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She_Delphox October 18th, 2014 2:54 AM

ORAS: (Hoenn) Friend Safari?
 
So, as you all know, the release date for ORAS is getting closer with each day passing by. Pokemon X and Y have already been out for over a year now, which gave us plenty of time to play these games, and (for example) hunting down all Friend Safari Pokemon :)
Even though I really hope the Battle Frontier will make it's appearance again in ORAS (like it was back in Emerald), but the idea of the Friend Safari returning in ORAS seems really fun and accurate for me as well. :)

I'm not sure whether the Friend Safari will return in ORAS (maybe not because it's a remake or it was not possible anymore to program this in the game), but part of me kinda hopes it will, I really had a lot of fun spending time in there! It was also a fun concept to discover your friend's safari and exclusive Pokemon you could not encounter anywhere else! ^_^

I think it may be a nice idea if the Friend Safari replaces the Hoenn Safari Zone before Lilicove City at Route 121 (only available in Emerald at the time), which you can access after the Elite Four (and National Dex) or something. :3

So, what do you guys think? Would you like to see a return of the Friend Safari in ORAS? And if so, where should it be located? :)

Sabrewulf238 October 18th, 2014 3:11 AM

It seems to me like the DexNavi and the secret soar locations will be replacing the Friend Safari. They fill a similar purpose, since you can get hidden abilities, special moves and pokemon with high potential through the DexNavi......and you can get pokemon not native to Hoenn in the secret soar locations.

Vinny Vidi Vici October 18th, 2014 3:18 AM

It's been confirmed that all the legendaries that weren't in XY will be in ORAS (except event ones of course) so I think it's fairly likely that there's an emphasis on having almost every pokemon available between just the 6th gen games. Given that, I figure there will be a something like a friend safari where a lot of non-Hoenn pokemon can also be obtainable.

I also think part of why they'd they've put so many pokemon in XY and will probably do likewise with ORAS is because of how easy it was to hack pokemon into the games gens 4 and 5, so the idea is the more pokemon that can be legitimately obtained in gen 6, the better.

ggctuk October 18th, 2014 7:26 AM

That depends on how they define 'event legendaries'. Ho-Oh and Lugia were event Legendaries in Generation 3.

RedJ October 18th, 2014 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ggctuk (Post 8473338)
That depends on how they define 'event legendaries'. Ho-Oh and Lugia were event Legendaries in Generation 3.

Ho-oh and Lugi have been confirmed to be in OR/AS, so I'm pretty sure they mean Mew/Jirachi/Deoxys/etc when they say event legendaries.

Anyway, I hope they do bring back the Friend Safari if only because of the possibility of having HA Hoenn and Johto starters in them, the latter of which aren't currently obtainable legitimately so that would be especially nice. I have a feeling it's probably not going to happen, but I can dream...

Altairis October 18th, 2014 12:49 PM

I hope they bring back Friend Safaris, and have different Pokemon options than XY within them. I can definitely see them being in the same area as the Hoenn Safari Zone, since the Friend Safaris aren't actually that big so it would be easy to cut off a little area for them.

MarcEddy October 25th, 2014 10:51 AM

It would be nice to get both. But if it's a remake, go with safari.

since chrome messed up on me and didn't get a poll heres the original poll http://strawpoll.me/2856563 forgot to put both fml

Hikamaru October 25th, 2014 10:56 AM

I think it'll likely stay the way it was in the originals, which in this case is a regular Safari Zone. Game Freak have so far been making these games look so close to the originals so it's expected that will be the case.

εcho. October 25th, 2014 3:34 PM

The friend safari was fun, but I really prefer the regular safari, so that's what I'm guessing will be present in ORAS.

pkmin3033 October 25th, 2014 11:56 PM

I'd prefer the regular safari zone - friend safari was a nice idea, but it was too random in terms of what you got from it. At least with the normal safari zone you know what you can get and where...it's just a lot harder to get it. But I'd take that over the uncertainty any day. Hopefully they'll go with the original safari since these are remakes...although I don't see why they can't include both. But then, they do like taking things out for no discernible reason between games.

Cerberus87 October 26th, 2014 2:50 AM

I hate Safari Zones.

I think ORAS will have a Safari Zone, but Safari Zones are bad, period.

I don't know if I told this in the 4th gen journal thread, but catching a male Yanma with Speed Boost and a good nature in the Great Marsh was one of my worst gaming experiences of all time. It simply won't stay in the ball, and it almost always flees in the first turn. I don't wish such torment upon even my worst enemies.

