millenniumon and saved the digi-destined, he had formed a bond with them and was sad to leave them. When he returned home his parents felt he was more mature.
^Ryo overusing his laptop. Digimon Adventure 02: Tag Tamers
2-Diaboromon.
Ryo witnessed the battle against Diaboromon on the net. This leads to his next appearance, which highlights one of his most important friendships.
3-Digimon Adventure 02: Tag Tamers
The game starts off with Ryo visiting Ken(the one from 02). They were talking about the battle with Diaboromon when al of a sudden a digimon appears. It was V-mon(The one that would become Davis’). He hands Ryo a D3 and tells him there is another Diaboromon and he needs to fight him. Both Ryo and Ken go to the digital world.
Ryo ended up leaving Ken behind in Primary village with Tai, to find Diaboromon alone. He found him at the top of the spire where Devimon used as a base. The Diaboromon was extremely weak, it was defeated by Veemon(without even digivolving). Suddenly Millenniumon showed up saying the Diaboromon was simply bait to get Ryo again. With that he apparently split the digital world in two using the mountain.
The game splits over to Ken who found wormmon in a forest. The game is not clear as to what happened to Tai at this point. It turned out they were in different sides of the digital world. Ryo eventually got to Millenniumon’s floating continet where Millenniumon stated that Ryo could not beat him alone.
While this was going on Ken found a locked door that contained the Digi Egg of Desire, which responded only to Ryo. When the duo saw the egg they were transported to a barren wasteland that apparently was Millennimmon’s heart. They battled Millenniummon inside and the battle destroyed his body. The digital world returned to normal and Tai reappeared.
But then Millenniumon returned to disperse his dark spores to Ryo. Before they could hit him Ken shoved Ryo out of the way and received them himself(That is how he had them in 02). Millenniumon said his power was eternal, like Ryo’s with a maniacal laugh.
There is a scene later that shows Ken becoming increasingly agressive and shows his eventual fall to becoming the Digimon Emperor.
4-Digimon Adventure 02: D-1 Tamers.
*This game is probably the most important one for the DA kids, since here is when he develops his disliking of them.
The game takes off a few days after the last one. It showed Ryo nursing Ken, trying to understand the effects of the spores. Ken then told Ryo about this quiz online for something called the D1 tournament. After almost finishing the quiz he noticed all the questions were some that only he could answer. He was skeptical but finished it anyway.
When he did, the silhouette of one of the Sovereign appeared and took him into the digital world. He was dragged into a tournament set up by one of the Sovereign. He claimed the other three were evil and were going to try to destroy him. He adressed ryo and the other digidestined saying that the strongest one would partner up with him to fight the evil ones.Ryo partnered up with Agumon, Veemon and Wormmon and fought in the tournament.
The tournament was divided into five stages. The first one was headed by Izzy, the second by Willis, the third by Mimi(who said she would ask him on a date when everything was over), the fourth by Matt and the final one by Tai.
Ryo defeated them all and Tai revealed that the entire tournament was a hoax. He did specify that they did not know that originally, but that they all knew he was going to win since this was really training to fight MoonMillenniummon, a bodyless form of his nemesis. All of the digi-destined apologized but Ryo remained silent through the whole thing and did not want to speak to them. He decided he would not allow himself to be fooled like that by anyone else, and he would remain this way throughout his future appearances.
Ryo traveled to MoonMillenniummon’s lair. There he met his nemesis, who explained that he had revived simply to fight Ryo again, that not even the Holy Beasts were strong enough to defeat him. A battle ensued but Ryo was victorious once again. After he was defeated, MoonMillenniummon revealed that he and Ryo were connected like Yin and Yang, that one could not die without the other. He invited Ryo to travel with him through the worlds of time. Ryo apparently accepted and the lair exploded.
Even though there were many searches everybody considered Ryo dead at that point, the only one who never gave up hope was Ken, but he was already on his way to becoming the Digimon Emperor.
5- Digimon Tamers: Brave Tamer
In this final game Ryo realizes that Millenniummon, now in his most powerful form: ZeedMillenniummon, was trying to control the universe by attacking it during different points in times. Ryo meets Monodramon and befriends a computer called ENIAC.
Through many battles it is revealed that both Monodramon and Millenniummon are Ryo’s true partner. Realizing that he could not be defeated, Monodramon forged a Jogress(DNA digivolution) between the two and they formed a digi-egg. This digi-egg would eventually hatch and digivolve to Cyberdramon.
In the end Ryo was given the choice to return to his world(Adventure) or go to a new world(Tamers). Ryo decided to go to the Tamers world and the game concludes there.
6- Digimon Tamers
I don’t really feel I need to cover that lol.
7- Butterfly RP.
This last portion I wil use to discuss some things about Ryo. Since in our plot we are all in the same universe, I can simply cover that up by saying he would go into a different city. Also he remained 14 since he had been in the digital world all that time with Millenniummon. Ryo still has a deep seated hatred for the people who participated in the D 1 tournament but has a strong affection for his new friends from Tamers, especially Rika.
Ryo unfortunately gets the ‘Mary Sure’ card played on him a lot and it makes sense in some ways, but once you have read the story involving him, you would see that his immense experience in Tamers is a result from his experiences many years before.
I would look forward to him working out his issues with the Adventure crew and maybe develop new friendships, even in Tamers he still had the anti social behavior he had established after the tournament.
Ryo also would never use Monodromon’s champion form. He is still afraid that somehow Millenniummon is hiding out in that form so he would never take the risk. Millenniummon is his ultimate fear as well.

