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Lord Jaws March 21st, 2005 9:09 PM

Smeargle Movesets
 
I was getting worried that LH's Unique MSs thread was going to turn into a Smeargle-fest. Thats why I made this. Smeargle has so many uses it drowns out the other unused pokemons limelight. So put your Smeargle creations here k?

Here is the list of all 'usable' Smeargles contributed so far and who contributed them, look for tips on how to use them in the other posts;

Lord_Jaws1

Smeargle @ Salac Berry
252 Speed/252 Attack/4 Def
Jolly Nature

~Spore
~Substitute
~Endeavour
~Extremespeed/Quick Attack/Mach Punch

Smeargle @ Leftovers
126 Def/126 Sp Def/252 Speed or 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
Jolly Nature

~Spore/Mean Look
~Encore
~Torment
~Substitute/Mean Look/Explosion

Lion Heart

Smeargle @

~Spore
~Calm Mind
~Baton Pass
~Acid Armour

Smeargle @

~Substitute
~Glare
~Whirlwind
~Baton Pass

Smeargle @

~Spore
~Belly Drum
~Baton Pass
~Explosion

Smeargle @

~Ingrain
~Baton Pass
~Cosmic Power
~Mean Look/Spore

Sin

Smeargle @ Scope Lens
(Sin-gle)

~Fake Out
~Extremespeed
~Spore
~Transform

MewthreeXL

Smeargle @

~Sheer Cold
~Mind Reader
~Spore
~Mean Look

Smeargle @ Salac Berry

~Dragon Dance
~Extremespeed
~Baton Pass
~Calm Mind

Kirby00

Smeargle @ Salac Berry

~Spore
~Substitute
~Belly Drum
~Flail

Smeargle @

~Spore
~Leech Seed
~Mean Look
~Nightmare

Smeargle @ Salac Berry

~Spore
~Baton Pass
~Tail Glow
~Cosmic Power

Smeargle @ Leftovers
(Kirbeargle)

~Spore
~Mean Look
~Imprison
~Transform

MetalMario

Smeargle @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Speed/4 Defence
(Shiny Hunter) (IG duh)

~Spider Web/False Swipe (I suggest FS because SW doesnt stop you being roared or WWed anyway)
~Substitute (stops Gastly from cursing)
~Odor Sleuth (makes him vulnerable to F.Swipe)
~Baton Pass (to your false swiper)

husk1442

Smeargle @ Leftovers

~Spore
~Dragon Dance
~Rock Slide/ HP Rock
~Earthquake/Baton Pass

Alexander the great v2

Smeargle @ Lum Berry

~Thunder wave
~Mean Look
~Scary face
~Baton Pass

Smeargle @ Choice Band

~Trick
~Mean Look
~Spore
~Baton Pass

Some N00b XD

Smeargle @ Choice Band

~Hyper Beam
~Frenzy Plant
~Hydro Cannon
~Blast Burn

Smeargle @ Choice Band

~Submission
~Take Down
~Double-Edge
~Volt Tackle

Omg No Weak In Any Of These ;)

Lion Heart March 21st, 2005 9:13 PM

Good idea, it was turning into a Smeargle fest.

Oh, if a mod reads this (Even though I think mods can't do jack there IS no mod here), or an admin, can you split the Smeargle sets from my Unique Movesets, and put them in here?

I think that would work out okay.

How about this: Spore/Calm Mind/Baton Pass/Acid Armour :P

Sin March 22nd, 2005 12:41 AM

Smeargle (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Imprison
- Leech Seed
- Spore
- Transform

this is the smeargle i use in conjunction with umbreon normally. imprisontrapping and leech seed rocks =D

filisek March 22nd, 2005 1:28 AM

I know that´s not so good,but it´s an idea :)
Smeargle @ Lefties
Spore
Mind Reader
Sheer Cold
Baton Pass

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 2:19 AM

Fil and Sin lol, both of you are one move away from a couple of 'standard' MSs (if Smeargle has a standard). Sins with Mean Look > Leech Seed is one, but you MLPass anyway so it doesnt matter. And Fil, whats the BP for? That one also has Mean Look > BP as standard.

Anyway I got another.