Controversy October 26th, 2014 4:30 AM

The Friend Safari was one of the worst new features introduced in X and Y.

I shouldn't have to be forced to search the Internet to find people to add just to be able to use what was a standard feature in previous generations.

Princess Diana October 26th, 2014 8:49 AM

I'd like for them to put a new twist on the Safari Zone, although they'd probably keep that for the next generation.

I just don't want another Friend Safari.

skyluigi2 October 26th, 2014 10:27 AM

The Friend Safari was interesting, but we haven't had a proper Safari Zone since... HGSS! I'd like to see the original Safari Zone return, perhaps it could have some new twists to make it more interesting (like HGSS' Safari Zone)?

YeahxGrizzly October 26th, 2014 1:05 PM

Friend Safari would be great!

Megan October 26th, 2014 2:32 PM

The normal Safari Zone, but all the Pokemon there still have at least two perfect IVs. Also Ditto should be catchable in there. They could add a couple of more areas after you've beaten the E4, kinda similar to the Safari Zone in HG/SS which allowed to catch gen 4 Pokemon after the Pokemon League.

MarinoKadame October 26th, 2014 4:30 PM

Just give us the good old safari but add the HA and at least 2 IV pokemons. The only problem would be catching them with Safari Balls using pokeblocks.

Pendraflare October 26th, 2014 5:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 8480448)
Just give us the good old safari but add the HA and at least 2 IV pokemons. The only problem would be catching them with Safari Balls using pokeblocks.

Basically this. The Friend Safari was alright and all, but there is something to be gotten out of the classic safari style gameplay.

At the same time I could get why people may not like the old safari as it was.

Hiatus October 26th, 2014 6:31 PM

Regular Safari Zone is great, and most of us are used to it, which is definitely understandable (considering how many games they have featured the place in thus far), but personally, I'm a lot more fond of Friend Safari, to be honest.

First and foremost, their new version of Safari seems to house a better range of Pokémon, and includes those which many of us might find valuable, such as Charmander, Torchic, Treecko, and so forth. Alongside, it also has us utilize our Friend Codes, making better use of them. Though, only down-side I see for this feature is, those who don't have access to wireless internet at home could possibly miss out. For them, I believe it'd be nice if they were able to find a better middle-ground, so to speak.

Ultan October 27th, 2014 6:32 AM

Unless they change what pokemon are in the original safari zone I want Friend Safari instead, if they added pokemon like the new megas (pigey, hoenn starters), and ditto (this needs to be in every pokemon game IMO) with hidden abilities + minimum 2 perfect IVs I'd be happy with the safari zone, gives you something to go through trying to get TMs and all, maybe a mega stone will be in there...

Odyssey October 27th, 2014 6:39 AM

Friend Safari. Yeah, there's not much to it besides the interesting Hidden Abilities + 2 IV mechanic, but the Safari Zone is one of the most frustrating places in any Pokémon game. With the Safari Zone, you can't battle a Pokémon and have to use rocks and bait instead. It doesn't help that you use Pokéballs at Pokémon with full health. Not only that, but the rock and bait mechanic never made sense to me, so I prefer to leave them. Plus, the Friend Safari has much more Pokémon to offer. I like having a wide range of creatures to catch.

Vinny Vidi Vici October 27th, 2014 7:25 AM

I hate old safari mechanics so I'm in favour of the Friend Safari. The whole thing with pokeblocks, going closer, throwing rocks or whatever, I can never remember what they do and what the ideal way of catching a pokemon is. The Friend Safari was a bit of a pain when it came to adding friend codes of random people over the net so you could have the best pokemon available but really if you want a HA pokemon, it's not too hard to find one over the net as people breed them all the time as trade fodder. I'll still take the Friend Safari where hundreds of pokemon are available and you can go in and catch the ones you want with little fuss as opposed to doing the whole limited steps safari ball only torture that was the old method. Like seriously, if you're playing Emerald and you want to catch a Wobbuffet, you're liable to spend 15 minutes trying to find and catch the bugger. You want one in XY? Pick the friend whose Safari has it, it shouldn't take more than 5 encounters to find one, put it to sleep, False Swipe, Dusk Ball, easy. Shouldn't be anymore than 2 minutes.

Cerberus87 October 27th, 2014 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Odyssey (Post 8480901)
Friend Safari. Yeah, there's not much to it besides the interesting Hidden Abilities + 2 IV mechanic, but the Safari Zone is one of the most frustrating places in any Pokémon game. With the Safari Zone, you can't battle a Pokémon and have to use rocks and bait instead. It doesn't help that you use Pokéballs at Pokémon with full health. Not only that, but the rock and bait mechanic never made sense to me, so I prefer to leave them. Plus, the Friend Safari has much more Pokémon to offer. I like having a wide range of creatures to catch.