-link

icomeanon6 June 30th, 2016 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9302884)
first, meta-fiction is fiction in which the author self-consciously alludes to the artificiality or literariness of a work by parodying or departing from novelistic conventions (especially naturalism) and traditional narrative techniques.
like the ending to deadpool kills the marvel universe.
ryo might be the player character in the wonder swan games, but he was never the author
second: for ryo's existence to not be multiversal, would mean that 02 & tri are non-canon. the wonderswan games are not only ryo's back story, but ken's as well.
-link

I'd call that definition pretty narrow, and I'm not sure what you mean by that Ryo was "never the author," as I never implied he was. What I was getting at was that the world of Digimon Tamers was specifically written to reflect our own world in 2001 where Digimon was a popular card game and TV show - this broke a lot of kids' suspension of disbelief for Adventure, and deliberately so. A lot of Tamers works as a commentary on the disconnect between the Digimon in the some of the games who exist only to fight and the Digimon in Adventure who are thinking, feeling creatures who live for reasons beyond fighting. It calls attention to the cognitive dissonance required to enjoy both the TV show and some of the games, so I'd call it pretty meta.

I would recommend this site for some interesting reading on Digimon Tamers: link. It's a collection of notes from the lead writer of Tamers, Chiaki J. Konaka. Here's what he has to say on Ryo, emphases mine:
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Originally Posted by Chiaki J. Konaka
Even before I had joined the Digimon Tamers team, there was a character that had already been destined to appear in the third season of Digimon. This was Ryo, the main character of the WonderSwan Digimon game.

As Ryo was a very popular character in Japan, the plan was to draw him into the TV series, as well. However, since Digimon Tamers has a very different world view and continuity from the previous Digimon series, it was difficult to figure out how to introduce him.

I let Mr. Motoki Yoshimura handle all of Ryo's character development, as Ms. Genki Yoshimura was the screen writer for Ryo's first episode. Ryo's refreshingly confident personality doesn't exactly contradict the character from the WonderSwan game, but I still feel that it made him uniquely part of the Digimon Tamers world.

I think this makes it pretty clear that Konaka wasn't too concerned with what parts of Adventure/02 and the WonderSwan games were canon or not. That would also explain why Ryo has family in the Tamers world when in game canon he was born in the Adventure world: Konaka didn't care about the inconsistency. And there's nothing wrong with an inconsistent canon or a divided canon as long as the individual shows/games make sense on their own. It doesn't make you a bad fan or anything to choose to ignore parts of the greater Digimon canon if they don't work. After all, Konaka kinda did that, and he's the best writer Digimon ever had.

shadowmoon522 June 30th, 2016 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by icomeanon6 (Post 9304030)
I'd call that definition pretty narrow, and I'm not sure what you mean by that Ryo was "never the author," as I never implied he was. What I was getting at was that the world of Digimon Tamers was specifically written to reflect our own world in 2001 where Digimon was a popular card game and TV show - this broke a lot of kids' suspension of disbelief for Adventure, and deliberately so. A lot of Tamers works as a commentary on the disconnect between the Digimon in the some of the games who exist only to fight and the Digimon in Adventure who are thinking, feeling creatures who live for reasons beyond fighting. It calls attention to the cognitive dissonance required to enjoy both the TV show and some of the games, so I'd call it pretty meta.

I would recommend this site for some interesting reading on Digimon Tamers: link. It's a collection of notes from the lead writer of Tamers, Chiaki J. Konaka. Here's what he has to say on Ryo, emphases mine:

I think this makes it pretty clear that Konaka wasn't too concerned with what parts of Adventure/02 and the WonderSwan games were canon or not. That would also explain why Ryo has family in the Tamers world when in game canon he was born in the Adventure world: Konaka didn't care about the inconsistency. And there's nothing wrong with an inconsistent canon or a divided canon as long as the individual shows/games make sense on their own. It doesn't make you a bad fan or anything to choose to ignore parts of the greater Digimon canon if they don't work. After all, Konaka kinda did that, and he's the best writer Digimon ever had.

now go watch season 6 episode 15 of supernatural, TMNT turtles forever and do a bit more research on the multiple worlds theory cause your clearly not understanding what a multiverse is.

