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shadowmoon522 June 30th, 2016 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by icomeanon6 (Post 9304030)
I'd call that definition pretty narrow, and I'm not sure what you mean by that Ryo was "never the author," as I never implied he was. What I was getting at was that the world of Digimon Tamers was specifically written to reflect our own world in 2001 where Digimon was a popular card game and TV show - this broke a lot of kids' suspension of disbelief for Adventure, and deliberately so. A lot of Tamers works as a commentary on the disconnect between the Digimon in the some of the games who exist only to fight and the Digimon in Adventure who are thinking, feeling creatures who live for reasons beyond fighting. It calls attention to the cognitive dissonance required to enjoy both the TV show and some of the games, so I'd call it pretty meta.

I would recommend this site for some interesting reading on Digimon Tamers: link. It's a collection of notes from the lead writer of Tamers, Chiaki J. Konaka. Here's what he has to say on Ryo, emphases mine:

I think this makes it pretty clear that Konaka wasn't too concerned with what parts of Adventure/02 and the WonderSwan games were canon or not. That would also explain why Ryo has family in the Tamers world when in game canon he was born in the Adventure world: Konaka didn't care about the inconsistency. And there's nothing wrong with an inconsistent canon or a divided canon as long as the individual shows/games make sense on their own. It doesn't make you a bad fan or anything to choose to ignore parts of the greater Digimon canon if they don't work. After all, Konaka kinda did that, and he's the best writer Digimon ever had.

now go watch season 6 episode 15 of supernatural, TMNT turtles forever and do a bit more research on the multiple worlds theory cause your clearly not understanding what a multiverse is.

Astinus July 1st, 2016 2:21 PM

The multi-world theory is my favorite theory of quantum physics, and is something that I'm obsessed over. I even thought up multiverse theories to explain differences in the canon of something else that I enjoy.

But I can see where Anon is coming from. Because some authors just don't care about the work in the way that the fans do. The multiuniverse theory can not be the correct answer for every inconsistency in canon. Konaka didn't care about making sure every detail about Ryo was kosher compared to what was written before in Adventure, Zero Two, the Wonderswan games. The fans do, and get downright mean about it, as evidenced by your rude post. But it's better to just let fans follow the bulk of the canon and throw up their hands over the parts of it that just don't make sense.

The multi-world theory doesn't really explain how Ryo had a family in both the Tamers world and in the Adventure world in the terms of the canon worlds. There had to have been a point in time for those two universes to create that fact, and yet there's nothing in anything I've read about Ryo (and I'll admit that I spent way too long researching Ryo to have his story make sense only to decide to cut out his character from the story I'm writing because it doesn't make sense) explains how he has family in the Adventure universe and the Tamers universe.

Except for the quote that Anon posted from Konaka: that Konaka doesn't care about the inconsistency. It's just there. Fans are going to have to accept that there's no explanation for Ryo other than "he's awesome to the Japanese people, let's use him to advertise ****."

This fandom, I swear.

ggctuk August 23rd, 2016 11:47 AM

Nobody keeping up with the news regarding the dub? Well, it seems the human characters are half-new and half-old... and yes, Tai is actually being played by Joshua Seth, who has come out of retirement specifically to reprise the role.

http://www.elevenarts.net/digimon-adventure-tri-chapter-1-reunion/

shadowmoon522 August 23rd, 2016 1:14 PM

i'm glad jeff is back to voicing tentomon.
gatomon new VA who is also voicing, meicoomon...
not sure how that's gonna go. she dose end up voicing acting in a lot of popular stuff as she also voiced toph in books 1 & 3 of LoK, sakura in naruto, CC in code gease, ami/sailor mercury in the sailor moon reboot & the viz media redub, tails in a portion of the sonic games(and tails in the luigi vs tails death battle) lissa in fire emblem awakening , angel in stitch! pepper in ironman rise of technovore and rhyme in the world ends with you. i'm pretty sure she voiced someone in a halo game, someone lucky star.
but outside of a miki from data squad she really hasn't voiced that much for digimon and the 2 cats seem like a weird choice to me.

ggctuk August 23rd, 2016 1:15 PM

Kate Higgins?