Smeargle @ Salac
Max Speed/And any combo of the Defences
-Sp Atk +Spd Nature

~Spore
~Substitute
~Endeavour
~Extremespeed/Quick Attack

Or you can replace Sub with Endure and remove all his defences. But then he is open to QAs, ESs and Mach Punchers. And Fake Outers.

MewthreeXL March 22nd, 2005 6:51 PM

SMEARGLE(Colosseum)
Sheer Cold
Mind Reader
Spore
Mean Look

Lion Heart March 22nd, 2005 7:02 PM

Unfortunately due to Smearles low defences Spore is going to be a part of most if not all sets here -_-;

It's a shame, but it is necessary isn't it? It is his only means of living to set things up -_-;

Why not something like.. Cosmic Power/Tail Glow/Swords Dance/Baton Pass?

It's just an idea :P

MewthreeXL March 22nd, 2005 7:25 PM

Instant death.Smeargle couldn't survive long enough.

kirby00 March 22nd, 2005 7:29 PM

smeargle: spore, leech seed,mean look, nightmare

Lion Heart March 22nd, 2005 7:32 PM

That's a nice one Kirby :P

MewthreeXL: The idea is to raise the defences, and if you can, try to raise an attack stat up after you're done, when they do eventually get your HP low enough, Salac activates and you BP it :P

kirby00 March 22nd, 2005 7:43 PM

spore, bp, tailglow, cosmic power @ salac

MewthreeXL March 22nd, 2005 7:55 PM

Oh,you're being creative with Smeargle's moveset.

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 8:01 PM

If that was sarcasm, I dont want it thanks. This isnt going to become a flame thread and I will PM mods till theyre sick of me if it does. Just a 'friendly' warning in advance mkay?

And to stay on topic, heres one of Kirby's original Smeargle MSs.

Smeargle @ Lefties

~Spore
~Mean Look
~Imprison
~Transform

I coined a new phrase for it Kirbs. Transprisoning.

MewthreeXL March 22nd, 2005 8:05 PM

I wasn't being sarcastic.No sarcasm on this end.

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 8:07 PM

OK then no worries :). And yes he is being creative with Smeargle's MS, thats what this thread was made for. Thats why it sounded sarcastic. Now, do you have another Smeargle to contribute?

Lion Heart March 22nd, 2005 8:07 PM

Impforming sounds heaps cooler but whatever floats your boat, I like that set, it actually works I remember trapping a Quagsire and laughing as it struggled while I HP Grassed him :P

I think that was a Swampert counter though, it was like Subpunch/HP Grass/Surf IIRC.

Or how's this: Sub/Glare/Whirlwind/Baton Pass.

Idea is to Paralyza the entire opponents team.

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 8:09 PM

Transprisoning Smeargle (which I just coined a name for too XD. Kirbeagle.) is also a wonderful surprise for the unsuspecting Ninjask.

Hey Shannon your post made this a hot thread. XD W00t!

Lion Heart March 22nd, 2005 8:17 PM

That's because I am hot.

Ninjask?

It could BP out before you could pull it off, you can't put it to sleep because of Sub, but I think they'll freak out and pass the second you use Mean Look.

How's this for T3H [email protected] P0K3M0N:

Smeargle: Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Brick Break/Rock Blast

Covers absolutely every pokemon created so far, and can just Rock Blast Ninjask, personal note though: Don't use this set, it's joke.

Or this: Tickle/Mean Look/Spore/HP Flying or Rock.

Idea is Sleep > Mean Look > Reduce their defences (I can't remember if it's Tickle or something else) then hit them with a move which no pokemon is IMMUNE to.

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 8:20 PM

Hence why I said unsuspecting Ninjask.

Ice demon March 22nd, 2005 8:37 PM

[email protected] berry
endure
spore
endevour
sesmic toss/leech seed

endure a killing blow, then spore.Endeavour the switch and use sesmic toss
Not good for the long run.Faints one,puts one to sleep and leaves the other at very low life

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Jaws1
Smeargle @ Salac
Max Speed/And any combo of the Defences
-Sp Atk +Spd Nature

~Spore
~Substitute
~Endeavour
~Extremespeed/Quick Attack

Or you can replace Sub with Endure and remove all his defences. But then he is open to QAs, ESs and Mach Punchers. And Fake Outers.

Look familiar Ice Demon?

The original one in this post has more chance of living than the modified one. Enduring is only good for stuff like Aero thats faster.