Astinus July 1st, 2016 2:21 PM

The multi-world theory is my favorite theory of quantum physics, and is something that I'm obsessed over. I even thought up multiverse theories to explain differences in the canon of something else that I enjoy.

But I can see where Anon is coming from. Because some authors just don't care about the work in the way that the fans do. The multiuniverse theory can not be the correct answer for every inconsistency in canon. Konaka didn't care about making sure every detail about Ryo was kosher compared to what was written before in Adventure, Zero Two, the Wonderswan games. The fans do, and get downright mean about it, as evidenced by your rude post. But it's better to just let fans follow the bulk of the canon and throw up their hands over the parts of it that just don't make sense.

The multi-world theory doesn't really explain how Ryo had a family in both the Tamers world and in the Adventure world in the terms of the canon worlds. There had to have been a point in time for those two universes to create that fact, and yet there's nothing in anything I've read about Ryo (and I'll admit that I spent way too long researching Ryo to have his story make sense only to decide to cut out his character from the story I'm writing because it doesn't make sense) explains how he has family in the Adventure universe and the Tamers universe.

Except for the quote that Anon posted from Konaka: that Konaka doesn't care about the inconsistency. It's just there. Fans are going to have to accept that there's no explanation for Ryo other than "he's awesome to the Japanese people, let's use him to advertise ****."

This fandom, I swear.

ggctuk August 23rd, 2016 11:47 AM

Nobody keeping up with the news regarding the dub? Well, it seems the human characters are half-new and half-old... and yes, Tai is actually being played by Joshua Seth, who has come out of retirement specifically to reprise the role.

http://www.elevenarts.net/digimon-adventure-tri-chapter-1-reunion/

shadowmoon522 August 23rd, 2016 1:14 PM

i'm glad jeff is back to voicing tentomon.
gatomon new VA who is also voicing, meicoomon...
not sure how that's gonna go. she dose end up voicing acting in a lot of popular stuff as she also voiced toph in books 1 & 3 of LoK, sakura in naruto, CC in code gease, ami/sailor mercury in the sailor moon reboot & the viz media redub, tails in a portion of the sonic games(and tails in the luigi vs tails death battle) lissa in fire emblem awakening , angel in stitch! pepper in ironman rise of technovore and rhyme in the world ends with you. i'm pretty sure she voiced someone in a halo game, someone lucky star.
but outside of a miki from data squad she really hasn't voiced that much for digimon and the 2 cats seem like a weird choice to me.

ggctuk August 23rd, 2016 1:15 PM

Kate Higgins?

Actually there's an interesting thing going on here: you have two Tails VOs in the same space (Colleen took over from Kate Higgins since Sonic Boom)

fenyx4 September 14th, 2016 2:54 PM

Totally stoked for Digimon Adventure tri. English dub theatrical premiere tomorrow of Episode 1/Chapter 1, "Reunion"! Unfortunately, I can't physically be in attendance, although I hope that the event goes well! {:3}

I'm utterly ecstatic that Joshua Seth is returning as Taichi "Tai" Kamiya/Yagami! ^^ Just a mere preview clip and it's like he never left the English voice-acting industry.. {XD}

On the other hand, I'm utterly devastated that Lara Jill Miller wasn't able to return as Hikari "Kari" Kamiya/Yagami; she was one of my main hopes.. ;-; Her voice is so iconic to me; I even recognized it in broadcast airings of Curious George and SciGirls.. {XD} If it's union voice-acting issues, I guess it's understandable, although still quite saddening.. :/

Nevertheless, many thanks to Eleven Arts for at least attempting to get as much as the original cast as possible! I was worried that there would be way more recastings, although the amount of returning cast is astonishing! Even Tai's mother's English voice actress is returning, apparently! If the absences of non-returning voice actors and actresses are due to logistical/legal issues or the voice actor/actress's own choice, then I'll be able to tolerate it.. I'm still wondering how Matt and TK's English voices will be...apparently, Matt's original English voice actor was still willing to return, and TK's English voice actor is still involved in tri's production yet not as TK..? Well, we'll see, I guess; kind of hard to sort all of this out!

On another note, with the "Eating" preview; Kari's new English voice actress, Tara Sands, is adorable; I could actually get used to the voice! :3 It's so weird that she also does the voice for Yu-Gi-Oh Classic's Mokuba Kaiba and Pokemon's Bulbasaur..
Mimi, Sora, and Palmon's voice actresses are still as refreshing as ever! It will be a bit hard to get used to Biyomon and Gatomon's new voices (Kate Higgins/Naruto's English-voice Sakura Haruno is Gatomon?! Cherami Leigh is Biyomon?!) - Biyomon had a nice "avian" quality to her voice and Gatomon had a nice "catty/Southern" quality to her voices, but I figure that the new voices may work out over time..