Actually there's an interesting thing going on here: you have two Tails VOs in the same space (Colleen took over from Kate Higgins since Sonic Boom)

fenyx4 September 14th, 2016 2:54 PM

Totally stoked for Digimon Adventure tri. English dub theatrical premiere tomorrow of Episode 1/Chapter 1, "Reunion"! Unfortunately, I can't physically be in attendance, although I hope that the event goes well! {:3}

I'm utterly ecstatic that Joshua Seth is returning as Taichi "Tai" Kamiya/Yagami! ^^ Just a mere preview clip and it's like he never left the English voice-acting industry.. {XD}

On the other hand, I'm utterly devastated that Lara Jill Miller wasn't able to return as Hikari "Kari" Kamiya/Yagami; she was one of my main hopes.. ;-; Her voice is so iconic to me; I even recognized it in broadcast airings of Curious George and SciGirls.. {XD} If it's union voice-acting issues, I guess it's understandable, although still quite saddening.. :/

Nevertheless, many thanks to Eleven Arts for at least attempting to get as much as the original cast as possible! I was worried that there would be way more recastings, although the amount of returning cast is astonishing! Even Tai's mother's English voice actress is returning, apparently! If the absences of non-returning voice actors and actresses are due to logistical/legal issues or the voice actor/actress's own choice, then I'll be able to tolerate it.. I'm still wondering how Matt and TK's English voices will be...apparently, Matt's original English voice actor was still willing to return, and TK's English voice actor is still involved in tri's production yet not as TK..? Well, we'll see, I guess; kind of hard to sort all of this out!

On another note, with the "Eating" preview; Kari's new English voice actress, Tara Sands, is adorable; I could actually get used to the voice! :3 It's so weird that she also does the voice for Yu-Gi-Oh Classic's Mokuba Kaiba and Pokemon's Bulbasaur..
Mimi, Sora, and Palmon's voice actresses are still as refreshing as ever! It will be a bit hard to get used to Biyomon and Gatomon's new voices (Kate Higgins/Naruto's English-voice Sakura Haruno is Gatomon?! Cherami Leigh is Biyomon?!) - Biyomon had a nice "avian" quality to her voice and Gatomon had a nice "catty/Southern" quality to her voices, but I figure that the new voices may work out over time..

As for the music, although I'm typically more preferential to the English dub music of Digimon, the Japanese music that was preserved in Tai's preview clip sounds rather simplistic yet so catchy/cool/hype-inducing! I will not mind at all if all of it sounds like that! I'm hoping that Paul Gordon and Kōji Wada can receive some sort of tribute for all of their vital contributions to the Digimon franchise..

As for the tri. English trailer preview music, I read the negative reaction to it and was like "Yup...that's a...that's a theme all right!", a bit unsure of what to think of it! XD I like the "Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn! *insert techno-sounding voice here* Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn!" bit and the instrumental portion has some potential, although other parts of it could be improved a bit. The introductory part has potential, too, I guess..

In any case, LET'S KICK IT UP (.MOV)! ^^

(Colleen O'Shaughnessey/Villard is Ino Yamanaka and Konohamaru from Naruto?!)

ggctuk September 14th, 2016 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 9409586)
Totally stoked for Digimon Adventure tri. English dub theatrical premiere tomorrow of Episode 1/Chapter 1, "Reunion"! Unfortunately, I can't physically be in attendance, although I hope that the event goes well! {:3}

I'm utterly ecstatic that Joshua Seth is returning as Taichi "Tai" Kamiya/Yagami! ^^ Just a mere preview clip and it's like he never left the English voice-acting industry.. {XD}

On the other hand, I'm utterly devastated that Lara Jill Miller wasn't able to return as Hikari "Kari" Kamiya/Yagami; she was one of my main hopes.. ;-; Her voice is so iconic to me; I even recognized it in broadcast airings of Curious George and SciGirls.. {XD} If it's union voice-acting issues, I guess it's understandable, although still quite saddening.. :/

Nevertheless, many thanks to Eleven Arts for at least attempting to get as much as the original cast as possible! I was worried that there would be way more recastings, although the amount of returning cast is astonishing! Even Tai's mother's English voice actress is returning, apparently! If the absences of non-returning voice actors and actresses are due to logistical/legal issues or the voice actor/actress's own choice, then I'll be able to tolerate it.. I'm still wondering how Matt and TK's English voices will be...apparently, Matt's original English voice actor was still willing to return, and TK's English voice actor is still involved in tri's production yet not as TK..? Well, we'll see, I guess; kind of hard to sort all of this out!