EDIT: This is my 500th post! W00t! *Does a jig*

MetalMario March 22nd, 2005 8:56 PM

A joke set:
Swagger
Psych Up
Psycho Boost
Superpower

Weird stall:
Will-o-Wisp
Detect
Protect
Safeguard

Shiny hunt (IG duh):
Spider Web
Substitute (stops Gastly from cursing)
Odor Sleuth (makes him vulnerable to F.Swipe)
Baton Pass (to your false swiper, of course)

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 9:00 PM

Hehe nice Shiny Hunter Smeargle.

MewthreeXL March 22nd, 2005 9:04 PM

Smeargle Salac Berry
Dragon Dance
Extremespeed
Baton Pass
Calm Mind

It's a versatile moveset.You can BP to a Physical or Special sweeper.I made this with Heracross in mind.It's probably been done before.

Lord Jaws March 22nd, 2005 9:07 PM

Seems original to me, but as all Smeargles without Spore, it is prone to dieing. Unfortunate but you never know.

And how would everyone feel if I made my first post a collection of all the Smeargles so far, with the appropriate contributor with their Smeargle/s under their name? Crappy 5 minute and joke sets will not be included unless they are particularly funny.

filisek March 23rd, 2005 12:40 AM

That Shiny Hunter Smeargle looks nice :))

Lion Heart March 23rd, 2005 1:48 AM

Metalmario, I'm pretty sure that Protect and Detect run off the same calculation which means it doesn't work.

Using Protect then Detect is the same as using Protect.

Just another random piece of info from me.

Lord Jaws March 23rd, 2005 1:55 AM

So do you guys want me to make a list of Smeargles at the start or what?

Lion Heart March 23rd, 2005 2:14 AM

Okay, I was GOING to do that with mine, but it'd take way to long.

Your Smeargle ones may be easier as there isn't as many posts :P

Alexander the great v2 March 23rd, 2005 4:40 AM

lol shiny hunter.

n00bie [email protected]
252 sp.att/252 spp/6 hp
modset Watevr is abilty is

~Calm Mind
~Hydro Cannon
~Blast Burn
~Frenzy Plant

:P If u think this is a awsome poke, please go and get your brain inspecded, or create a team full of them and challage me on netbattle :P

Lion Heart March 23rd, 2005 6:03 AM

Replace Calm Mind with Hyper Beam and it's all good.

Or not.

MewthreeXL March 23rd, 2005 6:34 AM

That's cruel and unusual punishment to equip Smeargle with those moves.It doesn't
get STAB from any one of those moves,except the Hyper Beam that Lion Heart
suggested,and even then it leaves it open for one turn to be knocked out.Remember
there are a lot of Focus Punchers and Brick Breakers.


Oh,that Shiny Hunter Smeargle was a nice idea.:D

Lion Heart March 23rd, 2005 6:43 AM

It was a joke set, of course you wouldn't chuck them on him.

Okay, how's THIS set:

Spore/Belly Drum/Baton Pass/EXPLOSION.

Spore > Belly Drum, if you can pass, if not BOOM.

MewthreeXL March 23rd, 2005 6:47 AM

I think I might be too serious for this thread.

Alexander the great v2 March 23rd, 2005 7:03 AM

Nothin's to serious for this thred :P U should read the comment under my joke smergle :P. Yeah, lets shove hb over cm :P It owns.


Nice set, lion heart. That land big damage.

Lion Heart March 23rd, 2005 7:06 AM

No it won't, it won't hurt anything.

His base stats are to low, he shouldn't really be attacking in my opinion :P

Alexander the great v2 March 23rd, 2005 7:10 AM

Well, BPing to Duggy would be funny. It would be unstoppoble... Think of the posiblites.... :P

Lord Jaws March 23rd, 2005 2:28 PM

Come on people. SMEARGLES!

And seeing as no-one has commented on whether they want a list at the start, I guess Ill just do it.

husk1442 March 23rd, 2005 2:47 PM

Smeargle @Lefties
~Spore
~Dragon Dance
~Rock Slide/ HP Rock
~EQ/BP

Play without sleep clause and win. Spore something slower than you. DD on the switch. Now you are faster than everything but, some electrodes and a few ninjasks.
quake for Trode and HP Rock for Jask. Once everything is asleep maul their team with a DD Mence. I'm thinking you can break trodes subs and do decent damage with HP rock so ditch EQ for BP and pass it to your sweeper who sweeps their sleeping team before they wake up.