As for the music, although I'm typically more preferential to the English dub music of Digimon, the Japanese music that was preserved in Tai's preview clip sounds rather simplistic yet so catchy/cool/hype-inducing! I will not mind at all if all of it sounds like that! I'm hoping that Paul Gordon and Kōji Wada can receive some sort of tribute for all of their vital contributions to the Digimon franchise..

As for the tri. English trailer preview music, I read the negative reaction to it and was like "Yup...that's a...that's a theme all right!", a bit unsure of what to think of it! XD I like the "Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn! *insert techno-sounding voice here* Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn!" bit and the instrumental portion has some potential, although other parts of it could be improved a bit. The introductory part has potential, too, I guess..

In any case, LET'S KICK IT UP (.MOV)! ^^

(Colleen O'Shaughnessey/Villard is Ino Yamanaka and Konohamaru from Naruto?!)

ggctuk September 14th, 2016 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 9409586)
Totally stoked for Digimon Adventure tri. English dub theatrical premiere tomorrow of Episode 1/Chapter 1, "Reunion"! Unfortunately, I can't physically be in attendance, although I hope that the event goes well! {:3}

I'm utterly ecstatic that Joshua Seth is returning as Taichi "Tai" Kamiya/Yagami! ^^ Just a mere preview clip and it's like he never left the English voice-acting industry.. {XD}

On the other hand, I'm utterly devastated that Lara Jill Miller wasn't able to return as Hikari "Kari" Kamiya/Yagami; she was one of my main hopes.. ;-; Her voice is so iconic to me; I even recognized it in broadcast airings of Curious George and SciGirls.. {XD} If it's union voice-acting issues, I guess it's understandable, although still quite saddening.. :/

Nevertheless, many thanks to Eleven Arts for at least attempting to get as much as the original cast as possible! I was worried that there would be way more recastings, although the amount of returning cast is astonishing! Even Tai's mother's English voice actress is returning, apparently! If the absences of non-returning voice actors and actresses are due to logistical/legal issues or the voice actor/actress's own choice, then I'll be able to tolerate it.. I'm still wondering how Matt and TK's English voices will be...apparently, Matt's original English voice actor was still willing to return, and TK's English voice actor is still involved in tri's production yet not as TK..? Well, we'll see, I guess; kind of hard to sort all of this out!

As I understand it, Lara Jill Miller wasn't asked to come back. Joshua Seth only came back because he proactively said he would do it. It's cool they got so many of the original VOs back. And I'm assuming Doug Erholtz's voice for TK wasn't what they were looking for, though I don't know why - he did voice adult TK in the 02 prologue. Maybe they were going for something a little like the Japanese version recasting the characvters and decided to just recast half of them as opposed to all of them.

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On another note, with the "Eating" preview; Kari's new English voice actress, Tara Sands, is adorable; I could actually get used to the voice! :3 It's so weird that she also does the voice for Yu-Gi-Oh Classic's Mokuba Kaiba and Pokemon's Bulbasaur..
Mimi, Sora, and Palmon's voice actresses are still as refreshing as ever! It will be a bit hard to get used to Biyomon and Gatomon's new voices (Kate Higgins/Naruto's English-voice Sakura Haruno is Gatomon?! Cherami Leigh is Biyomon?!) - Biyomon had a nice "avian" quality to her voice and Gatomon had a nice "catty/Southern" quality to her voices, but I figure that the new voices may work out over time..
Tara Sands' Kari actually sounds like it could have come from Lara Jill Miler's pre-teen Kari. So they didn't stray too far on that account. Biyomon and Gatomon are a little more distracting - especially seeing as Kate Higgins plays Gatomon similar to how she played Classic Tails in Sonic Generations. I wonder how her Meicoomon voice will come out.

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As for the music, although I'm typically more preferential to the English dub music of Digimon, the Japanese music that was preserved in Tai's preview clip sounds rather simplistic yet so catchy/cool/hype-inducing! I will not mind at all if all of it sounds like that! I'm hoping that Paul Gordon and Kōji Wada can receive some sort of tribute for all of their vital contributions to the Digimon franchise..

As for the tri. English trailer preview music, I read the negative reaction to it and was like "Yup...that's a...that's a theme all right!", a bit unsure of what to think of it! XD I like the "Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn! *insert techno-sounding voice here* Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn!" bit and the instrumental portion has some potential, although other parts of it could be improved a bit. The introductory part has potential, too, I guess..
As I understand it, the movie proper is supposed to have all-new music. They're not actually allowed to use the old theme at all, and that's because of what went down with Saban in the early 2000s: Saban was bought out by Disney, and when Saban Brands re-established themselves towards the end of the decade and repurchased the Saban properties from Disney, this did not, curiously enough, include the old content from the Saban Music Group library. Disney still has those master usage rights. As for publishing rights, BMG, then known as Bug Music, bought those in 2011, IIRC. I'm assuming had Saban had full control over the music library, some sort of deal would have been made to enable the old theme to return (though they'd have had to use recycled lyrics, as Paul Gordon unfortunately did pass away before tri. came over).