As I understand it, Lara Jill Miller wasn't asked to come back. Joshua Seth only came back because he proactively said he would do it. It's cool they got so many of the original VOs back. And I'm assuming Doug Erholtz's voice for TK wasn't what they were looking for, though I don't know why - he did voice adult TK in the 02 prologue. Maybe they were going for something a little like the Japanese version recasting the characvters and decided to just recast half of them as opposed to all of them.

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On another note, with the "Eating" preview; Kari's new English voice actress, Tara Sands, is adorable; I could actually get used to the voice! :3 It's so weird that she also does the voice for Yu-Gi-Oh Classic's Mokuba Kaiba and Pokemon's Bulbasaur..
Mimi, Sora, and Palmon's voice actresses are still as refreshing as ever! It will be a bit hard to get used to Biyomon and Gatomon's new voices (Kate Higgins/Naruto's English-voice Sakura Haruno is Gatomon?! Cherami Leigh is Biyomon?!) - Biyomon had a nice "avian" quality to her voice and Gatomon had a nice "catty/Southern" quality to her voices, but I figure that the new voices may work out over time..
Tara Sands' Kari actually sounds like it could have come from Lara Jill Miler's pre-teen Kari. So they didn't stray too far on that account. Biyomon and Gatomon are a little more distracting - especially seeing as Kate Higgins plays Gatomon similar to how she played Classic Tails in Sonic Generations. I wonder how her Meicoomon voice will come out.

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As for the music, although I'm typically more preferential to the English dub music of Digimon, the Japanese music that was preserved in Tai's preview clip sounds rather simplistic yet so catchy/cool/hype-inducing! I will not mind at all if all of it sounds like that! I'm hoping that Paul Gordon and Kōji Wada can receive some sort of tribute for all of their vital contributions to the Digimon franchise..

As for the tri. English trailer preview music, I read the negative reaction to it and was like "Yup...that's a...that's a theme all right!", a bit unsure of what to think of it! XD I like the "Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn! *insert techno-sounding voice here* Digimon, Digital Monsters, Digi-monn!" bit and the instrumental portion has some potential, although other parts of it could be improved a bit. The introductory part has potential, too, I guess..
As I understand it, the movie proper is supposed to have all-new music. They're not actually allowed to use the old theme at all, and that's because of what went down with Saban in the early 2000s: Saban was bought out by Disney, and when Saban Brands re-established themselves towards the end of the decade and repurchased the Saban properties from Disney, this did not, curiously enough, include the old content from the Saban Music Group library. Disney still has those master usage rights. As for publishing rights, BMG, then known as Bug Music, bought those in 2011, IIRC. I'm assuming had Saban had full control over the music library, some sort of deal would have been made to enable the old theme to return (though they'd have had to use recycled lyrics, as Paul Gordon unfortunately did pass away before tri. came over).

Astinus September 15th, 2016 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9410104)
As I understand it, the movie proper is supposed to have all-new music.

I don't know every piece of Digimon music, but I can safely say that the dubbed version of tri kept the original Japanese music. Brave Heart, I Wish!, and a lot of the original Japanese background music played in the dubbed version.

I just came from the movie, and I have to say that it was really surprising how well it was dubbed. A few of the voices took a while to get used to (especially the lack of Doug Erholtz as T.K., because the voice used in the epilogue is permanently in my mind), but it was still great to hear the ones I was used to again.

That's really my only complaint about the movie was the changed voices. Everything else was great. There wasn't the old feel of the dub putting in way too many forced jokes. There was even a few silent moments with no music or talking!