IMO the cheapest you can get.

Lord Jaws March 23rd, 2005 2:51 PM

Nice, but not as cheap IMO, as the lock on Sheer Cold without sleep clause.

husk1442 March 23rd, 2005 2:53 PM

switching messes up that set. This set is nearly un-stoppable. Luck and other stuff screws you up.

maybe whirlwind instead of BP that way you guaranteed sleep everything even if they don't switch

Lord Jaws March 23rd, 2005 2:56 PM

Nah I like it how it is, or the optional BP route.

kirby00 March 23rd, 2005 5:09 PM

ya, but u might ww a sleeping pokemon in, and they might wake up b4 u ww since it always goes last, especially if the majority of the pokemon they have left are asleep, like 4 or 5, then u are jsut waiting for them to wake-up.... or they could just be faster, i suggest: spore, sub, sheer cold, lock-on. if they switch after spore then u will lock-on, and they will have to switch out again as u use spore, *they think u r gonna sheer cold), also sub is there for salac berry and a 1 turn sheild*

sweeper smeargle @salac: spore, sub, bdrum, flail *my original smeargle!*

Lord Jaws March 23rd, 2005 6:21 PM

Ok peeps the list is up. You will see most have Smeargle @ Nothing. This is because nothing was suggested. (duh XD) If you could, would the original contributor suggest an Item and EVs.

MetalMario March 23rd, 2005 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lion Heart
Replace Calm Mind with Hyper Beam and it's all good.

Or not.

Umm... I think Volt Tackle would be more in line with this Specialgle... XD He'll KO himself before anything else...

I like Spider Web on my Smeargle set because of his low attack. You'd have to raise him all the way to L100, and there's no way this set is clearing the E4. (maybe try the "n00b" set for that purpose! XP) If you're up against a WW/Roarer, you'd be mad to leave either of our sets in; you'd switch to Cradily/Octillery/Mime (if it's roar). Hold item is mostly irrelevant for this set, but EVs should be: 252Spd/252HP/4Def. Don't want Natu to teleport before you move, and you also want the largest possible HP in your subs.

Alexander the great v2 March 24th, 2005 12:28 AM

I have a similar smargle, Husk, but w/ ml over rock slide.

[email protected]

~Toxic
~Mean Look
~Protect
~Sub

Someone must have made something similar....

[email protected]

~T-wave
~Mean Look
~Scary face
~Bp

Possible way to slow down aero/jolt/nisjask

2 more for ya

Lord Jaws March 24th, 2005 2:51 AM

I wont add the first one coz all u did was change one move of another set, whether it was done before husks or not. But ill add the second one.

Smeargle @ Leftovers
126 Def/126 Sp Def/252 Speed or 252 Attack/252 Speed/4 HP
Jolly Nature

~Spore/Mean Look
~Encore
~Torment
~Subsitute/Mean Look/Explosion

Spore, then Sub on the likely switch and EnTorment. Switching ruins this so you might want ML in there somwhere, but doing so destroys Smeargles life or living to EnTorment. BPing a ML wouldnt hurt in the slightest. The only poke not named Alakazam that can EnTorment, an idea a bought up a while ago, confirmed by husk iirc.

Lion Heart March 24th, 2005 3:01 AM

Nice job Jason, mine would take to long, I shoulda just done that in the first place.

Lord Jaws March 24th, 2005 3:22 AM

Y thank you. :)

~Filler

Lion Heart March 24th, 2005 3:24 AM

:P

I WILL eventually get around to mine, but I don't know how I'm supposed to sort them, because I want each and every set I put up to be a copy and paste from Netbattle, with the EV's etc, I'll have to leave people out if I done that though >_<.

OR, I can just say FULL Unique Sets are included in the frst post, the ones with EV's etc (Copies from NB), and anything that's not a copy just gets left where it it is. :D

Alexander the great v2 March 24th, 2005 4:07 AM

Lol, CB smergle w/ bb/hc/fp/hp, lol.