Astinus September 15th, 2016 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9410104)
As I understand it, the movie proper is supposed to have all-new music.

I don't know every piece of Digimon music, but I can safely say that the dubbed version of tri kept the original Japanese music. Brave Heart, I Wish!, and a lot of the original Japanese background music played in the dubbed version.

I just came from the movie, and I have to say that it was really surprising how well it was dubbed. A few of the voices took a while to get used to (especially the lack of Doug Erholtz as T.K., because the voice used in the epilogue is permanently in my mind), but it was still great to hear the ones I was used to again.

That's really my only complaint about the movie was the changed voices. Everything else was great. There wasn't the old feel of the dub putting in way too many forced jokes. There was even a few silent moments with no music or talking!

It felt like the cast of the dub realized that the older fans would be watching this, and they targeted it for them. As I said, the Japanese music played in the movie, with Japanese lyrics. There weren't corny jokes. It was pretty much the original tri movie with English voice actors, which made it enjoyable to watch. I could pay attention to Takeru's weird wardrobe choices to more of the visual parts of the movie because I wasn't reading subtitles at the same time.

And I knew that the people watching in the theater were older, more knowledgeable fans. As I was leaving, I walked by a group from the theater, and they were talking about the Wonderswan games. I will say that the theater was not crowded, but it was a good-sized audience for a quiet little anime movie.

After the credits, they played the first five (?) minutes of Confession subtitled.

icomeanon6 September 15th, 2016 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9411137)
I don't know every piece of Digimon music, but I can safely say that the dubbed version of tri kept the original Japanese music. Brave Heart, I Wish!, and a lot of the original Japanese background music played in the dubbed version.

I watched it tonight too, and can confirm this. The only music change was for the opening credits, and once you get past that I completely agree that it's a perfectly competent dub.

Honestly, it's far and away the most respectful Digimon dub I've heard (I haven't seen Digimon Fusion, so I can't speak for that one). It's a great compromise between the American names/terminology and the Japanese tone and direction. In other words, it's mostly a normal dub just like you'd get for any show that came out today as opposed to one that came out in 1999 and was subject to extensive adaptation. Not to be hyperbolic, but this is a dream come true for fans who are nostalgic for the dub but wish it were closer to the sub in hindsight. What they really ought to do is dub the movies Digimon Adventure, Our War Game, and (what the heck) Hurricane Touchdown with the same team as Tri so as to right the wrongs of Digimon: The Movie.

And Joshua Seth. I'm not going to say he's the world's most talented voice actor, but he's just right for Tai and you could really tell how much he cares about the role. So glad he came back. The really funny thing is that his voice is more appropriate for this older Tai than it ever was for Tai in the show, same with the delightful Mona Marshall as Izzy.

Really glad I went. I still think Tri's story isn't terribly interesting, but seeing it like this hit me in the feels just like I suspect it did for the Japanese audience.

shadowmoon522 September 16th, 2016 9:38 AM

i'm gonna have to wait for it to be spread across the internet as i don't have the $$$ to spare on going to a theater and i honestly don't even know where the nearest one is to where i live.
watched the subbed so i'm content for now, and by the end of the month the last movie will most likely be on every anime site

ggctuk September 24th, 2016 2:40 AM

Has anybody caught Confession yet? It was... surprising, saddening, among other things.

Spoiler:
-TK and Kari try to check up on Ken. Matt tries to get answers but gets told that they can't keep track of everybody.
-Patamon gets infected and bites TK.
-Homeostasis, the being that possessed Kari in Season 1, returns, warning that if Meicoomon reappears, then Homeostasis might force a 'reboot' of the Digital World. In effect, this would reset it to its pre-infection state, but the added side-effect is that the Digimon would lose their memories too.
-Agumon is also infected.
-Meicoomon shows up in her form of Meicrackmon, and takes on the Digidestined. Eventually, all the Digimon are infected and turn on one another.
-Izzy creates a 'field' that can restore the Digimon to a pre-infected state via a 'backup' - after he figures out Meicoomon is the source of the infection and has not simply been affected by it.
-Tentomon digivolves into HerculesKabuterimon and manages to briefly snap his comrades out of it, long enough to drag Meicrackmon into the distortion she came from, but too late as the Digital World resets.
-Evil Himekawa smile again.
-Meiko reveals she knew all along that Meicoomon was infected.
-The Digidestined decide to go back to the Digital World one week after the reboot. Himekawa opens a portal using Ken's D3 and D-Terminal (no questions are asked about that).
-They arrive in the Digital World, as it stood on their first adventure. They see Alphamon and Jesmon fighting and make a run for it.
-They come to the area they fought Seadramon in the first season after hearing a whistle - Tokomon is blowing said whistle, and all the other Digimon assemble.
-As feared, the Digimon have forgotten everything. Izzy resolves to start from the beginning in befriending them.
-The Digimon Emperor is not Ken after all. It's a disguise used by... Gennai? And he's in cahoots with Himekawa?
-Turns out the reset wasn't perfect: not only have we got Alphamon, Jesmon and Gennai unaffected by it, but Meicomon has simply reverted back. She remembers Meiko.