It felt like the cast of the dub realized that the older fans would be watching this, and they targeted it for them. As I said, the Japanese music played in the movie, with Japanese lyrics. There weren't corny jokes. It was pretty much the original tri movie with English voice actors, which made it enjoyable to watch. I could pay attention to Takeru's weird wardrobe choices to more of the visual parts of the movie because I wasn't reading subtitles at the same time.

And I knew that the people watching in the theater were older, more knowledgeable fans. As I was leaving, I walked by a group from the theater, and they were talking about the Wonderswan games. I will say that the theater was not crowded, but it was a good-sized audience for a quiet little anime movie.

After the credits, they played the first five (?) minutes of Confession subtitled.

icomeanon6 September 15th, 2016 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 9411137)
I don't know every piece of Digimon music, but I can safely say that the dubbed version of tri kept the original Japanese music. Brave Heart, I Wish!, and a lot of the original Japanese background music played in the dubbed version.

I watched it tonight too, and can confirm this. The only music change was for the opening credits, and once you get past that I completely agree that it's a perfectly competent dub.

Honestly, it's far and away the most respectful Digimon dub I've heard (I haven't seen Digimon Fusion, so I can't speak for that one). It's a great compromise between the American names/terminology and the Japanese tone and direction. In other words, it's mostly a normal dub just like you'd get for any show that came out today as opposed to one that came out in 1999 and was subject to extensive adaptation. Not to be hyperbolic, but this is a dream come true for fans who are nostalgic for the dub but wish it were closer to the sub in hindsight. What they really ought to do is dub the movies Digimon Adventure, Our War Game, and (what the heck) Hurricane Touchdown with the same team as Tri so as to right the wrongs of Digimon: The Movie.

And Joshua Seth. I'm not going to say he's the world's most talented voice actor, but he's just right for Tai and you could really tell how much he cares about the role. So glad he came back. The really funny thing is that his voice is more appropriate for this older Tai than it ever was for Tai in the show, same with the delightful Mona Marshall as Izzy.

Really glad I went. I still think Tri's story isn't terribly interesting, but seeing it like this hit me in the feels just like I suspect it did for the Japanese audience.

shadowmoon522 September 16th, 2016 9:38 AM

i'm gonna have to wait for it to be spread across the internet as i don't have the $$$ to spare on going to a theater and i honestly don't even know where the nearest one is to where i live.
watched the subbed so i'm content for now, and by the end of the month the last movie will most likely be on every anime site

ggctuk September 24th, 2016 2:40 AM

Has anybody caught Confession yet? It was... surprising, saddening, among other things.

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-TK and Kari try to check up on Ken. Matt tries to get answers but gets told that they can't keep track of everybody.
-Patamon gets infected and bites TK.
-Homeostasis, the being that possessed Kari in Season 1, returns, warning that if Meicoomon reappears, then Homeostasis might force a 'reboot' of the Digital World. In effect, this would reset it to its pre-infection state, but the added side-effect is that the Digimon would lose their memories too.
-Agumon is also infected.
-Meicoomon shows up in her form of Meicrackmon, and takes on the Digidestined. Eventually, all the Digimon are infected and turn on one another.
-Izzy creates a 'field' that can restore the Digimon to a pre-infected state via a 'backup' - after he figures out Meicoomon is the source of the infection and has not simply been affected by it.
-Tentomon digivolves into HerculesKabuterimon and manages to briefly snap his comrades out of it, long enough to drag Meicrackmon into the distortion she came from, but too late as the Digital World resets.
-Evil Himekawa smile again.
-Meiko reveals she knew all along that Meicoomon was infected.
-The Digidestined decide to go back to the Digital World one week after the reboot. Himekawa opens a portal using Ken's D3 and D-Terminal (no questions are asked about that).
-They arrive in the Digital World, as it stood on their first adventure. They see Alphamon and Jesmon fighting and make a run for it.
-They come to the area they fought Seadramon in the first season after hearing a whistle - Tokomon is blowing said whistle, and all the other Digimon assemble.
-As feared, the Digimon have forgotten everything. Izzy resolves to start from the beginning in befriending them.
-The Digimon Emperor is not Ken after all. It's a disguise used by... Gennai? And he's in cahoots with Himekawa?
-Turns out the reset wasn't perfect: not only have we got Alphamon, Jesmon and Gennai unaffected by it, but Meicomon has simply reverted back. She remembers Meiko.