[email protected]
252 hp/129 sp.def/def

~Mirrior Coat
~Counter
~Recover
~Sub

Does what my blastoise cant. :P. Recover to get back hp, mirrior coat/counter all over :P

[email protected]

~Trick
~Mean Look
~Spore
~BP

Get them using a crappy move(T-wave, toxic,c-ray), trap 'em, put em to sleep the bp to a sweeper :P

More to come

Lord Jaws March 24th, 2005 4:39 AM

Lol @ that first one. Im tempted to put it under jokes. Spore > Sub I reckon. At least if it manages to MC or Counter, you can Spore and regain your HP to try again. I guess Ill add the second one. :/

DragonKing March 24th, 2005 4:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husk1442
Play without sleep clause and win.

Then you might as well use BP some speed to Breloom and you have a 6-0 :P

Lord Jaws March 24th, 2005 4:46 AM

I like this thread. I feel all Moddy and such from this. ^^,

MewthreeXL March 25th, 2005 5:48 PM

Another Smeargle

SMEARGLE Item:Stick
Splash
Howl
Spider Web
Growl

The ultimate Smeargle.:D

Lion Heart March 25th, 2005 5:59 PM

Or not, that's cool.

How about something along the lines of Spore/Mean Look/Screech or something.

He may have all the moves in the game but there isn't much he can really pull off unfortunately.

MewthreeXL March 25th, 2005 6:02 PM

That was a joke set.Growling your opponent into submission is the way to go.

Lion Heart March 25th, 2005 6:20 PM

No way, Belly Drum Memento is what's in.

Instead of Spore, couldn't he be setup to disable the oppnents party?

Glare/Toxic/Baton Pass/Spore?

He'd need defense passed to him, but you could paralyze anything you can, which IMO is better then Sleep, you can Toxic anything you can't paralyze, or you could put them to sleep, then you can pass the previous defences onto another pokemon and sweep the opponents now entirely stat effected team.

Perhaps Will-O-Wisp over Toxic though.

Lord Jaws March 26th, 2005 2:02 AM

Glare gets anything not subbed so youre right in that respect. You could always take the paracon road but many others do it better. Maybe a T-Wave/Swagger or Flatter/Psych Up/BP? Very risky but rewarding if pulled off.

Alexander the great v2 March 26th, 2005 3:15 AM

I just battled some guy w/ yawn/protect/detect/dream eater..... He used yawn on my gengar, i switcted to pory2, sleep clause.... theres one for the n00bie part. :P

Lion Heart March 26th, 2005 3:28 AM

That doesn't sound like the greatest thing Smeargle can do :P

you spelt Forest wrong in your sig aswell.

DragonKing March 26th, 2005 5:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander the great v2
yawn/protect/detect/dream eater

What a waste of a slot. Protect, Detect, and Endure lose accuracy if you use two of those attacks in a row. Mean Look definitely needs to go over one of those. Also, Spore > Yawn. Even so, Smeargle has no sp atk to pull this off. Nightmare would work though. I assume this is a Smeargle you are talking about.

kirby00 March 26th, 2005 5:44 PM

spore, spikes, cosmic power, toxic/roar/recover...
lefties, 129 sp def, 129 def, 252 speed, or 252speed 252 hp, 4 def/spdef

spore, leech seed, mean look, cosmic power...---> spore them, mlook, then cosmic power up so when u kill them w/ leech seed, u can tank and do it all over again, it works if they dont switch b4 u mlook.

Lion Heart March 26th, 2005 6:07 PM

Yeah, it woulda been a Smeargle he was talking about DK.

I don't know how much more we need to tell people that Protect and Detect run off THE SAME CALCULATION.

Same with Endure, if you use those, the accuracy drops as if it is you using the same move.

Kirby, I think Smeargles defences are to low even after CPing, his stats suck, very badly, my honest opinion of Smeargle in general is "All he can do is Spore".

If he had defences passed to him though, I think he could tank with a set like Mean Look, Leech Seed, Ingrain, Toxic.

Lord Jaws March 26th, 2005 7:53 PM

Yep, as Lion Heart said, a non-Sporing Smeargle is usually a dead Smeargle.

Any more MSs?

Lion Heart March 26th, 2005 11:20 PM

Belly Drum Explosion but I think I've said that.

I don't know why we are making stall sets for him lol.

Perhaps Ingrain, Baton Pass, Cosmic Power, Mean Look or Spore?