The Hoenn Safari Zone is even worse, because you have to use Pokéblocks to attract Pokémon. If you don't bother with Contests and Berry Blending, you're handicapped.

Of course, they could just sell Pokéblocks like they sold Poffins in Platinum, but I'm not so sure they'd include that feature.

Kenchiin October 27th, 2014 7:50 AM

Why not both?

I'm in for it.

Sabrewulf238 October 27th, 2014 8:26 AM

They could have both.

I'd prefer if the regular Safari Zone stayed the same and they added the Friend Safari to a post game location.

It's possible the features of the DexNavi will make the Friend Safari obsolete though. (Since you can use it to get pokemon with hidden abilities etc) Being able to find non Hoenn pokemon by soaring to new islands probably doesn't help either.

Synful Kyn October 27th, 2014 12:03 PM

I like both. Regular safari has set pokemon in them but can bring that sensation of working for the catch. Friend safari made it easy to pick what safari you want, and help with breeding. I think both are good and I would like to see both in the games.

Cerberus87 October 28th, 2014 6:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Synful Kyn (Post 8481178)
I like both. Regular safari has set pokemon in them but can bring that sensation of working for the catch. Friend safari made it easy to pick what safari you want, and help with breeding. I think both are good and I would like to see both in the games.

Working? It's completely based on luck! Luck is present in all catches, but in Safari Zone even more so, because you lose elements to reduce the amount of luck, like special Pokéballs and hurting the target Pokémon.

Even GF admits that. In RBY, they said catching a Chansey in Safari Zone was "all up to chance". ^^

Zeturic October 28th, 2014 6:53 AM

It's unlikely that they'd remove the regular Safari Zone - you have access to it before the post-game in the originals, but to replace it with the Friend Safari, they'd have to block it off until after (because the Friend Safari has non-Hoenn Pokemon, and, though they don't care about trading, they've always made it so that you can't get something not in the Pokedex by yourself).

Plus, the Hoenn Safari Zone is pretty important. With some exceptions, it is mostly inhabited by Pokemon that can only be found there - there's a theory that, all of the Pokemon in it were imported, that none of them are normally native to Hoenn. Where in Hoenn would you expect to see Heracross, Pinsir, Rhyhorn, etc, other than the Safari Zone?

RedJ October 28th, 2014 1:50 PM

I'd be okay with the Safari Zone if and only if they make some additions to it. The Pokemon that you find there in the originals aren't worth catching, but if they add more to it and maybe even allow you to use the DexNav while there, that would be great. Otherwise, I'll take the Friend Safari, although with the DexNav being a thing I don't see them bringing that back- why would they when you can catch most HA Pokemon in the wild?

Brigidd October 28th, 2014 3:36 PM

Besides all the safari ball thing, I really hope it's the regular safari zone - I used to have a lot more fun trying to catch pokemon, and there were more of them, not just three... Plus, it didn't require to find people who had them to be able to catch the ones you wanted. AND it was a bigger area to explore!D:

BriCKson October 28th, 2014 6:22 PM

I loved the old Safari zones... I just think they need a few updates. I know many have said it but they need to add HA pokemon to the Safari zones and give them the 2iv mark. I would actually like to see an even bigger safari zone with a lot more pokes added. I did not care for the friend safari at all. I spent way too much time searching for someone with a ditto safari... While others who had it could have a lot easier breeding experiences.

Sheep October 28th, 2014 6:31 PM

As someone with an almost-full 3DS friends list I definitely prefer the friend safaris. Sure there are only three per but with many rare Pokemon included, boosted shiny rates, and guaranteed 2+ perfect IVs I have a hard time saying no. I value that sort of thing a bit more than a mixed safari zone full of Pokemon I already own (having completed my Pokedex).

Though I certainly wouldn't say no to both of them. :3;;

skyburial October 29th, 2014 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 8479952)
Safari Zones are bad, period.

I don't know if I told this in the 4th gen journal thread, but catching a male Yanma with Speed Boost and a good nature in the Great Marsh was one of my worst gaming experiences of all time.

This. It took me all summer to catch a Yanma. I figured out pretty quickly that the cheapest way to catch 999 Pokemon for a Mew on the Ranch was the Pastoria Great Marsh, and passed the time by making a point to catch all the super rare pokes that dwelled within.