To be continued...

Mark Kamill September 24th, 2016 10:16 AM

[GOMENNASAI INTENSIFIES]
They have to stop hammering in the themes of adulthood and maturity so hard, we get it already, growing up fucking sucks. 20 years later, and I am bawling like a child at the thought that the digidestined might really lose their priveleges and the connection to the digimon, once and for all. Like holy shit, I have no feelings for the later parts of the series, but Adventures and Adventures 02 always had that special something, even compared to Pokemon the OS, were the first two season will never be topped and have such a huge place in my childhood, so all this everyone matures and has to grow up talk from a continuation of such a big thing for me all these years later is just too much to handle.
Spoiler:
I am not even going to start talking about the batshit insane reboot plot, that takes balls. And its not even technically a series reboot or a plot reboot, or even a full digital reboot, its likely a huge trap and reset button so that the real villains and their plans can be set in gear without interference from the Dedtined 8. The D-3 groups disappearance is likely the first time they got caught, and the Destined 8 was probably a big WTF moment for them, considering the torch was passed on to the D-3 Team. Man if the plot is gonna involve the Dark Ocean, Daemon, the rescue of the D-3 Team and a proper conclusion to the Digimon Knights, then consider this the best 15 years late sequel in the history of Anime. That fucking Gennai tease at the end, that fucking Gennai....

ggctuk September 24th, 2016 10:20 AM

Don't forget that Toei have said that the ending of 02 is still canon. So we know everything will turn out fine and the 02 kids will get rescued in the end.

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What I'm wondering is whether Izzy's 'backup' program, that served no purpose because it wasn't used as it was supposed to be, might be a way of restoring the Digimons' memories.


Also, poster for "Loss" showcases Hououmon vs Machinedramon:

https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/09/La-cuarta-OVA-de-Digimon-Adventure-tri.-se-estrenara%CC%81-el-25-de-febrero-682x1000.jpg

shadowmoon522 September 26th, 2016 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9424231)
Don't forget that Toei have said that the ending of 02 is still canon. So we know everything will turn out fine and the 02 kids will get rescued in the end.

Spoiler:
What I'm wondering is whether Izzy's 'backup' program, that served no purpose because it wasn't used as it was supposed to be, might be a way of restoring the Digimons' memories.


Also, poster for "Loss" showcases Hououmon vs Machinedramon:

https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/09/La-cuarta-OVA-de-Digimon-Adventure-tri.-se-estrenara%CC%81-el-25-de-febrero-682x1000.jpg

looks like gatomon is no longer the only one of the original 8 digimon with a holy ring.
i doubt thats the original Machinedramon from the big 4 as it & kimeramon fused into millenniummon.

i figured that wasn't ken, but i wonder if thats actually gennai though.
it could be benjamin, jackie, hogan, jose, or illya.

icomeanon6 September 26th, 2016 6:47 PM

I just watched the new one, and I was honestly impressed. It's much more focused than the first two were--it doesn't meander as much and it's starting to tell its own story. That scene with TK and Patamon where
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Patamon goes nuts and tries to eat his arm, and TK hides it from everyone else in the room
was especially good; it had an honest tension that was missing from the first two, and it stirs emotions through what's actually happening in the moment as opposed to just relying on the viewer's nostalgia.

As for where the story is actually going, I'm not going to guess or even speculate. So many shenanigans happening that nothing would really surprise me. I'm just going to wait for the next one and enjoy the ride.

In case there was ever any doubt, the best time to be a Digimon fan is right now. February can't get here soon enough! :)

Lusus September 27th, 2016 4:41 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9426847)
i doubt thats the original Machinedramon from the big 4 as it & kimeramon fused into millenniummon.

i figured that wasn't ken, but i wonder if thats actually gennai though.
it could be benjamin, jackie, hogan, jose, or illya.

It could be though.