Ingrain for permanent HP +'s, CP to boost defence, then pass.

Spore or Mean Look is up to you.

Lord Jaws March 28th, 2005 12:21 AM

OK ill add the second one, yeah the first you said already. And I see Nic did a 3 part banner for you.

Lion Heart March 28th, 2005 1:00 AM

The 2nd one was my own :P

And no, Nic didn't make it, I made this on my own.

The wonders of a Trial Version of PSP 8.

Lord Jaws March 28th, 2005 4:00 AM

Wonders indeed, its pretty nice, considering your name isnt Nic lol.

The 2nd what exactly? I said both were yours. :confused:

Alexander the great v2 March 30th, 2005 7:19 AM

I thought of a smeragle set , i forgot it tho, i fink it was mean look/belly drum/recover/baton pass. Work around a physhical sweeping team. pass to boah for some lovely damage.

husk1442 March 30th, 2005 7:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonKing
Then you might as well use BP some speed to Breloom and you have a 6-0 :P


No need to BP when smeargle can do it all himself

kirby00 March 30th, 2005 9:32 PM

spore, fenergy, bdrum, bp (u bpass chit ratio, attack, and lets say u bp to a pokemon with scope lens on and a ch move like slash... itll own!)

Lion Heart March 31st, 2005 3:55 AM

I thought Focus Energy only raised the CH rate of the next turn.

Alexander the great v2 March 31st, 2005 5:14 AM

That spoils the fun,LH!:P It says on Netbattle:'Foucus power to up the critical hit ratio' So i think Kirby made a killer smeragle :P

Lion Heart March 31st, 2005 5:23 AM

Hmm.. I just remember seeing something about it only working for the next turn, might have been something else though.

If it raises it in the same way a stat up raises a stat, then Kirby man, that is one nice Smeargle.

Alexander the great v2 March 31st, 2005 5:48 AM

Yeah, BP to something like zangoose, slash.....It would be great on any phy.sweeper, anyhows, as long as the CH ratio is high, a STABed EQ would wreck havoc upon teams

kirby00 March 31st, 2005 10:33 AM

yes and there also is a berry that does the same as fenergy. i dun think it does for juz next turn. cuz i remember trying 2 fenergy 2x with the same pokemon (not in a row), and it wont let u, so its just once, which means itll last until u switch.

smeargle: @fenergy berry here
bdrum
sub
bp
spore

husk1442 March 31st, 2005 1:59 PM

buts, that set works great with salac. F-energy berry is a little over kill

kirby00 March 31st, 2005 3:49 PM

ya but lansat is there for suprise, and its not standard, (well, not all of it =P) and alot of ppl will wonder what the berry does since hardly any1 uses fenergy anyways, so it will hard 2 defeat a pokemon's strat if ya dun know what it does. cuz like for a salac berry, u can just switch to a fast, but usually weak sweeper, but for lansat u get to bp to any good ch move learner pokemon, and it also works good w/ linoone (extreme speed the endure flailers, slash the opponent, and bdrum/sub when u get ur chance to)

Lord Jaws March 31st, 2005 7:14 PM

Ninjask can FE iirc. If you could pull it off, it would be extremely nice to BP Lansat and FE to a Critiken along with some speed. :D

kirby00 April 1st, 2005 9:38 AM

since u cant fenergy 2x, use cant get lansat and fenergy on the same pokemon (i tried it w/ smeargle holding lansat and using fenergy, but after i used fenergy, lansat didnt work). so u can however, bp 1 fenergy to a poke w/ scope lens on, and w/ a move like slash, also ninjask cannot use/learn fenergy.

Lord Jaws April 1st, 2005 4:26 PM

O well. But I still like the idea of BPing to a Critiken.

kirby00 April 2nd, 2005 5:21 PM

its still not very common, i remember bp fenergy to my (in my ch team, which i deleted cuz it wasnt so good) sceptile while holding scope lens and it using leaf blade and it wasnt even that common at all, i actually got more chs from dclaw than lblade. same w/ zangoose/linoone using slash, i actually got more chs W/O fenergy bped to them than w/.

Lord Jaws April 4th, 2005 3:06 AM

We are kinda getting off topic eh? Any more Smeargles? Id hate to think this thread is dieing, I just hope it lasts until Diamond and Pearl are released.