Yanma took close to a month to catch, but the backup plan was to accept Halie's Yanma trade. I ended up doing both and evolving one into a Yanmega ^_^

Cerberus87 October 29th, 2014 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by skyburial (Post 8482455)
This. It took me all summer to catch a Yanma. I figured out pretty quickly that the cheapest way to catch 999 Pokemon for a Mew on the Ranch was the Pastoria Great Marsh, and passed the time by making a point to catch all the super rare pokes that dwelled within.

Yanma took close to a month to catch, but the backup plan was to accept Halie's Yanma trade. I ended up doing both and evolving one into a Yanmega ^_^

Really? I was so lucky then! (it took me two days I think) And I made a point to get a male one with Speed Boost.

curiousnathan October 29th, 2014 8:49 PM

I prefer the regular safari. I'm just hoping that they'll include rarer Pokemon in it at even harder rates of capture.

CrystalXShine October 31st, 2014 3:20 PM

Hm....I think they will bring the old safari back, like they have done with FR/LG and HG/SS. However, there will be changes made to make the safari zone more...fun. XD In HG/SS, we got to move around decorations and affect which Pokemon resided in the zones; a customization feature in the loosest sense of the word. It was kind of enjoyable, but I hated waiting for the decorations to take effect....>.>

I guess I would be all for a new and imporved safari zone, since we already have friend safaris in X/Y.

Hikamaru October 31st, 2014 4:23 PM

I was watching a YouTube video which compared scenes from R/S/E to OR/AS and a few months back there was that one scene from a trailer which depicted Brendan sneaking up on a Pikachu whose tail was sticking out of the grass (which was a patch of normal grass while there was some very tall grass at the top in the same scene) and I think that might be what is the Safari Zone now, given it's the only place in Hoenn where wild Pikachu are found.

There was no really tall grass there in the original games as far as I was aware of, so it appears they completely changed some of the grass patches there which I think is a first for a remake compared to its original version, because as far as I know in Johto there was no really tall grass other than the National Park and it stayed that way for HG/SS. Here is the first case of a remake actually changing the grass compared to what the original was, but we have to remember Hoenn has a lot more space now compared to the originals if the video was anything to go by.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 31st, 2014 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 8484563)
I was watching a YouTube video which compared scenes from R/S/E to OR/AS and a few months back there was that one scene from a trailer which depicted Brendan sneaking up on a Pikachu whose tail was sticking out of the grass (which was a patch of normal grass while there was some very tall grass at the top in the same scene) and I think that might be what is the Safari Zone now, given it's the only place in Hoenn where wild Pikachu are found.

There was no really tall grass there in the original games as far as I was aware of, so it appears they completely changed some of the grass patches there which I think is a first for a remake compared to its original version, because as far as I know in Johto there was no really tall grass other than the National Park and it stayed that way for HG/SS. Here is the first case of a remake actually changing the grass compared to what the original was, but we have to remember Hoenn has a lot more space now compared to the originals if the video was anything to go by.

You forgot about the grass on the route leading to Fortree? (the one closest to Mauville) That was the first tall grass in the series. Btw some spots in Johto and Kanto seem bigger in their remakes too when compared to their original layouts. So it's a remake thing to make the region bigger with the remakes xD.

Hikamaru October 31st, 2014 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 8484639)
You forgot about the grass on the route leading to Fortree? (the one closest to Mauville) That was the first tall grass in the series. Btw some spots in Johto and Kanto seem bigger in their remakes too when compared to their original layouts. So it's a remake thing to make the region bigger with the remakes xD.

Apparently that sort of tall grass appeared as early as G/S/C (although the tiles for that didn't look like it back then), but R/S/E was the first case to have it on an entire route as opposed to just one small area, but yes I see the point but the thing was I never played a Johto game until HG/SS so it was hard to compare those.

Pepperton November 2nd, 2014 8:17 AM

Both would be ideal. The safari has always been a wonderful place, and with the nature in Hoenn, it just makes too much sense to have one in there somewhere. Also, Friend Safari was an awesome addition to the games as it supports interaction and gives players an incentive to help each other out in an easy way.

Cerberus87 November 2nd, 2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 8484776)
Apparently that sort of tall grass appeared as early as G/S/C (although the tiles for that didn't look like it back then), but R/S/E was the first case to have it on an entire route as opposed to just one small area, but yes I see the point but the thing was I never played a Johto game until HG/SS so it was hard to compare those.

National Park in Johto was the first appearance of the tall grass. It gained no biking mechanics in Hoenn, though.

Although technically all grass is "tall grass", and some grass is simply taller than the other.


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