To be continued...

Mark Kamill September 24th, 2016 10:16 AM

[GOMENNASAI INTENSIFIES]
They have to stop hammering in the themes of adulthood and maturity so hard, we get it already, growing up fucking sucks. 20 years later, and I am bawling like a child at the thought that the digidestined might really lose their priveleges and the connection to the digimon, once and for all. Like holy shit, I have no feelings for the later parts of the series, but Adventures and Adventures 02 always had that special something, even compared to Pokemon the OS, were the first two season will never be topped and have such a huge place in my childhood, so all this everyone matures and has to grow up talk from a continuation of such a big thing for me all these years later is just too much to handle.
Spoiler:
I am not even going to start talking about the batshit insane reboot plot, that takes balls. And its not even technically a series reboot or a plot reboot, or even a full digital reboot, its likely a huge trap and reset button so that the real villains and their plans can be set in gear without interference from the Dedtined 8. The D-3 groups disappearance is likely the first time they got caught, and the Destined 8 was probably a big WTF moment for them, considering the torch was passed on to the D-3 Team. Man if the plot is gonna involve the Dark Ocean, Daemon, the rescue of the D-3 Team and a proper conclusion to the Digimon Knights, then consider this the best 15 years late sequel in the history of Anime. That fucking Gennai tease at the end, that fucking Gennai....

ggctuk September 24th, 2016 10:20 AM

Don't forget that Toei have said that the ending of 02 is still canon. So we know everything will turn out fine and the 02 kids will get rescued in the end.

Spoiler:
What I'm wondering is whether Izzy's 'backup' program, that served no purpose because it wasn't used as it was supposed to be, might be a way of restoring the Digimons' memories.


Also, poster for "Loss" showcases Hououmon vs Machinedramon:

https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/09/La-cuarta-OVA-de-Digimon-Adventure-tri.-se-estrenara%CC%81-el-25-de-febrero-682x1000.jpg

shadowmoon522 September 26th, 2016 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9424231)
Don't forget that Toei have said that the ending of 02 is still canon. So we know everything will turn out fine and the 02 kids will get rescued in the end.

Spoiler:
What I'm wondering is whether Izzy's 'backup' program, that served no purpose because it wasn't used as it was supposed to be, might be a way of restoring the Digimons' memories.


Also, poster for "Loss" showcases Hououmon vs Machinedramon:

https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/09/La-cuarta-OVA-de-Digimon-Adventure-tri.-se-estrenara%CC%81-el-25-de-febrero-682x1000.jpg

looks like gatomon is no longer the only one of the original 8 digimon with a holy ring.
i doubt thats the original Machinedramon from the big 4 as it & kimeramon fused into millenniummon.

i figured that wasn't ken, but i wonder if thats actually gennai though.
it could be benjamin, jackie, hogan, jose, or illya.

icomeanon6 September 26th, 2016 6:47 PM

I just watched the new one, and I was honestly impressed. It's much more focused than the first two were--it doesn't meander as much and it's starting to tell its own story. That scene with TK and Patamon where
Spoiler:
Patamon goes nuts and tries to eat his arm, and TK hides it from everyone else in the room
was especially good; it had an honest tension that was missing from the first two, and it stirs emotions through what's actually happening in the moment as opposed to just relying on the viewer's nostalgia.

As for where the story is actually going, I'm not going to guess or even speculate. So many shenanigans happening that nothing would really surprise me. I'm just going to wait for the next one and enjoy the ride.

In case there was ever any doubt, the best time to be a Digimon fan is right now. February can't get here soon enough! :)

Lusus September 27th, 2016 4:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9426847)
i doubt thats the original Machinedramon from the big 4 as it & kimeramon fused into millenniummon.

i figured that wasn't ken, but i wonder if thats actually gennai though.
it could be benjamin, jackie, hogan, jose, or illya.

It could be though.

Spoiler:
The entire Digital World got rebooted, so it would make sense if we saw some old villains. Though Alphamon and Jesmon(who is the final evolution of Hackmon so they are probably the same Digimon) fighting and the 8th Digimon all being together (Nyaromon was originally not there) means it is slightly different than before.