Lion Heart April 5th, 2005 11:54 PM

Things go off topic when people run out of ideas.

Which is what's happened here, there is only so much Smeargle can do due to his low stats.

His main purpose is Spore.

Lord Jaws April 6th, 2005 5:24 PM

Smeargle @ Stat Berry (Most likely Salac)

Spore OR Acid Armor OR Amnesia/Endure/Swords Dance OR Tail Glow/Agility

Soley for the purpose of powering up another poke. Any combo of Agility/Acid Armor/Tail Glow/Amnesia/Swords Dance/etc with Endure really.

MewthreeXL April 6th, 2005 5:30 PM

Mach Puncher comes along and OHKO's Smeargle.

Lion Heart April 6th, 2005 6:35 PM

Like Swords Dancing Breloom with a Lum Berry.

Smeargle cant Spore, Breloom Spores.

Breloom Dances a few times and Mach Punches entire team.

I'm at school, so can someone check how high Smeargles Attack actually gets, could he make any use of an Attack?

kirby00 April 7th, 2005 2:36 PM

556 with max atack evs, and 410 speed after salac with 252 evs speed, and a jolly nature (+speed nature, - sp a )

husk1442 April 7th, 2005 5:13 PM

lol 556 max attack

Mence reaches 606 with only one boost

Lion Heart April 7th, 2005 6:16 PM

I guess he is to weak to make use of learning all moves in the game.

IIRC, Arcanine gets 595 with a CB...

1 ES, and Smeargle's down.

MewthreeXL April 7th, 2005 7:35 PM

That's kind of takes the element of surprise away.Your opponent knows Arcy will ES
so they will take Smeargle out.Same with Ninjask.They switch in Sala,Arcy uses Toxic,
and they will be like "WTF?"Because its unexpected,so you got in a free Toxic.If they
switch in Meta,Arcy uses Overheat.

Lord Jaws April 17th, 2005 3:02 PM

Lol go CBFacadeSwellow, still, an ES might put a big dent in it.

kirby00 April 17th, 2005 4:29 PM

i like raticate b/c its so Uu, no1 knows it has guts. i only surprise my opponent when i battle a weezing, they w-o-w rat, i sweep even faster with (instead of 430 attack), 645 attack or so. also, raticate is stronger than ppl think: with a attack nature and max attack evs, it has nearly same attack as cb stantler. (raticate can be very fast if u give it speed nature as well) *322 max speed* still semi-high attack w/ cb.

also for smeargle: its attack is lower than sals, yes, but w/ the move flail, it makes up for that w/ 300 base damage. the strongest move salemence can have is either hp flying for attack *105* or 120 base w/ dragon claw. les than 1/2 of flail.
smeargle: flail, spore, bdrum, sub/s ball.... its actually not too bad unless u r fighting a steel/rock type/ghost type

husk1442 April 17th, 2005 4:36 PM

=P, isn't flail 210*1.5=315

but, point taken

kirby00 April 17th, 2005 4:56 PM

also offtopic a bit, focus energy/lansat berry cannot be hazed. its actually under the stats section and says under the ffect, same place as if u were confused, etc.

Lord Jaws April 17th, 2005 5:00 PM

Lol cool. Technically CH Ratio is a stat but I guess haze only covers 'main' stats. You kno, Atk, Def, Spd, etc etc. I just thought of something. Haze should make a Transformed pokemon go back to its original form hey? XD

kirby00 April 17th, 2005 5:04 PM

ya but it relies solely on boosts, i was thinking haze should affect guts too, or maybe even thick club/cband... also does lucky punch and stick work better than scope lens? (a stick that only helps farfetchd raise ch ratio, and a punching item that raises only chansey/blissey's ch ratio)

Sin April 17th, 2005 11:04 PM

i thought lucky punch only works for chansey IIRC?
anyway how bout a haxsey with lucky punch and serene grace =D

to stay on topic,flailing smeargle looks nice

Alexander the great v2 April 20th, 2005 5:24 AM

Just thought up this:

Smeargle (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Mean Look
- Encore
- Baton Pass
- Substitute


Trap, put up sub, encore surf/f-thrower/t-bolt, BP to Jolteon/Vappy/Houndoom. Need to be good at predidcting, but it COULD work.....


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