Spoiler:
The entire Digital World got rebooted, so it would make sense if we saw some old villains. Though Alphamon and Jesmon(who is the final evolution of Hackmon so they are probably the same Digimon) fighting and the 8th Digimon all being together (Nyaromon was originally not there) means it is slightly different than before.

Also IMO that's definitely not Gennai. They could easily copy the appearance of Ken, so why not do it with Gennai too? Especially cause the digidestined will trust Gennai if he appears before them, and obviously that would give a lot of advantage to whoever the bad guy is.

And there is def going to be some deus ex machina for restoring the Digimon's memories, cause honestly nothing will be the same otherwise, and having them befriend each other to the point they can reach an entirely new mega form in 4 episodes would be silly. Also Meicoomon still has her memories.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Quilva (Post 9427570)
It could be though.

Spoiler:
The entire Digital World got rebooted, so it would make sense if we saw some old villains. Though Alphamon and Jesmon(who is the final evolution of Hackmon so they are probably the same Digimon) fighting and the 8th Digimon all being together (Nyaromon was originally not there) means it is slightly different than before.

Also IMO that's definitely not Gennai. They could easily copy the appearance of Ken, so why not do it with Gennai too? Especially cause the digidestined will trust Gennai if he appears before them, and obviously that would give a lot of advantage to whoever the bad guy is.

And there is def going to be some deus ex machina for restoring the Digimon's memories, cause honestly nothing will be the same otherwise, and having them befriend each other to the point they can reach an entirely new mega form in 4 episodes would be silly. Also Meicoomon still has her memories.

i don't think their memories where reset but rather sealed.
we don't know what happened after herculeskabuterimon went though the portal and he may very well have pulled off a last sec hurdle into the blue box of data saving.
also, the thing about Nyaromon not originally being there... she was supposed to be there the first time around, but her gennai dropped her digiegg while fleeing from piedmon.
also, all 8 of them where supposed to be waiting for the digidestined as they knew the names and which one they where waiting for back in 01
basically the reboot seems to have rebooting everything back to how it was, but it did not erase the past as it happened
in other words every didgimon & every other little thing got rebooted like a pc would be(only with memory loss), but the the digital world itself did not get dialed back to a different point in time.
this means that okinawa is still part of the digital world or was reverted back into being a swarm of butterflies & blackwargreymon is still in place as a barrier or was split back into 100 control spires & a 100 hairs
this also means those destiny eggs that where shattered might have also gotten restored.
but theres another thing to question:
all of the digidestined except 9 where missing before the reboot, so what happened to them if they where in the digital world at the time of the reboot?
its not like the digital world in adventures turns humans into data like the one in tamers & frontier dose
their presence might be why the reboot didn't reboot everything
there's also something else that bugs me, the digidestined where able to use their crests despite giving them up to put up a firewall in 01.
i can only think is that after the temporary boost back in 02 some of the crest power stayed with the digidestined & grew in power over the 3 years since, eventually surpassing the original crest tags in terms of power & that the digidestined grew past the need to use the tag to pull out their attribute strengths

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 9:36 AM

The crests were supposed to have been given up to give the Digital World a new layer of protection, but after MaloMyotismon's defeat, was that protection by the power of the crests neccesary? After all, Onikawa and BlackWarGreymon added their own selves as layers of protection. It could be that the Harmonious Ones released the power of the Crests back to their originators. Or it could be that their power managed to 'rebuild' itself. After all, not a few months later, Omnimon and Angewomon were battling Diaboromon.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9427833)
The crests were supposed to have been given up to give the Digital World a new layer of protection, but after MaloMyotismon's defeat, was that protection by the power of the crests neccesary? After all, Onikawa and BlackWarGreymon added their own selves as layers of protection. It could be that the Harmonious Ones released the power of the Crests back to their originators. Or it could be that their power managed to 'rebuild' itself. After all, not a few months later, Omnimon and Angewomon were battling Diaboromon.

well, during 02 namely the Christmas special. the fist 8 digidestined(as far as appearance in the anime is concerned) got a temp boost from one of azulongmons digicores. at least it was supposed to be temporary, but it seems to have stuck around and grew.
also those 8 where not actually the original digidestined
gennai mentioned the original 5 at the end of 01, the ones that first defeated & sealed Apocalymon before dark masters even existed. we really need a digiomon adventure 00 to go over them in great detail

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 10:18 AM

I never mentioned them being the original Digidestined, just that the power of the crests 'originated' from them.