Also IMO that's definitely not Gennai. They could easily copy the appearance of Ken, so why not do it with Gennai too? Especially cause the digidestined will trust Gennai if he appears before them, and obviously that would give a lot of advantage to whoever the bad guy is.

And there is def going to be some deus ex machina for restoring the Digimon's memories, cause honestly nothing will be the same otherwise, and having them befriend each other to the point they can reach an entirely new mega form in 4 episodes would be silly. Also Meicoomon still has her memories.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Quilva (Post 9427570)
It could be though.

Spoiler:
The entire Digital World got rebooted, so it would make sense if we saw some old villains. Though Alphamon and Jesmon(who is the final evolution of Hackmon so they are probably the same Digimon) fighting and the 8th Digimon all being together (Nyaromon was originally not there) means it is slightly different than before.

Also IMO that's definitely not Gennai. They could easily copy the appearance of Ken, so why not do it with Gennai too? Especially cause the digidestined will trust Gennai if he appears before them, and obviously that would give a lot of advantage to whoever the bad guy is.

And there is def going to be some deus ex machina for restoring the Digimon's memories, cause honestly nothing will be the same otherwise, and having them befriend each other to the point they can reach an entirely new mega form in 4 episodes would be silly. Also Meicoomon still has her memories.

i don't think their memories where reset but rather sealed.
we don't know what happened after herculeskabuterimon went though the portal and he may very well have pulled off a last sec hurdle into the blue box of data saving.
also, the thing about Nyaromon not originally being there... she was supposed to be there the first time around, but her gennai dropped her digiegg while fleeing from piedmon.
also, all 8 of them where supposed to be waiting for the digidestined as they knew the names and which one they where waiting for back in 01
basically the reboot seems to have rebooting everything back to how it was, but it did not erase the past as it happened
in other words every didgimon & every other little thing got rebooted like a pc would be(only with memory loss), but the the digital world itself did not get dialed back to a different point in time.
this means that okinawa is still part of the digital world or was reverted back into being a swarm of butterflies & blackwargreymon is still in place as a barrier or was split back into 100 control spires & a 100 hairs
this also means those destiny eggs that where shattered might have also gotten restored.
but theres another thing to question:
all of the digidestined except 9 where missing before the reboot, so what happened to them if they where in the digital world at the time of the reboot?
its not like the digital world in adventures turns humans into data like the one in tamers & frontier dose
their presence might be why the reboot didn't reboot everything
there's also something else that bugs me, the digidestined where able to use their crests despite giving them up to put up a firewall in 01.
i can only think is that after the temporary boost back in 02 some of the crest power stayed with the digidestined & grew in power over the 3 years since, eventually surpassing the original crest tags in terms of power & that the digidestined grew past the need to use the tag to pull out their attribute strengths

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 9:36 AM

The crests were supposed to have been given up to give the Digital World a new layer of protection, but after MaloMyotismon's defeat, was that protection by the power of the crests neccesary? After all, Onikawa and BlackWarGreymon added their own selves as layers of protection. It could be that the Harmonious Ones released the power of the Crests back to their originators. Or it could be that their power managed to 'rebuild' itself. After all, not a few months later, Omnimon and Angewomon were battling Diaboromon.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9427833)
The crests were supposed to have been given up to give the Digital World a new layer of protection, but after MaloMyotismon's defeat, was that protection by the power of the crests neccesary? After all, Onikawa and BlackWarGreymon added their own selves as layers of protection. It could be that the Harmonious Ones released the power of the Crests back to their originators. Or it could be that their power managed to 'rebuild' itself. After all, not a few months later, Omnimon and Angewomon were battling Diaboromon.

well, during 02 namely the Christmas special. the fist 8 digidestined(as far as appearance in the anime is concerned) got a temp boost from one of azulongmons digicores. at least it was supposed to be temporary, but it seems to have stuck around and grew.
also those 8 where not actually the original digidestined
gennai mentioned the original 5 at the end of 01, the ones that first defeated & sealed Apocalymon before dark masters even existed. we really need a digiomon adventure 00 to go over them in great detail

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 10:18 AM

I never mentioned them being the original Digidestined, just that the power of the crests 'originated' from them.

As for the cores, their power did not stick around because if you remember they all gave their power to Imperialdramon. The only one afterward to get a new core was Agumon so he could become WarGreymon to take on BlackWarGreymon.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 1:08 PM

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I never mentioned them being the original Digidestined, just that the power of the crests 'originated' from them.