As for the cores, their power did not stick around because if you remember they all gave their power to Imperialdramon. The only one afterward to get a new core was Agumon so he could become WarGreymon to take on BlackWarGreymon.

shadowmoon522 September 27th, 2016 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9427874)
I never mentioned them being the original Digidestined, just that the power of the crests 'originated' from them.

As for the cores, their power did not stick around because if you remember they all gave their power to Imperialdramon. The only one afterward to get a new core was Agumon so he could become WarGreymon to take on BlackWarGreymon.

agumon & gabumon where capable of warp digivolution & gatomon digivolved into angewoman in "revenge of diaboromon" which was 3 months after the defeat of malomotismon
also agumon did not get a digicore boost in "battle of the wargreymon"
i don't think agumon & gabumon's warp digivolution relies on the power of the crests like ultimate dose.
when you think about it, the way agumon & gabumon achieved mega is different then the rest of them as it required tai & matt to get shot with arrows of hope & light. unlike the rest who are getting their megas though their attributes alone.
Then angels will shoot arrows of hope and light at the loved ones of those they've been sent to protect, and a miracle will happen is a good bit different then to look into the darkness in oneself and beyond to find power.
also another thing about tri that's different is that agumon & gabumon are not using warp digivolution to get to mega in tri.
finally i think you didn't understand what i meant. i believe the digicore acted as a kick starter for the crest powers their using now. before that & after giving up the crests in 01 they where unable to tap into their crest power even though it should have been restoring itself within them all that time. kinda like how a vaccine triggers the immune systems resistance, that core must have triggered their powers to reawaken & click into place so the crests & tags where no longer needed as a catalyst

ggctuk September 27th, 2016 1:17 PM

I am aware as to how Revenge of Diaboromon unfolded. The point I was trying to make was that aside from Agumon, they should not have been able to Digivolve like that, at least without explanation. Azulongmond did give Agumon the power to reach WarGreymon before he took on BlackWarGreymon so at last count, Agumon would have been the only one capable of reaching Mega. The cores were given to the Digimon, not the humans, and they all gave that power up to allow Paildramon to Digivolve to Imperialdramon. What I'm getting at is that there is a piece of the puzzle missing. In any case, it has not been explained and there's not much point speculating unless they finish the tri movie series without explaining it.

shadowmoon522 September 28th, 2016 1:47 PM

as you had stated, the crests originated from the digidestined. if they had been fully extracted, all of the digidestined would have lost pieces of who they are.
the power was always there.
not only that, but the teen age years can really mess with peoples perceptions of things like courage, love, hope, friendship, ect.
thats why i think the cores acted like a kick starter for latent ability's that where there growing from the small amount that was left from 01. what agumon & the rest gave up was the power of the digicore, not the crest abilities within the digidestined.
also the holy rings apparently holds a lot of power as without it gatomon became as weak as a rookie & lost the ability to digivolve to angewoman. also, one of the things about them is that the holy the digimon who has it is, the more power said digimon gets from the holy ring.
this was also made somewhat clear when the destiny stone gave tk & patamon enough power to go up to ultimate.
so it dose make since for gatomon to be able to digivolve without the crest

ggctuk January 27th, 2017 5:00 AM

So... did anybody go see the dub version last month? They were supposed to release it on home media not long after but that has been delayed until the end of March. Also, Joshua Seth has been recording for parts 2 and 3 (it seems like both are being done together).

shadowmoon522 January 27th, 2017 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 9557866)
So... did anybody go see the dub version last month? They were supposed to release it on home media not long after but that has been delayed until the end of March. Also, Joshua Seth has been recording for parts 2 and 3 (it seems like both are being done together).

interesting, makes more sense then when they merged the digimon adventure movie, our war game & hurricane touchdown into digimon: the movie

also, anyone watching the Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters spin off anime? it's been a lot better then expected
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