As for the cores, their power did not stick around because if you remember they all gave their power to Imperialdramon. The only one afterward to get a new core was Agumon so he could become WarGreymon to take on BlackWarGreymon.

agumon & gabumon where capable of warp digivolution & gatomon digivolved into angewoman in "revenge of diaboromon" which was 3 months after the defeat of malomotismon
also agumon did not get a digicore boost in "battle of the wargreymon"
i don't think agumon & gabumon's warp digivolution relies on the power of the crests like ultimate dose.
when you think about it, the way agumon & gabumon achieved mega is different then the rest of them as it required tai & matt to get shot with arrows of hope & light. unlike the rest who are getting their megas though their attributes alone.
Then angels will shoot arrows of hope and light at the loved ones of those they've been sent to protect, and a miracle will happen is a good bit different then to look into the darkness in oneself and beyond to find power.
also another thing about tri that's different is that agumon & gabumon are not using warp digivolution to get to mega in tri.
finally i think you didn't understand what i meant. i believe the digicore acted as a kick starter for the crest powers their using now. before that & after giving up the crests in 01 they where unable to tap into their crest power even though it should have been restoring itself within them all that time. kinda like how a vaccine triggers the immune systems resistance, that core must have triggered their powers to reawaken & click into place so the crests & tags where no longer needed as a catalyst

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 1:17 PM

I am aware as to how Revenge of Diaboromon unfolded. The point I was trying to make was that aside from Agumon, they should not have been able to Digivolve like that, at least without explanation. Azulongmond did give Agumon the power to reach WarGreymon before he took on BlackWarGreymon so at last count, Agumon would have been the only one capable of reaching Mega. The cores were given to the Digimon, not the humans, and they all gave that power up to allow Paildramon to Digivolve to Imperialdramon. What I'm getting at is that there is a piece of the puzzle missing. In any case, it has not been explained and there's not much point speculating unless they finish the tri movie series without explaining it.

shadowmoon522 September 28th, 2016 1:47 PM

as you had stated, the crests originated from the digidestined. if they had been fully extracted, all of the digidestined would have lost pieces of who they are.
the power was always there.
not only that, but the teen age years can really mess with peoples perceptions of things like courage, love, hope, friendship, ect.
thats why i think the cores acted like a kick starter for latent ability's that where there growing from the small amount that was left from 01. what agumon & the rest gave up was the power of the digicore, not the crest abilities within the digidestined.
also the holy rings apparently holds a lot of power as without it gatomon became as weak as a rookie & lost the ability to digivolve to angewoman. also, one of the things about them is that the holy the digimon who has it is, the more power said digimon gets from the holy ring.
this was also made somewhat clear when the destiny stone gave tk & patamon enough power to go up to ultimate.
so it dose make since for gatomon to be able to digivolve without the crest

ggctuk January 27th, 2017 5:00 AM

So... did anybody go see the dub version last month? They were supposed to release it on home media not long after but that has been delayed until the end of March. Also, Joshua Seth has been recording for parts 2 and 3 (it seems like both are being done together).

shadowmoon522 January 27th, 2017 8:24 AM

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So... did anybody go see the dub version last month? They were supposed to release it on home media not long after but that has been delayed until the end of March. Also, Joshua Seth has been recording for parts 2 and 3 (it seems like both are being done together).

interesting, makes more sense then when they merged the digimon adventure movie, our war game & hurricane touchdown into digimon: the movie

also, anyone watching the Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters spin off anime? it's been a lot better then expected
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ggctuk January 27th, 2017 8:28 AM

By "done together" I mean they're being recorded at the same time. They'll still be released as separate movies,a s the oiginal movie should have been. But I don't ever expect for them to redub that.

Shout! Factory is distributing the English Language versions, at least in the US (I would assume that might have played into the delay of the release of the first one on DVD/Blu-Ray)

The synopsis for part 4 came out a while ago:

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The DigiDestined begin to forge new connections with their Digimon who had lost their memories since the reboot, except for Sora, as Biyomon is wary for not remembering about her at all. Tai and Matt want to help her, but cannot find the words to. Upon seeing Meicoomon who still retains her memories of Meiko, the DigiDestined journey through the Digital World after her, but a mysterious man with the revived Dark Masters at his command stands in their way. Meanwhile in the real world, Nishijima receives a notice that Himekawa has disappeared and discovers that there is a hidden goal behind her actions.

shadowmoon522 January 27th, 2017 8:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9557991)
By "done together" I mean they're being recorded at the same time. They'll still be released as separate movies,a s the oiginal movie should have been. But I don't ever expect for them to redub that.

Shout! Factory is distributing the English Language versions, at least in the US (I would assume that might have played into the delay of the release of the first one on DVD/Blu-Ray)

The synopsis for part 4 came out a while ago:

the dark masters again? next thing you know millenniummon & etemon are gonna show up again.
though i guess it would be interesting to see etemon becoming kingetemon. it is the only form above metaletemon in that line
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/digimon/images/e/e9/KingEtemon_b.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091106042428

donavannj January 27th, 2017 7:37 PM

So, uh, guys, this thread has been dead for a while (was last posted in back in September before you guys revived it).

If you want to discuss Digimon, would you please make a new thread for it in the Anime & Manga section? Thanks!

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